Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[PenguinPower]

I think it's a perfectly plausible scenario that IV & Enepfe are our two scum.

Don't disagree. IV is strongly advising that slot's no claim, even to go so far as to instruct the replacement not to claim pre-emptively. Not sure it's accurate at this point, but it is plausible.

[karnos]

I don't disagree it was bad. But since when does "bad play" = "major flaw" that should result in lynching?

Well, I originally said there was a potential correct town answer that I could find acceptable. With proper reasoning and explanation I could see it from town.

Which is why I was trying to hold of on commenting until Epenfe came back... but too late for that now.

[Transcend]

EnT is prob town. Would like his claim regardless.

Iv is scum.

[Transcend]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Switching while we wait to hear from new!Enefpe

I love you

Please don't be using me like toilet paper last game

[Xalxe]

enomis

replaces Enefpe no Time.

[Transcend]

Enomis you are soft claimed pr. Please hard claim now.

[Xalxe]

Vote Count 2.4

The reason we say "bless you" after someone sneezes is because we know they will die someday.

innocentvillager (2)

: Transcend, karnos

enomis (1)

: Joushi, karnos

karnos (1)

: innocentvillager

Not Voting

: ironstove, PenguinPower, enomis

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-31 08:18:23)

Enefpe no Time has 24 hours to make a game-advancing post or be replaced.

[enomis]

Hey ya. Don't have much time to read the thread now. Will prolly do it tmr night or something. But i see people asking me to claim?

Also, any Tl:Dr on the game so far?

[PenguinPower]

Hey ya. Don't have much time to read the thread now. Will prolly do it tmr night or something. But i see people asking me to claim?

Also, any Tl:Dr on the game so far?

I think you have a majority of the players asking you to hard claim at this point, with one person strongly recommending against it.

Tl;dr - Lots of arguing, bickering, bantering leading to a townie lynch and a townie NK. Now we are all eagerly awaiting to see how you respond since your slot softclaimed...which will apparently have to wait until tmr night or something.

[enomis]

I am not hard-claiming until i am at L1 and someone intent to hammer. Here's why

Case 1:
I am vanilla townie. Me claiming now would not give any additional info.

Case 2:
I am PR and i have not made any significant check that i think will give town additional info. I also did not , jail keep , save anyone or shot by anyone who were significant last night since two town were killed.

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Also, i think enefpe action of soft-claiming PR actually pushes him more towards town than mafia,(If i look at it objectively and i will explain that in the next post.)

[enomis]

I will look at enfpe objectively in this post(from a 3rd person POV)

Firstly, he looked frustrated when he says something like "i am fucking pr, fuck off". I don't think newb scum would do this.

Now let's look at three cases.

Case 1: He is vanilla Town
Maybe the whole thing was a reaction testing farce? Maybe he became so frustrated that the person he thinks is so mafia isn't gonna be lynched/nobody supporting him so he decided to soft fake-claim to try to push his vote through. There are a lot of possibilities on this.

Case 2:He is PR
According to him, we are in setup C. But there is no way of determining whether we are in setup C or not. Thus i think the most likely conclusion is that he misunderstood the table. Objectively, when looking at the table, i think the easiest way it is misunderstood is that there are only 3 Setup and not 9 in total. So in this case, he is either doctor or tracker and thought we were in setup C.

Case 3: He is scum
So, since he said we are in setup C, this means that he thinks that there are only 3 Setup. A,B or C. He knows whether there is a roleblocker or not. So him claiming Setup C means he knows that there is no role blocker. If not, it would be pretty to dumb claim Setup-C and get counter-claimed immediately by a 1-shot bulletproof townie for example.

So, he thinks we are in setup b or c.
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Actually i realized i am thinking in the wrong direction. But i think what i wrote above stills hold true. zzzz, i think i will go to sleep now(sleep-deprived) as it's 4am here and i think i am abit illogical this late at nite.

[enomis]

Anyway, i can safely say if i am a 3rd person looking at enfpe, I can 95% clear him as town when looking at his iso. So go iso him carefully.

That's all good night. I will read the thread indepth tmr and give reads.

Sorry that you all had to listen to my ramblings.

[Joushi]

Hey wow Enomis this is weird. That's the exact same tag a friend of mine uses, but you are very obviously not that person. Is it a reference to something? Because they just used random letters until they liked the way it sounded

Actual game related stuff now:

I really disagree with the way you are presenting your cases as though they all have equal probabilities. With such a vested interest in the outcome, an objective perspective is an ideal at best.

Firstly, he looked frustrated when he says something like "i am fucking pr, fuck off". I don't think newb scum would do this.

Whatever else you think about him, it's pretty clear he isn't new. This might be the first time he's played on this site perhaps, but not new.

Spoiler: Case 1: He is vanilla Town

Maybe the whole thing was a reaction testing farce? Maybe he became so frustrated that the person he thinks is so mafia isn't gonna be lynched/nobody supporting him so he decided to soft fake-claim to try to push his vote through. There are a lot of possibilities on this.

Alright after reading this in conjunction with the others, the tone of this implies that you are 100% not VT. The tone is so speculative relative to the others and the idea behind it fairly weak that in this game this case is completely thrown out.

Spoiler: Case 2:He is PR

According to him, we are in setup C. But there is no way of determining whether we are in setup C or not. Thus i think the most likely conclusion is that he misunderstood the table. Objectively, when looking at the table, i think the easiest way it is misunderstood is that there are only 3 Setup and not 9 in total. So in this case, he is either doctor or tracker and thought we were in setup C.

Only six setups btw. Assuming he is actually PR this argument makes sense to me. That said, he is clearly not new. Stove's questions and theory about the setup definitely show new thought processes. I don't know experienced players who just go in to a set up so blindly (closed set ups notwithstanding)

Spoiler: Case 3: He is scum

So, since he said we are in setup C, this means that he thinks that there are only 3 Setup. A,B or C. He knows whether there is a roleblocker or not. So him claiming Setup C means he knows that there is no role blocker. If not, it would be pretty to dumb claim Setup-C and get counter-claimed immediately by a 1-shot bulletproof townie for example.

As scum, claiming a setup isn't actually that risky, because if you're not actually PR it requires not just one, but two counterclaims (unless there's a JK). If I was Cop or BP, I'm not going to show scum where I am by telling a supposed town member he's wrong about the setup because the only way I could know that would be being a PR. My identity as PR is not worth correcting him. In turn that means that the only way he would be meaningfully counterclaimed as scum is if BOTH PRs are dumb enough to show scum who they are. Sure you might get lynched, but your partner now knows both people to NK.

I am not hard-claiming until i am at L1 and someone intent to hammer.

You heard him boys!

If Enefpe was actually VT he's an idiot. I'm not gonna directly insult him but he at least understands theory.

Spoiler: Case 2:

I am PR and i have not made any significant check that i think will give town additional info. I also did not , jail keep , save anyone or shot by anyone who were significant last night since two town were killed.

You're keeping options open as scum and playing to your outs. As long as you don't claim you can't claim wrong and get countered, and as long as you aren't countered the people who believe you at face value will never vote for you.

[enomis]

So you are claiming enfp knew that there was 6 setup but pretended that there was only 3 setup?

How u worded that last para also gives me scummy vibes.

I agree that I may not been very logical ytd as I was awake at 4am and just type whatever came to mind and did not bother to vet.
But I believe what I wrote still checks out.

Your whole argument of what I wrote being shit is because you think he is pretending to know only 3 setup.

[enomis]

Also tell me, how does me claiming help town besides me keeping my 'fake claim' option open.

[Transcend]

K well i think your replacement was town. Let's just oust iv.

[enomis]

How is he scummy. I haven't read the thread.

[PenguinPower]

How is he scummy. I haven't read the thread.

You're going to have to read, then. Transcend doesn't explain.

[Transcend]

Inconsistent reads. Mood swings. Complaining about not being town read. Wahhing and appealing to everyone when he is scum read by them. Etc.

[Transcend]

Nah i explain, just not to the point where i sound like a broken record player lol.

[Joushi]

So you are claiming enfp knew that there was 6 setup but pretended that there was only 3 setup?

What? No. I'm saying that the only way your argument makes sense is to assume he is new when he obviously isn't.

Your whole argument of what I wrote being shit is because you think he is pretending to know only 3 setup.

No YOU made the argument that he thinks/thought there are only 3 setups, I'm saying that that argument is bogus.

Also tell me, how does me claiming help town besides me keeping my 'fake claim' option open.

I'm not sure I understand the last half of that sentence, but right now people can either choose to believe the claim or not because it is impossible to verify and very difficult to disprove without outing other PRs. I don't believe the claim because the only way we can even begin to disprove it is if both of the real PRs are dumb and paint themselves as targets.

[enomis]

I realised I haven't reply you about my username. It has been my ign throughout a lot of game for a very long time now. I think about 8 years. And yeah, my username was randomly formed at the start. But I later realised that there is a movie called Simone. And in the movie, they show the word simone in the mirror and it turned out to be enomis. Maybe that's where ur fren username come from.

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So do you think he knows only 3 setup or not.
From my pov, that is the only way where he claims that we are in setup c or he is just trolling or trying to force a lynch. I think the first option is lost plausible because either remember I have thought that there were only 3 setup before too in the past, so I could totally see that happening.

And also, my case on vt is not fleshed out because I don't noe why he would do that other than gambling play. Let's say if you are vt and you are in my shoes, can you find a good case for him to do what he did???
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I am sorry if my argument is a little jumpy and hard to read

[enomis]

I will get to reading tonite but It does help me in Reading if I know where to focus. But what transcend listed, in my pov, is not really necessary scum traits

[innocentvillager]

Inconsistent reads. Mood swings. Complaining about not being town read. Wahhing and appealing to everyone when he is scum read by them. Etc.

Literally refuted all of this horrible and shitty points but okay

[innocentvillager]

Now do you guys see why EnT is town

Fuck off of Enomis plz