Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why is it bull? I literally don't RVS vote and this can be fact checked. If you're expecting some grandiose reason for a vote based on pre-game then I'm not sure what to tell you.

EBWOP.

[Io]

It's bull that you're saying the first 4 posts I make a forced without explaining how they are forced or in what way.
You can't prove it, otherwise you would have already done that since the 4 posts are small and it should be easy to show how they are forced.

In 586 you laid out your justification for your suspicion of me like so "I was suspicious of her, found Chickadee's posting more suspicious and then I voted her, and then I had a lengthy conversation with Io which left me thinking that Io is scum."
This suspicion is based on those 4 posts that you are now saying are forced as of post 593. (They can only be based on those 4 posts because that's the only point that the order of events makes sense for your justification as you said you were suspicious of me before voting CHick and you've been voting me since the start of the day and as I've explained that suspicion can only be based on the 4 pregame posts I made.)

So as of now you're trying to force a justification for your suspicions you had in 39. And it's obviously being forced because you're not able to back up your own justification that are looking like a flimsy attempt to justify an early baseless vote otherwise you can come up with any form of evidence.

[Io]

Basically you're trying to force a justification for why I'm scum, and failing to do so because you can't actually come up with evidence for your justification, and you're attempts to do so without even attempting to reason or even interact with me as you've said before is a clear indicator you're scum. Town simply do not go into this intense of a death tunnel without listening to anything their opposition says and scrambling to make flismy justifications.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I found your 19 and 30 forced. The natural humor seemed severely lacking in both and and they didn't seem sincere. 30 also feels like you didn't want any backlash for making a joke about the mod which is odd to me since your little jab is hardly if at all offensive in a way that could get you forced replaced.

And let me be more clear. I was explaining that I was suspicious of you and voted for you before finding Chickadee more suspicious and admitting that I'm wrong about the feelings I had about you from earlier in the game. Shortly after I voted for her, you made you accusation, we then discussed it, and I was left walking away thinking that you are scum. It was from this conversation and this conversation alone that I think you're scum. I did think about the earlier feelings I had put the rest at some point after this but they are not right why I think you're scum at this moment.

I'm not trying to justify anything. Town don't simply make an accusation that they cannot back up and then double down on it after failing to prove what they're accusing someone of.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I found your 19 and 30 forced. The natural humor seemed severely lacking in both and and they didn't seem sincere. 30 also feels like you didn't want any backlash for making a joke about the mod which is odd to me since your little jab is hardly if at all offensive in a way that could get you forced replaced.

And let me be more clear. I was explaining that I was suspicious of you and voted for you before finding Chickadee more suspicious and admitting that I'm wrong about the feelings I had about you from earlier in the game. Shortly after I voted for her, you made you accusation, we then discussed it, and I was left walking away thinking that you are scum. It was from this conversation and this conversation alone that I think you're scum. I did think about the earlier feelings I had put the rest at some point after this but they are not why I think you're scum at this moment.

I'm not trying to justify anything. Town don't simply make an accusation that they cannot back up and then double down on it after failing to prove what they're accusing someone of.

EBWOP.

[Io]

Thank you, I just wanted you to provide some quotes.
In all honesty there is actually no defense to a "this was forced" argument other than "no it's not" which is rather self evident.
I also found 19 quite funny and clever. I liked it.
The apology in 30 was pretty much just something I tacked on because when I read back over it in the preview I was concerned it would be a bit too harsh of a joke as it was clear the reason the day wasn't starting was due to the mod having something IRL or a scheduled that was just slow to this game, and I'm just cautious about jokes that could potentially relate to IRL things and I just didn't want Delta to think that I was calling him a bad mod for not being super active.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You know, it's funny you bring up the deadline thing. If I think you're scum in this setup, I'm going to also want the mod to stop pausing the deadline in order to prevent your partners from finding ways to get the town to not lynch you.

[Io]

You know, it's funny you bring up the deadline thing. If I think you're scum in this setup, I'm going to also want the mod to stop pausing the deadline in order to prevent your partners from finding ways to get the town to not lynch you.

I suppose that's fair...If there wasn't 10 townies who could reasonably drown out 2 Mafia voices.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well if half of the game wasn't inactive

[Io]

Well if half of the game wasn't inactive

Also true. There's barely enough active people to make up a 7 man wagon.
I think it's just the constant people being replaced. Hince why the day is paused because there's currently 2 people who are being replaced and we just had like 2 or 3 replacements join.

[DeltaW]

@Mod: Just pause the game overnight. You're running it by pausing it this way.

If I lock the thread then I'm blocking someone from posting while their comment is still relevant, also, this is what every other mod I've seen has done so I'm not going to do it differently.

[MarioManiac4]

HI GUYS I SHOULD START PLAYING THIS GAME.

[MarioManiac4]

My experience leads me to believe that town would've consolidated on Io already.

So I'm scum for not having already been lynched.
OK.

well, you're not wrong. scumbuddies could be holding out and stagnating the lynch.

im actually up for lynching this

[MarioManiac4]

My deal that I offered, what's the scum motivation behind it under than buying me another night? Scum really can't afford to lose any members in this setup so me just trying to live for one night is pretty pointless unless you think I'm amazing at playing scum and some sort of mastermind who's going to lay out a plan to victory for my partners during the night phase. Listen, town will hold me to my word if they think I'm scum and lynch me, especially if I go back on it.

am also up for lynching this

[Donempire]

Hows the IO lynch going?

Oh. I see.

[Kop]

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Right now, I believe this the only wagon I can join. Re-reading his ISO, I can't get a feel that tells me that he is town. Fence sitting, defending other slots with a slight confidence that he knows, and trying to look actively busy. He hasn't changed his vote on Io which would tell me that he is tunnelling but he really isn't. The whole if I'm wrong lynch me tomorrow is another point I don't like, it's appealing with a bargaining chip and a tool I wouldn't like to use to force through a lynch on someone because he can't get the traction that he wants.

Where have I been fencesitting? I've been voting my strongest scum read since the beginning of the middle of this day.

I defend slots I'm either not considering for a day or that I town read. Confidence isn't AI, it's personality trait.

How have I been trying to look busy?

As for my offer, that's how I play. I like to prove people wrong and learn why I didn't if I fail to do so. I will have no qualms with getting lynched tomorrow if everyone votes Io today and she flips town. If I try to go back on my word, which I wouldn't do but if I did, speed lynch me like no tomorrow.

Yes you have been voting for what you say is your strongest scum read since the middle of the day, but I haven't seen a great deal from you countering her points, even talking to her, other than offering what you think is strong confidence that she is scum. And trading a deal if your wrong.

Your defence isn't based fully within this game, your using meta, and backing it up with links to games. I'm not going to judge someone 100% to what they could possibly be based on what they did on previous games. I understand the meta trait that is commonly used, but I play within the games we are playing in, not previous.

Can you tell me the main reasons why your scum reading her, in your own words, because the only suspecting from you towards her, in my eyes was on a misunderstanding. Maybe she could be scum based on her reactions, but then it could be from misguided town. But I want to see your full case on her from your POV.

Why do you need for me to interact in any sort of serious manner with someone who I think is scum? Scum aren't going to literally claim scum and outright surrender. I was suspicious of her, found Chickadee's posting more suspicious and then I voted her, and then I had a lengthy conversation with Io which left me thinking that Io is scum. I don't see what follow up is needed.

My deal that I offered, what's the scum motivation behind it under than buying me another night? Scum really can't afford to lose any members in this setup so me just trying to live for one night is pretty pointless unless you think I'm amazing at playing scum and some sort of mastermind who's going to lay out a plan to victory for my partners during the night phase. Listen, town will hold me to my word if they think I'm scum and lynch me, especially if I go back on it.

What you view as I misunderstanding I do not, reread the interactions again and try to see how I only see it coming from scum.

The whole interaction thing is you get a better understanding of the person, and actually see the mountains through the trees. I just felt that the whole misunderstanding was the only time you actually contributed towards her, and the rest you spent defending others, and just not creating a great deal to actually putting information into the thread that could help us find out who scum are, that's why I accused you of fence sitting because you'd rather defend slots whilst tunnelling Io.

Your basing a lynch around Io, without drawing up any scenario in order for us to actually figuring this game out beyond Io.

As for the deal, scum motivation is, pretty non existent, I've seen it from both alignments. Yes you may be a man of your word and not go back on it, but this could easily be interpreted as scum pushing a lynch on town but then taking out the next best thing over night, that would actually call you out on that. I'm not saying that you'd go down that route of actually not backing your deal up, but I've seen scum offer the deal then take out the loudest speaker in the thread that would call him out on his deal, and go back on his his offer of the deal and played it down, because town got blinded by the nights events. It's not the same thing, but it's slightly similar to leashing caught scum, I'd rather not do a deal with the devil.

I will go back and re-read the back and forth between you and Io.

[Kop]

I have over read it again, and all I can see is someone taking your post out of context, it's NAI to me personally. I'm not seeing what your seeing enough for Io to be scum by questioning you.

[Steel]

Why would a2 replace when she read up, had reads with some apparent conviction and was invested in the game?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why would a2 replace when she read up, had reads with some apparent conviction and was invested in the game?

My exact thoughts.

I don't know Alisae personally but I know him well enough to know that the only reason he would replace out here is due to high levels of toxicity. I'm willing to bet my account that isn't the reason as me and him have been game 100 times more toxic than this one.

[Steel]

I think a post got deleted or something, all the early post references are off by 1.

[Steel]

Chickadee, QuantumRadius, Kawso?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: QuantumRadius
sheep me to freelo

[Io]

VOTE: QuantumRadius
sheep me to freelo

No

I may have a scum read on them, but it's not my strongest and I'm more confident that either LUV or Empire flips scum than trying to go after someone who may be scum or doing suboptimal town play.

[MarioManiac4]

how could you ;-;

[Steel]

Kawso partners tell with chikadee in rvs and both of them unvote quantumradius and stop mentioning him again it seems.

What made that quantumradius wagon start and stop again in summary? I'll read what I can but I may miss some context.