Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[Blackjacks]

Nibbui and ceejay are probably town

What are you seeing "probably town" in ceejay?

226 was towny coming from ceejay. I feel like scum ceejay is more opportunistic in terms of hopping on wagons, and he’d find flimsy reasons to scumread someone

More generally speaking, he lurks as both alignments but he feels more engaged here

[Blackjacks]

I can just left left head take over and do a de facto replace out though if this thread is just going to let RC manipulate them and let him get away with obnoxious AtE. While my response to him reads poorly, his "I will lynch you regardless of alignment" comment was completely uncalled for. I don't like him using the threat of gamethrowing as a way of bullying me into not pressuring him.

-RH

Is RH no longer playing this game?

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.8

Gamma Emerald (1):

Keyser Söze 100

THE MEME MEN (3):

Volxen 105, Aster 297, Gamma Emerald 311

Nibbui (1):

pinturicchio 142

Volxen (2):

Blackjacks 238, THE MEME MEN 384

Firebringer (1):

Clemency 394

Springtrap (2):

Firebringer 442, Nibbui 470

Not voting (3):

ceejayvinoya, RadiantCowbells, Springtrap

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-09 14:42:59).

[Keyser Söze]

Catching up with the thread I think I may have miss-read your soft/victim/vulnerable vibe

Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all.

Really?

Sensitive overreaction/sensitive:

"Nice double standard jackass"
"it just upsets me."
"What a welcoming bunch."

Self-focus softness:

"What do you expect from me?"
"Pretty sure I put significant effort in during the Tit For Tat we were in"
"Eh? What’s this about? What’s the relationship between me and that gif to you?"
"I very much dislike the case on me, but all I’ve been able to pick out for why comes back to OMGUS."
"Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all."

( )

Why be on the defensive foot?:

"Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts."
"Does no one want to engage me even when I provide a general reason to?"
"Thought more people would poke me for admitting to being OMGUSy."

I presume this one was not serious though (?):

Are you gonna seriously just stonewall me when I’m trying to have a real discussion

[Keyser Söze]

3) i think you guys underestimate just how scummy it is that she decided volxen was scum before he posted and stuck with the read after

This aroused my scumdar at the time too...

I think the strength/intensity of the read did not reflect the amount of 'supporting' evidence.

[Gamma Emerald]

Catching up with the thread I think I may have miss-read your soft/victim/vulnerable vibe

Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all.

Really?

Sensitive overreaction/sensitive:

"Nice double standard jackass"
"it just upsets me."
"What a welcoming bunch."

Self-focus softness:

"What do you expect from me?"
"Pretty sure I put significant effort in during the Tit For Tat we were in"
"Eh? What’s this about? What’s the relationship between me and that gif to you?"
"I very much dislike the case on me, but all I’ve been able to pick out for why comes back to OMGUS."
"Explain when and why you got that vibe? I don’t feel like I’ve been playing that way at all."

( )

Why be on the defensive foot?:

"Also I would expect to be catching more attention for one of my recent posts."
"Does no one want to engage me even when I provide a general reason to?"
"Thought more people would poke me for admitting to being OMGUSy."

I presume this one was not serious though (?):

Are you gonna seriously just stonewall me when I’m trying to have a real discussion

Some of these just don't make sense. How is me saying I thought something I said would provoke people be defensive? I'm also gonna need an explanation for self-focus softness, because that doesn't really mean anything yet, it's just gibberish. And what? You think my post where I said I was trying to have real discussion was NOT serious? This reads extreeeeeemely fake and crammed into a narrative but I get the feeling this is from ignorance, not malice.

[Keyser Söze]

Take a step back and calm down.

"You think my post where I said I was trying to have real discussion was NOT serious?"

I'm reading your ISO, and this post was just after your "1This argument proudly sponsored by ASSLUST." post. I may have just miss-read your tone here. I missed the part where BJ called you cringey. (i'm still in catchup mode).


RE:

"self-focus softness"

You cannot disagree that you have been overly-focused on yourself this game. Yes, I asked you to look at your meta, but outside this, you have been talking about yourself a lot.

I am trying to understand your self-consciousness

. Do not call it "gibberish". If you are not willing to understand my opinion, why ask me to explain it?

[volxen]

I also think volxen is sus. I love his town games. His play here is boring so far

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=31772

example of town volxen replacing in on a game. kindly compare it with what happened here so far

I feel like your almost BOPing me or something. And in Newbie 1889, where I was town and you were scum, you made the same argument against me. You linked to one of my previous town games, claimed I wasn't as towny as I was in the previous game, and accused me of being scum over it. Interesting that you are doing the exact same thing again here this game.

I still think Meme is suspicious because of the whole "be cautious with voting because all four scum might pile on the wagon" at the very beginning of the game. And for now, I have scumleans on Blackjack and Ceejay because both of them seem eager to scumpaint me merely based on how frequently I am posting in this game.

[Blackjacks]

And for now, I have scumleans on Blackjack and Ceejay because both of them seem eager to scumpaint me merely based on how frequently I am posting in this game.

do you think this

isn't

scum-indicative for you?

[Blackjacks]

-r

[Gamma Emerald]

Take a step back and calm down.

"You think my post where I said I was trying to have real discussion was NOT serious?"

I'm reading your ISO, and this post was just after your "1This argument proudly sponsored by ASSLUST." post. I may have just miss-read your tone here. I missed the part where BJ called you cringey. (i'm still in catchup mode).


RE:

"self-focus softness"

You cannot disagree that you have been overly-focused on yourself this game. Yes, I asked you to look at your meta, but outside this, you have been talking about yourself a lot.

I am trying to understand your self-consciousness

. Do not call it "gibberish". If you are not willing to understand my opinion, why ask me to explain it?

The ASSLUST thing was a reference to Ectomancer's signature. That was a funny aside in an otherwise serous comment.
As for the "self-focus softness", why not just call it self-consciousness? The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense that was different from what you were saying. As for the actual question, I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others. Others do it too with undefined (because I haven't gotten an answer from them or checked myself) success rates, but generally I find the results unimpressive when it comes to getting townread. However, I think it's fair at actually getting reads. And honestly, getting scumread might be better than getting townread in a perverse way as town for this specific setup.

[Keyser Söze]

The ASSLUST thing was a reference to Ectomancer's signature. That was a funny aside in an otherwise serous comment.
As for the "self-focus softness", why not just call it self-consciousness? The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense that was different from what you were saying. As for the actual question, I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others. Others do it too with undefined (because I haven't gotten an answer from them or checked myself) success rates, but generally I find the results unimpressive when it comes to getting townread. However, I think it's fair at actually getting reads. And honestly, getting scumread might be better than getting townread in a perverse way as town for this specific setup.

"The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense"

- I use adjectives to best describe/encapsulate my fear/paranoia.

"I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others"

- ok, I can buy that. I sometimes do that myself

[RadiantCowbells]

Itt blackjacks tries to convince their top scumread that they are town

[Gamma Emerald]

The ASSLUST thing was a reference to Ectomancer's signature. That was a funny aside in an otherwise serous comment.
As for the "self-focus softness", why not just call it self-consciousness? The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense that was different from what you were saying. As for the actual question, I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others. Others do it too with undefined (because I haven't gotten an answer from them or checked myself) success rates, but generally I find the results unimpressive when it comes to getting townread. However, I think it's fair at actually getting reads. And honestly, getting scumread might be better than getting townread in a perverse way as town for this specific setup.

"The way you phrased it sounded like some nonsense"

- I use adjectives to best describe/encapsulate my fear/paranoia.

"I sometimes try to use interactions with myself to read others"

- ok, I can buy that. I sometimes do that myself

Second point: got it
first point: Okay. It just ended up as Purple Prose that time.

[RadiantCowbells]

Volxen I really need you to play this game.

I can't keep you alive if you're going to ignore the game

[RadiantCowbells]

Do it for me <3

[Firebringer]

Am I universally townread yet?

[RadiantCowbells]

Volxen town
Aster town
RC town
CJ town

Pinturichio probtown

Gamma ? maybe like 1-2 % points more likely town
Firebringer ?

Who is left

[Firebringer]

Yes please. Engage 'drama llama'.

No u

[RadiantCowbells]

Nibbul probtown as well

Starting to think it's likely that meme men is scum w/ blackjack and had that fit in defense of them

[Firebringer]

Volxen town
Aster town
RC town
CJ town

Pinturichio probtown

Gamma ? maybe like 1-2 % points more likely town
Firebringer ?

Who is left

U can keep me as scum if ur still not satisfied with my townieness
We here at Firebringer Co really value ur business and want you completely satisfied

[Keyser Söze]

I have a recentLY completed game with Volxen (where he was scum) and a current ongoing game with him... so this is all very interesting.

(WATCH THIS SPACE)

[RadiantCowbells]

Wincon is either 6 conftown or
5 conftown with 1 correct scumread

I think scum shooting each other is actually a surprisingly terrible idea

[Keyser Söze]

Am I universally townread yet?

No.

Volxen town
Aster town
RC town
CJ town

Pinturichio probtown

Gamma ? maybe like 1-2 % points more likely town
Firebringer ?

Who is left

No lean on me?

[Firebringer]

No.

I think I am though