Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Extrapolated Eagle]

there isn't really resistance to like anything here

really because I'm reading it the opposite

i said wrong
srry

there is equal resistance to everything

[Extrapolated Eagle]

can we hammer liger and move on w/ our lives

[Extrapolated Eagle]

we can get to buj/xtoxm tomorrow

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i claim lyncher
my lynch target is liger

if you help me lynch my target i'll work w/ town for the rest of the game

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i claim lyncher
my lynch target is liger

if you help me lynch my target i'll work w/ town for the rest of the game

This game doesn't have lyncher...
"Lynch All Liars" is a phrase I've seen somewhere when I read things before.

that's true
it's called a policy lynchj
another policy lynch is lynch all lurkers
gamma is a lurker

let's lynch

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i claim lyncher
my lynch target is liger

if you help me lynch my target i'll work w/ town for the rest of the game

i claim reverse lyncher

my never lynch target is liger

don't lynch him and ill win the game for town

that role is always aligned w/ scum

you just scum claimed

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i'll hammer buj if everyone votes liger right now

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Liger’s not scum

you've playued w/ liger before

[Extrapolated Eagle]

you've played w/ liger before question mark

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i'm not hammering cuz very specific reasons that i'lll reveal tomorrow

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Eagle, you complained about fence sitting earlier and now you are fence sitting. End it or admit you are fine with fence sitting.

i have been fence sittign
i said that i've been fence sitting
now i'm happy lynching liger
i'll even lynch xtoxm
i'm even happy w/ a buj lynch
but i want someone else to hammer

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Is it not possible to have a strong read on people without having to play with them?

Because if that's the case my reads have zero credibility.

it's quite possible

please tell me something towny that liger has done today

[Extrapolated Eagle]

VOTE: EE

well now i can't hammer

lol i don't wanna vote him cuz i wanna see who's willing to lynch him

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i wanna count names on that wagon

[Extrapolated Eagle]

the number of people voting him that arent' me is equal to the number of people i have a better ability to sort otmorrow

[Extrapolated Eagle]

gimme a sec lemme see who's on the wagon

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Is it not possible to have a strong read on people without having to play with them?

Because if that's the case my reads have zero credibility.

it's quite possible

please tell me something towny that liger has done today

Oh I was asking about it in general.
Specifically you asking him with "have you played with him before" rather than "ok why?"

because i've already asked "ok why" and haven't gotten an answer that i liked
and i'm not expecting a whole lot from mcqueen who i'm not even certain has read the entire day

[Extrapolated Eagle]

especially because liger has been here a larger portion of the time when mcqueen wasn't, i think

[Extrapolated Eagle]

liger's play right now reminds me a bit of my scum game

[Extrapolated Eagle]

max's, too, but much much less so

[Extrapolated Eagle]

like actively aggressive and antagonistic, doing everything to NOT sound survivalistic cuz that way peopel are more likely to townread you without you having to actually put any effort in

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Fair.
I've been getting slightly annoyed by all the past games talk that I have no clue of nor want to read.

i get it

my point is that people are townreading him for the same reason people townread me when i was scum

and i don't like that
i don't want him shirking by on nothing

[Extrapolated Eagle]

like actively aggressive and antagonistic, doing everything to NOT sound survivalistic cuz that way peopel are more likely to townread you without you having to actually put any effort in

I dont think im being aggressive or antagonist like at all

you remind me of my scum game cuz the thing i do is vote and push one of the towniest players in the game

which you did
to rei :/

like actively aggressive and antagonistic, doing everything to NOT sound survivalistic cuz that way peopel are more likely to townread you without you having to actually put any effort in

You just described yourself.

only towards you

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Enter’s actually prolonging this and the more he does the scummier he looks tbh

you haven't even been here what are you complaining about lol

[Extrapolated Eagle]

actually

i'm not actively aggressive and antagonistic this game

i'm reactively aggressive

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

[Extrapolated Eagle]

you remind me of my scum game cuz the thing i do is vote and push one of the towniest players in the game

which you did
to rei :/

Uh
I voted Rei on replace in when you ASKED me to vote w my gut
I hadnt read yet
Rei obvtowned after that and i unvoted
and now ive read more
This is a bad take
Like im certain its extremely obvious i had no read at the time i made my opening posts

right

which
is why i'm not pushing you right now

i'm just saying
taht's what thought happened in my head

[Extrapolated Eagle]

actually

i'm not actively aggressive and antagonistic this game

i'm reactively aggressive

No you are aggressive and antagonistic at multiple points. I would bring up posts but this is a waste of energy argument.

do bring up me
being actively aggressive and antagonistic
please
i'm curious

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

Was talking to rei but ok.

U act like ur not lynchable

i'm not

if i wanted to avoid getting lynched
i'd hammer buij right now

and die tonight

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

Was talking to rei but ok.

U act like ur not lynchable

Is it funny he is acting the same way as he described his own scum game? I don't know.

if you're gonna bring this up

please point out where i'm doing this

[Extrapolated Eagle]

right

which
is why i'm not pushing you right now

i'm just saying
taht's what thought happened in my head

Ok then im confused abt what u were saying to begin with
Like were you explaining your at the time scumread or ur current read

you're null

stop stressing

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i really wanna have this discussion w/ liger
cuz i wanna see me being actively antagonistic and aggressive

[Extrapolated Eagle]

actually

i'm not actively aggressive and antagonistic this game

i'm reactively aggressive

No you are aggressive and antagonistic at multiple points. I would bring up posts but this is a waste of energy argument.

do bring up me
being actively aggressive and antagonistic
please
i'm curious

Well this post is a passive aggressive one for starters. And like I said, I am not going to go through your posts to show you each and every post because whats the point. I just wanted to correct the narrative you are making or self delusion you have.

no

this post isn't passive aggressive

and that's not actively aggressive

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i meant exactly what i said in that post

and i didn't say i was passive aggressive as scum

i said i was actively aggressive and antagonistic

to be more specific it's usually towards peopel who scumread me/people i'm afraid of scumreading me

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

this is a flip from saying i'm playing to my scum game

please seriously

just bring up one post of me being aggressive and antagonistic towards another player

[Extrapolated Eagle]

see rapier upick - mbaki

mini 2059 - urap

BoP - the worst

[Extrapolated Eagle]

if buj flips town
i'm pushing in (mcqueen/liger/xtoxm) pool tomorrow, i think
buj flips scum i think we just lynch max

VOTE: buj

[Extrapolated Eagle]

lol

whatever
we'll talk about it later

do definitely wanna see what you think is me describing my scum game

[Extrapolated Eagle]

cuz i guarantee i'm not playing what i'm describing

there is no one in this game that i'm trying to keep off my back
there is no one in this game that i'm trying to keep from reading me

so there's no use for me to be actively aggressive/antagonistic towards any one player

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

Hes not. He knows he’s being annoying by dragging this out and all he has to do is “say i wanna discuss before lynching” like he did with you to blow off suspicion. Except u can tell its not genuine

Hes scum

blow off suspicion

lol
what suspicion do you think there was on me

p sure most people agreed i was town

i just wanna read the fucking votes

have you read the game, mate?

why are you so salty?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

you're starting to get under my skin and i don't like it mcqueen

u shouldn't be so complain-y when you haven't even put anything into today

why are you mad at me for trying to not end up in a shitty situation like the one we're in tomorrow?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

if buj flips town
i'm pushing in (mcqueen/liger/xtoxm) pool tomorrow, i think
buj flips scum i think we just lynch max

VOTE: buj

If buj flips scum ur getting the rope tomorrow

if you manage to rope me

i will give you a medal of honor

[Extrapolated Eagle]

if you're usually like this mcqueen

you half-ass mafia
and then get pissed at people for actually trying

why the fuck do you play?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i actually don't understand where the fuck this rage is coming from

you're barely here
every post of yours is a fucking prodge

i'm like actually mad at how little effort you're putting in

what the fuck

seriously

[Extrapolated Eagle]

If you're going to throw a FUCKING TANTRUM every time someone wants to find a reason to not end up in a shitty situation where they' don't know where to go from there after half-assing it ALL FUCKING GAME and EVERY FUCKING POST is a PRODGE.
DON'T PLAY MAFIA.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

what the actual fuck
was that
mcqueen

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i actually don't understand where the fuck this rage is coming from

you're barely here
every post of yours is a fucking prodge

i'm like actually mad at how little effort you're putting in

what the fuck

seriously

i did the same shit in prey mafia only worse

Lmao we fucking lost that game

I know you did
And it's my fault we lost that game I fucked up bad.
I know. I'm sorry I threw.
I'm just pissed
Because I've put HOURS into this fucking game day
Trying to sort shit out
and all I fucking wanna do
is wait a few more hours
so that someone else can hammer
and I can get a better read on who's willing to vote and who isn't

and you're sitting here gitting all pissed and shit

[Extrapolated Eagle]

whatever

buj is probably scum anyways

i just wanted to see if someone would try for bus points or not

mcqueen is probably town, you're right :/

[Extrapolated Eagle]

If you're going to throw a FUCKING TANTRUM every time someone wants to find a reason to not end up in a shitty situation where they' don't know where to go from there after half-assing it ALL FUCKING GAME and EVERY FUCKING POST is a PRODGE.
DON'T PLAY MAFIA.

but u werent finding a reason

U just wanted attention and probably knew u were gonna vote buj all along

If u actually posted like u meant it, maybe i wouldnt be mad

yesx i was

no i wasn't gonna vote him all along
no i didn't just want attention

i did actually fucking mean it
sorry you can't read my mind

[Extrapolated Eagle]

VOTE: mcqueen

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Let's spar.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

(mcqueen/liger/xtoxm) is my current scum pool that I'm working with

Thoughts?

I think that's still not productive.

Talk to me about it, then.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

The last several pages before the flip last night was not productive.

I think you and mcqueen are both town and I'm not sure a spar is going to help you guys sort each other based on how last night went.

I disagree.
Sparring is usually very helpful for me.

I also agree that forcing me to hammer Buj was unproductive, but I guess he was going to die anyways.

Talk to me on why mcqueen is town.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Like, I think your scum reads on each other are emotional rather than logical and I don't think either side's emotions are faked or scum.

If you think it'll help you sort him I won't stop you, I just want to prevent 10+ pages of you guys flinging shit at each other.

I'm not looking to fling shit.

I don't maintain emotional reads greater than 24 hours at a maximum (usually no greater than 6 hours) if I find myself emotionally conflicted, I will usually go take a break shortly after. If a player continues to produce an emotional reaction in me and it becomes apparent that I'm put in a situation where I will have to play in an emotional state or not engage with the player whatsoever, I replace out. At least that's how I handled it the one time I was put in that situation.

My read on him is not emotional at all.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'm not interested in why you're dismissive of my scumread, though, I'm fascinated by why you're townreading him.

I'm not dismissing your scum read. I was dismissing most of the interaction that happened before twilight because I saw it as TvT bitching. Elaborate on your scum read? Is it mostly that he's just within your PoE or do you have other specific reasons?

I think I've already explained my town read on him but I'll reiterate it in a minute. I just needed to know your scum read wasn't clouded by anything.

Sure.
The end of day push for Buj to be lynched when he saw me waiting it out to see if anyone would hammer and still pushing to see if I could get Liger or xtoxm lynched makes me think he's likely scum with one of them. The end of day push looked like very much an opportunistic push, and I think the only reason he's getting town read for it is because of how hard he pushed it. I expressed very townie reasons for waiting that wagon out, but he dismissed them as me trying to look town instead of finish the wagon.
Considering this is his ISO on Buj prior to voting him:

Spoiler: mcqueen's buj iso

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

Can we go back to this please

No

I really don't think Max would end up endgaming this as scum unless everybody gets trapped chasing their tails until scum can destroy all the strong town players, which is still a few days off

BuJ is that kind of player I suspect would get pushed back into the townblock if he doesn't get lynched sooner rather than later, and all it really takes is both Eagle and myself being ignited for all these associatives to be completely forgotten since I don't think anybody else in this playerlist would ever look back at that and how he continues throughout the game.

Liger is just a compromise because people don't really know what to do atm and are stuck in a solve.
Xtoxm is probably town and just feels like a wasted lynch.

I'd really rather we get BuJ today even if just to remove my own paranoia of him endgaming.

remind me why you’re stuck on BuJ

VOTE: Buj

bad vote

Okay, and you don't want to question me because....

I could, but like I said, my vote is on you purely because of Gamma's posts. There's not much I could ask you that would help me change my mind, unless you can explain why all of Gamma's post are practically empty. I really dislike how you jumped to conclusion when I specifically said my vote on you was purely because of Gamma's posts, but whatever.

this is a terrible post and should be pointed out as such. you’re giving Liger almost no chance.

It's really unfortunate how I'm giving him no chance. I'm being so stubborn on my vote on him, and I think I will never unvote him.

VOTE: BuJ

This is making it worse on yourself

WHens deadline i need time to meta check buj but honestly i think hes town.

and to whoever asked why i would meta check buj... hmm idk maybe since he was town in our last game together if his playstyle here is similar he might be town. EVEN if his scum play is different every game

love how ank randomly throws me in a scumpile too

Even when other wagons were available (considering Liger and xtoxm) the fact that he flips his read on Buj and also his read on me out of nowhere seems most likely to come from scum.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Im doing nothing mostly because im lazy, but im also not interested in getting involved to the level that we’ve had multiple arguments throughout the game now.

EE, this was the post that had me start town reading mcqueen. I understand both town and scum can be apathetic, but 9/10 scum is afraid to blatantly say shit like this.

This kind of boldness and honesty is the reason people townread me in 2059, or at least part of it, I think. It's one of the things that makes the game easy as scum - being honest on things like this so you can lie about your reads. This isn't a viable reason to be townreading him right now.

A valid reason to be scumreading him is the fact that he flipped from townreading me all game to scumreading me
and flipped from townreading Buj all game to pushing for his lynch.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

considering his ISO, it looks real enough to me:

Spoiler:

Enter just vote buj

VOTE: EE

Eagle, you complained about fence sitting earlier and now you are fence sitting. End it or admit you are fine with fence sitting.

i have been fence sittign
i said that i've been fence sitting
now i'm happy lynching liger
i'll even lynch xtoxm
i'm even happy w/ a buj lynch
but i want someone else to hammer

Vote now and illl hammer

VOTE: EE

well now i can't hammer

lol i don't wanna vote him cuz i wanna see who's willing to lynch him

U just fucking said ur ok with his lynch but dont wanna hammer

Just fucking vote him mate holy shit

Enter’s actually prolonging this and the more he does the scummier he looks tbh

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

push me

i actually
don't
care

Was talking to rei but ok.

U act like ur not lynchable

everyone vote EE

Plz people

Pretty sure eagle is town right now mcqueen, even if he is being a bit of a twat. Don't lynch townies, sorry.

Hes not. He knows he’s being annoying by dragging this out and all he has to do is “say i wanna discuss before lynching” like he did with you to blow off suspicion. Except u can tell its not genuine

Hes scum

and this post:

Well throw that out the window or ill push u. Dont think i forgot or was joking earlier when i said theres scum in (you, prince, alisae)

should be noted that this was said to rei, not me, but let's consider that scum are already PoE'd - it's important for them to break up the townblock, the fact that mcqueen is now pushing for scum in the town block and it doesn't matter whether or not it's one of these three names or me should be ringing alarm bells pretty loudly
at this point in the game rei and prince are conftown, IMO, putting them in a lynch pool looks like scum trying to get paranoia points and maybe convince people to lynch outside the current PoE

[Extrapolated Eagle]

mcqueen/Liger feels like too easy of a solve.

That's not a reasonable excuse for it to not be the solve.

I think it's mcqueen/Liger or mcqueen/xtoxm
Both of them make sense to me.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

mcqueen/Liger feels like too easy of a solve.

mcqueen is probably town. What does that do for your solve?

Liger is intentionally murkying the waters here, which is something scum want to do and not something town really want to do at all.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also note Liger's lack of comment on anything other than the townblock and solves that involve him.

I'm trying to give Liger a chance to actually contribute instead of just snarking and throwing shade but it doesn't look like it's happening.

Yes, I've already tried that yesterday.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

mcqueen is probably town

Okay, now I get to ask: Why?

I actually don't have a reason. And you can scumread me for that if you want.

So, like gut?

Or is it just to be contrary

I consider myself the devils advocate right now.

Fascinatingly enough, "playing a devil's advocate" doesn't do very much for anyone if you aren't going to provide reasons for your statement.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Well I am not gonna make up reasons to townread a player just to be the advocate here.

If you have to make up reasons to town read them, you should probably be scumreading them.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also, it's very interesting to me that you have to try to make up reasons to town read them when other people have presented reasons in the past that they town read mcqueen, and I doubt they were made up.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You find a lot of things interesting.

How observant of you.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Night, PoR

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I almost think we should lynch players that we think the scum would douse because that lessens the amount that they can potentially kill and we can potentially get a scum that was able to hide themselves very well.

I don't know if that is brilliant or moronic but it can stall out a scum win instead of potential mislynching players that scum have no interest in dousing.

Fascinating change in attitude from this:

Why are you playing this game planning out day 9. This is the current day. Lynch your scumreads. This isn't some game of RISK where we need to get all our pieces in the right position.

Why are you playing this game planning out day 9. This is the current day. Lynch your scumreads. This isn't some game of RISK where we need to get all our pieces in the right position.

I would like to redirect you to the third line of my signature

You don't lynch final scum by playing RISK.

There's nothing worse than an apathy scattered no lynch, and this game is damn close going to be like this if it keeps going on

VOTE YOUR SCUMREADS.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

if we lynch all the townread players than scum can't douse and therefore, we win.
Right? Thats how this works, right?

You say this ironically but your actions are sincere.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also I don't understand people in this game.

What is this mentality of "I don't want to lynch scummy players because they do not give much info."

Like hello? We're still lynching scum?

Who doesn't want to lynch scummy players?

Meanwhile I think Liger is town now.

You're going to need to say more about it than that.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I feel like Liger is getting town reads for not looking all that survivalistic, and that's dumb because it's the easiest way for scum to get town read ever. Guarantee it. I'm terrible at scum but the two scum games I did remarkably well in it was because I was not survivalistic. If you look at what he's actually doing, he's scummy AF.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Actually, screw it. None of this matters. Town is set up to win the game. We lynch McQueen now, liger/xtox tomorrow, and the day after that, the other one if the first one is wrong.

There's no point in dragging this out anymore at this point.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

That's probably why I've begun to do so.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You must have an oddly selective memory

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Always down for a crash course on me being scum. I love to relax and have some popcorn whenever your ready to perform the play of my scumminess. Should be a good show.

Fascinating. In that case, kick back, relax, and enjoy a healthy dose of reading the game thread.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Thanks. I'd try and rate you similarly, but you're so predictable in your patterns that I'm just going to have to fail you.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Dismiss, dismiss, dismiss, attack the player not the game when you recognize you're losing. No efforts to address, just trying to muddy waters and be dismissive of anything and everything.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Dismiss, dismiss, dismiss, attack the player not the game when you recognize you're losing. No efforts to address, just trying to muddy waters and be dismissive of anything and everything.

Addressing things is a scum move.

Saw a movie a couple years ago - I think it was kickass? - the main character makes a comment about why he recognizes super heroes are so witty all the time - because getting clever is a solid way to hide your fear and sometimes knowing you don't look scared is the only thing keeping you from turning and running in the face of danger.

On an unrelated note, engaging and addressing only looks scummy sometimes because it looks like you care to stay alive. Tell me, why do you care about your image so much?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Ank, vote mcqueen, please

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Cool, it's been fun. I'll engage you again tomorrow.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Thanks, I know, that's why you'll leave me alive tonight.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Or kill me for WIFOM points. It really doesn't matter. It is funny to watch you squirm, though.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

If I called the shots I would.

Hey scum if you are listening, and you want to frame me. Keep everyone alive.

Your friend,

Liger Zero

Or just ignite. Either way will frame you, TBH.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

"regardless what happens. It indicates you are scum" - Eagle.

Now you're getting it.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Max, vote mcqueen

[Extrapolated Eagle]

liger if you vote mcqueen we will kill max the day after xtoxm

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Eh, it was worth a shot.
You've been fooled by smaller lies before.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Oof. Coming from scum, that hurts a lot.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Eagle Im tryna figure out why scum mcqueen doesnt wanna push me here tho
Like am I too obvious lynchbait am I just too hard to lynch now
Idk maybe im putting too much thought into it but considering the dwindling mislynch options for scum if the big townpool is rly right idk how it sits with me

He doesn't want to lynch you the same way he didn't want to lynch Buj yesterday.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Do you need a bandaid?

How long did it take you to come up with that one? You're getting slow.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Liger is acting exactly how I think scum acts here (maybe THATS too blatant idfk) w putting paranoia in the townpool (or at least trying to)

Pedit Yes

Funny, so is mcqueen

He doesn't want to lynch you the same way he didn't want to lynch Buj yesterday.

K fair
Where are we on Jingle

Town

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Vote mcqueen and you probably won't even have to be here tonight.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Well that kinda contradicts my read but alas

VOTE: Liger_Zero

1. Prince of Renais
   
2. Extrapolated Eagle
   
3. Karmeleon
   
4. RAS
   
5. Ankamius
   
6. Jingle
   
7. mcqueen
   
8. Dannflor
   
9. Liger_Zero
   
10. Vedith

is what I have for my townlist.

That leaves DDL/xtoxm/Max but I don't kinda feel content with this PoE list? I don't feel like there would be 2 scums in this PoE list. So I think I'm wrong in one of my townlist.
From what I'm looking, basically everyone in the lower list of my reads have shown the "I don't care lynch me" attitude except for DDL. So clearly this is not the towntell in this game.
(Or maybe because only DDL showed the 'hey I don't want to be lynched,' that kinda makes him townish? I have no clue!)

I think Vedith replacing out shenanigan makes him kinda town (although it is unorthodox to read him with that).
Liger_Zero for me is "why would scum play like him" read. Yeah, yeah, it is a bad to assume that people play decently, but still.
Dann looks obvtown to me and he have been poked and jabbed by many people so maybe at least one scum joined the jabbing.

mcqueen I think it's just more 'special' than others.

Your last vote was on a town read as well, but you didn't complain about that?

Is your L0 read based on him being too scummy to be scum sort, or he does some things that make him seem townie?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Badly in what way? Like too obvious to be scum, or not pushing a good agenda/playing towards a scum wincon?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also, xtxom also made efforts to express his desire to be lynched - with the intention of making it seem like he also didn't care if people lynched him. Not sure if he was in the lower part of your list or not, also is your list from towniest to least townie or in no particular order?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I don't know it's more like "people keep jabbing him but he's still doing his own thing." I'm bad with words.

It's fine, I'm just trying to get at the root of what you're saying.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Cool. My lynch pool is yours, PoR, I don't care what order we go about it.

VOTE: L0

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You do you, PoR. I will be very much V/LA in a little bit more than two weeks, but I don't see harming dragging days out just a little.

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That is to say I consider game solved at this point and while I could be wrong, I very much doubt it .

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That is to say I consider game solved at this point and while I could be wrong, I very much doubt it .

youre a funny man

What makes you say this?

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dann always reads awkward
your read on him is like your read on urap in bop 2, i think

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liger/mcqueen are actually playing to a scum agenda right now

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You guys are obsessed with your townblock.

mcqueen/Liger feels like too easy of a solve.

mcqueen is probably town. What does that do for your solve?

mcqueen is probably town

Okay, now I get to ask: Why?

I actually don't have a reason. And you can scumread me for that if you want.

I am contributing to stopping you three from this group think mentality you have going on which i am sure will blow up in all of your faces but this is what happened with Buj. But sure, just write me off if you want.

mcqueen is probably town

Okay, now I get to ask: Why?

I actually don't have a reason. And you can scumread me for that if you want.

So, like gut?

Or is it just to be contrary

I consider myself the devils advocate right now.

I have evidence otherwise

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What is that evidence of?

scum agenda

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Do you all not realize that, especially with this mechanic - ESPECIALLY if BuJ was doused, although we don’t know this - lynching town isn’t necessarily the worst if it gives info. Most agree on that; however, most are mad at ME for trying to coordinate SOME type of lynch when the rest of the townblock has been shown to lack this ability? IIRC TWICE yesterday was someone at L-1 with no hammer. Do you really think town is going to win with a bunch of indecisiveness floating around? While BuJ’s lynch may have been wrong, it is the precursor to picking a lynch as a block and sticking with it - the way it should be - win or lose.

I'll have to relook to double check this as true but this looks town at a glance

I want you to relook to double check that
because it looks not town to me at all

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dann assert your reads and be an asshole about it

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what agenda are you thinking of eagle

Both of them are pushing paranoia (break up the townblock) even though it's way to early for that and we've already discussed why discussing this is pretty anti-town
Liger is intentionally muddying waters on gamestate between him/mcqueen, trying to provide opposition to the wagon w/o any actual reason to do so even though other people HAVE provided reasons they legitimately think they town read mcqueen
mcqueen is pushing whatever lynch will go through, esp when necessary to avoid liger/xtoxm lynch
liger is intentionally combative on almost every point but refuses to provide reasons for resistance, he's just actively resisting forward motion
mcqueen is avoiding actually providing any thoughts past a few passing remarks and an awkward push, as well as he feels quite different from prey
both of them have shown remarkable mindset changes based on what wagon was being pushed and when

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deliberate posting isn't playing to a scum agenda

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l0 is getting town read for tone
and it's bad but we'll deal w/ that tomorrow

let's lynch mcqueen

VOTE: mcqueen

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i think l0 is more likely scum than xtoxm but i'll lynch xtoxm first if it means we get l0 after that
cuz either one could be

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Vedith is not likely to be scum
mcqueen/Xtoxm are the two slots in contention that I am not convinced are likely scum
Maxwell I still think should have another day to really show his alignment before deciding for certain
Dann is a giant question mark
I keep forgetting DDL is even in the game at all
Liger I'm not really townreading but I'm not scumreading either?

I'm starting to realize that my scumreads are a lot more muddled than I thought they were

Ok let's work through this
I agree vedith is likely to not be scum
Maxwell has done town things
DDL isn't playing to a scum agenda, he's barely even trying to survive
So let's take them out of the list

that leaves liger/mcqueen/xtoxm/dann

I'll tell you dann belongs in a slot w/ maxwell if you can't read him

Which gives you the same PoE solve as I have right now

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also
"not convinced are scum"
is bad reasoning to be town reading someone
"not convinced are scum"
is the reason succinct lasted as long as they did in 2059
and lovebird lasted as long as they did in rapier upick

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If you don't have reasons to be townreading them, sheep me on my scum reads

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My record isn't too shabby, tbh, especially in the last couple games, and the fact that my PoE is looking prety fucking similar to PoR's should help put things into perspective

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i actually think i'm 3/3 on my individual solves recently, but I'll have to check that

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succinct lasted as long as they did in anuket specifically because I attributed all their scummy shit to their alt instead of them being scum

I imagine you didn't keep reading after you left the game?

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i actually think i'm 3/3 on my individual solves recently, but I'll have to check that

considering i've mostly played scum since marathon weekend, this isn't huge
but i'm pretty sure all four of my "this is solve" reads since marathon weekend as town have been 100%

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I did

you think succinct lasted afterwards because of towniness you attributed to them prior?

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i actually think i'm 3/3 on my individual solves recently, but I'll have to check that

considering i've mostly played scum since marathon weekend, this isn't huge
but i'm pretty sure all four of my "this is solve" reads since marathon weekend as town have been 100%

I said 3/3 cuz I'm not counting my town read

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no

succinct lasted as long as they did because town never got together properly all game and instead were igniting TvT fights all game

I'm saying that succinct would never have lasted to my replace out if I had properly read them as scum because I was the only one that could reasonably have been expected to, there were several tells there that I picked up on and if I had properly had them as a scumread alongside flubber, I think a lot of people would have had a lot less apprehension towards my solve despite it being a gamewinning one

Alright
But the purpose of the discussion isn't to say "you're bad at reading succinct"
The purpose of this discussion is to say "not seeing a reason to scumread them" isn't an argument for towniness, because it was used on multiple occasions to defend scum

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funny thing, I never actually townread succinct either which should've been a red flag in of itself

....

funny thing, this is my point

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I will

fight you

i'd like that.

kinky

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VOTE: NSG

VOTE: NSG

VOTE: NSG

VOTE: NSG

kinkier

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@NSG

Spew yourself town, please.

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no pressure PoR but i'm really expecting something super spicy tomorrow

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pagetop!

mafia needs a fast forward button

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So my PoE has three players: two scum and one townie if I'm correct.

I made posts yesterday bolstering the idea that the reads should be sheeped after our death tonight, creating a game state where we have (in the scenario that I'm right), two scum trying to provide the idea that I'm wrong by distancing each other and lynching the townie. Does this game state sound familiar to anyone else?

Anyways, aside from musings on the fact that I feel like I've managed to recreate a game state from BoP 2, you'll notice that ligers post about framing him would frame him as town if we died tonight, mcqueen said I was wrong, even though if he is town and both xtoxm and liver are scum (he has pushed both as scum within the last three pages), that would make me right. In fact, for him to know I'm wrong he'd have to know the alignment of another player here, but why would he care about me being wrong if he could be town here and I think the other two are scum, like him?

Just thought that was fascinating.

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Just to be clear I'm not really pushing this as evidence, (although it is kinda interesting to take a deeper look at in that way), I'm pretty much only remarking on similarities to recent experiences.

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you cant compare a 3:2 solve to a 12:2 solve

BoP is a 12:2 solve with 7 conftowns (paragons). Now does it sound familiar?

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I'd say it's probably exactly three other people unless some people were stalking me or one of the other three people here.

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What a wasteful bunch of pages.
I don't see McQueen as Scum here btw.

Town read on mcqueen based on personality, or something else you can describe better?

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Eagle what town things have I done im p curious

Pedit hey vedith who do you wanna lynch

What is the purpose of this question?

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Or at least what you are projecting. Assuming the things I am reading between isn't just an act or something and is your actual personality.

Its my actual personality
And Im still not scum
If youre town youve somehow rly rly misunderstood my intentions and my thoughts this game

But I dont have any recent games to rly show that so its w/e
Xtoxms like the only person here w meta on me and i do like how hes applied it (and its true my play there was completely different but it also came from a time where i tried to sound intelligent. lol)

I really don't think so, I think you are still trying to appeal to those in the town block to get townread to carry you to endgame and hold of on any scrutiny till they are gone, and you think you can win with them gone is my assumption.

Or maybe you just want to buy time, not sure if you have an end goal with any of it.

You know what is funny though, I am directly sucking up to the townblock (prince specifically), hoping someone would call me out on it, and nobody did. Goes to show you how easy it is to get in their good graces when you just say you will do what they want. So I can see huge benefits from a scum perspective to do that and I think you are the most likely person doing that although your doing it a bit more subtle than me.

Considering a large portion of the town block (prince specifically made a case against you) was voting you less than 24 hours ago, "in their good graces" is a bit of a stretch.

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Do you still wanna lynch me?
Tbh i dont have the greatest feelings abt the lynchpool as a whole like
My feelings on this keep changing but Id be rly rly surprised if xtoxm/liger/mcqueen ACTUALLY had two scums in it not the least bc xtoxm/mcqueen no longer feels super likely to me like in what world does a scumteam decide to have one half bus and the other half townread them for it
Like what does that accomplish besides being so out there that it doesnt look scummy
Ignore past max who said Renais exact point abt this being why theyre a team was fair, past max is p universally a dumbass

So, options for scum in this scenario- both bus each other, one bus the other doesn't bus, both don't bus.

How does any one of these seem particularly implausible to you?
I need more of a process than this.

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Also Liger is calling mcqueen scum(my) and has voted him within the last 24 hours and mcqueen made a post about how liger/dann is SvS less than 12 hours ago. How is this not both bussing each other?

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Eagle what town things have I done im p curious

Pedit hey vedith who do you wanna lynch

What is the purpose of this question?

You quoted two questions but im gonna assume you mean the one to you
Its an ego thing mainly, its not to sort you

Noted. That's not what I was worried about, but I'll come back to your question later.

Considering a large portion of the town block (prince specifically made a case against you) was voting you less than 24 hours ago, "in their good graces" is a bit of a stretch.

I am always in your good graces <3

You made a point that was objectively wrong and this is how you defend it?

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Also Liger is calling mcqueen scum(my) and has voted him within the last 24 hours and mcqueen made a post about how liger/dann is SvS less than 12 hours ago. How is this not both bussing each other?

Im not talking abt Liger and mcqueen im talking abt mcqueen and Xtoxm

Tho i didnt realize Liger and mcqueen were scumreading each other

OK, so how does mcqueen/xtoxm not being a likely team prevent there from being two scum in (mcqueen/xtoxm/liger)

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You made a point that was objectively wrong and this is how you defend it?

I don't defend my points against anything you say, because you show zero respect in the way you make points. I dismiss them because you don't deserve any of my respect.

Correction.

So instead of refusing to respond to me or responding with how you're actually feeling in an attempt to fix the situation, you respond with veiled aggression and antagonism? I'm confused.

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You made a point that was objectively wrong and this is how you defend it?

I don't defend my points against anything you say, because you show zero respect in the way you make points. I dismiss them because you don't deserve any of my respect.

Correction.

So instead of refusing to respond to me or responding with how you're actually feeling in an attempt to fix the situation, you respond with veiled aggression and antagonism? I'm confused.

No, that's you.
I am making fun of you. You are the one with passive aggressive. Read your posts. Its all there.

Read your own posts, dude. You're accusing me of doing everything you've spent the entire game doing.

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And you managed to miss my point, which is that if you really thought I was being passive aggressive in the way I was making points against you, in what way is the proper response more passive aggression?

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Eagle. I don't know how to spell this out for you.
Everything I have posted has been a return and making fun of you and your behavior. So when I am being snarky/dismissive, its because you are being passive aggressive and acting just as that. When I am doing what you are saying as passive aggressive, it is against your passive aggressive behavior.

Like have some self awareness mate. I am bored of just returning the volley, its not as funny to me anymore. Its getting sad that you are still doing it.

Liger, I don't know how you haven't got this yet, but I'm saying the same shit to you that you're saying to me. The difference is I can quote more than one post from you being passive aggressive, and it's a lot harder for me to find a post of yours in which you're actually trying to play the game.

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Still not sure if you're mad about the way I responded to your entrance in the game, you're mad cuz I'm scum reading you and people are listening, or if you're mad about the way I was responding to you yesterday, TBH.

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I am not mad at you at all, I am annoyed by your passive aggressive behavior because Id rather you just be full on aggressive and I find it funny no one else but me can see your behavior for what it is, but you know, it is what it is.

You do you, I ain't gonna indulge those passive aggressive posts you make with snark anymore because it just isn't funny anymore.

I think the problem likely stems, then, from the fact that you seem to think your "snark" isn't passive aggressive.

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I am not mad at you at all, I am annoyed by your passive aggressive behavior because Id rather you just be full on aggressive and I find it funny no one else but me can see your behavior for what it is, but you know, it is what it is.

You do you, I ain't gonna indulge those passive aggressive posts you make with snark anymore because it just isn't funny anymore.

Actually, I have a theory on you that I am willing to post here:

I think you don't generally know how to interact with people if you scumread them because you inherently probably think it is an adversarial confrontation. So you engage in it as that subconsciously without thinking about it because you believe it is a you vs them thing. So I don't think you are being passive aggressive as maybe intentional but just as a way of how your mind perceives the interaction. So instead of waiting for the person to give you reason to be adversarial to you, you are already charged up and beginning it, so then that person fires back and then it gives you more reason to continue doing it. That then becomes a loop which continues infinitum.

I think I got it on the nose there.

I think you're projecting.

I've been passive aggressive / snarky at two points this game. When you inserted yourself into my conversation with Ank with no context - in which case I first responded directly and then when you didn't respond well to that, I used the same snark you had used before. The second time was yesterday, when I figured since you'd been nothing but snark most of the game, you'd be cool if I got snarky back. It was fun until I found out you weren't enjoying it as well. :/

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I don't know if you've noticed but you're the only person I respond this way to, and I've only responded in this way when other attempts at communication didn't work.

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Yeah, I am bored with it.

Then respond to me and my points directly and let's move on with the game.

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Cool. I'll do a write up in a bit. Lemme get back to my computer first.

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Actually, I need to distance myself from the game for a bit so I can clear my head. I'll be back later

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tfw you thought Karmeleon WAS creature

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PoR
EE
Ank
Reiuji
Karm

I think literally never wrong. there's some universe i guess where reiuji is wrong but i'm willing to treat it as wrong for now and if she has secret scum talents that i don't know about i'll deal with it after the game
this is earth shattering to have a wrong read, this is Postie in Plotinus's second game level unlikely

RAS
Jingle

like, very probably town. I won't cry or be shattered if either of these are scum but if they are then I lose this game and I don't think it was my fault, so that leaves

DDL
Dannflor
mcqueen
Vedith
MaxwellPuckett
Liger_zero
Xtoxm

and we can lynch 5

so my tentative withdrawal from contention is DDL maxwell as of right now

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general consensus agrees w/ those reads, I think

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cuz she's cool

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god i fucking hate this game and everyone in it i'm leaving

what no why pls