Compromise Arena A

[Krazy]

Why would Chenn lynch me? The game is over, A50. Chenn is faced with two opposed factions; why would he risk a full loss when he either gets an all loss or a compromise by either lynching you or doing nothing?

Strictly speaking it's not really up to anyone but Ari, unless Chenn full threw his team's wincon. If Ari wants compromise we can do compromise, if he wants all lose we can do all lose, idgaf I don't think it makes a difference in points either way.

@Boon

is there any difference in points between a 3-way compromise and an "all lose" end?

[Krazy]

You don't expect either of us to give away their "high ground" at this point, thus making way for a complete defeat. The best you can hope for is that we let you in on it, and you have my word on that one if you play game.

I don't even know what you're talking about, this game is functionally over. Either we do full impasse or we do a 3-way compromise. There's 0 reason for Chenn to vote anyone other than you or no one without full throwing so I'm not sure what you're talking about with high ground. There is no high ground here lol

[Aristophanes]

Chenny, would you be a dear and vote someone?

Thanks, love <3

[Almost50]

There is NO 3-way compromise. Only 2 sides can win at max per round. And chenn/you have an offer of getting points vs not getting points.

Even assuming there is such a thing as a 3-way compromise, that's 3 points to each and every team, which is the same as "dull impasse" which results in 0 points to each and every team, so basically the same amount of points for all 6 teams whichever way you go.

If you lynch chenn, or if he lynches you.. the lynchee's side loses; along with any other player(s) who had the same alignment as the lynchee. The one who played ball with us thus gets to win points at the expense of others who will not, thus will have a slight advantage in the final standings already.

Now, since a 3-way compromise (if exists) is exactly the same as a full impasse I don't see why we should risk lynching one of us (myself or Ari) which would make a "coup" on the status possible if you decide to backstab us, while in this situation here we are guaranteed the same result without that possibility. Why take a risk with no gain?

You -on the other hand- do get to gain something from trusting me. Your team gets more points than other teams. It's as simple as that.

[Almost50]

Now, imagine this: Ari is TOWN and was playing for a minority win in a compromise, and now that he knows we're on opposite sides he is waiting for chenn to het a clean win on BOTH of us. Would that suit you better?

Lynching chenn now is the right move for you. You have my guarantee I will self-vote next and that guarantees you a joint win with either the Mafia or the Town.

[Aristophanes]

So for record keeping sake,

I am on Krazy
Krazy is on A50
A50 is on Chenn
Chenn is on noone

This is intriguing

[Krazy]

There is NO 3-way compromise.

This isn't my recollection but we can check

@Boon

if the three players in 3-way are all separate alignments and vote compromise, then how is that resolved?

I don't see any scenario how that's any different from all lose still

VOTE: all lose is the pretty clear result of this game whichever way it spins

[Krazy]

Now, imagine this: Ari is TOWN

now imagine this

I'm town gambiting, and Ari is also town gambiting, and all of the town wins with compromise if they lynch you

that's quite a scenario right!

[Krazy]

I think your opposition to a 3-way compromise or all lose is really sketch monkey lol

[Aristophanes]

Fine, we're at a stand still.

VOTE: Ari

Just end me guys and figure this out in 3p.

[Krazy]

Actually Ari you are technically throwing right now, you should be voting A50 as well. A50 is the only person whose alignment is unknown. If he claims town to chenni, and is in fact town, then he lynches you in 3-way with chenni.

[Krazy]

See that's still an incorrect play, Ari. Because I know your alignment is opposed to me and you know mine is opposed to yours. The only way you lose here is if A50 is actually gambiting town.

[Krazy]

Also I kinda just don't see how it's ever correct to self-vote in 4-way?

[Aristophanes]

Krazy, A50, just vote me. It's the right play, you're just missing it

[Almost50]

There is NO 3-way compromise.

I don't see any scenario how that's any different from all lose still

GDI!

Currently my team (A50+chara) & Ari's team are alead by 8 pts. All other teams have ZERO points.

All lose = same thing. 8-8-0-0-0-0
3-way if exists makes it 11-11-3-3-3-3. Just 3 points added to everyone.
2-way joint win gives X points to the winners ONLY. One of you/chenn (and whoever rolled the sme alignment) stays at ZERO points, while the other(s) so get points.

So let's say you were the only WW. That's 3 townies defeated. So we are 11-11-3-0-0-0 with the 3 pts awarded to your team. which is considerably better than the two options above.

With Ari town though, lynching me grants you and everyone else ONE LOUSY POINT. It'd be 9 (Ari), 8 (me) and 1-1-1-1 for everyone else.

Do the math

[Krazy]

Like are you saying we lynch Ari and then lynch Chenn just to screw town out of points? That's pretty cold

Like, yeah, theoretically that puts me ahead of the town players, but it doesn't put me any closer to catching up with you so it's extremely risky and cold for really minimal payoff

[Almost50]

@Ari:

"You may also vote an individual player to a majority to lynch them. Whichever alignment the lynched player is on will be declared the losing team."

Lynching you makes it possible for Krazy/chenn to gang up on me to make up for "some" of their lost grounds. That's NOT the right play if you are truly Mafia here. If you're Town though it might be (on fact in never is because whichever alignment has 2 players alive has the upper hand currently and can dictate the terms to guarantee a joint win at the very least.)

[Krazy]

Why do you suddenly think it's plausible that Ari is town lol

Ari is never town here

[Almost50]

Like are you saying we lynch Ari and then lynch Chenn just to screw town out of points? That's pretty cold

Like, yeah, theoretically that puts me ahead of the town players, but it doesn't put me any closer to catching up with you so it's extremely risky and cold for really minimal payoff

1- No. I'm saying we lynch chenn first
2- Neither does a 3-way compromise or an all-lose vote. The BEST you can achieve here is get ahead of the other 3 teams, unless Ari insists on throwing.

[Almost50]

If Ari's not town I am never voting him. Have chenn hammer and take your win, but I am not going to do the wrong move here.

[Aristophanes]

*shrugs*

If you think that, and that we are of differing alignments, then why wouldn't you get rid of me?

A50, we are either stagnating or compromising, may as well pick one

[Krazy]

lol are you seriously trying to sell me on a chenn lynch?

come on a50, me lynching chenn or chenn lynching me is a clear-cut gamethrow

like that's sketch monkeyboi, weren't you the one all gung-ho for a cat's game compromise earlier?

[Almost50]

*shrugs*

If you think that, and that we are of differing alignments, then why wouldn't you get rid of me?

A50, we are either stagnating or compromising, may as well pick one

Stagnate for me it is.

[Almost50]

@Krazy: Do as you wish, mate. I've made up my mind. I am not voting Aris.

[Aristophanes]

Lol k how boring