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[Tchill13]

What do I gain by voting gobble and town clearing you?

I already believe you're town.

[Tchill13]

Hell why don't I unvote luv and then you vote LUV for a 24 hr period? How's that not a similar thing?

[Tchill13]

That confirms luv as scum at that point and we still get time to discuss who his partner is.

[Tchill13]

You're asking me to risk singlehandedly being the reason town lose here Lmao. Like come on man.

The only reason I'm entertaining it is because if you're scum you win anyway.

[Tchill13]

There's one scum in luv/tchill. That's a fact.

I'd be much more comfortable testing that out after we've talked to gobble. Opposed to doing it now.

[Tchill13]

If you're town here you understand what you're asking me to do and even if I think you're town you understand why I can't do it right?

[Tchill13]

I'm not even responding to Luca anymore btw.

[Tchill13]

If it's a klick/x scum team I lose.

If I'm town with town Luca and we lose that makes me joyful. Because Luca would lose.

If it's klick/luca that really sucks. Because Luca wins...

Decisions, decisions.

Is it klick/x. Luca/luv or gobble/luv...

[Tchill13]

Oh my gosh stop posting so I can think about what to do here without rage playing a part.

[Tchill13]

I'm betting the entire game on a uzi/luca or uzi/gobble team.

I've proven uzi is scum already given a game state where ppl know I'm town.

Because klick/luca can't be the team or they'd have both voted uzi forever ago. Which is what I was just now starting to get paranoid about.

So I have a 1/3 shot in losing the game if I vote gobble here... If I don't town probably loses anyway... Ugh.

[Tchill13]

No no no no. I'm about to vote. Are you still here?

[Tchill13]

I'll give you 15 minutes before I close this window down.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: gobble

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Lil uzi Vert

[Tchill13]

OK ok... Good deal.

[Tchill13]

Wow I didn't even get a thank you lol.

[Tchill13]

And screw you Luca.

[Tchill13]

Well that's fantastic. It's either Luca or gobble that is the last scum. I feel much better about this now. I finally have someone I literally can't flip flop on anymore.

[Tchill13]

I'm trying to determine what Luca can and can not push anymore....

Klick is conf town. So there's 2 scum for sure in (uzi/gobble/tchill) from his perspective.

I'd love to see the reason scum have for clearing someone in lylo....

One scum has to be LUV from my pov.

Then it comes down to a VT that naked voted in lylo with nothing solid to back him up or a slot that had a suspicious claim...

We lynch uzi. Gobble then guards klick. If klick dies gobble is scum claiming so I should be the n3 nk.

This leaves klick/gobble/luca. Luca scum can't kill gobble here and gobble scum can't kill Luca here.

[Tchill13]

Whenever you can Luca just provide thoughts in klick being conf town and me going out of my way to conf town klick.

[Tchill13]

As expected.

This is fine. I believe we can get gobble to vote uzi. I think klick will come around eventually.

It really comes down to the gobble interaction with klick.

[Tchill13]

@klick @gobble

Klick isn't scum with Luca.

I'm not scum with luca.

Luca/gobble is not the team as they would have hammered uzi.

It is luca/uzi confirmed.

Of course this is from the perspective that I'm town.

Which is why gobble will protect klick after the uzi lynch.

Me/klick votes Luca the next day phase.

After my town flip. Klick/gobble will vote Luca after I'm killed in the night phase.

[Tchill13]

Gobble/uzi could still be scum theoretically. It's not proven they can't be yet.

If I'm choosing between Luca (voted someone in lylo without concrete evidence) or gobble (shady claim)

I'm picking Luca.

[Tchill13]

Oh boy I'm gone be here the whole time for that.

[Tchill13]

@klick

If there's a way you can come up with to confirm it's not tchill/gobble I'm all ears.

[Tchill13]

I think the fact that I pushed klick so hard opening lylo Confirms that given klicks last reads D2 were gobble town luca/luv scum team.

If I was determined to just mislynch luv its a much better idea to pander to klick because of that reads list opposed to trying to talk Luca into voting luv (who he's town read the entire game)

[Tchill13]

I buy what you're selling. Particularly that you wouldn't have killed Ali.
It's worth noting that there's not a chance I kill Ali last night either, unless I/my partner saw the crumb. I was in his good books.

Gobble's not scum and I think that's pretty obvious.
I'm ready to accept that I could be wrong on Billy/LUV.
Datisi doesn't feel like scum here, particularly in the last few pages of getting annoyed with me. At first I thought she was being defeatist to try and get townread, but I don't think doing it to this level is quite within her range.

I'm falling on LUV/Luca as a team and I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Luca's read on LUV has flip-flopped enough that I'm not sold on it being coherent.

PEdit: I mean everything you're saying is consistent with the kind of stuff I've read from your past scum PTs I do think there are certain things people just don't do when they're scum that they do when they're town. To that end, meta isn't trash.

Gobble has shown no hesitance. He was prepared to straight-up lynch me/LUV.

Why does a tchill/gobble team BOTH try to get Luca to vote LUV instead of getting klick to vote LUV after klicks reads list?

[Tchill13]

....And if I were scum I wouldn't have voted Gobble, confirming that Klick is Town and confirming to two players who hard TR me that I'm scum.

MY VOTE CONFIRMED HE WAS TOWN. I put someone at L-1 and klick didn't hammer.

All your vote actually did was confirm you or gobble as scum see how you put gobble at L-2.

Your vote ruled technically ruled out

Klick/uzi
Klick/tchill


My gobble vote effectively ruled out every possible klick team except

Klick/gobble

Which is impossible because that team would have hammered uzi on account of my vote.

You ain't got the clout like I do. Sit down son.

[Tchill13]

You were trying to open me up to vote Klick, and the reason is to keep your options open.

In LYLO scum want as many potential outs as pssoble. They don't want it coming down to a 50/50, which is what I made it with my Gobble vote.

Nope. Scum don't risk "more options" for a "most likely to win" scenario. Sorry.

If scum risk using klick as the 3rd vote just to try and get another townie to flip on a hard tr he's had all game then that scum team doesn't deserve to win.

[Tchill13]

Na Na Na boo boo Luca's full of shiiiiiit.

[Tchill13]

Haha.

Luca calls it bullshit when I don't vote gobble.

Luca calls it bullshit when I do vote gobble.

[Tchill13]

Haha I figured it out. One sec.

[Tchill13]

Like, Tchill is scumreading Datisi for based on her content, but he isn't actually

reading

her content.

Is that not a bit sus?

Ok, let's stick with Gobble, then.

I promise not to change this time.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Datisi

That’s the hammer.

I was right about Gobble, he is definitely scum.

I’m parking my vote on him tomorrow.

The other scum is probably Tchill, but could conceivably be Klick.

luca why didnt you vote me in lylo today?

you've SR'd me the entire game. You tr'd a50/gobble much more than me this game.

you claim you're gonna vote par gobble in lylo but you don't until i've laid my vote on LUV long enough to force a 1v1.

Why not vote me to town clear klick?

I think it's because if you vote gobble you can then push a gobble/tchill team.

if you vote me you don't have content near as good as you do nowto push tchill/gobble.

yes you said you were gonna vote park gobble. Why not do that at the beginning of the day?

why wait until i forced a LUV/tchill 1v1?

So did you vote gobble has a "token of faith" towards luca? Did you do it because you had already planned on it?

You did it so you could push tchill/gobble.

and no this "idea" wouldnt work had you vote parked gobble at day start.

anyway, im off uhntil klick shows back up.

[Tchill13]

Tchill has tried to hype up his Gobble vote to something massive, as if it actually meant anything.

In reality it was a mere formality. Gobble was never getting hammered by Klick.

Klick was already conf town and never getting lynched following my Gobble vote. Tchill's used it as an opportunity to make out he''s done Klick a favour, when it was virtually meaningless.

"its bullshit tchill isnt voting gobble"

"its bullshit tchill is voting gobble"

why did you make an outburst if it wasnt gonna mean anything anyway?

[Tchill13]

One could argue Luca saw an opportunity to keep gobble in the game and then use him to be a mislynch opportunity.

"ScUm KeEp ThErE OpTiOnS OpEn"

And he's accused me of doing the same thing he did several times.

Plus if I think the team is luv/klick. Yes I switch my vote back to luv after voting gobble to town clear klick asap. What the fuck my guy.

[Tchill13]

Now do Billy and gobble not being a scum team.

[Tchill13]

"effectively an L-1 vote" lol

[Tchill13]

Luca is clearing luv for how Billy played. The guy that replaced out.

Luca is condemning a50/gobble for how gobble played. The guy that replaced in.

That's just picking and choosing what best fits the narrative. Literally refusing to take into account the play of the entire slot.

[Tchill13]

I could have equally voted you or Gobble, since you're the scum team.

I haven't TR A50/Gobble since D1.

I wanted to make sure of my Klick read before I made a vote. When he posted the letter he was pretty obviously town.

Klick was already town-cleared. He was never getting lynched, as you well know.

And you were claiming I'm scum for voting Gobble '

without concrete evidence'

, and now you're calling me scum for not voting right at the start of the day? I voted Gobble when I

HAD

the evidence that Klick was definitely town.

Vote me then.

Vote me now and let it sit.

[Tchill13]

my perspective (you're scum for not voting gobble with concrete evidence)

You're perspective (you claimed you'd vote park gobble in lylo, waited until I had voted luv for quite some time)

So don't act like I'm not being consistent. I'm just using both perspectives to tell you what's wrong from each one.

[Tchill13]

Can't be klick/x

Can't be Luca/gobble

Cant be tchill/luca

Can't be Luca/uzi

This leaves:

Tchill/gobble
Uzi/gobble
Uzi/luca

[Tchill13]

Game-Specific Info

• 2 week day phases, 2 day night phases.
  
• Majority lynches only.
  
• Mafia daytalk is disabled.

They're not talking about anything.
That's why I asked, I figured mafia!Billy would've said "oh maf ain't talking they have no daytalk"

Datisi confirmed a townie. She sees exactly what I see.

My town block is me, Datisi, Billy and Klick (that was his town slip)

I maybe crazy, but after having finished reading I think I TR Iconeum harder now, while -at the same town- still maintaining a TR on Datisi. (If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but having been in several fights with Iconeum in the past I know this could very well come from town!him, and I also sympathize with Datisi because she is taking my role in that fight).

And allow me to point out (@Ali) that I think you probably misread 618. I didn't get the feeling he was mad at ou challenging his authority at all. Read it again, if you will.

As for Billy & Klick.. the "test" made me feel good about the both of them. Billy town!slipped, and I thought Klick did too, but I also asked myself "Why would Klick come clean and admit it wasn't a town!slip on his part when he could have just ridden it and enjoyed the Town cred?")

Update: Your slot (Ali) seems town enough to me now. I dunno how to exactly phrase it into words, but the way you play .. I dunno.. doesn't have enough fluff and no signs of manipulation has been detected.

So, it's Luca/Nips/Tchill if I had to consider a lynch pool based on PoE, but I don't have a case on any of them, and I may even have reservations on going full force on someone like Tchill whom I've seen play just like that as town.

Nips is a "fox", which is why I'm being wary of him, but to tell you the truth I am not sure he had done anything scummy either. It's just paranoia if I wanted to be honest.

Finally, Luca.. I can see your case on him, but I also thing you're being too aggressive to the point he cannot rationally argue back (I know the feeling too... ). My point is, I know I have to be wrong on someone or the other.. (two of them in fact), so I'm just waiting for someone to actually slip (or come close) so that I know what's what. Else, I think I'd need a flip to start connecting the dots, and that's bad in itself because it's more of a Micro (who decided to put 9 players setups in the minis??)

Bottom line: Forget anything I said at will, but Iconeum is most likely town here.

P-edit: It's pretty good you're coming around on this on your own too.

Iconeum: Claimed PR. Crumbed it pretty obviously before "fake claiming" another PR (but same function). I buy the claim that he targeted Ali, but I am confused as to why he would if he thought Ali was likely the NK. All in all you don't lynch the ONLY claimed PR in the game. For all we know he could be the sole PR we have here.

Luca Blight: He was pressured for most of D1 (the part after Ali subbed in) yet he didn't stutter or falter. If he is scum I'd commend him for his steal nerves. I think his reaction was well composed and even his anger sounded genuine to me.

Lil Uzi Vert: I auto SR LUV, so that's not it. Billy was so relaxed for a newb scum and that "test" really works in his favour. Also the timing of his replace-out would be odd for a scumster as it was clear the pressure is totally off his slot.

Klick: Natural ungated thoughts even if he seems to go against the louder voices. He only cares to show his own thoughts as clear as possible and doesn't seem to care about the consequences.

Datisi: This may be the most inexplicable TR of mine in this game. I had her as Town early on from tone, but then I didn't see a single thing that made me reconsider. It doesn't help that the pushes against her were bad and that;s probably what Ali saw and thus decided to throw his weight behind saving her.

Almost50: That's me. I only have my role PM to argue with (and it's not available to any of you, so I perfectly understand). If I was a bypasser I'd wonder what this slot has done to be TR'd, but I also have the advantage of knowing me and knowing I'm not this passive as scum.. like EVER.

Tchill13: I killed the notion to pressure you on D1 because you were acting exactly the same as the previous game when you got lynched on D1 and were town. I sometimes feel for people who continuously get ML'd early on (ask Cheeky. I think I've defended her as both alignments as she is one of those slots people just love to vote early on). Today you are probably the one who is trying the hardest to get the game moving, so if I was going to null read your play on D1 I sure am TRing you on your D2 play.

So there! Now help me see the light by poking wholes in my short analysis on whomever you wish to. Just don't try to use something that could be seen from a different angle, because as long as it's debatable then I am more likely to hold on to my own view. But tell me "this is wrong because..." and I'm game.

Fine!

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry for the fuss.

a50 TR'd LUV slot the entire time for the billy reasoning.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, I'm not interacting with you anymore so please stop spamming the thread with your repeated nonsense.

This is why Tchill's self-meta should be thrown in the rubbish bin where it belongs:

At one point I played about 70 percent of my games with boonskies (love that guy) and I literally would just concentrate on manipulating his familiarity with me. Won 2 scum games off of it. Fun stuff.

where is your gobble/luv cant be scum case?

[Tchill13]

Iconeum

Luca Blight

Alisae
Klick

Emperor flippyNips

Datisi
Almost50

Tchill13

Fine!

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry for the fuss.

This is most defeated I’ve ever A50. I don’t know what to make of it because I wanna just write it off as town.

I still find Gobble’s claim weird and the more I try to wrap my head around it, the more I want to lynch it. I’m not sure if he’s scum for only being able to use his role on Night 3 because red herrings and wine exist. I just believe that the NRG wouldn’t gate a bodyguard when a mailman is the only other power town has. Feels unnecessary which is why I asked if he was elite.

I’m not sure if it was you Datisi but if you’re just going to call my content word salad and disregard, how are you ever going to actually sort me?

I’m fine lynching in Datisi, Gobble, and Iconeum today. I need to reread this Day 2 to really solidify or disconfirm my dislike of tchill’s play today.

Why can’t Gobble be scum?

I think Gobble’s role doesn’t make any sense with mailman or his modifier.

Also I feel like when we get close to lynching someone we get distracted by something shiny and then go off the rails. That usually leads to mislynches like Flippy.

And it’s not just the claim. Gobble has done zero scum hunting. His entire ISO is just mechanics and style.

If you two are just going to be brick walls and repeat the same play that essentially got Emperor lynched than I’ll just do the same.

VOTE: Gobble

Or he’s scum because despite his claim, his play seems designed to look busy.

There was no risk to claiming there because of how A50 replaced out.

No there’s a difference between being busy actually playing and looking like you’re busy. The two massive posts he made are the latter.

What exactly is Datisi town meta again?

VOTE: Datisi

even though he ends up voting datisi i think there is enough a50/gobble pushing to believe this slot isnt scum with that slot.

i'll iso gobble now.

[Tchill13]

For these reasons, I believe this should be our kill order {LUV, Datisi, Luca Blight, Klick, Tchill13} with the scum team more than likely being LUV/Datisi.

VOTE: LUV

gobble comes out guns blazing at luv.

[Tchill13]

Ok. I caught up to like page 75.

Datisi and Klick had the worst votes on the Flippy wagon. The way Klick handled that end of day wagon gives him strong scum equity in my mind. Datisi's vote also seems like self preservation and it swung the momentum onto Flippy. If there's anything that anyone wants me to look over, please let me know. I'm not going to spam the thread though especially when we are so close to deadline and really just need to be focusing our efforts.

That being said, I think this is the correct play for today.

VOTE: Datisi

ah the flippy wagon is what changed gobble's mind about klick. He had luca has more likely to be scum in his list but i guess this is where it changed.

[Tchill13]

That’s what it sounded like Tchill wanted. Plus I’m pretty sure I have the scum nailed down to {Datisi, Klick, Luv} so I’m personally happy with day ending whenever

I would say that Datisi/LUV is my strongest pick for the scumteam, but if I am wrong about one of them then it is Klick. Driving home, but from what I remember they have been throwing out townreads on one another and given the game state and my own reads I find that peculiar.

Hmm.. Maybe Datisi is town afterall.

VOTE: LUV

This is L-1

Yeah I’ve been fooled twilight by scum, but I would have rathered lUV

If you’re town datisi I will carry on your will

Question for Gobble: from the tone of your posts you seem to believe I’m Town. Can you confirm whether this is the case?

Yes, this is the case. Based off Datisi flip, I think the team is LUV + Klick. In hindsight, this team looks fairly obvious. I'm just waiting for the mail to get to put a bow on the game.

I admit I may be tunneling but I know I’m town and have pretty strong townread on Tchill and a town read on Luca. By POE it is you and Luv

so this pretty much makes a gobble/luv team impossible. especially when you consider LUV's post with this set of posts from gobble.

[Tchill13]

its either Luca/LUV or gobble/Tchill FOR SURE.

[Tchill13]

Tchill, I'm not interacting with you anymore so please stop spamming the thread with your repeated nonsense.

This is why Tchill's self-meta should be thrown in the rubbish bin where it belongs:

At one point I played about 70 percent of my games with boonskies (love that guy) and I literally would just concentrate on manipulating his familiarity with me. Won 2 scum games off of it. Fun stuff.

self meta is shit anyway. Im simply asking why i do things a certain way this game and i cant get a good answer.

[Tchill13]

its either Luca/LUV or gobble/Tchill FOR SURE.

lets see... klick when did you get your PM stating you received a letter?

I ask this because if you got it with time left in the night phase...

then scum would have gotten it then also. Which means "hypothetically" I and gobble would have been able to tell one another if we got the letter. This scenario would make more since for scum to open the day pushing someone before the announcement of a letter.

if you got the letter at the beginning of d3 scum would have gotten the letter at the beginning of d3 and would have to let the other know in the game thread, which would mean scum would have a lot to lose by pushing hard before everyone has posted and not mentioned a letter. So wouldn't you think scum would wait to hear about the letter before pushing someone in fear they push the player that received the letter if you received the letter at day start?

if you got the letter quite a bit of time before the start of d3 then this "point" im trying to make is pointless.

[Tchill13]

When did you receive your Track PM, Tchill?

"its bullshit if you recieved it at the beginning of the night phase"

"its bullshit if you recieved it at the end of the night phase"

I'll answer if luca ask. Go back to your hole i didn't ask you come out of. PLEASE stay there.

[Tchill13]

i will if luca ask.

screw you luca.

[Tchill13]

if klick ask lol.

[Tchill13]

ok you're really close to making me say fuck you dude.

i meant i'll answer if KLICK ask.

i did get it right when i said screw you LUCA.

i DO know when the mod sent ME MY result.

I'm asking klick specifically when he got his.

you lied, you promised you wouldn't interact with me. I was starting to have fun again. Please go back to your hole.

[Tchill13]

I’m traveling atm so will keep it short: I am willing to bet the game (to use a popular phrase) that Icon, Klick and Uzi are Town.

Scum is therefore, from my perspective, among Tchill, Datisi and the A50 slot. Right now I’m feeling the Datisi/Tchill possibility, but I’m willing to consider it could be another combination.

I will give further thoughts/elaboration when I get home.

The fact you're still pushing the Klick thing just screams scum to me anyway - if you were being objective about your reads you'd see he's obvtown.

He was the one that initiated the mass-claim which cleared Icon. He was the first to clear Billy/Uzi as Town. He is the one who has given more perspective to the A50 slot when he was about to eat rope. He is the one who has genuinely tried to sort between Tchill and I, by considering Tchill missing Icon's claim and considering my D2 play as not making sense coming from scum.

You TR Ali because they would have had to have a convoluted game plan as scum, well how convoluted would Klick's game plan have to be as scum? He wouldn't have had to do half of this consideration and deliberation.

Datisi/Tchill makes more sense, but if you are Town then from my perspective it has to be Tchill/Gobble.

Is that not clear to you?

Perhaps you or Tchill would like to answer this: If me and Klick are the scum team, why would we not have just lynched in A50/Uzi today?

Furthermore, why would we have come to the conclusion, when others have opposed the idea, that the Uzi slot is Town?

Moreover, why would we have actively taken steps to clear Icon?

Additionally, why would Klick be deliberating over Tchill missing Icon's claim? Why would he even bring that up?

Is there any reason you have no suspicion of Tchill?

I could be wrong, but I can't recall you explaining this.

I'm getting there, Tchill.

I've Just returned and am reading through again now. I don't want Icon or Uzi lynched today, so I'll be looking at Klick, Tchill, Datisi and Gobble.

if tchill/gobble is scum then town only has 1 pr.

I took an incredibly stupid risk pushing klick at day start (because the letter hadn't been announced yet, klick TR'd gobble, and klick also thought luca/LUV was the most likely scum team.) of course this is apparently worth "keeping my options open".

"keeping my options open" refers to the idea that tchill/gobble would risk losing the ability to work with klick to try and get Luca to vote LUV after these posts were made at the end of d2.

[Tchill13]

Based on 1905, not sure how much Town is Icon feeling in A50

And why do you feel LUV is Town? You said yourself Billy was less Town than we thought. I still feel like LUV is giving vague, overly wordy answers.

I'm not feeling Tchill as Scum, but I can try to look into him later.

Aaaalrightly then.

Wish I could lock down Klick/Luca upon my Green flip. But the way LUV is playing is making me so uneasy I cannot grant him a TR.

Luca also believes A50/LUV Is town.

I've actually said I'm still not entirely sure about Gobble. If I'm wrong about the Datisi/Tchill scumteam then he must be scum by PoE, from my perspective.

This however, which gives me vibes of setting up Gobble's mislynch tomorrow, makes me feel better about Klick/Luca.

Dope.

My final guess is {Klick, Luca, LUV} in terms of most to least likely to be scum.

Icon comes on in some hour and a half. He has my blessing to drop the hammer, I've got nothing left to say.

Lmao okay
Because Tchill/Gobble makes perfect fucking sense

Inb4 Luca and Klick have an "argument" tomorrow about which of Gobble or Tchill is scummier until they fish out a vote from someone

Tchill has done nothing for me to see the scum agenda behind. He wouldn't be getting into this mess if he were scum and I were Town. He would've just let me die.

Scum!Tchill would've just let me get lynched.

Ans of course he's trying to work with your perspectives. Both of you are set on me being scum but have no idea on who my partner is, nor any interest in presenting a case.

My guess is Gobble/Luca.

LUV/(Luca or Klick). I've been saying this.

ok so once again. I've reiterated for the 5th time why tchill/gobble doesn't make sense for me to push klick opening lylo. (if some of these posta are confusing click on it and read in context. Some are sarcastic and support datisi believing gobble/tchill town)

Luca has mentioned I've been arguing with my scum member "cant choose who you play with"

1st of all why don't me and gobble try to let datisi live here? Now that you know datisi is town and that she isn't scum with me why would I lynch her as scum here? If i hate my partners play I bus gobble. Kill Luca and its off to the races.

[Tchill13]

@datisi Sorry for going crazy at the end of d2. If town loses its on me for that alone. Should have tried to keep you in the game but was too focused on trying to work with luca. I deserve what I've had to deal with in lylo.

@alisae sorry for "shitting" on you earlier. Takes a shitty person to attack someone who cant defend themselves in the moment. You nailed the scum team d1. Thats why you're "that good"

@icon sorry for giving you shit and being toxic in general. I really let this game get a hold of me in the worst possible ways.

@luca sorry for being so toxic. You're scum, which means all "ugliness" is permitted. I would have blacklisted you if you were town here but I don't have to worry about that.

ok I think thats it. I'll wait on klick now.

[Tchill13]

Honestly team is probs luca/luv

Honestly team is probs luca/luv

fuck it


VOTE: Luca

LUV
Datisi
Luca
(Klick)

I think both scum are probably in this pile
Gobble could still be added to this, kinda. I guess.

LUV/(Luca or Klick). I've been saying this.

all these ppl are dead. Im not saying they've been nk'd, but they are dead. Once again. What a shit show of a game from me and gobble.

The other scum is probably Tchill, but could conceivably be Klick.

I'm with you, Luca

the only person that agreed with icon slightly was the invest (which had to die)

between me opening on klick, lynching datisi and now this...

idk what else to tell you klick. I will be happy to answer any and all questions.

[Tchill13]

"its bullshit that x happened"

"its bullshit that y happened"

I'll answer if klick ask. You will not recieve any info thats not directly intended for klick or gobble for the rest of the game.

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ohhh your'e playing scum poorly luca.

when are you gonna bring up how weird it is a scum team of luca/Uzi makes uzi do the kill when the tracker is pushing a klick/Uzi team?

I think luca is a scum PR. Probably wanted to do his action and let uzi make the kill because he thought i'd track icon.

back to ignoring you, just thought i'd try to help you play scum a little better.

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VOTE: Luca

[REDACTED] I received the message that I tracked Lil uzi Vert to icon.

Yeah I'm done answering any and all questions from Luca or uzi.

Hopefully you're still reading the content I'm providing. I definitely urge you to.

I also think it's odd uzi is yet to vote me if I'm conf scum

I asked Luca to case why gobble/uzi wasn't the team (he didn't).

I've tried to think of every possible angle. My pushes are born of uzi/x team.

Luca voted gobble and wouldn't tell me why gobble/uzi wasn't the team.

And if I didn't know scum couldn't use their PR action and make the kill then am I faking that or do I get town cred similar to Billy not knowing scum didn't have dayc chat?

I'm pushing so much "why would gobble/tchill do x" because it's really all I have for my defense at this point.

Idc if Luca ask credible questions. You've seen what happens when I answer. "it's bullshit" either way. Every.... Answer. So if you want to ask I'll answer. I'm done with Luca though.

No referencing timestamps.

-Chem

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We’ve seen enough man. As Luca said, all you’re doing is drowning the thread with scum claim after scum claim.

Hops in 2 hours after nobody has made a post to tell me to stop posting.

Dude has provided no scum hunting this day phase. All he's done is call me conf scum (without voting me I might add).

This entire game is hanging on Billy's interaction.

If you went by luv's play alone then there'd be no reason to TR this slot.

Luca clears this slot based on what the replace out did.

Luca condemns the a50/gobble slot based on what the replacement did.

LUV has effectively accomplished nothing since he replaced in. He hasn't scum hunted.... In lylo lol.

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I'm over this game. My temperament changed the moment I realized it was luca/uzi. I'm at peace with the game and I've apologized to who I needed to apologize to (I've been a huge asshole) but hopefully you don't start scum reading me because I'm not interacting with Luca or luv anymore. Why would I? They're conf scum.

And I did that, btw. I had to go and case why uzi/gobble wasn't the team. Luca voted gobble but failed to provide why it couldn't be uzi/gobble.

Also think it's hilarious that Luca's claiming he cleared you off an L-2 vote. I never quite understood his logic on that.

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You never said what time you got your notification of the letter klick. Which would validate my point of how incredibly dangerous it's be for scum to push someone before all ppl post and before scum have an idea of who may have received the letter.

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Good deal. Thx.

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Is there any reason for luv not to have voted me by now?

The jig is up right luv? You should have voted me the moment I claimed a "fake guilty" on you.

Are you afraid to do so now that Luca's vote on me?

Because you had a chance to vote me before that and didn't.

I'll interact with you if you're gonna play.

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You claim I should have reason to push you other than "inactive"

By all means please tell me what you've produced that will help town win this game.

Tell me what distinctions you've come across before others had. What events you controlled or decided.

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I have failed to see the game from your perspective.

Luca has failed to see the game from my perspective.

I'm calling for you to vote me in your next post also.

Seeing how ik gobble/klick are town.

If you don't vote me in your next post I'd like a reason. Then I'd like an explanation of said reason.

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@luv

What do you make of Luca voting gobble instead of me in lylo? Luca has sr'd me longer than gobble.

What do you think about Luca eating till klick claimed the letter b4 putting his vote on gobble. Definitely a safer play if luca is scum than to come out and vote gobble immediately right?

Nobody answer anything I've sent towards luv. If he wants to provide content then I've given him the opportunity.

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Rules

• Do not reference timestamps on any moderator messages.

y’all, please stop referencing timestamps from messages, even indirectly.

Hey man... Like... Luca's this desperate to win as scum here. Which is hilarious. Anyway, sorry.

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Somebody called for me to do that and I got scum read harder for not doing that immediately lol.

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I did ask klick about this though. I guess we're even. I didn't do it first though.

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Seriously,

if he were really the Town Tracker he would have come right out and answered surely and confidently the exact day, hour and minute he received his result

. He would also have had no problem paraphrasing what his message said, just like Klick had no problem doing this to prove what he's saying is true.

The only explanation is the obvious one - that

Tchill has entirely made up his claim

.

This also explains the fake VT claim, the unusual timing of his Tracker claim and the fact he left no breadcrumb.

lol

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I wasn't aware a scum pr could do his action and the night kill also. Am I town for that?.... I doubt it.

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Yes I'm maintaining my tracker claim.

I got a guilty on luv. I tracked luv to icon.

No I didn't Crum BEFORE mass claim. I literally said I feel like one of the vt's is gonna claim something different in lylo.

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We lynch A50 today.

Scum probably kill in (klick/luca/me)

LUV/datisi will, still be in the game 100 percent. If not then scum are killing off a mislynch candidate in lylo, which they won't do.

And I'm pretty sure one of the vt's lied and is gonna claim something in lylo. Highly doubt all those vt claims are true.

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Before? I forgot to. A very "foot in mouth" moment given how much I've roasted icon. I caught myself and tried to make the best of a bad scenario.

Once again. Another example of how terrible I'd be as scum if I were to do that and think it was a good idea.

There's much more "bad town" play in my game than "scum driven" play in it. Mainly because I'm town.

I just ask that you read the last 6 or 7 pages with "scum driven agenda or bad town play" in mind.

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That can really summarize the entire game.

Does tchill believe roasting someone for not crumbing for a majority of the game will allow him to fake claim in lylo without SOLIDLY crumbing before his claim allows him to get away with it?

Because the datisi lynch, the amount of dead ppl that read Luca as scum, waiting until lylo to claim...

Are all things that make Scum! Tchill's life easier if they happen the opposite way (I'd say faking 1 night action would be easy enough, and I'd have reason to live even had I claimed before this given icon is an invest)

So is Tchill's ENTIRE scum game based off wifom or not? And if I'm not scum with you gobble, who am I scum with?

One is the main question klick has to deal with, and both are questions you must answer.

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I was caught up in the situation and it honestly didn't pop in my mind.

I think it's becoming more evident you haven't read too much.

I've made the case for conf scum team luca/luv.

I even used your reasoning as why I shouldn't vote you so klick could be conf town. I knew uzi was scum due to a guilty.

So it's Luca/luv. My reasoning is why I'm on Luca.

You see.... A much better "fake track" than uzi would be icon. It's believable, it's what I should have done. It would give klick more confidence in me that I'm town because I'd be Conf towning klick on that alone. Then the guy that already thought it was luca/uzi would come into the day would be more likely to work with me.

So does my play make sense as either alignment? No.

But this is an abomination of a game if I'm scum here.

Lynching datisi (datisi was never gonna sr me), pushing klick at day start (he thought the team was luca/luv) claiming tracker in lylo (could have claimed it at mass for reasons stated in last post), claiming I tracked uzi (just stated why I'd be better off faking that I tracked icon, so klick would be more in line to back me up)

Where has all that "wifom" gotten me? It's gotten me to be suspect number one. I've time and time again explained why this play isn't worth the risk for getting "wifom points"

If these events played out the opposite way it just plays out way too well for Scum! Tchill here.

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Lol. Explain why I don't claim tracker at mass given that icon would be the reason I make it to lylo. I'd have to fake one night action.

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Wifom is all Luca can scream.

There's no scum motivational plays he can point out that genuinely benefit a scum! Tchill opposed to the opposite outcome.

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Yeah had nothing to do with the fact that I was still sus of icon and if I knew 2 or 3 others claimed it'd be too many.

Scum! Tchill never "makes it up as he goes along" sorry buddy. By PG 15 ik who I want in lylo.

If you're going to argue I missed the icon claim, saw the Ali soft and that's why I killed Ali instead of dragging Ali to lylo.... Good luck with that.

You've came to the conclusion that I ultimately missed the icon claim as scum and scum didn't talk about. So there's no reason for me to have missed icon but seen Ali.

Based on d1 Ali and Billy def both make it to lylo. I kill klick D2 opposed to icon. THAT'S where my version of wifom comes in.

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Klick has singlehandedly been the best town player. It's not close. I use that to justify leaving icon alive.

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Lol. Explain why I don't claim tracker at mass given that icon would be the reason I make it to lylo. I'd have to fake one night action.

You literally said earlier that if you were scum you would claim VT during mass-claim and then claim something else during LYLO.

You have made it up as you’ve gone along, basically.

Still screaming wifom.

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If I was making it up as I go along why push klick who sr'd luca/luv before someone claims the letter?

That's a perfect "wini it all" scenario for me but you act like I'd throw that away for "more options"... There would be no better option. That would literally be the best option I'd be willing to risk shutting the door on??? Especially if you're pushing me/gobble.

Your case for me/gobble isn't even that substantial if you don't leave a vote on gobble in lylo.

You have no idea when luv will post. I voted him. Have a guilty on him. What you did is all you could do in terms of defending luv.

The only case for gobble/tchill is the end of D2 where I flip flopped, literally said I'll lynch anyone, then ended up choosing someone who had me conf town opposed to trying to lynch someone else or bussing my partner.

If my partner flips scum it's makes my claim more believable in the since that only 2 PR's would have been in the game. There's a whole lot of reason to bus there.

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Oh please. N3 BG mixed with an even night tracker (both have 1 action and 1 action alone) makes sense. The invest had multiple uses. That's why I was more sus of the invest.

I'll give you this. It technically is wifom. That said nothing I've done for wifom is worth risking the great position I'd have been in had I not done every single one of these negative actions towards scum! Tchill.

Instead of answering me you're nitpick branches of my arguments to go down.

You refuse to engage because you just say it's wifom and pointless when in reality you know I have a point.

I really don't understand why you're engaging with me anymore unless you know I'll respond and you're just trying to make the thread unreadable.

Please stop posting if you're not talking to klick or gobble.

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If you want to case then case. I asked you to case gobble/luv and you refused. I had to do that. I asked you several things and you scream wifom because you don't have a legitimate answer as to why scum! Tchill does these things.

Scum! Tchill would have been in great position up until the datisi lynch. Then I claimed tracker in a questionable manner. Then I pushed klick before anyone claimed the letter. Then I made the progression of klick/luv to Luca/luv to gobble/luv. I cleared klick. I cased gobble/luv and why that can't be possible.

I'm now back to luca/luv.

The datisi lynch/Ali kill proves I haven't had a "plan".

The claim then immediate push of klick in lylo... Imo proves I'm town. Of course ik it's not that easy to see from klick's pov.

Take your time klick.

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Please stop posting.

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Actually.... Case gobble as scum independent of me.

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So you're confident town only had one PR this game huh?

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OK. When did we start playing 9 player minis opposed to 13? I'm about to check and see how many times there's been 1 PR in the 9 player setting.

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OK I'll check a plethora of newbie games too I guess then. See how many times 1 PR games pop up. Or would you like me to leave that out?

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Looks like we're including newbie games. Good to know.

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i went all the way back to 1874 (a few games were missing) in the mini normal que. Date: Jan 25, 2017

There have been five 9 player minis (I thought the site changed 9 to be the norm instead of 13 recently, apparently not) idk how to link the games but you can go find them if you like to fact check.

2050: Mod never posted the PR's.

2086: 2 mafia goons/ 1 town PR informed

2081: 1 mafia goon, 1 mafia informed goon/ 2 town PRs 1 town enabler

2044: 2 mafia PR's/ 2 Town PR's

2042: 1 mafia 1 shot PR, 1 mafia goon/ 1 town 1 shot PR, 1 informed

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while there has never been 1 town PR in a game alone, there has never been 3 town PR's either.

that said there has been a 2 mafia goon game (the weakest mafia can be) and while town only had 1 PR apparently someone felt the need to add an informed townie into the game.

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in the newbie que it is specifically setup that 2 out of 9 possible game designs have 1 town PR alone.

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i went all the way back to 1874 (a few games were missing) in the mini normal que. Date: Jan 25, 2017

There have been five 9 player minis (I thought the site changed 9 to be the norm instead of 13 recently, apparently not) idk how to link the games but you can go find them if you like to fact check.

2050: Mod never posted the PR's.

2086: 2 mafia goons/ 1 town PR informed

2081: 1 mafia goon, 1 mafia informed goon/ 2 town PRs 1 town enabler

2044: 2 mafia PR's/ 2 Town PR's

2042: 1 mafia 1 shot PR, 1 mafia goon/ 1 town 1 shot PR, 1 informed

2086: 2 goons/ 1 town PR and 1 town informed. sorry.

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well... I cleared gobble/uzi as the scum team. I looked into the mini and newbie ques for 9 player setups...

and luca linked 1 game that fit his narrative without explaining the mandated newbie setup that is literally the 3rd post lol.

luca has done little to game solve in lylo. LUV makes Luca look like a workhorse though. Before anyone mentions gobble... Gobble declared VLA. Luv did not.

so apparently even though scum voted LUV... he still just cant find the motivation to play, or vote scum at all for that matter.

I think it's insane for someone to say irl maybe why LUV isn't playing. Dude never posted VLA. This game has been going on for weeks and this has been his trend.

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I specifically wnet to the "game Over" section in the mini's btw. Which is why a handful were missing I suppose.

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I still think it's not the case that 1 sole pr is possible.

Given that 2 mafia goons was a confirmed 9p game and town had more power than just 1 town pr. It's a fact.

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If you want to act like mods treat balancing newbie games and balancing normal games the same...

You go get some rest. Ik you're tired. You solved the game d2 and I've gotta be tiresome to deal with.

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Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.

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i dont think a n3 PR is too strong given it may not even be used. Realistically you could treat this game as a 2 PR game. Especially when one that will definitely be used is a 1 night only PR.

did you miss where the newbie setups were mandated? the 3rd post. Why not mention that?

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Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.

I would be fine with him voting you, but It's up to him how he votes.

why wouldnt he vote conf scum? its odd that he didnt vote me immediately isnt it?

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And once again... Bus my idiot of a scum mate to keep datisi in the game and get me some cred. It'd make sense for me to lynch datisi for no reason if she thought I was scum.

You repeatedly keep pointing out I lynched datisi for no reason, someone who had me conf town lol. If I hate my partner I just bus there my guy.

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i dont think a n3 PR is too strong given it may not even be used. Realistically you could treat this game as a 2 PR game. Especially when one that will definitely be used is a 1 night only PR.

did you miss where the newbie setups were mandated? the 3rd post. Why not mention that?

Luca you should be OK with luv voting me seeing that you believe luv and klick are town.

Can you call on luv to vote me also? Effectively clearing gobble/luv.

I would be fine with him voting you, but It's up to him how he votes.

why wouldnt he vote conf scum? its odd that he didnt vote me immediately isnt it?

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Aight Imma head out. I try to engage and you diss.

"it's bullshit if x happens"

"it's bullshit if y happens"

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It is not possible for town to only have 1 PR. A setup with 2 mafia goons still had town stronger than 1 PR.

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I'm pointing to an example of scum st their weakest in the actual que we're playing in, you're pointing at mandated setups in a que that's setup so ppl can specifically learn how to play the game. (I didn't know it was mandated)

If you ask me both are weak, but mine is stronger given its where we're actually playing.

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Where did I bus gobble? Since that was the plan.

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Ah the plan changed, convenient.

I'd say one could argue that I'd dislike gobble as a partner just as much. He CC'd his own slot then comes up with a unique mechanic nobody liked. Pretty much all he's done this game. What's to like about that more so than A50? At least with A50 I have a partner ik is OK with me bussing. I'd have no clue how gobble felt about that.

Looooving the fact you drop entire conversation pieces when I win that argument btw. It's very enjoyable.

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In order to assume Icon is town you have to have a scumteam that chooses to kill Alisae over a claimed Cop. The options for that are slim, methinks.

Yeah but sometimes scum get scared that a protective is on the only claim d1. So of course Ali is the next option.

Hell it might be a good idea to mass claim atm considering the predicament icon has caused.

Doesn't look like I was against mass claim.

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UNVOTE:

OK I'm down for mass claim. Klick is making sense.

@icon. Idc if you're VLA or not. You made a fucking terrible, anti town, selfish egotistical play just because Alisae was in the game.

Luca is never gonna stop pushing me. That's fine.

I'm just locking in icon/Luca/klick as town for the rest of this day phase.

Idc if I'm wrong anymore. That fear is the only thing keeping me from locking you 3 anyways.

I've never went back and forth in a single game on 2 slots like I have Luca and icon but my gut tells me they're town.

My head tells me they're extremely frustrating and I hope they're scum but that's almost never the case here.

Town are always more frustrating than scum.

I'd like A50 then LUV to be the first 2 claims.

Well I did have one post stating I didn't want to put the protective but I ultimately agreed to mass.

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I... Just said I said that.

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I literally just said I said that lol. A whole 3 minutes before you posted.

"it's bullshit if x happens"

"it's bullshit if y happens"

You'd discredit no matter how I agreed to it. I agreed to it because of klick's reasoning.

Dropping more convo pieces btw. This time it was why gobble isn't much better than A50 in terms of a scum partner.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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Man can you find a 9p that has 2 goons and one PR? I specifically avoided 10p games but I can go back and check those?

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Pipe down? Lol. You're not even looking at the same game type or in the same que.

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No. You can infinitely increase mafia power to balance that.

You can't go any lower than 2 goons.

In the normal que... The que we're in now.

It's also a 9p game. Just so you know.

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So 1 strong PR. 1 that only acts one night and one that may not even act on the single night that it's supposed to.

Ooh such a strong setup. No way 2 mafia could be that powerful.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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damn, luca got me.

20 fucking 14 lol. thats entertaining.

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gobble said he thought 3 town PRs was a norm. we'll have to see about that.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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The DaTitsi lynch, opening the day pushing klick, effectively polarizing my best shot at winning this game with scum! Gobble, not claiming tracker at mass given how easy a fake claim that would have been to maintain and how much more believable I'd be atm.

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Klick already knows why I wouldn't kill Ali there lol.

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I'd have to go back and read d1. Wouldn't kill ali/Billy or A50 though.

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Probably klick given Ali thought you/luv was the team.

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Nk klick n1.

NK icon n2.

Ali is conf town. Let Ali decide the game for me.

Probably try to lynch datisi D2 so the threat of luca/luv is possible to Ali still. Bank on the fact that ali's ego doesn't let Ali reassess the situation.

I probably claim something at mass given icon gives me a reason to survive n2. Make sure gobble or A50 doesn't claim anything.

That's the rundown of tchill/gobble

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Actually I probably wouldn't claim. Because a n3 BG claims from a slot not gobble since that's the setup here.

[Tchill13]

So I waited to see if I could claim tracker... My partner is replaced and the replacement immediately foils my claim plan... Then I go along with my claim plan despite it implicating both of us specifically due to too many claims?

OK buddy.

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Gobble, I suspect your activity in this game has a very negative trendline.

you realize im as conftown as the mod on gobbles scale right?

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am sad klick doesnt want to talk to me anymore.

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So basically your case on me is I missed 2 claims. I threw everything away for wifom. My ignorance of the setup led me to be obv scum...

Ouch. That hurts that you'd even say that to try and get a win.

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You know what else is a big deal? When mafia had 2 goons town had more than one PR...

In this half of the decade.

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Why should I? Luv isn't gonna post. Dude would have replaced out if he were town.

"I can't find the motivation to get into this game as town." site flakes. Checks in occasionally, enough time to post is enough time to replace out. Wonder why he never does...

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I wonder if I've ever fake claimed a PR as scum? I don't think I have.

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I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.

Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm

I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.

So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.

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LMAO THIS MAN UZI CONTRIBUTED MORE THAN GOBBLE LOL. dude what happened to leaving the thread alone? What happened to not responding to me anymore?

Please go away. I literally want klick to answer my last post and I'm not posting anymore unless klick or gobble ask me something.

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On that basis Billy wouldn't have replaced out if he were scum, or are you ignoring that one?

Uzi has contributed more than Gobble since his replace in.

I wonder if I've ever fake claimed a PR as scum? I don't think I have.

That explains how unconvincing it was, then. At least it's good practice for future scum games.

More times than not you see newbies replace out of scum because they're uncomfortable with it. Of course you're gonna disagree.

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I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.

Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm

I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.

So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.

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You just have to have the last word lol. You're a piece of work. Might black list you even though you are scum.

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I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.

Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm

I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.

So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.

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You ppl are saying I FAKE a guilty on luv then APPEAL TO LUCA. that doesn't make sense as scum even for wifom purposes.

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I would like to ask klick questions before he lays down a vote. Of course we're never on at the same time.

Mainly... Why I'd push him to the wall if I'm scum here given he thought Luca/luv was the team AND nobody had claimed the letter yeah hmm

I'd like the answer to not include the word wifom. Due to the fact that if I'm scum with gobble you can, easily see there's no way I'm getting a better shot at winning this game. Luca tr'd luv hard. So for me to try and sell Luca on klick/luv when klick already thinks it's luca/luv literally makes zero sense from scum.

So please klick. This is the only thing I, want you to respond to. Ignore Luca's kicking and screaming about this.

@klick

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HELL YEAH LUCA LOST.

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I was fine with losing the game as long as Luca lost. My tone changed when I thought Luca was scum. Only reason I started.

The 2 inactives won. Pretty great. That's just run of the mill on this site.

I fake claimed to spite icon specifically.

The only ppl I care to apologize to are klick and Ali. The rest can never play with me again Idc.

But klick I'm genuinely impressed with your town game. Ali I'm sorry I talked so much shit.

Worst town game I've ever played and I'm not mad. Luca and icon lost. Gg inactives.

Fake guiltied scum and it didn't matter lol.

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I will give gobble/luv credit for distancing but ppl will never learn you can't just let certain slots skate by.

Klick you played remarkably well imo. Not sure why you think you played like garbage. I made things much more difficult for you. I genuinely am sorry when it comes to Luca and Ali.

I genuinely could NOT care less about Luca and icon losing.

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Oh and datisi. I genuinely apologize to datisi also.

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tbh I thought you were going to be a lot worse then I expected, but I wanted to play with Datisi atleast once before I never got the chance to ever again considering her life.
I would give hydraing with you a shot tbh

Thanks for the backhanded compliment lol. I'd imagine my rep on site isn't too great. I'm fine with my play when I'm not emotionally motivated though.

Icon is the sole reason I fake claimed. "fuck yall" is the moment I decided to do it. I probably never will again. Being TOXIC was kinda fun though.

(I'd be SO mad if luca hadn't lost btw, but ik I'd be to blame)

I can't BELIEVE Luca was town lol. I'm so happy.

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So many salt shakers in here angry that I got to open wolf.

Eh. Great job lurking to a win when a VT was practically playing anti town.

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@ali

Luca's D2 probably was decent. I really don't care.

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So many salt shakers in here angry that I got to open wolf.

Eh. Great job lurking to a win when a VT was practically playing anti town.

I only actually started lurking when Luca and you cross voted and I was only lurking because LUV has a weird schedule and impossible to coordinate hammer with. I was truthfully very busy from Thursday to Tuesday.

Lurkers gonna lurk then make excuses for said lurking lol.

Hey man great win.... Lurking... With your lurker buddy... When a VT singlehandedly decimated the game lol.

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I can respect the urge to just
want another player to lose.

I'm not fucking shit for this game.

I'm fucking shit for not realizing that gobble throwing out specific times was signaling to luv lol. That's how caught up in the toxicity I was.

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On that basis Billy wouldn't have replaced out if he were scum, or are you ignoring that one?

Uzi has contributed more than Gobble since his replace in.

I wonder if I've ever fake claimed a PR as scum? I don't think I have.

That explains how unconvincing it was, then. At least it's good practice for future scum games.

More times than not you see newbies replace out of scum because they're uncomfortable with it. Of course you're gonna disagree.

Sorry I replaced out. Ali kinda overwhelmed me with the posts early on. I have to admit I'm surprised how much credit those tests bought me.

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Luv will be insta tunneled and fake guiltied in every game I play with him and he's not active in from now on.

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I give gobble all the credit... FOR NOT BEING SCUM MATES WITH LUCA. THANK GOODNESS.

Ali I've never haydra'd before I may take you up on that.

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Tried to get to know Alisae and I'm not authorized.

What a bait.

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I'd play with most of you again I think.

Seriously hope I didn't rub you the wrong way but I understand if I did. I was impressed by your ability to stay lvl headed regardless of the game state. I also enjoy good players that are good with a play style I haven't seen work well before.

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I can't tell you why I did half the shit between PG 50 and the moment I thought you were conf scum.

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You were actually town and refused to work with me at every point...

Is it a big flex to say I fake guiltied scum? Asking before I rip my t-shirt sleeves.

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You claimed Tracker and maintained the claim while you were hard TR’ing me.

I’m gobsmacked you’re Town, especially after everything you’d said to Icon.

I loved every moment of being that hypocritical. I was banking on icon lynching 77 scum in a row after he tr'd my fake claim.

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Luca still flexing. How much are the tickets to this gun show? It can't be free. Too good a deal.

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You read gobble as scum because you thought he was scum with me. You tr'd klick and luv.

Tchill/gobble is all that made sense.

Keep flexing that POE read my guy.

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What if... If... I guiltied scum? Oh we saw that lol.

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I actually correctly tr'd you after that flip lynch omega lul.

You protected luv like he was a newborn pup.

I just tr'd gobble so you could be scum pretty much.

I loved every second of fake claiming to spite the fake claimer icon. I love twice as much that you lost that game Luca.

I'm like the batman that actually killed the joker. (no I'm not. It sounds cool though)

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"tchill has become the very thing he says he hates"

At least I'm not flexing a POE SR after a town loss Lmao.

Idk if I would have been OK with even winning. Luca would have won.

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I don't really black list ppl but you're more than welcome to do so.

I think ppl have bad moments. Ppl are capable of good moments also so I don't blacklist.

I was just pissed at you. I'm not anymore because you lost. I now know once you make up your mind not to work with someone nothing will change it. Even if they tr you after you push a team of tchill/flip.

So it's all good. Only because you lost though.

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That n3 BG claim got me hook and sinker. It was too simple. I like to have more control as scum if I'm gonna fake claim.

Ppl don't play alignments the same way though. A testament to my mistake. A testament to why Billy shouldn't have been town cleared on his "test".

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Lmao. The scum I fake guiltied "don't fake guilty"

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Town lost because klick and uzi refused to entertain lynching a slot that wasn't too active in A50 or luv.

That said, I have no qualms about klicks play ultimately.

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My motto from now on "just lynch scum. If town doesn't let you then fake claim and tear town apart."

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Yeah I played like shit. Ik I did. I made my peace with that when I apologized to everyone in the thread.

Just gotta play better.

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The problem tchill is that you could have the best reads in the world but it doesn’t mean anything if you can’t will people together.

I LOVE IT. I LIVE BY THIS.

Seriously. I think manipulation is the most important thing in this game.

Reads are 2nd.

That said how do I get ppl to lynch slots that are inactive? Time and time again I run into ppl that defend inactive slots saying I want to lynch them because they're inactive.

Effectively meaning they're refusing to lynch the slot because they're inactive.

HOW DO I GET AROUND THIS? I can't figure it out.

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The problem tchill is that you could have the best reads in the world but it doesn’t mean anything if you can’t will people together.

I think this is a problem a lot of good players have. They become too unwilling to work with town that they get isolated and it spirals them further and further into isolation across games.

Oh please. This isn't normal for me this is the only time I've done it. Don't be so dramatic. I've said exactly what you 2 are saying before.

Save me the "I won as lurk scum I'm all knowing" BS lol.

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This is fun. I wonder if everyone thinks this is normal for me or if I'll ever do it again lol.

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I am not aggro, I care. If I put 700 plus posts into a game I care. I just hate that ppl don't care enough to realize that letting slots slide through a game with no activity is not a good idea.

That fake claiming is not a good idea.

That refusing to change your pov to allow yourself to work with someone is not a good idea.

I'm like mid 20s. I realized not too long ago I have to share some of these games with young teens lol. So Idc near as much as I used to. I'll tell you that.

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@luv I was fighting you pretty well. Others were not and did not care to.

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Basically post #23.

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OK so... You gave me no advice lol. I tried to but nobody else did. How do I get others to want to engage inactive slots.

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What?... You didn't even do much lol... Anyway don't respond to that.

So before I lost my shit. I refused to SR Luca and I was locked in on getting one of you two lynched.

That produced no results. I'm really not sure what else I could have done even without losing my shit. That said, there's always something you could do better.

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Lmao. U wasn't calling you inactive icon.

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and the list as to why i wish players would only take the game they're in into account for reads...

grows.