Ali, I have great respect for you as a player so if you think I (and the rest of the wagon) think we are wrong, disprove it please
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:35 am
by Alisae
In post 521, Datisi wrote:Honestly, I'm not feeling too well about Icon right now. He started pushing me, and once seeing that I really had no idea what I'm doing, decided to drop it, since he could probably easily manipulate me into following him. But then realized others still want me to hang, so he had no choice but to join in.
show me this development arc you're talkin about here
hold on there dragonite i don't think i've even touched on what's so garsh darn bad about him
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:41 am
by Iconeum
Ali you've read the game yes?
Datisi wa being silent, I called her out to post something, she posted a (not so great) readslist and is now being pushed for the list and for her reactions to it. You call it a bad wagon, but have failed to point what is so awfull about it.
In post 361, Iconeum wrote:Why pressure Billy (my solid townread) and Nippleflips (not a bad choice, but your motivation was lacking), and NOT the slot you think was 'faking' it or who's post are 'devoid of life'?
In post 365, Iconeum wrote:Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town
Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'
In post 362, Datisi wrote:I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.
There are multiple instances (you even marked them red) where he says he is busy and his reads are a work in progress (which they should be?)
From this you make a story that says 'he's positioning himself as town leader' that doesn't make sense
You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree. You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.
In post 47, Klick wrote:Tbf I'm probably grasping at straws a bit, I've drank a bit too much tonight lol. But this game is stalling and needs to go somewhere
In post 51, Klick wrote:That's the whole point tbh, RVS is pointless but it's used as a starting point to get into actual game talk. I try to do my best to find something, anything, to work with from RVS. Though talking about it in this meta way probably invalidates a fair bit of that.
Someone come chat with me, I'm town and I feel like I can make myself fairly obvious town in this state lmao
These posts scream town to me
How do they scream town? They're NAI and contain almost no good content.
I disagree with this. It reads a lot like town, maybe we are looking for different things.
What the hell icon... A little AtE and datisi is town again?
That is a good point. The end of that interaction felt bad. Like not complete? Cos my feelings for datisi got worse by that point. Why did you change your vote icon?
Damn. But the waffle block...
I felt equally terrible about leaving Datisi be for now.
In post 449, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I see where tchill is coming from with his analysis, but I don't agree with him that this was a low risk look productive play from Icon. This entire gamestate has been convoluted and confused. There's been very little voting activity. The one time that Icon had cased previously some folks went over to Nips. I don't know that there's scum motivation to take that risk in the current gamestate.
'Not a lot of voting activity' did you even read the last couple pages?
Icon's motivation for Datisi:
My questioning of her is genuine. I think there's a lot of scum equity in Datisi, and her catchup post is just all scum. However, I'm a sucker for the ladies and I have a history with Datisi that makes me reconsider/hold back/use the soft gloves on her.
I thought that if I gave a bit of breathing room she would either continue to slip or start town spewing so I could better sort her.
In any case I have very little interest in letting a full slot get to D2 with TWO posts in ISO. That's bad for us.
Did I stop pressuring Datisi? Yes. Do I think Datisi is town? No.
I hope this answers all of your questions, if not, shoot.
With the inactive slot probably being replaced I feel fine with voting elsewhere
VOTE: Datisi
In post 498, Iconeum wrote:I think the catchup was really scummy, her readslist doesn't make a lot of sense and is very surface level. These are the reasons I pushed. I also strongly feel we should not be overlooking inactive slots, because they hurt town more in the late game then a scummy D1 slot.
My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.
When she reworded to 'reading fake' I thought OK, I could kinda see that.
I left her some room and went off to push out the inactive slot (which you'd be surprised at how often they actually start posting all of a sudden, so it's definitely not a waste of time).
In post 499, Iconeum wrote:Datisi has the most scum equity and should be the D1 lynch as it stands now, but I'd rather see more of Kop slot before that happens.
That's about as clear as I can make my thoughts rn
Datisi wa being silent, I called her out to post something, she posted a (not so great) readslist and is now being pushed for the list and for her reactions to it. You call it a bad wagon, but have failed to point what is so awfull about it.
You said I wasn't pushed for the readslist though, but for the motivation?
The more I look at that reads list of hers the more I feel like it isn't genuine. I feel like it was always her intention to jump on the Kop wagon eventually but she was concerned about picking the easy target, so she stuck a half-hearted vote on me instead and then allowed herself to be
talked into
joining the easy wagon.
and like
this is bad
really bad
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:47 am
by Iconeum
Datisi if you actually scumread me for my progression there you would never ever as town have followed me onto Kop there
Datisi wa being silent, I called her out to post something, she posted a (not so great) readslist and is now being pushed for the list and for her reactions to it. You call it a bad wagon, but have failed to point what is so awfull about it.
You said I wasn't pushed for the readslist though, but for the motivation?
yep
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:49 am
by Alisae
Icon so how do you start from 369 and 371 to end on 490
In post 361, Iconeum wrote:Why pressure Billy (my solid townread) and Nippleflips (not a bad choice, but your motivation was lacking), and NOT the slot you think was 'faking' it or who's post are 'devoid of life'?
In post 365, Iconeum wrote:Datisi you are capable of much better reads then that when ur town
Town!you doesn't just read those posts and thinks 'hey, he's using excuses to post less, this means he is position himself as town leader!'
In post 362, Datisi wrote:I've marked in red the parts that are pinging me. It simply seems as if he's trying to position himself in a "town-leadrer, voice of reason" position and to appear much more busy/credible than he is. Also note that these posts came after I nulled Luca.
There are multiple instances (you even marked them red) where he says he is busy and his reads are a work in progress (which they should be?)
From this you make a story that says 'he's positioning himself as town leader' that doesn't make sense
You also said you think his posts are devoid of life, which is ok to say but I disagree. You change your story to 'his posting seems fake' which is not a lesser degree of 'devoid of life', but something else entirely. You kinda had to change, because you know you can't sell his posts as empty.
In post 47, Klick wrote:Tbf I'm probably grasping at straws a bit, I've drank a bit too much tonight lol. But this game is stalling and needs to go somewhere
In post 51, Klick wrote:That's the whole point tbh, RVS is pointless but it's used as a starting point to get into actual game talk. I try to do my best to find something, anything, to work with from RVS. Though talking about it in this meta way probably invalidates a fair bit of that.
Someone come chat with me, I'm town and I feel like I can make myself fairly obvious town in this state lmao
These posts scream town to me
How do they scream town? They're NAI and contain almost no good content.
I disagree with this. It reads a lot like town, maybe we are looking for different things.
What the hell icon... A little AtE and datisi is town again?
That is a good point. The end of that interaction felt bad. Like not complete? Cos my feelings for datisi got worse by that point. Why did you change your vote icon?
Damn. But the waffle block...
I felt equally terrible about leaving Datisi be for now.
In post 449, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I see where tchill is coming from with his analysis, but I don't agree with him that this was a low risk look productive play from Icon. This entire gamestate has been convoluted and confused. There's been very little voting activity. The one time that Icon had cased previously some folks went over to Nips. I don't know that there's scum motivation to take that risk in the current gamestate.
'Not a lot of voting activity' did you even read the last couple pages?
Icon's motivation for Datisi:
My questioning of her is genuine. I think there's a lot of scum equity in Datisi, and her catchup post is just all scum. However, I'm a sucker for the ladies and I have a history with Datisi that makes me reconsider/hold back/use the soft gloves on her.
I thought that if I gave a bit of breathing room she would either continue to slip or start town spewing so I could better sort her.
In any case I have very little interest in letting a full slot get to D2 with TWO posts in ISO. That's bad for us.
Did I stop pressuring Datisi? Yes. Do I think Datisi is town? No.
I hope this answers all of your questions, if not, shoot.
With the inactive slot probably being replaced I feel fine with voting elsewhere
VOTE: Datisi
In post 498, Iconeum wrote:I think the catchup was really scummy, her readslist doesn't make a lot of sense and is very surface level. These are the reasons I pushed. I also strongly feel we should not be overlooking inactive slots, because they hurt town more in the late game then a scummy D1 slot.
My main issue reading those posts was 'devoid of life', while I thought the posts contained at least decent content and were definitely not empty.
When she reworded to 'reading fake' I thought OK, I could kinda see that.
I left her some room and went off to push out the inactive slot (which you'd be surprised at how often they actually start posting all of a sudden, so it's definitely not a waste of time).
In post 499, Iconeum wrote:Datisi has the most scum equity and should be the D1 lynch as it stands now, but I'd rather see more of Kop slot before that happens.
That's about as clear as I can make my thoughts rn
Datisi wa being silent, I called her out to post something, she posted a (not so great) readslist and is now being pushed for the list and for her reactions to it. You call it a bad wagon, but have failed to point what is so awfull about it.
You said I wasn't pushed for the readslist though, but for the motivation?
yep
Can you elaborate?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:52 am
by Alisae
In post 615, Iconeum wrote:I've already explained that I pushed Datisi, why I backed off when I did it, and why I hopped back on
quote it for me?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:52 am
by Iconeum
If you truly want to push me over this, it's not gonna end well I can already promise you this.
Especially Ali, if you choose to progress down this path instead of talking about the actual current discussions.
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:52 am
by Alisae
oh wait no i see it
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:52 am
by Alisae
In post 618, Iconeum wrote:If you truly want to push me over this, it's not gonna end well I can already promise you this.
Especially Ali, if you choose to progress down this path instead of talking about the actual current discussions.
