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Bitmap are you that strongly townreading Espeonage? Also, why Brian. I’m feeling null/light TR on him only.

Farkran should be hooded imo.

In post 550, Adorable wrote:

In post 499, Farkran wrote:Adorable, you have only elaborated your scumread of brian skies. What about your other reads? I see we agree about some of our reads, perhaps including brian himself, but i'd like to hear your perspective on the other names you mentioned.

Xtoxm - He said the role he got basically needs to be claimed saying if anyone needs their tier upgrading are to visit him and he also said even then, some abilities won't increase tier visitor for example, he's told wouldn't work. The claim looks really ballsy and I doubt scum would make a claim like this on day 1.

Norway - I liked his early scum hunting and this was when most of the pages were fluff at the time. He said he had early scum pings on Espeonage and Amrun. A few posts later he said maybe Espeonage is town and that looked like town who was trying to figure out Espeonage's alignment.

Bitmap - When I read through his iso his play looked town. I liked how he was interacting with players and #252 the reads looked genuine.

I agree that this is a good post from Adorable, and specifically wrt the bolded that's the same thing i thought.

Which leads me to ask, do the people wagoning xtoxm disagree with this?

Xtoxm, do you have any reads based on what happened so far?

Wrt the exchange Eragon vs Y&K, it feels pretty empty. One side is attacking the other based on shallow arguments, the other defends by focusing on poorly examined meta. Eragon comes out being right imo, but that doesn't mean Y&K is scummy for that reason alone. It would be compatible with a scum slot trying to forward a scumread progression for the wrong reasons though.

@Y&K can you produce a readlist?

In post 600, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Bitmap are you that strongly townreading Espeonage? Also, why Brian. I’m feeling null/light TR on him only.

Brian is just me compromising. His posts aren't that bad either. Do you think I should just rip the hood for myself?

In post 601, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Farkran should be hooded imo.

Ideally, I'd like to have Farkran in the hood.

I kind of want to take Farkran over Brian since I'm more familiar with Farkran and I think he's good in a solvey hood.

Yes, I'm very clique like.

I kind of like Esp's takes. They're very similar to mine.

In post 602, Farkran wrote:Xtoxm, do you have any reads based on what happened so far?

yeah i have a few stealth alt reads

kirari - krazy
shireen - joan/yume
wonder - alisae maybe?

so who does that leave, yumeko and time? hmmmm
i should have stealth alted in this game too

In post 603, Farkran wrote:Wrt the exchange Eragon vs Y&K, it feels pretty empty. One side is attacking the other based on shallow arguments, the other defends by focusing on poorly examined meta. Eragon comes out being right imo, but that doesn't mean Y&K is scummy for that reason alone. It would be compatible with a scum slot trying to forward a scumread progression for the wrong reasons though.

@Y&K can you produce a readlist?

Agreed. I think one party here is scum, but not both.

In post 597, Amrun wrote: I literally explained it in that post.

I could see it coming from scum worried about how they’ll be perceived for sheeping, so they must retcon an over-the-game consistent scumread.

Or, it could be genuine. But I chose to pursue it and see what happened.

Do you think anyone would invent that as an excuse to make a vote sound better? The explanation was definitely genuine, but that isn't AI to me.

In post 597, Amrun wrote: A. I don’t know why I would ever assume that and it’s usually a bad tell anyway.

Do you think scum wouldn't jump on a wagon forming on town? Or, rather: WHEN do you think that scum would jump on a wagon on town? Because at some point, i believe at least one scum is bound to be there - and even if the wagon is against scum i wouldn't discount that, although the timing of scum joining there would probably be different.

Rest of the post i do agree.

In post 598, Bitmap wrote:

In post 592, Farkran wrote:

In post 518, Bitmap wrote:I'm still baffled that I'm not the wagon because I think quantitatively speaking if you're going to push Y&K then you should be pushing me instead.

But I'm just used to getting wagoned in general regardless of alignment.

I definitely know where you come from. Why would you insist on your vote being scummier than Yumeko as a point of interest, though? What's the scum motivation for players to attack Yumeko instead of you, assuming you're both town?

I can think of one reason for this, let's see if your thoughts match mine.

Because I'm trying to trace back Amrun's thought process and thought that if I was in Amrun's shoes and assuming Amrun is town, I would probably think the blitz wagon especially on the later votes would be scummy.

Yeah, this, pretty much.

In post 601, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Farkran should be hooded imo.

In post 604, Bitmap wrote:

In post 600, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Bitmap are you that strongly townreading Espeonage? Also, why Brian. I’m feeling null/light TR on him only.

Brian is just me compromising. His posts aren't that bad either. Do you think I should just rip the hood for myself?

In post 601, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Farkran should be hooded imo.

Ideally, I'd like to have Farkran in the hood.

I'm ok entering the hood, my role could be useful both inside and outside of it. I would strongly advise against compromising on anything though, the chance of TvS between the candidates is significant, in my opinion, and besides that, i don't find the recent espeonage particularly towny. I am afraid that, being somewhat similar to me, he has a pretty huge scumrange. I am not back from work yet though, so i haven't examined any kind of meta so far - i'm just going with what i find in his ISO in this game.

In post 606, Bitmap wrote:I kind of like Esp's takes. They're very similar to mine.

Which leads to this: what do you agree with Espeonage on?

In post 609, Farkran wrote:

In post 597, Amrun wrote: I literally explained it in that post.

I could see it coming from scum worried about how they’ll be perceived for sheeping, so they must retcon an over-the-game consistent scumread.

Or, it could be genuine. But I chose to pursue it and see what happened.

Do you think anyone would invent that as an excuse to make a vote sound better? The explanation was definitely genuine, but that isn't AI to me.

In post 597, Amrun wrote: A. I don’t know why I would ever assume that and it’s usually a bad tell anyway.

Do you think scum wouldn't jump on a wagon forming on town? Or, rather: WHEN do you think that scum would jump on a wagon on town? Because at some point, i believe at least one scum is bound to be there - and even if the wagon is against scum i wouldn't discount that, although the timing of scum joining there would probably be different.

Rest of the post i do agree.

Early game like this I think it’s all a crapshoot and that wagon speed is a terrible tell in general.


And clearly, no one but Eragon is understanding what I’m trying to say, which is probably an indication I’m not explaining clearly, but I’m done trying and would like to move on.

Slept on it and I don't think I want Eragon right now

This probably ends up being best for poe VOTE: shireen

-K

In post 607, Xtoxm wrote:

In post 602, Farkran wrote:Xtoxm, do you have any reads based on what happened so far?

yeah i have a few stealth alt reads

kirari - krazy
shireen - joan/yume
wonder - alisae maybe?

so who does that leave, yumeko and time? hmmmm
i should have stealth alted in this game too

This post is underwhelming.

In post 611, Farkran wrote:

In post 606, Bitmap wrote:I kind of like Esp's takes. They're very similar to mine.

Which leads to this: what do you agree with Espeonage on?

We both had very similar takes on Adorable.

In post 613, Yumeko and Kirari wrote:Slept on it and I don't think I want Eragon right now

This probably ends up being best for poe VOTE: shireen

-K

May I offer you an Xtoxm wagon for his lack of actual reads by page 25?

I'm giving Shireen the benefit of the doubt for having hydra issues for a good chunk of this day so far.

Our ability implies it can be improved and so far x is only one who says they can do that. Kinda feel like that makes x leantown off role? If there are unclaimed buffers maybe he could be scum I guess

-K

im not giving reads today outside of expressing who i support lynching
ive towned my slot sufficiently by claiming, there is no need for me to do more and im already at a >rand chance of being instakilled n1
since ive already fullclaimed, wagoning me does nothing. its either:
- busywork to look like you're doing something
- a direct attempt to delete a moderate to high threat to scum on d1
both are extremely scum motivated

X agree to trade? I can activate if you're down to gamble

-K

its a night action, so the decision doesnt need to be made now
but yes, you're the only one who reached out so my plan is to target you
if your action is a day action then i dont think its going to do anything, have you prodded the mod about it?
if you think it will resolve on n1 then yes target me.
if you think it will resolve during the day, then you probably have better things to do with it.

We don't know. Activation is during the day because you have to make a choice, but resolution *could* be at night

As I said weird role but given your role I am gambling on it resolving at night

-K

Xtoxm, you're no fun. Boo.

rereading, it says you receive in day and can answer in day but must answer before end of night

sounds like night action

-K

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