Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ame]

We specifically set out a plan where you were supposed to train.

[Ame]

Pink what is your current XP and did you bard Raya?

[Ame]

Also I wouldn't kill anyone. I would farm XP.

[Ame]

If I get mislynched, I’m taking you with me.

Not if you don't vote for the mechanic.

[Ame]

Why would we use the Punish mechanic? Scum has to use XP to make nightkills, we can force them to not kill because of lack of XP and get more days and more lynches, which are better than nightkills

How does this relate to the punish mechanic?

[Ame]

@Pink I see what you mean, but aren't we sort of just in the eliminate all the scummy players part of the game? I don't think it's necessary to prolong it. A kill decided by town is definitely better than a kill decided by scum because scum isn't going to kill scummy players only towny players.

[Ame]

I think it would be wise to simply lynch all the players who have forgotten to train. I think it's quite possible TSE is a mafia autofarmer.

VOTE: TSE

[Ame]

I investigated Titus ftr.

[Ame]

Although don’t expect me to kill anyone because I’d only want to kill Raven.
The optimal play here is to lynch Raven over me because Raven has more XP.
So lynching them kills me but me being lynched doesn’t kill them.
Alternatively it’s better to resolve both slots then just one.
@Ame if you believe me to be scum then you lynch Raven and she will take me out anyway.
I’m telling you though this game ends with a Raven lynch.

I'm fine with this.

[Ame]

Raven if you think TSE is scum, what is the issue?

[Ame]

VOTE: Raven

[Ame]

But scum having to decide who is less scummy or a bigger threat gives us more info. We would be making their job easier. Maybe I'm getting too paranoid and you're right about not prolonging it, but for me more info is always better

From my perspective, we have an overload of information currently. And since there is one mafia left and we are all essentially just voting the same group of players, I don't think we will get much from the wagons. I'm currently in a blitz mentality where we just reduce the pool and go from there.

[Ame]

Raven if you think TSE is scum, what is the issue?

VOTE: Raven

Will you stop helping scum and use your brain, unlike with Creature?

And don’t sign up for any of my games if we lose this because of you. I’m serious. You have literally the worst reads: Farkset excepted,

I don't understand the issue? You think TSE is scum. I think there is a good chance he is scum. Lynching you, we get a shot at TSE.

[Ame]

And?

[Ame]

Like @Ame, are you seriously not fucking reading the game? I have 4 XP because of getting a miscellaneous result on you. Please think. And why does scum!me not want to lynch Ali?

Why do you think you’re still alive? Because you’re fucking scumsiding. Of course, scum needs to keep you in the game, so you czn mismynch all the town.

I don't quite understand what you're asking me here. I don't think you're scum. You have enough XP to kill TSE from your lynch.

[Ame]

I don't understand your self-preservation.

[Ame]

I'll shoot whoever I want though, I'm telling you now.

Just know that Titus was home last night so likely didn't do the kill.

[Ame]

Raven I'll leave it to you to decide between TSE and NK with your vengeful kill.

[Ame]

NK it's time to make your dream come true. All aboard the Raven train!

[Ame]

Ame, you promised you'd listen to me after the Creature lynch. Why are you ignoring me again?

I said I would follow you if you lynched Creature. You didn't keep up your end of the deal.

[Ame]

Raven I'll leave it to you to decide between TSE and NK with your vengeful kill.

And if I venge wrong, why not just lynch one of them and if game doesn’t end, lynch the other?

Because I will 100% flip town and scum will kill tonight, so you’ve got at least 3 dead townies if I venge wrong, do you not see that?

Titus, please vote no, PB is right,

I trust you! You can do it!

[Ame]

I never agree to vote my townreads unless deadline hammer.

Exactly.

[Ame]

Raven make sure to unsubmit your upgrade if you sent it in so that you're not at 0 XP upon lynch (I'm not sure which would come first).

[Ame]

Raven make sure to unsubmit your upgrade if you sent it in so that you're not at 0 XP upon lynch (I'm not sure which would come first).

If I’m dead, why does it even matter?

For the vengekill

[Ame]

Why are you freaking out?

This. I really don't see today (or yesterday) as being that big of a deal who we lynch. Raven, I'm giving you the opportunity to single-handedly take out who you believe to be the last scum. I really don't see the issue.

[Ame]

It reduces the pool so I am content with that outcome. Believe in yourself, you can win us this!

[Ame]

With NK and Ali we should be able to hammer this.

@mod

how long after the lynch does the player have to decide who to punish?

[Ame]

Ok!

[Ame]

@NK @Ali

please join us whenever you are on.

[Ame]

I don't think there is really a reason to have PB as town. Creature seemed to think he was the last scum.

[Ame]

VOTE: Pink Ball

[Ame]

My reads are the same as ABR's, Titus.

[Ame]

I think the only way we get this "lynch" is by venging you ABR.

[Ame]

Ali, TSE didn't train last night.

[Ame]

Raya gave him the XP

would it make sense for raya to do that?

Yes. That was the plan. Raya was to give him 1 XP while he trained so he could upgrade today. The fact of the matter is this slot has had an excuse for not training 3 nights now.

[Ame]

The thing that irks me the most is I wanted a massclaim to try to get Ame, a player who mechanically understood the game, to use the mechanics of the game to snowball a win.
Instead they lynch Creature, a player who wouldn't fakeclaim this super op bullshit role, and is this super amazing op bullshit role

I think this is unfair because you weren't here to help me. I didn't know that about creature, and I'm not a mechanical solve type player. On my home forum, we ignore claims that aren't mechanically clear when it comes to lynching. Additionally, ABR's role could have made us all BPs or Body Guards, which seems like a lot of protection.

What do you think of PB agreeing with and joining the creature lynch?

[Ame]

BPs or Body Guards, which seems like a lot of protection.

Plus make him a doctor.

[Ame]

Let's try TSE + NK

[Ame]

what did TSE claim? And his actions each night? Was he questing?

-Nothing N1, did join quest
-Nothing N2
-Nothing N3

VT upgrades at 4 XP

[Ame]

@Mod

what resolves first if a player is lynched and upgrades during the day?

[Ame]

I'm a weak investigative as is Raven. Hers may potentially strengthen on upgrade.

[Ame]

I am a VT and I upgrade at 3 XP

NK's also upgrades at 4 if I recall correctly, so I think the discrepancy isn't necessarily telling.

[Ame]

VOTE: NK

[Ame]

If you want me and Raven to die you have to lynch Raven. The rules are clear enough. The upgrade is shown to me at the end of the phase but it has already happened so I have used all 4 xp for the upgrade and am now at 0 xp.

You can cancel the upgrade and shoot TSE.

[Ame]

Yeah, it's not final until the day ends.

[Ame]

NK is confirmed to have lied about not being able to cancel the upgrade.

[Ame]

This is the right choice. @Titus @Raven sorry for defending scum yesterday. Let's end the game.

[Ame]

I don't quite understand what is to be upset about, particularly considering that ABR was the counter wagon. The only difference between lynching the two is that I wouldn't come into the day shading you and Titus for being incorrect and ignoring my reasons for why he was town.

[Ame]

Because you ignored our reads and it was a really bad antitown play to mislynch Creature and you were disrespecting both me and Titus by ignoring it. I standby what I said about it and Ali even temp voted you for it, so it was a godawful mislynch but it’s way more likely that NK15 is lying about his upgrade than you treestumped a buddy.

I’m pissed because Creature was practically locktown for me, not one of the iffy slots I could have possibly been persuaded on and for all of the reasons I already stated. The mod would have also agreed to have given us an extension because of not responding in a timely manner to critically important questions but they told me, that they couldn’t cancel his lynch, even if he hadn’t had been flipped yet. To be fair to you, Creature was posting elsewhere when his being active in the game could have also made a difference. I get really upset when I’m extremely confident on a tr and it gets completely ignored like that. You even briefly accused Titus of having a tmi read on him, I think that angered me the most.

ABR is was lock town for me and you and Titus "disrespected" my read by ignoring how he couldn't be scum. Your PoE isn't the only one that matters. We all have our own perspectives.

[Ame]

PB you made my day, thank you [:

[Ame]

NK I intentionally haven't claimed, but I have a weak investigative and a passive ability (which I obtained from the upgrade). The 1-shot vigilante is what I started with and the investigative could be used once I successfully stumped someone.

[Ame]

Can u kill TSE?

This.

[Ame]

Can u kill TSE?

This.

Smh.

Is he not in your PoE? Who is left?

[Ame]

Can u kill TSE?

This.

Smh.

Is he not in your PoE? Who is left?

Ali and ABR

Shooting Ali would be fine too. I just think it would be a waste to shoot Raven. I'd like to reduce the pool for my investigative.

[Ame]

I was targeted for the kill last night. Both TSE and and ABR were home (Pink Barded me). So it's down to Ali and Pink.

[Ame]

It doesn't really make sense for Pink to Bard me if he was going to kill me.

[Ame]

@Ame how much Exp do you have?

Why do you ask?

[Ame]

I don't intend to claim unless lylo.

[Ame]

ABR, how come you didn't choose the gold ability? Pine said it would make everyone BP.

[Ame]

ABR what phase did you upgrade?

[Ame]

My passive.

[Ame]

Yes

[Ame]

No stop unvote please.

[Ame]

PB explained this a long time ago.

[Ame]

PB unvote.

[Ame]

TSE can you claim the truth behind your role?

[Ame]

At least y'all know Raven's town now.

What was the point of this?

[Ame]

To highlight the waste of time and antitownness of ABR's tunnel just to foreclose him from that avenue.

Was he tunneled on her though? And why would it matter if you think he's scum? It was incredibly unlikely that we were ever going to lynch Raven, so I really don't understand why you supported him shooting her especially when she was already town to you. Makes no sense.

[Ame]

VOTE: Ame

[Ame]

/replace out

[Ame]

Raven I found very few of the arguments you made this game to be reasonable. Additionally, your posting style is very spam-like. You spent pages discussing things we had already gone over multiple times (cases, mechanics, etc). Additionally, you're quite unfriendly despite your faults and it made it very difficult to play. I very much wanted to replace out of this game many times dealing with both heads of your slot, but the game was just so cool I had to stay. Very cool stuff S_S. I especially liked Creatures role.

[Ame]

Hehe I was wonder about that "Just to be clear Ame" post, PB.

[Ame]

+ing

[Ame]

I'm sorry you are hurt Raven, it's truly painful for me that you feel that way. However, I do think such experiences are necessary for healthy development. We all go through them. I make my post not out of ill-will, but with the hope that my take is something that you can reflect upon and utilize to strengthen your character. I am grateful for your apology; however, apologies without the accompanying behavioral changes are only half complete. There were many times where you said something mean to someone this game out of nowhere, and while you did apologize for a couple of them later, the pattern of lashing out and expressing remorse when pressed seems to be persistent and something I think you should work on.

I also think you should work on looking at the game from other players' points of view and from an objective standpoint. For example, your reaction to the Creature lynch and your continued justification of the reaction is unwarranted. We were always going to lynch a town member that day. Everyone was pushing town members that were within their PoE. Your PoE was not the only PoE. You and Titus were making pushes for NK and ABR, both players who I had argued were clear, at the time when I made the Creature push.

Lastly, threatening to blacklist someone for an in-game disagreement is wholly unacceptable and itself should be a blacklistable offense as it is using outside influence to affect the game. Please never do that again. Regarding the content of your play and playstyle, I'll do a full analysis if I find the time and motivation and private message you. If you have any further response regarding any of this, please PM me.

[Ame]

I skimmed this game sometimes
Voting whether to disable strong killing in a closed setup where you don't know for sure the game has even a single protective is weirdland

Strongman was a confirmed role. Where there are bees, there is honey.

[Ame]

Here's my pt btw: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=82708

Moriarty are you able to make it public?