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• Searching for a replacement for NotAJumbleOfNumbers.

In post 600, Datisi wrote:soon

In post 598, LuckyLuciano wrote:I am telling you, explicitly, that this would be helpful to me. Could you just assume that I have some degree of competence and amuse me?

In post 605, LuckyLuciano wrote:Do you believe that I am trying, to the best of my ability, to work with you in a way that is both healthy and productive?

Do you feel that you are trying, to the best of your ability, to work with me in a way that is both healthy and productive?

Does the lack of information provided by a GB townflip outweigh the reasons to believe he is scum?

In post 607, LuckyLuciano wrote:Mmk. I'm going to give the thread some room to breathe and allow others to chime in. Maybe working with you more indirectly will be more productive.

In post 115, Poyzin wrote:

In post 96, 72offsuit wrote:

In post 67, Poyzin wrote:

In post 65, QuantumQuasar wrote:Who's the best player here, imho it's either Notajumbleofnumbers or offsuit and they haven't posted yet

This post never comes from scum.

Explain.
You can't throw out a statement like this without clarifying.

Scum doesn’t call the entirety of the active player list bad, or at least that none of them are “the best” players. I don’t think I’m the best player here but it’s unnecessarily confrontational and scum does not benefit at all from posting this, especially when QQ was never the focus of the thread at any time yet thus far.

In post 124, Poyzin wrote:

In post 118, 72offsuit wrote:

In post 112, Poyzin wrote:

In post 81, 72offsuit wrote:

In post 46, Marashu wrote:

In post 37, Poyzin wrote: That’s lame. Fear active scum.

I like this post.

In post 27, Poyzin wrote:(Or at least, can you see the merits in how saying "I hope you aren't scum" can be interpreted as somewhat scummy? It's a phrase that I've used several times in my opening posts when I'm scum, because it could be interpreted as diet LAMIST from my perspective)

I've seen people do "I hope you're not scum" as town, but admittedly not on the first page. I'd place it as NAI right now.

In post 45, QuantumQuasar wrote:First poyzin says hello to everyone after a leave of absence because of some background check on strangers

Then Quick congratulates him for being active by awarding him town points

Then Bailey awards Town points to Quick for awarding town points

What's your take-away from this?

I like this post.

I find it ironic that you say “I like this post” when one of the parts of said post contained “I like this post”, which is the lowest form of demonstrating that one has an opinion. This is most certainly intentional, but what parts of the post do you find to be good?

I've found that players who gut-town-read short phrases such as "That’s lame. Fear active scum" tend to be town.

Also like MArashu's follow-up questioning to appear to be town-motivated "What's your take-away from this?"

To be fair I was getting a similar town ping so I do see what you mean, but I wanted to hear what you had to say. I found the second bit to be the most townie though, because they weighed both sides of an argument and made a decision on the matter, being that the phrase was NAI. I’d say that they’re a town lean for me atm

In post 374, Poyzin wrote:I’ve never played a game where I’ve been so obvtown.

In post 608, Quick wrote:

In post 607, LuckyLuciano wrote:Mmk. I'm going to give the thread some room to breathe and allow others to chime in. Maybe working with you more indirectly will be more productive.

Guess how many Non-Associatives your slot has?

In post 286, Poyzin wrote:

In post 283, 72offsuit wrote:

In post 217, gibus wrote:

In post 171, teacher wrote: I didn’t like Gibus’s unvote. And QQ townreading people for townreading him feels like genuine newbishness, but I would like a link the game that made you nervous of lolwagons, please?

I was responsible for lolhammering QQ. Needless to say I'm ashamed

In post 218, gibus wrote:It's an ongoing game. Is it allowed to post a link to it?

In post 219, teacher wrote:No, thanks for raising that question. TBH, he should not have discussed it at all in that circumstance. Discussion of ongoing games is verboten, and thats not a rule to toy around with.

In post 222, teacher wrote:Since you seem to be around, talk about your reads. What do you think Poyzin's interactions with Quick or Bailey? Anyone giving you the heebies (you unvoted, but havent really pushed in any direction). Do you disagree with the townread of QQ?

This is giving me scum to scum interaction vibes

Why do you think so? Did teacher and gibus really conspire to have teacher criticize gibus for talking about an ongoing game here?

In post 474, Poyzin wrote:

In post 472, LuckyLuciano wrote:

In post 470, Poyzin wrote:

In post 469, LuckyLuciano wrote:

In post 468, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:Luciano we left RVS like 400 posts ago

Okay then. I'll give my initial reads.

GeorgeBailey
Marashu
Quick
QuantumQuasar
Poyzin
72offsuit

teacher
NotAJumbleOfNumbers

How is GB your top townread, in no more than two sentences?

1. I am being rushed.
2. I used random.org.



How did I do coach?

If you're not caught up yet, that's fine. Just don't lie about a readslist if you haven't fully evaluated everyone yet. Nobody asked you to make it.

In post 565, LuckyLuciano wrote:They don't.

In post 574, LuckyLuciano wrote:

LuckyLuciano

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

- 145 is a good look. It's a true statement, so on its own it's NAI. However, when considering gamestate, this post equals an equity loss for scum and equity gain for town... I like 278. I don't like 279... 294 feels town... 337, I agree. The amount of strong townreads I'm arriving at is a bit concerning, but the amount of mindmelding I am doing with my townreads about their other townreads makes me think that I'm on the right track. This game is probably solved very early through PoE... 366, yep. Jumble is clearly aware of the scum equity loss in gamestate that I mentioned earlier when he made 145. If he's scum, he's working towards a gamestate that makes it harder for him to win.

teacher

- I understand what he feels in 55 WRT Poyzin. I'm not sure that his framing of Poyzin's player archetype is necessarily accurate though, which is probably why he has trouble reading players of that archetype. That's NAI, I just enjoy theory discussions... 171 still traces the way I'm reading the game pretty well. I'm cool with teacher being town for the day, if only because he's maintaining his sanity while surrounded by a bunch of crazy conspiracy theory level pushes... 326 and 328 speak precisely to how I feel the gamestate looks at the point those posts are made. The Poyzin vs Quick 1v1 drowned out all other voices to the point where if it's TvT, all scum has to do is not play the game. There are quite a few players who, 300 posts in, have yet to start existing. Why is that? Because town isn't forcing them to exist. I'm pretty confident that scum is within the lurkers... 339 coheres to the mindset read I've had of teacher, which makes me more comfortable extrapolating town!motive from his play... I see what he did in 410 and I love it. Traps are fun...

Poyzin

- I really didn't like how quickly he tried to get meaningful content out of me when I replaced in. For the record, I replaced in knowing that I was too tired to catch up immediately and never intended to contribute meaningfully yesterday. My opening posts were made to get some initial reactions to work with. This makes it odd that Marashu both asks if this is what my scum game looks like, and points out that I lean heavily on reaction tests while missing how my posts could have been reaction tests in 488. Anyhoo, back to Poyzin. I definitely found him to be trying too hard in my initial interaction with him, to the point of feeling LAMIST. However, I am currently at 49 and I have come to realize that he is always going to look like he is trying too hard and it's because of an overeagerness to solve the game. I think this coheres with the mindset read I got of him in his earlier posts WRT flaking from the site because he felt uncomfortable and also with how, in my experience, overeager town tends to tunnel in on things that are NAI and make fullblown scumreads out of them... 113 flags me as sus. I don't like that he feels a need to explain that he's being silly... 115, it looks like he took QQ's 65 personally. Subconsciously indicative of town!Poyzin. This is supported by the mindset present in 114... 174 I feel this. I like to talk to people in the dead thread. Poyzin feels a lot like town!me when I was a newbie (I have over 10 years of mafia experience, despite being considered a newbie on this site). I think that he thinks he's better than other players, and that's why he talks to spectators, because they are expected to understand him even when other players don't. This coheres with the mindset reads I've been getting so far... It looks like Jumbo sees this the same way in 208... I pretty much stopped reading Poyzin's posts somewhere after this point.

Quick

- I'm at 128 in my reading of the game and 547 with current discussions at the time of writing. In my experience, Quick picks a scumping and hard tunnels it for the rest of the game, refusing to look at anything else. He also throws his hands in the air and practically begs you to lynch him the moment somebody FoS' him as town. I need to look into his meta to see if he also does this as scum... I pretty much stopped reading Quick's posts somewhere after this point.

QuantumQuasar

- Gonna be honest, I don't really pay much attention to his posts when I play with him. I don't speak his language. 430 caught my eye though. It feels town for the same reason that Teacher and Jumble's approach to the gamestate feels town.

Marashu

- Not much felt AI early. 434, the reading of Poyzin vs Quick is becoming overwhelmingly TvT, and that concerns me. I feel that scum should be exploiting the gamestate is they are indeed TvT.

72offsuit

- I really don't like his early spew of posts. Not only are they almost entirely wrong on a theoretical level (unfortunately being wrong is NAI), but they don't provide meaningful content. They say, "I'm here", without saying much beyond that. This has me torn because when he does ask questions, he's asking the same questions that I want answered... 121 is okay. I think in general I don't read 72o and Quick as SvS... I kept reading 72o's posts for a while after this point but wasn't finding value and eventually stopped reading them.

GeorgeBailey

- Literally nothing groundbreaking all game. He just sinks into the background.

This is where I'm going to take a break. I wouldn't be surprised at all if {Marashu, 72o, George} is a winning PoE.

In post 619, 72offsuit wrote:I'm inclined to think that at least one of GB and Marashu are scum

In post 63, GeorgeBailey wrote:Poe's law is basically "People can't tell if it's a parody or not if you don't provide any indicator (like a winky face or /s or whatever)"

In post 45, QuantumQuasar wrote:@gibus remove that first vote please thanks

If this isn't a joke, i'd say this is the most suspicious post so far.

In post 620, Quick wrote:

In post 619, 72offsuit wrote:I'm inclined to think that at least one of GB and Marashu are scum

FTFY (Sorry I will try not to be a grammar Nazi).

But this really needs unpacking.

In post 621, 72offsuit wrote:I think I'm somewhere here:

QQ
Poyzin, Quick

LL/gibus

Jumble

Marashu
teacher
GeorgeBailey