In post 406, Mikul wrote:We have a 50/50 chance of getting it right
this poe pool of four people has been mentioned many times Day 2. can you clarify who this pool is exactly? by my count there are 5 non PR claims alive at this point and you have considered all of them at some point or another.
Anthony/ydrasse
nash
town looter
brassherald/LQ
votato/micc
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:23 pm
by Micc
In post 486, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I must not have read closely enough because I never saw the cop claim.
Was this true? seems to conflict with the timer expiration date in the mod's vc earlier on this page.
Ydrasse (3) - Lunatic, votato, Mikul
is a really interesting wagon to have with only hours left until the deadline. That's me and two confirmed town. So the flow of the game here is clearly that mafia are content with the presumption that Anthony/ydrasse will eventually get eliminated. Just have to solve who exactly that is. realistic argument could be made for any of the three off the top of my head, but I will probably reread day 2 with this in mind.
LQ - spends majority of his effort pushing votato, essentially a vanity wagon that was never happening. there's maybe some town points to be had for not hammering at (four hours? left in the day, but its also easy to see how he was leading himself into hammering.
TL - was on Nash but not pushing the wagon at all, and seemed pretty ok with hammering at imminent deadline where the options where ydrasse or him.
Nash - not around for the last 24 hours is a big sign towards being indifferent about the elimination.
having typed this out I think that the LQ / TL interaction at the deadline is unlikely to be mafia/mafia. It's kind of a dangerous time to be posting for mafia so the logical plan here would be to work out who is hammering in the PT and do it. the other person is conveniently not available. but also I just said not available was mafia indicative for Nash so I'm not completely sure how this holds up
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:21 pm
by Nash
In post 598, Micc wrote:
can you explain where this read came from and what changed to get to the point you're voting this slot now?
A night kill was carried out even after votato was jail kept, meaning votato can't have been the killer.
So the chances of him flipping red was 33%, and that of the other three was 55%.
Ydrasse flipped town, and brass gave me town pings. So I'm pretty sure you're scum.
In post 598, Micc wrote:
can you explain where this read came from and what changed to get to the point you're voting this slot now?
A night kill was carried out even after votato was jail kept, meaning votato can't have been the killer.
So the chances of him flipping red was 33%, and that of the other three was 55%.
Ydrasse flipped town, and brass gave me town pings. So I'm pretty sure you're scum.
Ok so why did the importance of the night actions weigh so highly on Day 2 if you’re throwing it out now in favor of confidence in your ability to read brassherald? While we’re here can you elaborate on why you as so confident in that brassherald read?
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:49 pm
by Micc
TL, you and I would hammer Nash if we were scum together yeah?
It’s 3 to lynch. The VC is a typo
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:51 pm
by Town looter
What I mean is I am assuming the 4 to eliminate is a typo, and given LQ posted in another thread around the same time Micc started posting, you are all but confirmed scum. I mean we may have to wait another real time day or so to confirm (mod confirm then LQ and Micc on at same time), but I am 99% happy to eliminate you.
In post 319, brassherald wrote:I'm not here as an SE to play the game for you, I'm here to help you get better at the game.
So, get better.
Spoiler:
In post 323, brassherald wrote:I can give you some reads if you really want, but it seems like I had been filed into the scum pile purely for not posting when I was VLA and also not posting during a low content Day 1.
I refuse to waste my own time, and from what I can see "active lurking" aka, not being on the site 24/7 or most weekends, has gotten me a scum read I'm not going to shake with any posts, so why bother?
Spoiler:
In post 330, brassherald wrote:Yeah, you guys were ready to lynch me without posting, so, clearly I should waste my time and effort actually working in this thread, that makes sense for me and my time management.
I have consistently held that my time is valuable and people consistently call me a jackass for not being willing to waste time.
So lynch me, deal with the green flip and move on. I'm not going to be apologetic for when Day 1 ended like just 3 days in, and Day 2 I've been labelled scum without any avenue to convince otherwise. Then, what? You want me to apologize for valuing my own time? If I don't, sure as hell no one else will.
Spoiler:
In post 332, brassherald wrote:I'm not saying my time is more valuable than your time, I'm just saying I value it too much to waste it on the effort of pushing a boulder up a hill just to have it roll back on me.
I've been down this shitty road before, I'll make posts, people will say my reads are all generic and I didn't do enough to invent the wheel.
I messed up by not expecting Day 1 to end a week early and I know the point where the reads of me are at. I cannot change anyone's mind at this point and anything short of finding the entire scum team with a guilty will just all lead to everyone lynching me and never reading my posts again because "I didn't add anything of value"
I didn't have my moment of clarity Day 1 that I sometimes get at the end of the day, so, now I'm a top scum read.
I've played this game before.
Am I the only one getting town pings from these posts? It's pretty anti-scum for scum!brass to have a
"don't care what others think, don't care if I'm liked, lynch me with surface level reads if you wanna"
attitude when there is an air of scum sided pessimism flowing in the thread. Ideally I think scum!brass would have thrown away the scumreads on him by focussing on the V/LA part and give town what it wanted by probably making strong cases to carry out a mislynch (not crap like 325), which I think he would have no trouble doing given that he's one of the most experienced players this game. I don't want to put my vote here, at least for today.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:52 pm
by Town looter
In post 607, Micc wrote:TL, you and I would hammer Nash if we were scum together yeah?
Yep.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:56 pm
by Nash
In post 607, Micc wrote:TL, you and I would hammer Nash if we were scum together yeah?
It’s 3 to lynch. The VC is a typo
This makes sense.
LQ isn't around here. VOTE: LicketyQuickety
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:58 pm
by Micc
I’m not quite willing to rule out LQ and TL as a combination based on hammer testing, but I’m also not sweating the Nash got on me as much as I was when I replaced in. That response about his reads doesn’t really track with me, and the votes do support him being mafia here.
Predit: he’s kinda forced into that vote yeah.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:04 pm
by Nash
In post 612, Micc wrote:I’m not quite willing to rule out LQ and TL as a combination based on hammer testing, but I’m also not sweating the Nash got on me as much as I was when I replaced in. That response about his reads doesn’t really track with me, and the votes do support him being mafia here.
Predit: he’s kinda forced into that vote yeah.
I'm sure the team is you and LQ. I don't see any weird interactions between TL and votato.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:05 pm
by Nash
And I guess Mikul isn't here. That's GG..
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:06 pm
by Micc
Do you see any weird interactions between my slot and LQ’s slot? If not, what’s the difference between that and the TL + votato(me) combination? If so can you point them out?
In post 612, Micc wrote:I’m not quite willing to rule out LQ and TL as a combination based on hammer testing, but I’m also not sweating the Nash got on me as much as I was when I replaced in. That response about his reads doesn’t really track with me, and the votes do support him being mafia here.
Predit: he’s kinda forced into that vote yeah.
I'm sure the team is you and LQ. I don't see any weird interactions between TL and
LQ
.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:09 pm
by Nash
In post 615, Micc wrote:Do you see any weird interactions between my slot and LQ’s slot?
In post 8, votato wrote:to the newbies: welcome! I don't recognize any of you, so I'm assuming we have some first timers. A few tips: this is mafia, people are going to accuse you of being a liar and a cheat. It's gonna feel bad. The sooner you can get used to it the better for you. People are also going to attack you for what you say. As a member of the town, you should be sharing your thoughts anyway, and with time you will learn how to share your thoughts without getting attacked.
You should take some time to carefully read the above posts and familiarize yourself with some of the jargon and guides, especially if you have no mafia experience or no experience with forum mafia. The SEs are here to offer help, but do not take our word as law. I think even if we are scum none of us would tell lies that would confuse you or make you bad players, but there is a decent chance that at least one of us is scum and will lie to you about some things. That said, you shouldn't hesitate to ask questions of each other and if the SEs. The two other SEs are a lot more experienced than i.
To everyone, but especially the SEs: please view this post as nai. Again to the newbies: don't assume that just because I'm trying to be helpful that im a townie. Is make this post a scum too.
In post 49, ArthurConyl wrote:@Mikul Alright, I do agree this game is a little too quiet. Spam away I guess.
@looter Same question as votato, why would you lynch me?
Partly a reaction test, partly because your posts could be newbie-cum-scum - your posts have a feeling of anxiety in them, you seem to want to make sure you fit in and say the right thing. My question of Brassherald was semi-serious as I am still fairly inexperienced and wanted to see if your two posts were worth caring about.
Underlined the bits I think come across as anxious:
In post 31, ArthurConyl wrote:Tbh Mikul has about 60% of the posts so far, slow it down please. Can't keep up! VOTE: Mikul
I know this is a dodgy tactic but I promise to unvote
In post 53, ArthurConyl wrote:VOTE: Town looter You've stated you want to lynch me without reason, and also voted Mikul pretty early in the game over metareading.
Also you've stated you'll be lurking the whole game.
Loads of anti-town plays that scum would do.
FoS: Town looter
Waaaaiiiit. Missed underlined in first skim.
Any reason you are paraphrasing what is fairly obviously a joke so critically?
Did you learn anything from the reaction test? This is good reasoning otherwise. In particular the nervous unvote usually comes from scum and scum have a hard time picking up on jokes. VOTE: arthur
In post 131, Anthony87 wrote:Sorry I didn't vote when I posted my last message, this is my first forum game and I honestly wasn't sure if voting before discussion about our thoughts was normal (I saw someone else use FoS without voting before so I wasn't sure). I was ready then and I'm ready now to L-1 Arthur for the reasons I posted before. Isn't it normal for people to claim when they get down to L-2/L-1? He just threw a tantrum.
VOTE: ArthurConyl L-1
don't care for this all that much. Still better than brass' vote
In post 173, votato wrote:yeah both anthony and brass really didnt do any scumhunting yesterday. brass was active lurking and LAMISTing pretty hard.
In post 185, Lunatic wrote:2 scum are within Anthony, vex, townlooter and brassherald.
and id remove townlooter from that PoE i think. i think.
In post 268, votato wrote:i still think looter is likely town. Im fine voting either brass or Anthony. I feel that claiming was a bit silly, you were both already town. Oh well. Dunno why everyone is ignoring vexossa. Definite room for a lurky scum there
In post 293, votato wrote:ok i gues ill defer to mikul and lunatic since they were both in that game with you and know you better. but i still think brass is the best lynch today.
Outside of RVS, votato never placed his vote on brass, inspite of having him under his radar for almost the entire Day. I can see a lot of subtle shading, but none actually look genuine.
You vote votato for his unvote and then throw more shade at him for pushing Anthony, which you say could have come from town!votato. The read based off of one unvote does not feel sincere at that stage, after which you proceed to fencesit. Votato's 380 was not good, because the continued refusal was what made brass look town to me. Neither of your meta reads are good. 461 and 462 just don't make sense.
It makes perfect sense to have some scum theatrics there since neither of you really had any traction to be eliminated.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:14 pm
by Micc
I will say, if you’re scum it’s impressive to have had that ready to go so quickly.
If the mafia team is me and LQ, why does that warrant a vote change from you in this situation?
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:16 pm
by Nash
In post 618, Micc wrote:I will say, if you’re scum it’s impressive to have had that ready to go so quickly.
If the mafia team is me and LQ, why does that warrant a vote change from you in this situation?
Because LQ is confirmed scum.
I would have been dead if it was You x TL
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:20 pm
by Micc
Oh yeah duh. I knew that and then promptly forgot about it because your perspective is not my perspective.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:23 pm
by Nash
In post 620, Micc wrote:Oh yeah duh. I knew that and then promptly forgot about it because your perspective is not my perspective.
Really? You forgot because you know you are scum with LQ.
In post 620, Micc wrote:Oh yeah duh. I knew that and then promptly forgot about it because your perspective is not my perspective.
Really? You forgot because you know you are scum with LQ.
I mean, that is an example of my perspective not being the same as yours. It’s the right example, but it is an example. This post kinda only serves the purpose of throwing shade at me tho. There’s no other purpose right?
I’m not the one voting you so I really have no say in the matter. But your responses to me trying to corner you here have satisfied me enough that if I was voting, I would unvote.
With that I’m likely out for the night unless LQ or Mikul show up. Hopefully the game isn’t over when I get back in the morning.
In post 620, Micc wrote:Oh yeah duh. I knew that and then promptly forgot about it because your perspective is not my perspective.
Really? You forgot because you know you are scum with LQ.
I mean, that is an example of my perspective not being the same as yours. It’s the right example, but it is an example. This post kinda only serves the purpose of throwing shade at me tho. There’s no other purpose right?
I’m not the one voting you so I really have no say in the matter. But your responses to me trying to corner you here have satisfied me enough that if I was voting, I would unvote.
With that I’m likely out for the night unless LQ or Mikul show up. Hopefully the game isn’t over when I get back in the morning.
