Silent Star 3: Royalty

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I will be so devastated if i misexec you

can you please do that thing you do when you need to show me you're good?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will take this as a personal loss if i misexec you regardless of what the actual game outcome is. help me help you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you can read my heartsong

just go in when i'm asleep and change the notes.

I will barely notice.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hey pooky I want a response to this.

I don't even know what you are asking me to respond to.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am the opposite of confbiased

i am filled with doubt and sorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky "remorse" AtEing while you keep pushing with your ears closed is not reevaluating a read, and I don't know why you think I'd be gullible enough to treat it that way.

?

I don't need to convince you I'm town if I'm scum.

You need to convince me you're town if you're town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she isnt really doing ate though

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she is not

she can pocket me very easily and she is going out of her way not to at this point

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

isis can you just tell me a story where we are both town? who are the bad guys? what happened yesterday?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah I really felt bad in haunted village, I felt a little more bad because the setup was unfair to you but

Every time I read a post in a mafia game I’m forced to consider the possibility it comes from town even if I’m 100% that it doesn’t

THAT SETUP AUUUUGH lol

the 4 joat setup

so good

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why didnt you believe me about dunny

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

^ how is this re-evaluation genuine?

@jessie I’m getting serious flashbacks to student council

why would she not re-evaluate as town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I would be honored to dance with you Gloria but I'm not sure I'm accepted by enough of the town into the F4.

It would be a waste of a doc-protection if I were to take that slot before this happens.

And there's just so much more work to be done :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VC on this page.

I appreciate you Jessie. You are brilliant and a beautiful part of our beautiful game.

I am sorry for any part I've played in making this game less enjoyable for you - I am not great at controlling my emotions and I really should be.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

infinity im re-reading start of day d2 you kind of looking terrible for defending dunn from me and gloria looks great for slapping you down.

from 1625 onwards.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not actually sure you hard-defend a scum-buddy like that if you're scum because nobody else on the scum team is defending dunn.

it's near TSTBS levels of bad.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The probability of a given set of 4 people currently alive having at least 1 scum (assuming 3 scum total) is about 75%. If dunn is scum, scum are just as likely to vote dunn or TGP since it doesn’t matter to them who gets limmed. If dunn is scum, scum would almost never vote dunn. Since 4 people excluding myself voted dunn, that group is likely to have at least 1 scum, so dunn is likely town.

Also yeah, there was almost no resistance to dunn.

like im not sure you can make such a bad post if you are scum with dunn because its just so ugh.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes,

you were his biggest defender and a reason why he was never in danger.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But you don't know that at the beginning of a day.

TGP's dying words were to power-elim dunn.

The game state opens up between days when all the votes that were on a previously eliminated player are suddenly free to go anywhere - dunn was the #2 wagon and the strongest SR of the dying townie. Momentum would be on him if people follow through - something the scum can't afford to happen.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gloria's posts from 1475 on feel so good :/ we really should've killed dunn there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flea/tweetie deflecting gloria's push on dunn, feels like she was so close to voting him :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it wouldn't matter because you unvoted and switched to TGP.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do kinda see how these could be real thoughts in your head about not wanting the dunn wagon that you started in the first place.

I'm going to re-read your explanations from D2-start about why you scuttled your own wagon.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes it does make sense

for what it's worth I do see your posts on transition as someone who is genuinely confused - I don't think scum have an incentive to defend dunnstral as much over the top as you have.

Skitter's celebration of you changing your vote actually doesn't seem faked - she seems happy you switched your vote to TGP.

Scum had enough votes off-wagon between gyp/tweet to force TGP-death even if you stayed on the dunn-wagon so it doesn't make sense in terms of planning for you to win as deepwolf.

I am processing D1-end again.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I get the TMI thing a lot, it’s an unfortunate result of being a gut-based player. But that’s an acceptable answer.

It’s a silly reason, but I still feel like dunn is >rand scum gut from taylor not engaging me on game-relevant content.

what happened to this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

D1 timeline:



This is from Kanna's VC here 1370

the VC is favorable for scum with TGP-5 vs Skitter-3 with only 2 known conspirators out of the 5.

then something curious happens - Infinity who unvoted skitter, votes for Dunn, and then Isis follows. Dunn says to Isis to "go away sweaty" and 2 more votes follow and we are now tied at 4-4 btw TGP/Dunn, which really is Dunn ahead since TGP has yet to vote for Dunn.

11AM Gloria votes for TGP, 3PM TGP votes for Dunn making it 5-5.

at 5pm Gloria unvotes Dunn and says she is re-evaluating. - making it 5-4 TGP v Dunn

This is a important stage in the game because with the wagons at 5-4 scum are in real danger of losing this game. - I am pushing for Dunn to die here and I think Dunn made some TMI posts here that Gloria is re-evaluating, Tweetie comes in out of nowhere to defend Dunn so the threat should feel real to scum-side that Gloria is going to put her vote to Dunn and momentum could just lead to scum-loss there.

Flea is also iso-rereading Dunn.

The skitter/infinity convo doesn't feel like S/S theater, I think she really is trying to convince him to vote for TGP and leave his vote there:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1525

She starts by saying infinity is the "towniest person here" and "yay" when he flips his vote and I think she is pocketing him to get him to vote for TGP over dunn?

@jessie's vote on TGP feels like it has the least "substance" behind it, I'd like to know why she voted for TGP over dunn here:

1547

Flea's re-evaluation post of Dunn: 1517 feels genuine.

an interesting thing to note here is the scum-strategy and how they played at the end of D1.

Even though their buddy Dunn was under pressure at 5-5 with a serious chance things will swing badly for them if Gloria puts her vote on Dunnstral, they are patient and do not move tweet or gypyx onto TGP, instead the strategy feels more passive if Infinity is green here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea i dont think gloria does that play when dunn is at 5 votes and she's thinking of putting him at E-1

Tweetie coming in and telling Gloria noo noo noo feels more like scum panic than scum theater.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean if you look at how much I pounded the table on killing dunn when he was at 5 votes at end of D1 I don't really think you can make the argument that I was trying to "bus" him or faking it?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i thought thegoldenparadox was more suspicious. the gypyx defense felt weird to me and i didn't like our interaction. i think your analysis starts too late into the day, as flea had spent a significant amount of time before this pushing me as thegoldenparadox's potential partner saying i was dismantling the wagon

thanks I had forgotten about the jester dismantle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Are you serious?
Your push was entirely constituted of joke reasons like that he called me sweaty. It looks exactly like a fake push should look.
There's not much beyond that you were voting there.

do you not believe I wanted him dead?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this actually isn't true right

once infinity goes from dunnstral to unvote to thegoldenparadox, dunnstral would need three votes to be eliminated,

and the four people off the wagons are

me, gloria, morning and gypyx

and morning and gypyx were mafia so there were only two floating votes after the infinity switch with three required

which in this case was conspirator wagon to town wagon, the opposite of day two

I was talking about before Infinity unvotes at 9pm,

Gloria unvoted at 5pm and her posting indicated she was leaning towards changing to Dunnstral - you can read her posting from that time period after she unvoted TGP. If she makes up her mind to vote it would put Dunn at E-1 and a real risk of being hammered since Flea at the time was also actively evaluating Dunnstral.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the fact that Tweetie comes out of nowhere to start defending Dunnstral when Gloria is starting to talk about how Dunn is TMIing makes me believe Gloria choosing to vote for Dunn would create a real threat for scum-loss there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

right and then flea decides dunnstral is town and infinity switches wagons, erasing the danger

ok but for Tweetie to do that implies there was danger in the first place right? doesn't that imply Gloria/Flea are town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gloria, yes, it is town indicative

flea, why? why isn't it possible that flea is also responding to the potential danger by deciding that dunnstral is town

because Dunnstral is not in danger unless Flea is town? who else is going to come in and hammer there?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i want to save Isis as badly as Loki wants to save princess peach

Tweetie you would tell me if Isis is town here right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I get that Gloria but there's really no reason for Scum!Infinity to come after you? Nobody is really SRing you other than him so how does he even get the votes to make anything happen?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Flea/Gloria were both re-evaluating Dunnstral,

in the thread it was TGP/Me/Gloria/Flea/Infinity talking about Dunnstral

Gloria is analyzing Dunnstral as TMIing on Pooky!Town, 1475 1479 1480 <-- signals she wants to yeet Dunn more than TGP.

Flea says Flea will re-read dunnstral after pain meds kick in 1474 and Flea signals Flea is ok with both launches in 1472

Tweetie jumps in at 1490 to defend Dunn

"Nothing on this page makes sense to me"

feels like scum panicking the town will coalesce there and kill Dunn - which implies Gloria/Flea the 2 people present in thread talking about moving their votes to Dunn are both town. We discuss what TMI actually is for a bit before Infinity hops off at 1503 removing the danger.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the danger window for scum losing on D1 is between Gloria unvoting and re-evaluating Dunnstral and when Infinity unvotes at 1503 to move Dunn off E-2.

For the danger to scum to make sense, it would mean the 2 players evaluating their options in real time in the thread are town, aka Flea/Gloria.

Tweetie flying in out of nowhere when she's not even voting feels like maybe no other scum are online to derail? Cuz why would they send Tweetie to do this when she's probably the least positioned to argue for TGP elim instead? Her vote isn't even on TGP so the Dunn Defense looks like it makes no sense in context.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sure there is Pooky. Because it’s a common scum tactic to push obvtown. Why? Because they never have to worry about a flip outing them. I’ve seen scum do this in many games because they know their target never gets flipped and spews them scum. Trust me and Jessie. Infinity isn’t town. Do you honestly think scum!Skitter tries to ram obvtown!Infinity down our throats non-stop if he’s actually town here? If so, why? Do you need me to quote the plethora of Skitter posts doing that?

he could just be wrong.

like I hosted a marathon game and infinity town literally killed a mod-confirmed town player in elo because he didn't think it through.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do think that looks good for her but like, she never did it.

ok but she was clearly leaning and persuading that way and that makes 0 sense for her to do if she's scum with dunnstral and momentum is shifting that way.

if anything you unvoting for the most absurd tinfoil theory is way way worse.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the danger window

though the sense of immediacy to it is somewhat hard for me to evaluate this far removed

they sent tweetie to derail this


TWEETIE.

Tweetie was so disconnected from the game state that she wasn't even voting at the time she flew in and started defending Dunnstral.

Don't you think they send somebody else if the danger isn't real or if literally any1 else is online?

look how much better skitter was at derailing and getting infinity back on the right wagon.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i agree that it feels like this - i disagree that flea would have to be town for the conspirators to feel this way, especially since flea's reevaluation of dunnstral is dunnstral town! resoundingly! with a similar 'i don't know what y'all are seeing' feel to parts of it as morning's

I liked the details in flea's re-evaluation, it felt like flea actually took the time to do it, and flea said flea wanted to wait for pain meds to kick in before doing it so it felt like something real not fake.

Also I don't think Tweetie jumps in and starts defending if the online people(Flea/Gloria) aren't town because if they weren't town there is no real threat to Dunnstral.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think somebody already voting TGP would've made more sense than Tweetie who was not even voting at the time.

The other explanation is that Infinity scum needed to back off before things got too hot for Dunnstral and Tweetie was there to provide him with cover.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in which case infinity moving his vote to Dunn was really just scum vanity wagoning in the first place and he didn't expect it to suddenly gather momentum, which would imply Isis!town infinity!scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when Isis/Infinity voted Dunn at 10AM GMT the wagons were:

TGP-5
Skitter-2
Dunn-2

so maybe they were going for a fragmented look?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

isis was not online the entire day

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and as long as flea/gloria vote for dunn b4 isis wakes up the danger is p real even if u do assume she is going to swap her vote.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im saying gloria/flea are likely town because their reconsideration of dunn at that point in time.



After the wagons tie at 3PM, gloria unvotes TGP at 5PM and begins reconsidering, that's the window of posting im looking at because flea also says flea is reconsidering, so if flea/gloria vote for dunn that ends the game there.

It has nothing to do with Isis alignment because she is not online during that window.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tinfoil: pooky is scum with TGP and wanted to tie TGP to a townie but now realizes they can elim dunn first instead. Hmm.

UNVOTE:

PEdit: I mean yeah, but dunn said he was gonna do some more solving in the second half.

@Flea TMI= too much information, when you say something you could only know if you are scum.

can you explain the thought process behind this unvote? this is a fairly important point in D1.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gloria had already unvoted TGP at that point and was actively pushing dunn fairly hard, the only thing that wasn't on Dunn was her vote.

Read back to that point in the game where she unvotes Dunn, it's very clear she is leaning towards elimming Dunn over TGP.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I stand by the fact that "if you think we're buddies, let's get the other one first" is a reasonable town position

no it's not, esp when it's an ego-tied-defense where you're basically telling the other person that they are stupid and wrong. His intent was to show me I was wrong by flipping TGP green in my face.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

infinity i dont think gloria tries to talk me into flipping my vote back after I vote hopkirk 15m b4 deadline if she is red because like i imagine the entire scum team PT erupted into cheers of HALLELUJAH ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE when that whack shit happened.

sorry @hopkirk.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea but he told us about the one shot dayvig

just like he told us about mengarie cult shot at the beginning.

when has hectic ever given scum hidden 1 shot powers that town doesn't know about?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the scum control 6 out of 13 votes, we would need all 7 townies to agree to elim 1 scumbag.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It would be an honor to dance with you, Jessie

Gloria you need to make a decision between Ydrasse and Flea imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It would be an honor to dance with you, Jessie

Gloria you need to make a decision between Ydrasse and Flea imo.

Pooky, why didn’t you accept my dance request?

you are my #1 tr. jessie is #2

i am worried about ydrasse, I didnt want her to have an open dance proposal before I am feeling better about her. I think you should dance with someone you are sure of and make a choice. you should definitely be dancing. every person not dancing should propose to you and allow you to make the choice imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im not saying i dont think ydrasse is town


i think there is a very good chance ydrasse is town especially if infinity is red. but im not 100% there yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean that wasn't even true about hopkirk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis visualize me thinking of you the way you think of Jessie thinking of Hoopla.
♥(ˆ⌣ˆԅ)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you have the best cats

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't have enough experience with flea to know if flea is capable of that level of AtE as scum, but I generally just believe people when they AtE that hard because its not everyone can fake it.

My townblock rn is flea-gloria-jessie.

I see the possible teams being either Isis/Infinity or Isis/Ydrasse, I'm not sure if Ydrasse/Infinity makes sense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis is probably not aligned with the town

She didn't even try to dance with me :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

･ﾟ･(｡>ω<｡)･ﾟ･ ･ﾟ･(｡>ω<｡)･ﾟ･

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if the scum team is Isis/Flea, the worst elim for them today is Infinity.

If the scum team is Isis/Infinity, the worst elim for them today is Flea.

If the scum team is Flea/Infinity, the worst elim for them is Isis.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um if scum have a choice between Town/Scum to shoot, they always shoot town right? doesnt quite make sense to shoot scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis is one of the nicest and most wonderful people on this site, I don't think she would insult anyone pls.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think that's what she's saying.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who do you want to launch jessie?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Infinity

I am ok with this one.

I think Isis/Infinity makes sense as the solve.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis voting flea here really doesn't make a lot of sense if Isis/Infinity is the solve tho

that's my problem with it right now.

She could be wifoming us?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If we are in a green-infinity green-flea red-isis world

I am pretty sure I don't live to F3.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he's voting for Isis.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um I think Isis is just openwolfing now :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think so

VOTE: Isis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky you know the point I was making

I again feel like you're either being scum or being unreasonable.

Probably unreasonable given the whole course of the day.

UNVOTE:

I don't know what point you are making.

I am confused

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Isis

I wish you would help me if you are town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've already player my town game Pooky I don't know what you want me to show you.

it doesn't feel like your town game.

but this could be because your wim is low here for other reasons.

it feels like a dull version of the Town!Isis that is so glorious and beautiful I can't help but think she has to be town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The person to eliminate from Hopkirk's wagon is Flea, not me.
Faer vote was just objectively the least well positioned.
Faer AtE was the "good rich stuff" today yeah but fae resorted to it earlier than really necessary which is kind of one of those scumfession things.

from my POV you and flea are in a gladiate of sorts, it's actually kind of similar to Silent Star 2 when we were stuck in a gladiate together.

You feel like how I felt when I was 1v1ing against you and your townspew level was so beautiful and pure I was just like, um ok I guess we could both be town? because pushing you as scum felt

impossibly difficult

to me.

I think that's how flea felt to you, which is why you didn't really push flea until the last second here - it doesn't feel like there's any real meaning behind this, just a sense of obligation to go through the motions.

I think if you were town you would've had more of a sense of emotion earlier, and pushed back and shut flea down and pushed them, but you couldn't find the will to do it because it's incredibly hard to create fake emotion to fight real ones.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

jessie this feels kind of like menagarie where ydrasse just ghosted


i think if infinity is town, that would imply ydrasse scum with only 1 bad guy in isis/flea?

i am not really seeing isis/flea both scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: infinity

thanks gloria/jessie <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am now dizzy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean they know they have to set up distancing right

skitter is not somebody who doesn't plan ahead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've never played with scum!skitter but her reputation is very very very good

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just don't read AtE very well

I don't really believe this :[

you have beautiful emotions.

UNVOTE:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok now im really dizzy

jessie?

ydrasse?

what are you thinking here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we should vote together.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think isis feels scummier than infinity rn but i am ok with either as long as our votes are together.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how is ydra ahead of gloria rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The deadline is in 0 days, 0 hours, 23 minutes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ydrasse is playing to her town meta a lot.
She is vibing
Ydrasse has less possibility of an agenda

she is literally a replica of her SS2 playstyle where she just ghosts.

im like getting flashbacks to myself getting elimd and her just not showing up to the launching ceremony.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its like we are back in SS2 again except me and you switched places and Ydrasse is just twirling her hair somewhere.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pedit: I'm not scum with Ydrasse because I'd be giddier

ok so who are you scum with that makes you depressed and sad?

I really wish I was scum with you


I'd make you laugh and feed you cherries.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

(⇀⼼_↼)

I guess you can't be scum since you've shown me your heart.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you saying the middle part looks like a heart, it's supposed to be a grimacing face with a nose I think

the middle part is the chinese character for heart

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who are we killing @Gloria/Jessie?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont really think flea flips scum tho :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I did it by accident so you know I'm good

I think it would be more telling if you did it on purpose :<

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its probably Isis red flea green

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yup

hope I'm wrong about flea

*fingers crossed*

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

*hugs*

i will miss you flea

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh wow

ok :/

that's distressing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yikes sorry isis im an idiot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am never digging a bad guy out of a hole again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sorry flea that wasn't meant to misgender, just generic "baddie" probly fits more :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I feel abused.

Isis pls punish me tomorrow for being an idiot

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am bad at the game ok :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

emotions are beautiful though

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I almost feel like it would be boring to cut off all the emotional aspects,

but I really should. I am so vulnerable to AtE :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are right as always.

I should just focus on that instead.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis makes beautiful posts.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

who is the last baddie gypyx?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

And they got 6 legs, sorry pooky, you get nothing, nerd

rude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

another thing to consider is.

Does Isis vote Infinity if she's red with flea?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok

do you think Flea hammers infinity yesterday if Isis is green?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we are at infinity/isis green and flea red, flea's best case scenario is to elim either infinity or isis and shoot the other one at night.

I don't see a reason why flea would not want to other than flea is not online.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually you're right flea could just decide to maintain the act, hope we elim in inf/isis and then try to survive today without putting fleas hands on the elim.

that makes more sense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes I agree with you :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Awwww

gyp did not like it thought

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Has scum!Pooky ever talked like this to a buddy ever?

i should try not to speak to any1 like that :/

i feel bad about it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I would never shoot isis if I was scum and she was town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I told her I would shade her so people would think I'd be willing to vote her, so she won't be nightkilled and we end up in a f3 in which the bad guy expects me to vote for Jessie. I would then not vote for her instead, to flip the tables on that bad guy.

I was going to put a hidden message in the shading that she would be able to unlock to show that the shade was fake in the event I died instead of continuing on to f3.

She said she didn't want to do this plan.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um i did mention that

look at our PT together

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think you missed that part of the plan :/

i have quoted it in our PT so you can see where I mentioned it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I would never shoot isis if I was scum and she was town

she would kill me though

she loves hurting me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I also wonder why scum!Pooky kills Infinity over Isis. I wonder why anyone who isn’t Isis would. Sorry @Isis but I just don’t understand why Infinity dies over you here? Because you have objectively played much townier than him and therefore would be far more difficult to yeet. Like if you had been the NK, I’d already be voting him and strongly encouraging everyone else to sheep me on that but because it’s you not him, I’m now questioning everything.

I am responding to your thought here Gloria.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

to re-clarify, i possibly did not correctly understand the plan, as pooky did say something about unlocking that i did not interpret to mean there would be a code that i would know to show the town that pooky was creating fake suspicion

it's probably my fault for not explaining clearer.

I did not go further into detail of the plan because you rejected it :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I love hurting Hopkirk more

hurtful towards me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we miss today, the most townie player will get NK'd

that makes sense right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In the world where we don't show our cards to the killer?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean its probly too late now >_>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Isis if you're town we probably lose this game :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dafuq? Are you seriously suggesting scum!Isis would gamethrow? Like that would be beyond stupid.

that is a joke Gloria :3

Scum!Isis would always make the optimal play.

but she would enjoy hurting me for fun

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In the world where we don't show our cards to the killer?

we cannot do this as it also stops us from showing our cards to eachother.

That's why I suggested keeping it in the PT and using a hidden doublespeak code.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how did we never play together if you played in 2008?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Jessie, I really don’t think you need to worry anymore about me launching you before Pooky. And @Pooky, I’d find this gambit a whole lot less weird had I been your dance partner instead of Jessie.

Like it’s pretty damned obvious fypov, that you would expect me to be the NK, so the whole thing sounds super weird to me.

I am the only person who has you at TR1 and i dont have a NK so i do not expect you to be the NK if we miss here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it would depend on who gets nightkilled.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am fairly confused this game :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually if we miss on isis you probly all launch me at f3 so i wont even have to think.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it did not feel great to lose after fighting that hard

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I will deal with that situation if it comes up. I do not throw games.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i said that is probably what happens,

i will still try tho.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't deserve jessie she is an angel

quite unfortunate gloria wants to kill me now :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont really think ydrasse is hard cleared but i've been like wrong about way more stuff than jessie so i am just hardsheeping her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because I trust Jessie a lot more than I trust myself

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are my number 1 townread

I just don't trust myself to be right about the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have seen myself be wrong many times.

and I've never seen Jessie be wrong ever.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats true

but not when it counted

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have a lot of faith in you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't have a lot of faith in myself to be right.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that would not be a good use of your time because I'm town here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not doubting you.

I have never moved you from TR1.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why are you assuming Isis is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not setting any1 up Gloria

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why can't I sheep Jessie?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean I could just hammer Isis, I don't really need your vote or to convince you to push that elim right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So you can try to get me mislaunched if she’s town. What do I win?

So no, I’m definitely not townreading for that and no one else should either.

I'm not saying you should townread me for it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not scum.

I don't have a plan to kill you.

I've never insulted your intelligence.

Every statement above is true.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't understand what you mean.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm really not playing dumb. I don't understand why you think I wouldn't sheep Jessie here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like this is from my POV:

let's say we eliminate Isis -> if she flips red -> we win

if she flips green ->

A) Jessie gets nightkilled, she is now conf-town and I sheep her reads because I think they are better than my reads.

B) Jessie doesn't get nightkilled, she probably pushes for me to die and I die.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m not sure if you’re scum or if I even just want you to be scum anymore because I think it would hurt me a lot less if you are. But if you are, I sure hope it’s worth it to you.

I don't want to hurt you . I'm just explaining my thought process.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do believe you, that's why I said you are my top TR.

I just do not have a lot of faith in myself right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean you hard TR ydrasse anyway.

so in that scenario I think you and ydrasse just mislaunch me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like I don't understand why you are so focussed on this hypothetical scenario that probably doesn't happen anyway if Isis is red?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean you hard TR ydrasse anyway.

so in that scenario I think you and ydrasse just mislaunch me?

Yeah, I never vote out Ydrasse. not after our PT.

ok so why would you be mad at me mislaunching you in a Ydra-red Pooky/Gloria green scenario?

You were never going to vote Ydrasse anyway.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because if Jessie dies at night she becomes conftown.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i also like trust her reads more than my reads just on a baseline basis.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not scum Gloria. I don't decide where the nightkill goes.

if Isis flips green and we get to F3 I'm kinda hoping I just get speed-elimed so I don't have to think about the game anymore :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My beliefs about the game.

and my belief that I am right about my beliefs about the game.

are two different things.

I am not "toying with you" I am just honestly stating what I currently believe.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not scum Gloria. I don't decide where the nightkill goes.

if Isis flips green and we get to F3 I'm kinda hoping I just get speed-elimed so I don't have to think about the game anymore :/

I don’t want to be you in Micro if that isn’t clear.

I don't want to be me in Micro either.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sometimes I feel tremendous doubt about my reads in this game- esp when I get things wrong.

that's not me trying to hurt you, that's just a lack of confidence in myself

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if Isis/Me are both town

then probly we both get mislaunched.

I highly doubt the game state moves to you getting launched.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you’re town doubting me here, it will crush me.

I'm not doubting you - I'm doubting myself. It's not the same thing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you’re town, you’re lack of belief in me might lose us the game if Isis is green. That’s what I’ve been trying to get through to you. If game doesn’t end after Isis flip, If Ydrasse is the NK would you still sheep Jessie on mislaunching me?

you and jessie are both very high on my TR list and I would be really shocked if either of you are scum.

also in that scenario it's pretty likely you both vote me and I die so I probably won't have to put together my shattered brain and try to figure something out.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I do enjoy sorting you Isis, but I feel like I've sorted everyone else already and this last part is just downright tragic either way :/.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

But I think you would always do it with both paws in the swimming pool doing so.

a swimming pool filled with my tears maybe

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

phew..

I just want to see the wild celebration in the scum PT when I randomly wake up and vote hopkirk out of nowhere :>

sorry again Hops <3

nice hammer Gloria

Thanks for modding Hectic/Kanna/Lend !! Another wild ride I'm not quite done digesting.

Thanks for the dance Jessie! Sorry we did not get to do much roleplaying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think balance wise it is incredibly hard for the scum because they are only as good as their weakest link.

just on a pure-probability basis assuming random elims its like 75% town victory on the first 2 launches?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if pooky hadn't changed him vote we would have actually won a 6 town vs 6 mafia gamestate which is... insanely good cohesion

our soul-sync was unreal until i messed everything up

so-sorry

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What? come again? Tweetie wasn’t town. ??????

tweetie is always town hehe :3

*flops ears*

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so this really was just a massive hectic-troll on hopkirk :3