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[Deacon Blues]

Oh and by the way, @A50:

Read on Dunn?

Anything stand out to you about that slot?

Dunn was town, I believe. A Town Lean, actually.

Say, wasn't it you who instructed Annie to "drop it" when she asked Dunn to claim his night action? Or am I mixing the hydrae?

It was indeed me. Why?

Because the Town Lean was formed at that point.

And you missed their later posts about Dunn in this thread?

[Deacon Blues]

I'm townreading brian. :/

Though it it weren't xmas week brian's activity level would be bugging me.

[Deacon Blues]

also, Brian's scumreading pisskop and seems to be suggesting we elim him before pooky?

[Deacon Blues]

Notsci, your prior guess isn't in my dayvig list, take that as you will.

Are we working on a reads list or no?

My bailey's intake depends on your answer.

[Deacon Blues]

@Deacon Blues did Nacho/Tammy ever explain why or how they wanted to 'look into' Brian Skies more today?

Tammy thought Brian's day 1 pooky fixation and defense was odd. She also noted that brian didn't take a strong stance about pooky being turnstiled, and then afterwards said something about not using his turnstile day 1 if he'd known pooky would be the turnstile-ee.

Nacho wanted brian pressed to explain his pooky read.

[Deacon Blues]

A50 is probstown, by the by.

I'm satisfied for now.

But we both know I have a weak spot for pantshittingly tonedeaf posting.

we all have our weak spots.

I like some of the emotional background in his reactions.

[Deacon Blues]

sorry, a50 did you answer: is your read on me largely from my claim or is it also cuz of play?

I said it was your earlier posts BEFORE you claimed. I missed the claim. I had no idea you claimed later on. I had a TR on you when I stopped reading this thread. HOWEVER, your claim was believable to me (I really can't tell if the claim strengthened the TR or if the TR was the reason I believed the claim)

ah ok thanks. as a followup i'd want to know which posts prompted the townread at some point - dont' feel like you need to do this rn, i know this game is big and my iso is long, but i would like this at some point

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

[Deacon Blues]

I'm subcontracting my LLD read to you. :/

[Deacon Blues]

Other than that, I don't have issues.

I feel like skitter's content skews in the direction of reacting to posts about her and it feels off. whenever I feel like I should relax some on that read, another round of that kind of posting happens. I'm struggling between D and F there.

[Deacon Blues]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

And now?

[Deacon Blues]

I almost put Peta down to C for a set of posts, but I don't want to waver there.

I've had a couple paranoia flashes, but I feel like he could so VERY easily post in ways that would avoid those flashes.

my paranoia generation algorithm shouldn't be a black box. and stuff that bugs me should (and has) bugged at least on other player, which suggests to me that it would have been super easy to just not trigger in the first place.

[Deacon Blues]

What was your A50 read coming into this convo?

hard null

And now?

need to interact with him some more + knowing what prompted the initial townread would be helpful. holding off for a bit

And you think giving him an indefinite amount of time to scour your iso for good posts to call townread will be helpful in a bit?

[Deacon Blues]

And you think giving him an indefinite amount of time to scour your iso for good posts to call townread will be helpful in a bit?

this doesn't even make sense with how you're reading me and him but whatever

he's p good at reading me, and i wanna see if the posts he pulls out are ones that actually make sense for him (in particular) to townread me off of
like if he pulls out ones that i think he would actually townread me off (i.e. as opposed to generically town ones), than i probably end up townreading him

I looked at your interaction with the perspective that either or both of you could be town.

And thought about what town-me would want out of the interaction.

I don't know your past encounters or how you'd find each other as town, though.

from a generic town v unknown perspective it looked rather trusting.

[Deacon Blues]

if you are town i kill cabd basically no matter what

my options have been kill pooky or sheep cabd because that's usually a good idea

The top one pinged hard. But I've been letting it go, ish.

For me, at the point where I posted about feeling paranoid, it was a sense that he was sort of floating along and not digging into stuff much.

[Deacon Blues]

Uhhh

yeah

[Deacon Blues]

And thought about what town-me would want out of the interaction.

I don't know your past encounters or how you'd find each other as town, though.

from a generic town v unknown perspective it looked rather trusting.

we have loads of (not super recent) experience together; like at least 15 games. but i havne't been as active in 2020 and i dont' think he's played much at all in like a year.
i used to be able to townread him correctly off of like 3 posts; i used to have a whole writeup to get people to believe me when i locktowned him after he posted like twice. i'm getting like nothing off of him here tho. idk if that's indicative of his playstyle changing upon coming back, or if it's scum indicative of him. i need to get a better sense for what he's actually thinking of here and why and i don't have that yet.
he used to not read me as easily so seeing what's actually prompting the townread on me would be helpful and would help a lot in sorting him and i think woudl give me the insight i need into how he's approaching this game, which in turn should help me read him

and I feel like if your concerns were genuine you wouldn't want to give him a whole lot of time to find the post or posts that generated the townread.

maybe pressuring players in the moment isn't part of your repertoire?

Someone here or in the other thread can probably opine about that.

[Deacon Blues]

Uhhh

yeah

Like what do I even do with that shit.

I have a theory.

waiting is.

Oh also before you give into the drink

, I'm lazy so take my reads list and put the moprh reason for each so Hench will stop asking? Thanks!

Like I waited so much as 5 minutes.

fiiiine.

Is full transparency on hold?

[Deacon Blues]

way to walk past the crater your last post made.

[Deacon Blues]

Has anything new and significant happened since A50 got turnstiled?

Btw was unwnd’s ability just a one shot?

-BCCorp

[Deacon Blues]

Maybe if you weren’t cryptic 100% of the fucking time I’d be able to process any legitimate issues y’all are having
-BCCorp

has not one fucking thing to do with crypticness.

It's your own damn post.

[Deacon Blues]

I’m not in the mood to read just yet, I just want the digest on anything major, and I also had a question on something that was never made clear to my knowledge. Is that a federal fucking issue to you?
-BCCorp

what ability did unwnd claim?

[Deacon Blues]

I’m not in the mood to read just yet, I just want the digest on anything major, and I also had a question on something that was never made clear to my knowledge. Is that a federal fucking issue to you?
-BCCorp

what ability did unwnd claim?

[Deacon Blues]

that was my theory Cabd.

What do you think?

[Deacon Blues]

skitter kindly do not walk through my lines of questioning.

Thanks

[Deacon Blues]

Thoughts about these intermittent exclamations of annoyance?

It was interesting that this most recent chorus came at a point that could have and possibly did derail a line of questioning.

[Deacon Blues]

that was to Cabd.

[Deacon Blues]

Cabd do you want to wait for skitter's Bell ISO tomorrow?

All the bullshit in both threads makes me want to fuck off to bed and let them stew.

pedit fuck that Infomancer is my claim.

[Deacon Blues]

I almost put Peta down to C for a set of posts, but I don't want to waver there.

I've had a couple paranoia flashes, but I feel like he could so VERY easily post in ways that would avoid those flashes.

my paranoia generation algorithm shouldn't be a black box. and stuff that bugs me should (and has) bugged at least on other player, which suggests to me that it would have been super easy to just not trigger in the first place.

this is such a weird reason to not scumread someone!
-ceph

someone not named ceph!

[Deacon Blues]

Spiffeh's question to hench in 4079 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

[Deacon Blues]

Spiffeh's question to hench in 4079 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Maybe I've lost the thread. I'm having trouble following. Might be the liquor and the time.

You still owe me the morphreasons for my reads wall!

I'm actually working on that and just realized I totally fucked up the color formatting. So I have to start over and cut/paste the words.

A few of your reads, I'm like..."it's a Cabd read, ask him."

[Deacon Blues]

New starting point... ish.

Reverse Timeline (All players in a tier are equal, not sorted within these tiers)

Tier A:

Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin) -

something something shining beacon something

Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd) -

Cabd accurately crumbed their role to me around page 9 after a stilted dance on both our parts because life sucked when this game started. Their actions on N1 confirmed that crumb in spades. He further crumbed to me every PR tell and soft they noticed on day 1 in both threads. And he documented those tells and softs in the neighborhood. The reverse thread N1 kill might make sense as a Cabd-chosen kill if...say Cogito Ergo Sum...were replacing Noraa's hydra, but I don't think Hectic rises to that level of concern. Given other claims/softs in the reverse thread, I would have expected someone else to be dead on Day 2 if Cabd had influence over the scum kill. these are the kinds of reasons people not named fferyllt llyfr like, when asking about my cabd read. These are not the main reasons that I, personally, townread Cabd, but I think my main reasons are way too obscure to be interesting to most folks, and also never get written where Cabd could see them. cue demands for fanfic.

superbowl9 -

I like to think I got here first, but by N1 this was a consensus read of the 3 hydras. Partially from cold meta - the games Cabd, unwnd and I skimmed on d1 - scum superbowl just doesn't have this level of bombast and assurance. scum superbowl by meta doesn't go out of his way to repeatedly insult a town core finding itself.

Lady Lambdadelta -

:hitoshrug: Cabd's read. Has to do with the level of chaos in her play as well as her gambit, but the read preexisted the gambit.

Tier B:

Firebringer - consensus neighborhood read. If we had to turnstile someone to the forward thread, this is who the neighborhood would have pushed.
Petapan - I think scum-peta would have more of a discernable agenda than his posts here. You could argue he's hiding behind dandelion reads, though. and I think the lack of oomph is why he's in this tier for Cabd. It's certainly why he isn't in my top tier atm.
A50 - Due to apparently not seeing where questions are coming from and just plowing merrily along anyway. I can see where a scum A50 might tread more carefully if he didn't know the objective behind a line of questioning.

Tier C:

Something_Smart - Dunno if Cabd's reasons are my reasons but most of s_s's focus seems to be on the ongoing back and forth with skitter. That post to ceph that came off sarcastic was a major ping, and seeing ceph react similarly to it is interesting. Makes me wonder if I"m off. Nacho said something about ceph and bork being the last players whose tonereads he'd trust. Anyway, I was leaning one tier down earlier today, but maybe this is the right tier.

GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake) - their later posts ring town to my ears, but really don't feel good about moving them further up right now.

Tier D:

skitter30 -

The nature of her claim vs the softs and claims and confirmed IC. beyond that, so much in her play bugs me. the data she's put in the thread is mostly reactive. some of her professed reads (Annie in particular) just squick the hell out of me. I didn't think our playstyles clashed to this extent. In fact based on a game I modded and the one game we played in 2018(?) I felt like it was fairly easy to see the game from her POV, even if I disagreed.

midwaybear -

his overall level of participation is kinda worrisome. Nacho had concerns about his Day 1 play. I think we gave him an early townread too easily.

Pisskop -

who the fuck knows?

Tier F:

PookyTheMagicalBear - in 2 sentences Day 1 10 in forwards thread and 100 in reverse thread. Day 2 not much effort at anything other than defending himself/discrediting people scumreading him.

I am wavering on skitter due to wavering on Bell+Hench :/

yeah. data for the data gods.

[Deacon Blues]

@Deacon HP has had A50 as a null-or-lower read for p. much the whole game so I find it jarring and the timing a little convenient that he is now at the top of the "not scum" list

Skimming through their ISO I buy that the 'E' head of HP didn't really have A50 as a scum read and I find it more believable that this head could come to this conclusion

Maybe I'm too reactive to anyone reading A50 as town

Ok. I was trying to figure out the value to scum-Hench in near-instantly pivoting on the A50 read after turnstiling as either alignment.

[Deacon Blues]

Ffery you had better entertain me. The pidgeon drives the bus book got boring after the teeth straight run through.

It was definitely worth staying awake for.

wordsing a couple of those reads was a struggle. :/

[Deacon Blues]

The good introspective kind of stuggle?

Yeah.

We both know your read of me had no issues.

If that read had issues, this thread would look just a little different.

"The best masonries are the ones you make for yourself."

[Deacon Blues]

show me one fucking post

You think we're all lying about Nacho and Tammy's posts in the neighborhood?

[Deacon Blues]

Bell's tone feels off these last couple pages but he's saying town-bell things, mostly. :/

[Deacon Blues]

I mean, have I said or done anything without explaining myself to some degree or other? Pre and post action or thought process?

@deacon yes, my tone is off. Hopefully that sends the right alarm bells ringing and not the vague fence sitty ones you’re currently emitting.

You can characterize our read however you must. You're still adorable, even if you're not town. That tone, though. It removes megawatts from adorable-Bell.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm footballing. gimme a few

[Deacon Blues]

foodtelling darn autocorrect

[Deacon Blues]

Is Bell-Muffin herosolve impossible? Talk my down Ffery.

I'm not feeling muffin-scum.

[Deacon Blues]

@other thread plz no vote out gypyx ty

This is endorsed by all three wine snob hydrae.

confirmed.

[Deacon Blues]

Is Bell-Muffin herosolve impossible? Talk my down Ffery.

I'm not feeling muffin-scum.

As for the other?


He just changed the soft serve to fit the night one results.

I feel like Bell's scum game is evolving pretty fast. He knows what he'd say as town and says it for the most part, now. Not entirely but a lot better than smokefilled.

But, he doesn't stick the landing. The tone feels off.

[Deacon Blues]

You know what you said about Muffin-town AI?

Do you get that vibe from Bell?

[Deacon Blues]

Bell-pisskop-pooky started that side maybe?

that seems wildly optimistic

What are your scumreads in the forwards thread?

[Deacon Blues]

You know what you said about Muffin-town AI?

Do you get that vibe from Bell?

Not related no.

Do I just talk about it crumbs and all? Because I 100% want it dead now for what just went down.

I don't think you or I have enough gravitas over there to make it happen without more.

[Deacon Blues]

I just can’t solve as scum.
Like at all.
I don’t put on a shit eating grin and laugh like i’m BM when i’m Scum this game.
Like just iso me. It’s long but there’s a lot of consistently and readily available explanation for any thought process I may have whether I say it then or later, it still gets said eventually

*i’m a LOT* more vague as scum
And also, I can barely talk to my scum partners but i’ve Evenly distributed my interactions with players for the most part, or at least haven’t avoided anyone.

Uh, just a whole lotta reasons i’m Not scum this game.

^^ This was posted right after Cabd posted 5308. Note the capitalization.

[Deacon Blues]

Bell-pisskop-pooky started that side maybe?

that seems wildly optimistic

What are your scumreads in the forwards thread?

what makes you think i'm reading that thread?

Your comment about optimism.

[Deacon Blues]

Can you just spell it out for those of us following along at home that have no idea what you're talking abt. Idk what the capitalized letters are supposed to spell

And can the first/big crumbs from way back when be pointed out too please?

Brian's found what I saw from day 1.

I'm counting like 3 to 5 hench princess lies.

The easiest one is saying he's not upset which is a huge pill to swallow.

and I'm not even good at swallowing pills.
I'm an applesauce baby.
Worst nurse ever.

Crumb?

[Deacon Blues]

I don't think the one Brian just quoted in 4356 was a crumb. It fell sort of in the middle of a lull on this thread wrt to bell-pressure, I think.

Maybe, though. It was the post with Evenly capitalized mid-sentence that caught my attention.

[Deacon Blues]

Hp asked why I of all people didn’t know HP was town. Saying I should have the easiest time.
I replied that of everyone I had the least easy time because he, around that point had made the statement about there being no strongman. Also, i’m Super paranoid when i’m Town to some extent rather, I do try to look deeply at what somebody is doing and why.

Hmm

--------------------

Cabd help.

AtE is kryptonite.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm a little insulted you're even THINKING of standing in this doorway again.

This isn't about standing in the doorway. It's about emergency spine grafts.

[Deacon Blues]

The first sentence is from the heart. The second isn't.

That meld.

[Deacon Blues]

Like, I know it sucks that people we love and care for drew scum, but that's the nature of the game, RNGesus cares not.

I'm stunned by the meta trajectory. it's bucket worthy.

[Deacon Blues]

Also the hmm was a separate thought.

[Deacon Blues]

Pardon?

I feel like talking about it in detail would create a disturbance in the force. Hence bucketing.

[Deacon Blues]

Sigh. Do you think I'm completely off base here?

I'd be voting there even without the whole crumbs thing, right now, so

I don't think you're off base.

I'd be slamming on the brakes if I did.

let me waffle in peace.

Seldom have I backspaced this much in writing a post.

[Deacon Blues]

Do you know and trust the pidgeon?

[Deacon Blues]

let me waffle in peace.

Yeah sadly you've got the crumpets-up-ass folks in the other thread ignoring reality... so you really need to NOT do that.

If that's the case then they're blowing shit way out of proportion. But I don't think I'm seeing signs of that in the other thread, so

apropos of nothing, have your thoughts on Dunnstral changed?

[Deacon Blues]

Dunnstral

I trust Dunnstraal to be alone with me in electrical until you show up to do your tasks.

any prosecutor in a storm is where I thought you might be.

checking if my gamestate board needs updating.

[Deacon Blues]

Haven't you seen the other thread? Dunn is my Rider this game. He's even got the syr gifs locked and loaded.

That put an actual smile on my face. So did this post.

[Deacon Blues]

waiting is.

[Deacon Blues]

pooky, pisskop, s_s, maybe midway bear. all separately problematic.

taking skitter off the table is something.

[Deacon Blues]

not what I meant by something. More "something that helps with the cognitive overload that is this game"

[Deacon Blues]

Pruning shears in hand, but still pondering some shit. Maybe stuff I don't need to work through yet.

[Deacon Blues]

Stuff that should be discussed out loud?

Or do we need to take it to the lucha ring later?

Mostly just trying to game out how the forwards scum players were trying to position re fighting vs cooperating with turnstiles.

[Deacon Blues]

In other words, not my wheelhouse, but still.

[Deacon Blues]

Yup, i’m Gunna think about this.

Personally I don’t think this changes the arithmetic for cabd or FF in regards to me. But they should see at least...

Well actually will they even acknowledge the weirdness here?

I see it.

[Deacon Blues]

And I think Titus is town.

what a pedit

[Deacon Blues]

Cabd isn't going to be happy with me but I think Bell has exceeded his scum range. possibly considerably. It goes way beyond my bucket thoughts about what parts of his town game he could be able to import in a quantum improvement of his scum game.

[Deacon Blues]

@Ffery am I crazy?

About 4835? I don't think you are.

[Deacon Blues]

I don't think our roles particularly imply doc, because it's so easy for us to avoid ending up in the same thread.

Not if neither of you die before the great merger.

[Deacon Blues]

ffery hit the high notes but can someone else tl;dr someone who is a little behind

-b

[Deacon Blues]

ffery hit the high notes but can someone else tl;dr someone who is a little behind

-b

can this be a barbarian focused tl;dr too?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

The last couple posts I signed calling muffin out for gatekeeping arguing w/ him on christmas eve was the last point in time i was legitimately following along. was also pretty drunk.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

ss is starting to get pressured
pooky got pressured a bit

what are your reads on each at this point in time?

that claim is under heavy suspicion from ffery/cabd due to like ~crumbs~

ffery thinks he is town at this point fwiw; i am actively trying to limit my catchup to here first and have no opinion

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i would recommend at least isoing brian, titus and bell in the time you missed

i will but it's not my focus right this second; who should i be doing the same to in this thread right now

-b

[Deacon Blues]

there's, like, literally no movement here except on s_s but i want to hold off on that now because of the titus thing

i think this is at most a +++ that they're not scum together, yes?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

what are your reads on each at this point in time?

pooky +town
ss + scum

what are your reads on each at this point in time?

pooky +town
ss + scum

reverse this

still so much of this kind of heel digging in this thread that's making it hard to get anywhere. what's top reasons for all of this (even naked quote of a post in your/their ISOs is better than nothing)

-b

[Deacon Blues]

yes and i want her flipped first and will do a blow by blow of the argument with brian if i have to

since it's germane to the s_s read let me go back and read the stuff you quoted

-b

[Deacon Blues]

btw i think its borderline insane that peta/cabd/fiery/tammy who have all seen me play scum in antechamber extremely carefully suddenly all believe that I lost my mind sometime in the last month and became a crazy kamikaze pilot scum who likes to do stupid shit like suicide bomb vanilla townies for fun on D1.

you can look through all my scumgames on site, i literally do not play scum this way. its actually crazy you all think that I do.

like this
it's kinda gross but also i think kinda town?

if nothing else this feels town from you, most especially if pooky is also town
i find it hard to see scum!you allow an easy to nullify (i mean, i'm not particularly moved by pooky's self meta argument) argument in favor of someone you wouldn't want townread if you were scum and pooky was town

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i don't really think the skitter-ss convo is useful because i can't tell the difference between them talking past each other (skitter: "do you think people should be able to observe your town motivation based on your play here" vs ss: "i'm town so it is the proper order of things and they

should

be seeing it in my posts regardless of what you think i've done to deserve that read" vs ss using semantics about what "should" means

-b

[Deacon Blues]

looking at the start of brian v titus so far but the most most interesting thing about it is the utter agreement that pisskop is scum

-b

[Deacon Blues]

It's also possible she didn't want to focus too much on this thread here because she replaced scum and didn't know how to start pushing a bunch of players she knew were town.

I feel like a lot of people have been putting this hypothesis forward and i kinda just am over it. Unless someone uses other thread content as a smokescreen for dealing with their own I just don't think this is relatable for me

none of this whole block really purports what Titus' scum agenda is here; you're calling out a few (imo somewhat innocuous) contradictions but that's kinda it

She also turnstiles Pisskop because 'oh the other side is slower' but quickly unvotes when she supposedly realizes it isn't the slower thread. Which makes me think she doesn't actually want to turnstile Pisskop.

e.g. why wouldn't she want to do that? anyway at the very best it's contingent on pisskop flip

going to have to take this in parts because it's kinda long but just reading down it seems predicated on flips of other people

-b

[Deacon Blues]

peta what do you love about brian's titus case?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

Uhhh can anyone else who was in that back me up here? I wasn't obvtown in Antechamber right?

You had your moments.

Like when you started interrogating traitor-Taylor.

Cabd was vouching for you, though, which meant you were never getting seriously pushed.

Do you have opinions about all the claims currently on the table?

[Deacon Blues]

I feel the sentiment behind 5675

also; i don't see scum midway comfortable enough in his own skin to just casually "i am feeling his post" me here; he probably either ignores it or engages me on the fact that i've quite obviously drawn no useful conclusion from it

this sort of stuff adds up and i keep seeing it from him

-b

[Deacon Blues]

gutshot titus town brian scum and that's just due to current positioning on each other tonewise

-b

[Deacon Blues]

there is at least one more claimed/proven PR in the game, as well as a few softs.

What would you expect of the forwards/inverse distribution?

[Deacon Blues]

Shitty work day. Ffery see if you can will taloc to let you sleep and arceus willing we need to sync about all the crazy shit from the past 48 tomorrow.

I'll try!

[Deacon Blues]

bork are you reading some sort of bizarroworld version of brian's posts or something what the heck

i mean, entirely possible, my error bars are wide as fuck with this take, and as i said my stance is kind of based on titus being like "i want to see you actually put up about your stances" and brian being like "i have other suspicions but i refuse to engage you on them because it's totes you"

page 197 kinda sucks for everyone though.

anyway i haven't gone back and processed a lot of stuff about what brian initially claimed on titus because it's multiple levels deep

-b

[Deacon Blues]

HP's 4955 feels so town to me. Same with the interaction with Brian.

[Deacon Blues]

how the fuck are there six scum alive and somehow we can't find any of them

What's changed in your reads since your reply to A50's reads list?

[Deacon Blues]

Annie I think it might just be bell titus even though Ffery will hate me for that. Brian's case and my points combined make it pretty compelling.

Like think about it from a setup perspective.

I don't hate you for this.

I do hate Bell playing us off each other, but I don't know that he's scum for it.

It's way more pronounced than in the smokefilled game.

[Deacon Blues]

Muffin vote? I don't see it.

[Deacon Blues]

VOTE: muffin

I thought you meant muffin voted.

yeah, notsci's play right now isn't comforting.

I'm spinning. Thinking I'm wrong about Bell.

[Deacon Blues]

I can't think of a way to talk about this that isn't bad. If I'm wrong and Superbowl wants to correct me, fine.

I think you are wrong but also I'm not talking about it. And shame on you gamma for asking this what possible benefit could come from that?

there’s been talk of exposing the crumbs across the board so I felt clarity should be the objective

alright. Most of that seems fair.
What about my claim pings you? I maaaybe can understand but it felt innocuous imo
debbie stated to me he thinks SS is scum, and I feel like with a lack of suspicions rn, and with no real hard vibe from SS, I think that's something I want to put out for discussion.
-BCCorp

Protective claims under duress always squick me a little because they play to town's wishful thinking. bodyguard is a claim that has a shelf life, which makes it less useful to scum for getting deep into the game, which is a mitigating point imo.

Who did you bodyguard last night?

I bodyguarded you.
-BCCorp

@Dandelion,

Is it umbrella time?

I assume this is what all the umbrella questions are about.

My question to Cabd, which wasn't answered that I noticed, was if it made sense to give GFITAC a list of 3 players to randomly choose between for their bodyguard target, to make the scum team's nightkill choice harder.

[Deacon Blues]

Since we have pisskop at L-1 this becomes an urgent topic for discussion.

My suggestions are dandelion, superbowl, petapan/firebringer.

[Deacon Blues]

I wouldn't mind somebody unvoting Pisskop for a bit!

[Deacon Blues]

I'm extremely busy AND irritated at day traders.

But uh. I guess that pool is okay although I'd put lld in it if you really don't wanna be in it yourself. And take me out. I'm not that important any more compared to the mech unknown.

I think our mutual aggro probably makes us less than ideal nk targets, but I'll defer to you either way. Are you ok with peta or firebringer?

[Deacon Blues]

So, superbowl, LLD, peta?

[Deacon Blues]

bell's snark level.

[Deacon Blues]

It's way beyond what I've seen of his game as any alignment.

[Deacon Blues]

It seems to be an effort to distract from Titus, so

[Deacon Blues]

You don't think it's scum indicative that notsci lost his groove, do you?

Could be. I have paranoia flashes, but overall I'm just not getting that vibe.

[Deacon Blues]

If forwards thread isn't going to elim Bell, they should pick some players and make him agree to randomly pick a target within that group to protect.

He should be leashed.

[Deacon Blues]

That was the new notty.

[Deacon Blues]

skitter you're still a bell-entangled cloud of probabilities to me at this point.

[Deacon Blues]

man and here i was hoping that we'd put that all behind us /s

fwiw my gut says you're town. analytics can't sync with gut in the current quantum state.

[Deacon Blues]

Good job with that umbrella before hammering, forwards thread. :/

[Deacon Blues]

GFITAC please acknowledge you've seen this:

I can't think of a way to talk about this that isn't bad. If I'm wrong and Superbowl wants to correct me, fine.

I think you are wrong but also I'm not talking about it. And shame on you gamma for asking this what possible benefit could come from that?

there’s been talk of exposing the crumbs across the board so I felt clarity should be the objective

alright. Most of that seems fair.
What about my claim pings you? I maaaybe can understand but it felt innocuous imo
debbie stated to me he thinks SS is scum, and I feel like with a lack of suspicions rn, and with no real hard vibe from SS, I think that's something I want to put out for discussion.
-BCCorp

Protective claims under duress always squick me a little because they play to town's wishful thinking. bodyguard is a claim that has a shelf life, which makes it less useful to scum for getting deep into the game, which is a mitigating point imo.

Who did you bodyguard last night?

I bodyguarded you.
-BCCorp

@Dandelion,

Is it umbrella time?

I assume this is what all the umbrella questions are about.

My question to Cabd, which wasn't answered that I noticed, was if it made sense to give GFITAC a list of 3 players to randomly choose between for their bodyguard target, to make the scum team's nightkill choice harder.

Yeah. Pretty sure I know what peta is now too btw.

So, superbowl, LLD, peta?

[Deacon Blues]

Lost cause. They don't listen to us anyways.

Bell said no and they're apparently fine with that. :/

[Deacon Blues]

i kinda think that pk will be a misflip too ...
i'm really not impressed with our collective ability to find and murder scum

Who are you pushing for elim?

[Deacon Blues]

You want to elim s_s before you know how Titus flips.

[Deacon Blues]

Yeahhh screw the whole "don't vote me I'm too cute thing"
UNVOTE: Dandelion Wine

-LD

Correction: "don't scumread me I'm too cute"
Still yucky

-LD

Entering this into the GFITAC permanent record.

[Deacon Blues]

Not given what we know now.

[Deacon Blues]

Aside from S_S, who feels scum who originated in this timestream and is still here?

[Deacon Blues]

Aside from S_S, who feels scum who originated in this timestream and is still here?

you asking me?

you know this ends poorly

To the thread at large.

[Deacon Blues]

Now do LLD.

[Deacon Blues]

okay then! i'll roll with that for now and circle back around to think about it once we go over everyone

Okay. Does that mean you have people you wanna go over with me rn while you're mulling me?

no one in particula, no. i was just going to go down the list, but with my main emphasis being the people who originated in this thread, because that really needs to be solved at some point and i've put too little brainpower into it

(quick thoughts on pk/pooky/a50: first two should be within the POE, a50 looked fairly town based on his iso from the other thread)

I agree with the bolded.

[Deacon Blues]

Now do LLD.

??? I told you she's town.

I accept she's town. That's not what I meant.

[Deacon Blues]

I can write that wall if I want to read it.

This is as close to a morph hydra as I've ever felt in a game that doesn't have morph in the player list.

If this is scum-you I've been totally, totally snowed.

[Deacon Blues]

Only 2?

I'm notoriously un-self-aware. I don't know what's in the blind spots, but I kinda know where they are.

[Deacon Blues]

yah.

still.

my gripe stands.

[Deacon Blues]

I guess the only reason I wouldn't is if I believe in my ability to save myself, and not just for a few days, but permanently.

I guess the question needs to go out to the people who have experience with me: do you think that, assuming I am town, you might realistically be able to get enough good towntells on me in the next few days that you would feel comfortable trusting me all the way to endgame?

After PYP I can't imagine skitter's answer being yes. I really can't imagine a yes from many people, honestly. Probably Firebringer. Maybe Pooky.

Given your thoughts of the likelihood, what do you want to do?

[Deacon Blues]

I guess the question needs to go out to the people who have experience with me: do you think that, assuming I am town, you might realistically be able to get enough good towntells on me in the next few days that you would feel comfortable trusting me all the way to endgame?

speaking personally it's entirely possible on my end this game, for this to happen w/ anyone that is regularly producing some kind of content; and that's not the only thing that could potentially happen to make me think you're town

curious as to where you're going with this though

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i feel like if there's even a shred of probably that titus flips scum we don't eliminate s_s today as that would almost assuredly clear s_s

-b

[Deacon Blues]

5209 and 5211 seems like she's flipping town though

-b

[Deacon Blues]

if LLD is tunneling you the only way you're going to get out of it is by catching scum or getting mod confirmed as town and the latter isn't going to happen so you'd better be able to do the former

This isn't true by my experience, but even if it were, my response is fuck that. I'm not playing this game to suit her expectations. I'm playing it to the best of my ability.

[Deacon Blues]

superbowl9
Petapan
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)
Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
skitter30

Of the original reverse timestream folks who are still here, I feel like s_s is the most likely to be scum, with skitter and midway bear as maybes. bork thinks midway bear is probably town.

Of the three incoming from the forwards timestream, I feel like pooky and pisskop are the most likely to be scum.

pisskop feels kind of like a default consensus and that worries me, even though if I had to decide right this second that's where I'd vote.

more thoughts tomorrow AM.

[Deacon Blues]

superbowl9:

UNVOTE: turnstyle - superbowl9

I would really like to get this skittles thing firgured out today, can yall somehow figure out whether you have enough of a cc to elim? It better be correct though

Besides that I’d love to yeet midwaybear out of here, pretty terrible content all around.
UNVOTE: midwaybear

Why is pooky being pushed as though everyone should have obvtowned FL there? Clearly many people saw scum there

Also not sure why there is a bunch of confusion about the NK, scum is just targeting turnstyles no?

i actually really don't like this post? the first line is especially grody if skitter is town (and in anticipation of someone saying "b-b-but you said you'd vote there and blame cabd if it's wrong" - not the same, also shut up). one liner vote on midwaybear with vague reasoning of "pretty terrible content". trying to avoid any placement of responsibility for the FL vote. i don't necessarily hate not immediately blaming pooky but something about the line "Clearly many people saw scum there" just makes it feel like writing the miselimination off without attempting to be critical of anyone on it at all.

4195 is a weird question to gamma. a significant chunk of his content today has just been with regard to speculation with the turnstile and purple room, a lot of fearmongering about things going wrong and complaining about the plan to clear a timestream being unrealistic. the stance on skitter where we should turnstile her even if we might eliminate her is weird. i don't like 4384. there's a continued leaning on other people about what we're doing with skitter - see stuff like 4681, 4682 where he's asking them about what they want to do, being a good little sheep - but there really is no sense at all that he's trying to sort skitter himself. 5157 is another fos with nothing behind it, just "I think A50 might just be scum". 5424 is sketchy, the followup of "Still think midwaybear is the better flip tho" isn't good, and given that this is the most words he has commited to this today, does this really look like town who is interested in pursuing a scumread? defends s_s when he's getting attention in 5518, then reiterates being okay with pisskop or midwaybear in 5519, 5746 is an unvote on pisskop when momentum is gathering there.


all that stubborn independent mindedness that seemed so town about him on day 1 just kind of vanished and he's been very complaisant. in comparison to someone like midway getting all the attention i feel like he's gotten by while doing much

less

. i went back through his iso and he's actually literally never given a real reason for midwaybear being scum?

Bork and I talked some about superbowl earlier tonight. bork's thoughts were similar to yours.

My thoughts are that I can kinda see why he could be demotivated. He went hard after FL yesterday as well as sort of opposing the wine club on principle. (I'm not entirely sure of the entire wine club membership but I'm definitely part of it.) Anyway, the wine club set the early agenda in this thread for day 2 - no turnstile from our side and getting superbowl and spiffeh into the purple room. He lost the turnstile battle. This thread has been about 50-60% focused on the forward timestream during the latter part of the day and I don't think he really cares for focusing on the thread he's not in.

So it's a lot of different things not going his way, on top of FL's flip.

I've had motivation dips this game day too, mostly around fear that we're going to miselim in both timelines again, so maybe I'm being overly sympathetic.

[Deacon Blues]

he doesn't come across as demotivated, he comes across as floaty. there is no tone to any of his posts that comes across as demotivation, there's strong emotion with regard to mech stuff but there's fight in it, not necessarily resignment, and when it comes to scumhunting stuff it's just not there. just look at the iso from that post i quoted and tell me it's

demotivation

and not coasting. even the first post is him saying the misyeet wasn't that bad! he's not demotivated! he's just not doing anything!

I though his activity dropped off after the purple room vote and then the holidays hit for real. The change in scumhunting activity is a thing, though, you're right.

[Deacon Blues]

superbowl9
Petapan
GFITAC (Gamma Emerald/Dr Easy Bake)
Deacon Blues (fferyllt/borkjerfkin)
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)
midwaybear
Something_Smart
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
skitter30

how is LLD so low

actually scratch that. i don't care

It's the order in the OP. It's not a reads list, it's the players in this thread who started in this thread.

[Deacon Blues]

Why'd you leave off the rest of that post, FB?

[Deacon Blues]

Then stop taking pointless potshots at them.

[Deacon Blues]

more like </3

[Deacon Blues]

Ooh. I misunderstood. back to <3

[Deacon Blues]

I would be surprised if there weren't some kind of vig, for one, and for two there exist other kill-stopping roles besides doctor (JK, bulletproof, commuter, hider) who may not have CC'd Bell. I'd like to believe that Cakez gave us enough ways to get on odds that one would likely trigger-- especially with what's probably a strongman, making the doctor less likely to do that.

Cabd, setup-wise what do you think about this?

[Deacon Blues]

depends on which thread a vig exists in, but yeah. I feel like there were decent vig pick in the reverse timestream, too.

pedit also yeah.

[Deacon Blues]

UNVOTE: turnstile ss

Done at this client. Back to the open roads and or seas for me.

Peta? Ffery?

What do you make of it now?

Yeah I want to turnstile SS. Still want to elim Pisskop but have misgivings about the consensusy feel to it.

Bork and I haven't had our full catchup yet.

Peta do you think the potential lovers would be T-T in a game with 2 factional scumkills for the first 3 days?

[Deacon Blues]

Fuck that case has legitimate points I can nod at. I was really hoping I'd be like "good case brah but nah" :/

Ffery, I think the day three meltdown is about to blow up a day early.

:/

*throws hands in air*

notsci talked some about his post-hiatus approach to scum in the illicit game. Not sure it will settle anything in my mind, and not sure I can find it without sifting carefully through a 4 page iso, but here goes.

[Deacon Blues]

FFERY GET OUT OF YOUR SCUM CHAT AND TALK TO ME I AM GOING INSANE DAMN YOU

let me panic about ceiling repair guy in my house all day in peace, damn it.

[Deacon Blues]

Not as much about it as I thought: "strongarming", "wifoming", "trying to get in front of the play"

[Deacon Blues]

And then I ask myself "Could the Cobra Kai thing be too hard to project as scum for him" but like, he's not a bad scum player by any means?

I've thought about this.

I've also thought about how it often feels like I'm rejecting my spine grafts. For me it's not that easy to intentionally change my playstyle and keep it changed.

But, that's me, not notsci.

[Deacon Blues]

i did object to the idea that he just dropped noraa instantly when nacho defended her- i remember it being a little more complex than that, although i could be wrong, and taking a few posts.

You're right. It wasn't instantaneous. It did feel quick, though. I remember thinking the moment when he just caved felt off. But Nacho's towncase was really compelling and even though I didn't want to deal with a noraa-town that obstructive, I bought in completely after sleeping on it.

[Deacon Blues]

haha imagine not being able to change playstyle at will

:sadyes:

[Deacon Blues]

I feel like I should light a candle for my Cobra Kai read, if not conduct an entire memorial service and proper burial.

[Deacon Blues]

that I really want to talk with bork about this shit.

Do you want the turnstile to be left alone tonight?

Part of me feels really stubborn about everything that we set out to do in the purple neighborhood night 1, but stomping some brakes feels like the right answer.

pedit yeah, that's a cheerful thought.

[Deacon Blues]

Part of me feels really stubborn about everything that we set out to do in the purple neighborhood night 1,

That plan didn't survivie first contact with the enemy. And honestly, so much of it was potentially off, that I don't know how we're gonna handle it today.

I just kind of want to stile S_S, nuke pisskop from orbit, pray we get 2 of the 3 red flipping, and if not cry myself to sleep.

I don't know that my heart can take much more of this and at least one of the morph heads can be around to give Annie more scrutiny tomorrow.

This is where I'm at, but I feel like the boatload of data in the thread over the last 24-ish hours should maybe have swayed me further? I dunno.

[Deacon Blues]

Feels like several townreads I'd written off just got yanked out from under me... but In a good way that forced me to re-evaluate?

I feel like I'm stuck between states.

[Deacon Blues]

If sb9 and annie are scum, why were both trying to get to the other thread so hard?

If they are scum, it implies there's scum positioned to go deep in this thread.

[Deacon Blues]

what's the vote count on pisskop?

no E-1 while we're figuring out turnstiling s_s.

[Deacon Blues]

so does bork.

[Deacon Blues]

If sb9 and annie are scum, why were both trying to get to the other thread so hard?

If they are scum, it implies there's scum positioned to go deep in this thread.

idfk

If they're both scum, they CAN'T be the only scum that started here. That or they expected pooky or A50 to town it up to an incredible degree after being lackluster enough to be turnstiled to this thread. Assuming no scum team in its right mind would expect pisskop to survive long enough for the threads to merge. That as a tactic doesn't make sense to me.

[Deacon Blues]

how did you two feel abt fire overnight/eod yesterday again?

I've never gone above a meh read there. Nacho (when he was thinking our side would have to turnstile in order for the forwards thread to turnstile today, that he'd be ok with firebringer being turnstiled. Which given the plan, was a pretty decent townread.

[Deacon Blues]

From the neighborhood:

Nacho's reads at the top.

NACHO, TAMMY NOTES FROM THE NIGHT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD

PART 2 - THE REVERSE THREAD

Nacho posted a list of his confident townreads in the reverse thread.

Superbowl9
Petapan
Deacon Blues
Dandelion Wine
Firebringer
Tenet/upside down sinkhole

[/b]

a lot of nacho, tammy discussion removed.

Cabd's first tier:

Deacon Blues
Dandelion Wine
Firebringer
Tenet

and second tier:

superbowl9
Petapan
Something_Smart

Order in each tiers wasn't seriatim.

I was ok with both lists, but didn't have s_s that high on my own due to not a whole lot of experience, and feeling like his town play was pretty ambiguous: the main things that jumped out at me in the recent games we'd played before was that a fair few of his posts were made with improving thread health as town. From cold meta, I saw he likes to setup-break/spec.

I wasn't seeing enough of either of these to feel super comfortable.

[Deacon Blues]

^^ that

[Deacon Blues]

oh god you're right.

[Deacon Blues]

lots of empty or low content posts early day 1.

[Deacon Blues]

in this game compared to that one. but, me scumreading him in illicit off his first post had a big impact, I think.

[Deacon Blues]

don't really trust that putting a vote on right now wouldn't hammer
i think pisskop should claim

if we think that ss is just going to turn around and be the elim tomorrow contingent on titus town flip then i think that's probably a sign we should turnstyle

setup spec wise i guess can see more reason for a lover pair that starts in opposite threads to be S-T (town has to spend resources getting them to the same thread for a potential reward) and it makes a T-T pair that starts in opposite threads that we were willing to spend a resource to turnstyle only for them to both flip town just a big "haha u fell for lava trik fuck you" (this is how i would see it when designing this at least)

conversely i see a lover pair that starts in the same thread probably viable from either T-T or S-T

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i think they think he's scum now

~
sooooooooooo is this just going to pk?

I don't trust most of you to sort notsci tbh.

If we're not alive tomorrow to push and weigh the results, then DON'T think our read waffle/softening/flipping is something strong enough to take to the bank on its own.

Dandelion can speak to the strength of their own convictions, but that's where bork and I are at.

[Deacon Blues]

That was just perfectly timed with the wrong phase of my paranoia cycle.

[Deacon Blues]

ugh, skitter.

UNVOTE: s_s turnstile -- this is t-1

[Deacon Blues]

ugh, skitter.

?

putting pisskop at e-1 before the turnstile vote is done.

[Deacon Blues]

Leaving the big hood with my thoughts on this in explicit detail shortly.

My thoughts on this are concrete but not a good idea to expose atm.

They will outlive me and reach you if I am unable to tell you myself, ffery.

I did this btw.

The little birdie says pooky is probably on the team, as you'll see when you meet him.

<3

I totally don't mind a pooky elim.

[Deacon Blues]

Elimination Votecount 6.07
PookyTheMagicalBear (4) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Dandelion Wine, Something_Smart, LadyLambdadelta, skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, Pisskop, Almost50

midwaybear (4) - Petapan, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, midwaybear, Something_Smart, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Pisskop, Almost50

un-inverting, this reads:

pooky (4) - deacon, petapan, firebringer, midwaybear

midway (4) - superbowl9, skitter30, dandelion wine, firebringer

interesting votecount

What do you derive from it?

[Deacon Blues]

Speaking of interesting vote counts.

Turnstile Votecount 6.02
Something_Smart (5) - superbowl9, GFITAC, Deacon Blues, midwaybear, Firebringer, PookyTheMagicalBear, Pisskop, Almost50

[Deacon Blues]

I thought you posted some reads yesterday but I evidently can't read your iso. :/

[Deacon Blues]

VOTE: turnstile ss

You were townreading him well before 6182, or at least saying all the elims are likely hitting town.

What changed?

[Deacon Blues]

I dont understand what you're asking me

He was at t-1 and you're townreading/not scumreading him

He posted and didn't retract his unvote on himself

You retracted your unvote

What about his post made you want to retract your unvote?

[Deacon Blues]

i think, i dont actually want to be on the wagon and i'm p sure my vote is not needed

in what universe is your vote not needed like <10 hours before deadline

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I'm not trying to force your conscience skitter. I'm trying to understand what you're even doing?

[Deacon Blues]

@Skitter

don't really trust that putting a vote on right now wouldn't hammer
i think pisskop should claim

if we think that ss is just going to turn around and be the elim tomorrow contingent on titus town flip then i think that's probably a sign we should turnstyle

setup spec wise i guess can see more reason for a lover pair that starts in opposite threads to be S-T (town has to spend resources getting them to the same thread for a potential reward) and it makes a T-T pair that starts in opposite threads that we were willing to spend a resource to turnstyle only for them to both flip town just a big "haha u fell for lava trik fuck you" (this is how i would see it when designing this at least)

conversely i see a lover pair that starts in the same thread probably viable from either T-T or S-T

-b

Bork posted this last night.

Do you think s_s becomes less likely to be the elimination in a day or two?

Do you want titus' flip to be absolutely sure of her alignment before deciding whether he needs to go?

[Deacon Blues]

intent to hammer pisskop in ~ 2 hours.

pedit yah

I'll be here through to deadline, so

[Deacon Blues]

Yeah I don't think the turnstile is happening either.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm here.

I can hammer now. Then I can drink too!

[Deacon Blues]

Did fb hammer the turnstile or one short?

[Deacon Blues]

k. foodtelling, but will watch the thread.

[Deacon Blues]

I'm here don't scare me like that.

[Deacon Blues]

Is it time?

[Deacon Blues]

UNVOTE: turnstile skitter30

[Deacon Blues]

VOTE: sipffeh

on reflection i would be ashamed to think scum enters the thread like that

UNVOTE: turnstile skitter30

because really why the hell not

good. I don't have to glower at you.

[Deacon Blues]

Also hi Spiffeh we saved the purple ticket for you.

But I kinda wish you two hadn't used it, because we probably want to murderize SB9 and there's enough trouble in the forwards thread already.

What'd you discuss in the purple hood?

UNVOTE: Almost50

This is still scum

Let's not.

[Deacon Blues]

hi ffery

If they want they can turnstile him back but I don't think he's scum and there are enough juicy lim targets over here

We barely had two pages in the Purple Room last night, all we really did was exchange reads lists and reasons for each person

I'm bad at neighborhoods

I'm curious what your thoughts are on Annie Edison atm?

very sad thoughts that we may to have to airlock him. I think we should have kept pushing Bell from our end yesterday and I'm pretty unhappy with bulge's play around my waffle.

[Deacon Blues]

I hope this purple room switch works out ok for both threads. :/

Thinking about if/how we should use it on Night 3.

[Deacon Blues]

VOTE: Bell

Inverse thread was looking to elim pooky yesterday and then it swerved onto pisskop.

You guys should almost certainly elim pooky today and examine what happened yesterday.

@Peta why superbowl9? I'd feel better getting Bell instead of letting him get away again.

This is kinda where my head is at regarding eliminating in the backwards thread right now. Thoughts, peta?

Ffery did you divine the answer to why I reverted or am I going to have to spell it out

I busted my ass saving you day 1 only to get stabbed right in the heart.

[Deacon Blues]

i am pretty much throwing any setup spec i had prior to today out the window and tbh was probably just a really crap way of approaching the game d1

i think peta is town and he definitely seems town to me on this page in particular and i'm not super happy with spiffeh's opening here on that slot i think his 6410 in particular is weak
i still think bell is town over there in other thread just based off his demeanor

I'm resetting on skitter. body of work overall seems town but i don't think that's good enough anymore.

-b

[Deacon Blues]

we also got 3 LLD votes in like almost no time which is like way more than we've had all game and i want to know what people see there in particular all the sudden

-b

[Deacon Blues]

actually, i kind of actively want to avoid spending a ton of conversation trying to sort the other thread in this thread unless it's about someone likely to get turnstyled; it's kind of making me not really want to engage and i think it's causing us to get into spots where we've got wagons that just sit there and we wait for them and they wait for us

-b

[Deacon Blues]

I'm still going to iso people including Annie,

did Pissko claim before they were killed?

No. and many impolite words were spoken in Deaconland, reading that flip.

[Deacon Blues]

i can obviously see potential scum motivation for lld putting forward the ss-flip but i can also see town motivation to get an extra town controlled flip on a suspect slot in a way that didn't use up an extra elim which i think is what we were all seeing

why do you think the scum case is more likely?

-b

[Deacon Blues]

CANNOT.

Do you get my drift?

yes

-b

[Deacon Blues]

i don't mind peta's posts about rolestopper + bodyguard esp considering they both started on this side; i think that's a very natural thought to have had

-b

[Deacon Blues]

nevermind i'm wrong about where they started disregard that part

-b

[Deacon Blues]

CANNOT.

Do you get my drift?

yes

-b

Good. As long as you get that, then you'll understand why I'm most suspicious of Peta and Skitter today.

I just don't think the scum shoot Gamma when there's real paranoia there, right? Too free. If they shoot a prio target and Gamma selects it, it's the same outcome.

So in my mind, personally I think I was shot last night, but Gamma dying while being on one of me you and firebringer, I think was the final choice?

it's done me a + town on you, because I think you're a higher likelyhood to have been targetted by Gamma. Even if my gut says they targetted me.

No dandelion and we specifically decided not to be under the umbrella.

Gamma never acknowledged our post, though, so who knows?

[Deacon Blues]

Yeah this is definitely scum going "hey this is too much power" and not town trying to solve based on who people want to eliminate because of that power.

this is escalating to a point where i'm having trouble figuring out what you're talking about now - this was originally about an offhanded comment peta made about being thankful for not having to solve gamma and i don't know what scum motivation you're trying to attribute to that in particular

-b

[Deacon Blues]

one of dandelion and deacon has to be scum, right?

I don't see a way they arent.

I am so incredibly certain that dandelion is town. I reserve the right to have a paranoid meltdown because it is day 3 after all, but every sane neuron in my brain says they're town.

[Deacon Blues]

If i had a gun to my head right now asked to name scum on this side i would probably say: dandelion, skitter, midwaybear, and maybe almost50

You've maaaaaaaaaaaybe named one scum in that group IMO.

[Deacon Blues]

It’s more effective if I can quote stripe it but

A) Cabd is in that list ffery spoke of early on that would LOVE to have the feather in his cap of snowing her in a pt
B) I still feel like bell is town and I feel like Cabd is almost trying to isolate Ffery from us? Like encouraging her paranoia?
C) continuing off b, I hated how yesterday he went and brought up how his read on me was dropping WHILE OUR THREAD WAS LOCKED and then like 4 pages later went “well I wish this came up while the other thread was unlocked” because that was sketchy as fuck.
D) how the fuck can’t he see bell is town

feel like most of this stuff is either hypothetical or also applies to ffery (esp wrt bell and her read on you) but you haven't batted an eye on our slot

[Deacon Blues]

annies probably town just from reading the tracker

also sb9 is practically openwolfing

yep. forwards thread need to be pressuring him.

our bad for giving him turnstile access. Mie scuse