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[Dwlee99]

Andre hasn't posted in 2 days, but STD in five. We need emojis on this forum so I can :weary

Pedit: to everyone so yes

[Dwlee99]

So who is scum, Andre?

Look, we know DotW isn’t worth touching. I think you, T3, and Kyouko are Town. And I’m fine with DW though they keep constantly proposing me which fine I’ve sucked this game it happens.

Titus probably needs to eat rope at some point. I probably should too but Titus first. And we can execute Gamma if we collectively feel mechanically it makes sense. I don’t necessarily see Rathe being Scum, but I’ve been tricked by the slot before. That’s where I am.

VOTE: Titus

votecount 3.5

Titus (4) :

Save The Dragons - T3 - Anya - andresvmb

Andresvmb (2) :

ChaosOmega - Dragon Of The West

Save The Dragons (2) :

Dwlee99 - VFP

Anya (2) :

DrippingGoofball - Titus

T3 (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

Rathe

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-07-05 10:26:12)

, with 12 alive, it takes 7 to slap someone

annoncements

prodding Anya

flavor

video number - 41
summary - Self-explainatory
would recommend ? - yeah sure go for it

Yesterday he voted Titus over the STD counterwagon when Titus was very likely to be eliminated.

[Dwlee99]

But this was D3

[Dwlee99]

Who does she make sense as partners with?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Titus

[Dwlee99]

That also was not hammer.

[Dwlee99]

To my knowledge Gypyx's previous count is wrong cause VFP never voted Titus.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Chaos
Go go go

[Dwlee99]

Well chaos wasn't on the Titus wagon for one.

[Dwlee99]

Everyone voting Titus did so despite the cleared town saying he wanted to kill Gamma first. Assuming Gamma is town (which feels likely given Titus saying we need to kill Gamma and the t3 kill) and the fact that it is unlikely scum bus their partner there when they are just lost if they do (cause PT cop + DotW = bad time for them) chaos makes sense as final scum.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe we should no lim to guarantee gamma!scum can't claim a guilty and win tomorrow? In case of 2 scum left?

[Dwlee99]

And if scum wouldn't bus their partner yesterday, why would they do it Day 3 with the same amount of scum left?

Is this in reference to you voting Titus D3?

[Dwlee99]

I'm confused why scum killed t3 of all people. Like, even if the PT cop cleared the slot wouldn't killing DotW be better there?

[Dwlee99]

Andres why are you back now after basically never posting for a while?

[Dwlee99]

Also just to comment on people scumreading me I feel like my interactions with flipped scum are very indicative of my alignment:
1.) Titus pushed me in the Me/Peta 1v1
2.) Nero caught nom trying to push me for terrible reasons
3.) I took VFP's side in the VFP/Nom 1v1
4.) I pushed through the elimination on Osuka over Anya
5.) While scum doubted Cyrus' claim, I believed it and not only said he was definitely town, suggested policy eliminating Titus to turn Cyrus into a vigilante
6.) Killed Titus yesterday over looking to eliminate Gamma

[Dwlee99]

T3 was literally doing nothing I wouldn't kill him.

I'm asking because Andres has this sudden burst of energy that feels weird. Like "oh shit I have to play now cause it's just me."

[Dwlee99]

Well it's not so good job. I was townreading you end of yesterday and that hasn't changed, it's just that after seeing you hard lurk it's weird.

[Dwlee99]

Andres find the evildoer thanks. Be Nero pt 2

[Dwlee99]

You should look at FIA WRC that just ended where I feel like she was doing the exact same thing later in the game. We had her caught early and shouldn't have let that go but instead she made it to D4 where she was just lurking and posting random stuff and we were okay with it.

[Dwlee99]

I mean in this game we let her get away with it, there she was town with a clear on her.

[Dwlee99]

Also just to comment on people scumreading me I feel like my interactions with flipped scum are very indicative of my alignment:
1.) Titus pushed me in the Me/Peta 1v1
2.) Nero caught nom trying to push me for terrible reasons
3.) I took VFP's side in the VFP/Nom 1v1
4.) I pushed through the elimination on Osuka over Anya
5.) While scum doubted Cyrus' claim, I believed it and not only said he was definitely town, suggested policy eliminating Titus to turn Cyrus into a vigilante
6.) Killed Titus yesterday over looking to eliminate Gamma

Like what do you think of this list?

[Dwlee99]

We let her live to D4 and killed Anya over her. That's as getting away with it as we can get.

[Dwlee99]

Now this is kind of crazy but if we want to we could mech-yeet Titus to make Cyrus into just a vengeful vigilante and leash his kills.

Let's not.

You don't want a vigilante? I want a vigilante.

[Dwlee99]

I unvote on the same page my guy

[Dwlee99]

I agree her response is more likely to come from scum here because she didn't do any "here are my reads" or town spew etc.

Pedit: thought he was voting Andres before unvoting?

[Dwlee99]

Except I said I thought she was scummy for it.

[Dwlee99]

So your 3863 unvoting her is saying likely scum reaction?

I thought that Titus was at E-1 with my vote which is why I unvoted.

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

I don't understand the wagon on Titus.

Maybe you can explain it for me then. Why is Titus a good lim today?

Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.

[Dwlee99]

I listed 6 nice ways my interactions make no sense if I'm scum and that is the post from me you ignored.

[Dwlee99]

The thing that turned the paranoia was the PT cop claim, with which fake claiming being a neighbor looks awful with an informed flip.

[Dwlee99]

Defending the slot

Also this is a total understatement. I was literally pleading to not kill Anya.

[Dwlee99]

I can understand stuff bothering you because I've been wrong but also do literally any reading of me/vax/Osuka/Titus.

[Dwlee99]

Once again: there is zero reason for me to stick my neck out there, stop the Anya wagon, and then randomly pick a scum buddy out of a PoE to kill. And your point that I defended nom isn't really correct when I voted him when VFP said me or him.

[Dwlee99]

I did defend him but ended up on his wagon later and I don't think I expressed a townread there after that.

[Dwlee99]

And again, I'm allowed to be wrong on things. DGB screamed for three days to kill Anya and hard townread nom.

[Dwlee99]

@peta/Nero, I largely feel Dwlee was scum that didn't know how to react as well. It almost feels like Dwlee is going to rely on a claim to get him through given the strong playerlist.

[Dwlee99]

btw

@nom

what does DW voting rathe mean?

As I see it he's more than happy to push another wagon instead of pursuing the 1v1, either out of genuine interest for pushing rathe or because he's trying to go away from that 1v1, which scum!dw would be happy to do in that position

The moment I implied Dw could be scum I have two players jumping at my throat and discrediting one of my explanations for it
Hmmmm
Intriguing
If you think I got nothing out of that whole thing you are mistaken, I am getting more and more by the second

Another funny fact is that Nero now isn't the only person who goes with the ridiculous theory that not only peta is scum, but me suggesting alternate wagons is a deflection move because I am buddy with peta, now DW seems to also want to go with the theory now that I suggested his post progression is plausible from scum!him, that's just quite funny timing

So you think he is a possible buddy for peta? What if rathe is evil though and we get him?

On another note wrt the neighborhood, I don't think we should touch the neighborhood for now.

Don't even pretend, the implication is very clear here lol
I see the move coming from a mile away

[Dwlee99]

No, I'm giving an example of another townie that has been wrong way more than I have been this game.

[Dwlee99]

Well chaos wasn't on the Titus wagon for one.

Everyone voting Titus did so despite the cleared town saying he wanted to kill Gamma first. Assuming Gamma is town (which feels likely given Titus saying we need to kill Gamma and the t3 kill) and the fact that it is unlikely scum bus their partner there when they are just lost if they do (cause PT cop + DotW = bad time for them) chaos makes sense as final scum.

They also kind of tried to bait me yesterday into voting Kyo when I posted 3888.

They also had an early post that almost looked way too correct which I know is weird but they had their bottom as T3/Titus/nom/vax and I think it comes across TMI.

[Dwlee99]

They weren't just throwing shade on me, they were voting me and trying to get me killed. Titus especially was going hard into getting me killed early day one by playing into Peta vs me and buddying Nero. Nom's posts could be classified as shade but are also just stupid stuff trying to make me lose credibility and have people scumread me.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Titus

I'm cool with a Titus wagon if one would like to get off the ground. I was asked for a readlist before, I feel like I have enough of a handle on the game now to make one.

{peta, Dwlee, DotW, DGB}
{STD, rathe}
{Anya, VFP, Andres, Kyouko}
{osuka, Vax}
{T3, Titus}

I'm swamped at work, but I'll be in front of a computer if someone wants me to go into detail on any of these.

This reads list is the one that felt TMI to me. Idk many people who just name 3 scum in the bottom four in the middle of day two.

Pedit: Kyo then you I think.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
I've changed my mind on chaos. I need to reconsider some stuff but relooking at day 2 makes me feel like chaos and Titus aren't teamed like I thought in my 3888 but forgot why.

[Dwlee99]

Dude if I was scum I'd just ask Titus in my PT not in game thread

[Dwlee99]

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I'm just super apathetic right now. If Cyrus is targeting me I'm dead tonight anyway and I don't think anyone cares to listen to me. DGB's day play should be getting it thrown out a window but apparently we have a clear on the slot and I don't know who is scum because I feel like engagement levels with the game are nonexistent.

Also just read this interaction

[Dwlee99]

Dude if I was scum I'd just ask Titus in my PT not in game thread

What haha no.

The other point of this is that I was going with DGB/DotW hard townreading the slot there and trying to form a counterwagon to Anya. I asked multiple people there who they would vote iirc.

[Dwlee99]

Also Osuka tell me who is scum cause honestly I'm just working from a PoE right now and your name stuck out cause I haven't seen you do anything.

You are scum
The players you defend are scum
The players you push are town

Maybe this shit got me demotivated at that point in the game?

[Dwlee99]

I'm saying read the whole dialog between VFP and I for context on why I unvoted there.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo is just scummy by play and same with Chaos. I don't have some detailed case on them. If we embrace traitor theory then Kyo being okay with Anya claiming neighbors could be her thinking Anya claimed traitor maybe.

Part of my issue with forming reads here is I feel like scum distanced super well and I teetering on thinking that maybe people shouldn't be cleared via interactions.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like she has coasted thorough the game for the most part. It seemed that her contributions have been: confirm neighbor claim -> coast -> say don't kill Anya -> coast -> coast -> etc.

I think the most thoughts I've seen from her was when she voted chaos today.

[Dwlee99]

also not rereading anything except recent pages so glhf

someone give me a summary

We have gotten three scum.
We think there is one left or one main and a traitor.
Everyone claimed VT except Gamma (Odd-night PT cop) and DotW (informed townie, essentially mason without PT with DGB who confirmed this before dying)

[Dwlee99]

How did you figure that out? Coasting or?

[Dwlee99]

Well yes I understand you've done it before I just want to know what makes you say it now.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not seeing a lack of complexity. Can you clarify?

[Dwlee99]

Maybe I should stop shutting off my brain when I see a lot of words.

[Dwlee99]

In my dream Kyo was traitor. I need to stop having mafia dreams wtf

[Dwlee99]

I had a dream that Titus and someone named Connor were the last scum. I might be playing too much mafia.

I am not the scum you are looking for.

lol

[Dwlee99]

PT cop implies traitor but it could just be a red herring + to make any result less "final" than a cop.

[Dwlee99]

Everyone else has claimed VT iirc.

[Dwlee99]

Gamma who do you want to check tonight?

[Dwlee99]

Your slot got into a gladiator 1v1 with a strong scum power role day one. The slot ended up replacing out but then died N2 and we figure you're pretty likely town for it.

[Dwlee99]

Sounds like as long as dragon lives I can't be mislimmed let's gooo

[Dwlee99]

Sounds like as long as dragon lives I can't be mislimmed let's gooo

Lol so that gets you to like....D6

Well hopefully by then we have killed the evildoer(s)

[Dwlee99]

Killing gamma today makes no sense given they get a check tonight.

[Dwlee99]

What tell? Im good with you checking chaos fwiw.

[Dwlee99]

That or Andres realistically.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo -> Check Chaos/Andres -> Lim Gamma -> Lim Chaos/Andres depending on Gamma check.

Based on last night I'm actually assuming STD will be the kill tonight but them or DotW being killed isn't actually a mechanical difference.
I've adopted the opinion that 12 v 5 doesn't make sense traitor or not given minis are 10 v 3. You don't give town two players AND give scum two. It doesn't make sense for balance.

[Dwlee99]

7 v 1
5 v 1
3 v 1
Ye we have enough lims for this.

[Dwlee99]

I was voting Titus even though you gave me an out to vote Kyo instead and try to push that if I wanted to.

[Dwlee99]

I also could have just voted Gamma at any time if I wanted to. You're trying to present my progression as scummy when it's just a completely natural way to react to information and try to process it.

[Dwlee99]

Inevitable? Bruh

Pedit: sorry I don't have mod information that says he is town I guess?

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

Chaos' progression on Gamma looks sus to me, I dont think we have to lim Gamma today. Rathe is simply not scum with osuka

Why not?

UNVOTE:
I was this conversation to happen.

votecount 4.3

Gamma Emerald (4) :

Titus - ChaosOmega - T3 - Dragon Of The West

Exe-2

ChaosOmega (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Andresvmb (1) :

Gamma Emerald

Titus (1) :

Save The Dragons

Not voting (3) :

Andresvmb - VFP - Dwlee99

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-07-20 15:38:30)

, with 10 alive, it takes 6 to slap someone

annoncements

prodding andresvmb

flavor

summary : Animations (huge violence warning)
would recommend? - nah

What about Titus is she town?

I think we just go Titus.
Scum killing Nero show either a threat there or setting up Titus more. However, I don't think they target Nero as a protective PR, meaning that this wasn't a consideration when killing and most likely means Titus is lying.

VOTE: Titus

why would titus kill nero

i don't think nero is a kill titus would never make but i just want to see more from her today instead of jumping to a conclusion

i agree, im not saying nero is a kill titus never would make. i'm just saying it's also a kill that, if titus is town, scum still couldve made for that exact reason

I don't like these vibes really.

@Osuka Post Dunn flip? I don't see what would make it change. I like your point on vaxkiller and I'm fine throwing that slot out the window if we have to. I still think t3 is a good wagon and I want to say there though. Here are some of my thoughts on t3 summarized:

I don't like how T3 seems to be playing both "sides" of the game here, questioning the DotW + DGB + Titus town block claim but then voting with them on Anya is super weird. I also feel like his absence in light of the claim from Anya + wagon on him is weird, like he is hoping he can just pretend to have been gone and leave his vote there and conveniently avoid the wagon along with it. I know t3's playstyle is kinda like it has been this game, but I think trying to lurk through pressure is super scummy and made even worse by the fact that he is voting a slot that claims town power role and who I believe. If we could force t3 back into the game at least to lock him into a claim that would be great.

I was asking does the majority of the game consider dotw titus and dgb a townblock.

Vax/DGB/Titus and I think Petapan

I need to read more dotw. T3, I feel like your quieter this game, any reason why?

I'm not on on peoples town lists yet prolly, but I will be.

Does Vax not put any of his scum partners in their town block?

@Osuka Post Dunn flip? I don't see what would make it change. I like your point on vaxkiller and I'm fine throwing that slot out the window if we have to. I still think t3 is a good wagon and I want to say there though. Here are some of my thoughts on t3 summarized:

I don't like how T3 seems to be playing both "sides" of the game here, questioning the DotW + DGB + Titus town block claim but then voting with them on Anya is super weird. I also feel like his absence in light of the claim from Anya + wagon on him is weird, like he is hoping he can just pretend to have been gone and leave his vote there and conveniently avoid the wagon along with it. I know t3's playstyle is kinda like it has been this game, but I think trying to lurk through pressure is super scummy and made even worse by the fact that he is voting a slot that claims town power role and who I believe. If we could force t3 back into the game at least to lock him into a claim that would be great.

I was asking does the majority of the game consider dotw titus and dgb a townblock.

Vax/DGB/Titus and I think Petapan

I need to read more dotw. T3, I feel like your quieter this game, any reason why?

I'm not on on peoples town lists yet prolly, but I will be.

Does Vax not put any of his scum partners in their town block?

If you take out Vax rule of 3 points to Titus

That's what I was thinking.

Yep I definitely only suspected Titus when it was inevitable. She has one vote, I un E-1 Gamma and then make a series of arguments pointing to Titus!scum.

[Dwlee99]

The Poe pool to me is literally everyone but me/Koba/DotW/STD.

@koba: you weren't there for last day phase or day two. I pushed a wagon off of town onto scum, and then yesterday I was the first real voice talking about killing Titus. Chaos is playing up my doubts while I was gauging my own confidence in my read to discredit that I am probably the reason gamma is still here.

Pedit: yea I said "Osuka I'm PoEing you" and that isn't a CONFIDENT read. Why would I be confident on that ever?

[Dwlee99]

You're creating intent where there isn't any. I wasn't "trying to defuse the wagon," I was figuring out my read.
VOTE: Chaos
I can't remember if I'm voting here already. This push isn't good faith.

Pedit: I was the one bringing it up D4. Did you even bother reading the posts I quoted or any of the context? STD was just sitting on the wagon, sure, but he wasn't casing Titus or doing anything to push her elimination. And then when Gamma is at E-1 and it seems like he is gonna be hammered I unvote and case Titus.

[Dwlee99]

And the unvote on Osuka was because 1.) No one was willing to listen to me except for VFP!slot (thanks if you're spectating btw) and 2.) Cyrus was talking about killing me with the babysitter shot. Like in that game state the "masons" were both pushing Anya, calling me her scum buddy, then Cyrus replaced into one of my biggest town reads and then promptly decided to go "yes I am this babysitter vigilante abomination" and threatened to use it on me.

[Dwlee99]

Pretty much all of day two in my memory is being shouted down by people trying to murderize Anya and then I finally felt like I made progress and the Cyrus thing happened. It was awful.

[Dwlee99]

There you go assigning intent and you're just full of shit

[Dwlee99]

and then I finally felt like I made progress and the Cyrus thing happened.

So you can read this

[Dwlee99]

Being killed by a Cyrus vig shot would be absolutely horrendous.

[Dwlee99]

I actually can't imagine a worse end to a game

[Dwlee99]

No, I didn't. I was considering if I was on the completely wrong path because slots I town read (Cyrus + the masons that had softed day 2) were telling me 1. I'm wrong on Anya 2. I'm scum for being wrong on Anya 3. I'm getting killed that night (which clearly would have happened considering Cyrus got killed) 4.) My fourth is just that DGB was no fun to interact with this whole game

[Dwlee99]

You know what I do as scum there? I power drive Osuka into the ground so people can't point to it and be like "oh it was just a soft bus blah blah." I go full LLD if I'm scum there diffusing the wagon on Anya. I wouldn't try to break deepwolf for fucking Osuka of all people.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee I don't care how wrong you think Chaos is, they are blatantly town here.

All of their reasoning is ass-backwards. They are making reasons to reach a conclusion, rather than forming a conclusion on sound reasoning.

[Dwlee99]

votecount 1.12

Dunnstral (9) :

ChaosOmega - Dwlee99 - petapan - Dragon Of The West - DrippingGoofball - Save The Dragons - Vaxkiller - T3 - Nero Cain

Execution

ChaosOmega (2) :

Anya - Titus

DrippingGoofball (2) :

ssbm-Kyouko - VFP

Nero Cain (1) :

Rathe

Rathe (1) :

Osuka

Osuka (1) :

Andresvmb

Not Voting (1) :

dunnstral

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-12 01:56:28)

, with 17 alive, it takes 9 to turn someone into a corpse

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flavor

video number 1
summary - Idk how to summarize that, comedy tho
would recommend ? - yea

And you know I've seen town be wrong before, of course. Like terribly wrong for terrible reasons. But at least they believed in it. Chaos reads like he has absolutely zero real belief in this push.

[Dwlee99]

Q+ cache once again zz

[Dwlee99]

Again, this doesn't correlate. You thought you made progress on getting the lim onto osuka from Anya, and then Cyrus said he's going to target you. So you said fuck it, I'm going to now unvote to undo what I thought was right because I'm bummed that I'm going to die. Did you want Anya to die after the Cyrus thing?

Also thinking about this this morning, the above post feels awful because it makes me think Chaos isn't reading the game because I had already quoted earlier in the thread the exact interaction I had with VFP after I had unvoted.

"Did you want Anya to die after the Cyrus thing" is something that I answered for VFP day 2, AND quoted last day phase.

[Dwlee99]

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I guess Dwlee is happy for us to go back and lim Anya over Osuka at this point?
Otherwise I don't get the unvote.

I'm just super apathetic right now. If Cyrus is targeting me I'm dead tonight anyway and I don't think anyone cares to listen to me. DGB's day play should be getting it thrown out a window but apparently we have a clear on the slot and I don't know who is scum because I feel like engagement levels with the game are nonexistent.

Also just read this interaction

It was actually this day phase, even worse. I just think Chaos is not really reading to try to sort, but instead wants to cherry pick things I've said. Why does Chaos ask me a question that if he had common sense he would know the answer to, but also one that was quoted this day phase?

[Dwlee99]

And the fact that DGB/Titus if town are just being extremely obtuse here is so frustrating for me, which is why I am honestly hoping DotW/DGB are just gambiting masons or something because it makea this game make more sense. I know peta was saying "do you think scum plays like that" referring to them just all buddying and pushing together in their town block but honestly maybe? I don't see anything to townread anyone in those slots by day play, only the fact that we have a supposed mech clear in there.

And the Nero kill makes perfect sense now because he was one of the only people keeping the game going and was one of the only people who would be catching anyone. Maybe I need to reread day one to refresh my reads but I just feel like no move here is correct.

I mean, I've been listening to you.

Yea I appreciate that but honestly you should only do it wrt the Anya situation because the only thing I feel confident in this game is that Anya is telling the truth when she says she got no result on Peta because the progression is exactly like someone who was asked "make sure you read the right thing in your pm" and they said "o I misread."

And honestly maybe Anya is a scum voyeur or something stupid like that but is Gypyx that mean to us?

Wanna point out also that Titus' logic is making zero sense and she has just been death tunneling this Anya/kill neighbors thing. I know that she can do it as town, but the way she is going about it makes me feel super bad about her slot this game. Like "how could we ever trust her about the no result if she lied about neighbors" is such a terrible line of reasoning and feels made up.

And for further context on that VFP interaction here are the next couple of posts from the interaction I said people should look into.

[Dwlee99]

Chaos today, check Kyo tonight.

[Dwlee99]

If the game isn't over after we throw chaos over a bridge I'm gonna have to do a total reeval of everyone and I wanna get that over with.

[Dwlee99]

I'm so mentally stuck on this though like I just think the game is over after today. You know what shouldn't get town cred? Putting your 3 scum buddies in your bottom 4, vote parking on them, and not doing actual push work.

Pedit: why can't we flip gamma tomorrow?

Pedit2: yes I would

[Dwlee99]

I'm so mentally stuck on this though like I just think the game is over after today. You know what shouldn't get town cred? Putting your 3 scum buddies in your bottom 4, vote parking on them, and not doing actual push work.

Pedit: why can't we flip gamma tomorrow?

Pedit2: yes I would

[Dwlee99]

I don't think 12 v 5 is balanced traitor or not so yea I don't think traitor here.

[Dwlee99]

Nah don't check me. I'm not limmed unless dragon is dead.

[Dwlee99]

Yea and you'll just night kill him. Big woop. I don't wanna be checked because I don't want to be night killed. I'm like half the game being alive right now.

[Dwlee99]

We should clear slots that are hard to read or not contributing much. T3 + STD fit both of those criteria. I'm the biggest contributor and scum would love to get to night kill me and stop a clear at the same time.

[Dwlee99]

That you couldn't respond to the bottom of the last page or top of this page shows basically everything. You were clearly watching the thread to know to pop in when you got put to E-1 sooo

Pedit: The point is scum would get to kill a clear AND the biggest contributor. They need to target clears to avoid just losing on process of elimination.

[Dwlee99]

Figure it out

[Dwlee99]

I think funniest timeline is there is a traitor and it's VFP and he was trying to tell you not to get into it with me yesterday with his "barking up the wrong tree" comment.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think that is what is happening but if it was that would be extremely funny to me.

[Dwlee99]

I also wouldn't leave Gamma alive in any world so not seeing your point. I would just kill him because what could have stopped it?

[Dwlee99]

And yea I mean if this isn't you then it is Dats but I don't understand why we are still even playing this to be honest.

i have no idea why this game is still going on

just vote out dats and its over

or do you really want to sit thru datisi's lolperformance tomm

i might self hammer just to see it actually but ive never selfhammered in my life

Let's guess this player's alignment.

[Dwlee99]

If I was scum who played this bad up to this point and got myself here, I would have self-hammered already

[Dwlee99]

Do you have any points against my case?

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather no lim than get chaos.
Dragon, unvote.

Do you have any points against my case?

[Dwlee99]

I think funniest timeline is there is a traitor and it's VFP and he was trying to tell you not to get into it with me yesterday with his "barking up the wrong tree" comment.

My tinfoil hat grows stronger with every passing minute.

[Dwlee99]

Hey Koba what role are you?

[Dwlee99]

If you have 4 nights of results I think that's important to share?

[Dwlee99]

Hey Koba if you have an invest role you should be claiming your results.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Gunsmith doesn't help find traitor in a traitor game so why do you suspect gunsmith + traitor?

[Dwlee99]

I also don't get how Koba can't respond to my case or even acknowledge I'm speaking here.

[Dwlee99]

Okay so Koba. How is Chaos locktown?

[Dwlee99]

That would be called an informed enabler which I have not seen before.

[Dwlee99]

Hey Koba can you claim?

[Dwlee99]

Given that they're softing an inno on you I would like them to hard claim it if they actually do.

[Dwlee99]

this is just something to act like you're talking about something important while keeping the game state the same and making my lim inevitable.

Also this line is ridiculous. I don't think you actually believe this.

[Dwlee99]

I think I understand.

[Dwlee99]

Koba should just claim and I trust that DotW has a reason to believe Koba should claim that also shouldn't be said first (for instance, part of his and DGB's roles perhaps)

[Dwlee99]

I personally think Koba should claim next post they make.

[Dwlee99]

But koba I already did that day one with Peta. I got it out of my system.

[Dwlee99]

Why didn't you respond to anything I said about Chaos and just said "they're town?"

[Dwlee99]

Chaos' reaction to my push feels really bad though. He ignored large swaths of posts and said there was nothing to respond to, etc. There's good stuff in his ISO (associatives, voting scum, etc.) but it looks TMI (3 scum in list of 4 day 2), and I'm gonna check the end of day one things cause I wanna see which wagons mafia were pushing (it was kind of chaos vs Dunn at end of day one).

[Dwlee99]

I'm also not sure if I believe you've really ISO'd Chaos

[Dwlee99]

votecount 1.10

Dunnstral (5) :

ChaosOmega - Dwlee99 - petapan - Dragon Of The West - DrippingGoofball

ChaosOmega (4) :

Vaxkiller - Anya - T3 - Titus

DrippingGoofball (2) :

ssbm-Kyouko - VFP

Nero Cain (1) :

Rathe

Titus (1) :

Nero Cain

T3 (1) :

Save The Dragons

Rathe (1) :

Osuka

Osuka (1) :

Andresvmb

Not Voting (1) :

dunnstral

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Traditional reading of vote counts seems like chaos is town here, but I'm unsure because of how aggressively mafia distanced this game.

[Dwlee99]

@koba: you weren't there for last day phase or day two. I pushed a wagon off of town onto scum, and then yesterday I was the first real voice talking about killing Titus.

Weird. I remember pushing Titus way earlier than you did and over Anya which you voted, but I’m getting 0 credit for it in your post.

Quote where I said I think you're scum instead of you could be scum.

[Dwlee99]

not being uncharitable towards others.

:I

[Dwlee99]

What is chaos' case against me?

[Dwlee99]

+1, think we can make some more use of the day as it seems Andre is doing some reading but I'm in spirit on Kyo or chaos.

[Dwlee99]

But no. We are checking Kyo.

[Dwlee99]

I don't want to be night killed. I also think it is so much more useful for me to solve knowing other people are cleared than just confirming what I already know.

[Dwlee99]

If I was cleared I would be!
Pedit: killed

[Dwlee99]

If I was cleared, one of DotW or STD would make it to ELO over me.

[Dwlee99]

And? Again, what’s the issue?

I want to be in the game where I can make decisions, not reading from the dead thread where it is out of my hands.

[Dwlee99]

The funny thing is - DW has a LOT of posts. Far more than the average person in this game. I don’t know if I should be considering that or not.

Out of curiosity: what do you want to consider about that? That I spend too much time checking here? True.

[Dwlee99]

At this point I'm just taking it as a compliment that you think I'm evil.

[Dwlee99]

I read Kyouko’s ISO - I’m not seeing why people think the slot is Scum.

Actually I take that back - votes wise, Kyouko’s history is not great.

I personally have caught Kyouko as scum on D1, so like catching her on day 5 on a fresh replacement is fairly trivial for me here.

Talk to me about dwlee, I personally have, after misreading them, read them well, but obviously have never rolled against scum them so I don't have a baseline, but I do feel they are town here on gut.

You never did this about my chaos read

[Dwlee99]

Titus wagon is dead, I'll make my vote useful.

VOTE: osuka

I don’t think this is something Scum ever do. So they move from one of their Partners to the other? Why? Bussing happens sure, but this would be idiotic from a member of the Scum Team.

I think a lot of Chaos' ISO is vote parking scum but then not pushing it and I don't think vote parking clears a slot.

Pedit: You completely ignored my Chaos case, ignored the entire back and forth, refused to explain why Chaos is town except saying "read his ISO," etc. I get you don't respect my tunnel because I know I can be wrong, but you could at least take the time to consider it and talk to me about it.

[Dwlee99]

You're actually kidding me here

[Dwlee99]

Am I actually at risk of lim right now?

[Dwlee99]

Andres if you're town you're being extremely stupid and you should very well know why if you have paid attention this game

[Dwlee99]

All I'm going to say is to consider my position on the Anya wagon carefully day two and try to figure it out. Let me know if you need more help

[Dwlee99]

Not what I even said but okay. Your case is bullshit, because you expect me to just sit on people without ever reconsidering which is what I do any time I'm not tunneled. Chaos has twisted my words multiple times and literally just stopped posting because of my case on them and you think I'm evil here

Pedit I'm saying day two

[Dwlee99]

What do you want me to respond to? So far it's me making points against you and you going nuh-uh.

Read the context here to see if it makes ANY SENSE for town to say this

[Dwlee99]

Yes associative tells are so solid which is why vax is clear from Osuka calling them out multiple times in the game.

[Dwlee99]

And Andres I'm talking specifically about D2 and you should know why I'm annoyed right now which is part of why I have thought you're town then.

Pedit: I don't remember exactly what happened to super specifics. I know I unvoted Osuka and Titus at various points, and I thought Nero's initial push on nom was bad. (It seemed to me like a post Nom made was very value neutral: nom said something about how I could do something as town or scum and Nero said that this was scummy because he was manufacturing reasons to scumread me. I disagreed with this (still do) but I realized I think it is scummy for a different reason: Nom was not actually trying to solve for my slot, he was just going "meh it's either way who knows" sort of posting and not advancing an argument that what he had done had helped him sort me. God that was long, anyway, but the Osuka unvote Andres takes issue with was after I started the wagon. I went around telling people 1.) Don't kill Anya because I believe she is an announcing voyeur (town or not) and then 2.) picked Osuka out of a PoE to kill and got annoyed at people (like Rathe (now gamma) and Andre) who kept popping on to Anya telling them to vote Osuka. My unvote came after Cyrus joined the game, said I was scum for defending Anya, and then said he was going to target me with the combined babysitter vigilante which would have killed me.

[Dwlee99]

I had Titus south of null the first and second day. I suggested policy eliminating her at one point to make Cyrus into a plain vigilante after we had both claims. I pushed her claims that her/dgb/dotw were a town block extensively, and only started leaving the slot alone because DGB/dotw who were masons believed in the push that much. Day 4 we were going to kill Gamma with DotW's blessing, when Kyo said she thinks Titus could be evil (or something like that) and I unvoted and wrote some reasons I think Titus is evil. Then I felt like Gamma wasn't playing up to town!him because last time he replaced into a slot with me in the game he obvtowned and got super solvey, so I voted him. But then later I got onto Titus and thought we should do that instead, when I could have said mech-play is killing Gamma cause cop claim.

[Dwlee99]

It's missing context and literally nothing you say is concrete @andres. Do scum move votes around? Sure, sometimes. So do town. The fact that I created the Osuka wagon and cased him (albeit late to get the last two votes) and cased Titus should say enough that me unvoting these slots at different times has nothing to do with my alignment.

Pedit: because I was convinced she could be scum announcing voyeur which in hindsight was idiotic because why would scum have blocked her.

[Dwlee99]

Masons have to have a partner for it to be normal I think.

Nero gets to be town. Titus is nullscum for the way she interacted with the DGB proposal and her early vote on me. Peta is weird af for holding onto this "mod meta" that is apparently so important but not important enough to just say.

Here is my first read post on Titus but okay

[Dwlee99]

Because I've agreed with Nero on outcome but not process at times. His case on pre-flip associatives was bad but I think I should have taken the active lurking accusation more seriously

Pedit: dude I've been wrong and you made basically the exact same post about nom and I don't think you're evil.

[Dwlee99]

On the topic of nom though, VFP death tunneled the slot and I voted Nom! I think chaos' first post is saying nom and Nero is TvT and then voting dunnstral, which became that wagon iirc.

[Dwlee99]

Oh so you mean what I just posted there but remembering my thought process from like two months ago?

[Dwlee99]

Andres, I've been wrong. I KNOW THAT. But I'm not lying. I did case Osuka and Titus even if I've faltered in confidence at times. Sometimes I death tunnel, sometimes I wander to my conclusions while rereading things. I reread Titus things and was considering that slot scummy, thought about Gamma more, and then before my Titus vote I was reading more there and thinking about trusting in the power of Nero and my earlier case.

Pedit: I don't even know who I was voting in that post you quoted because it's completely devoid of context so what was I doing there?

[Dwlee99]

Oh so you mean what I just posted there but remembering my thought process from like two months ago?

You misremembering what you’ve posted is your issue, not mine. If you want to say my case is bullshit, then at least get basic shit right.

Because I've agreed with Nero on outcome but not process at times. His case on pre-flip associatives was bad but I think I should have taken the active lurking accusation more seriously

Pedit: dude I've been wrong and you made basically the exact same post about nom and I don't think you're evil.

what are your thoughts on Titus and why did you never give your thoughts on nom?

I think the thing about Titus active lurking is kinda meh and I don't like the pre-flip associatives otherwise. I likewise just don't feel strongly on the nom stuff. Nom's posting feels good enough to me on a tonal read

Yep, definitely Scum Read there.

This is literally an echo of my past selves thoughts but updated to my reeval on Titus+active lurking. What did I misremember?

[Dwlee99]

How is Titus saying you have bad reads relevant?

But like, for evidence that I'm allowed to be wrong: my last game with Koba I tunneled town all day one, had one scum in null-scumish territory, and I believe was townreading both the other ones.

Pedit: I'm saying you're being stupid because I think you're being oblivious to something that happened on day 2 and that's why I'm getting so frustrated. I don't mean to make this personal which is why I keep saying you're being rather than you are.

[Dwlee99]

I think it's pretty normal to be annoyed about it but that's just me. Especially when I think you're oblivious to something.

[Dwlee99]

Oh yea. In my defense wrt that, Titus' reads were 1.) Much worse and 2.) I called them out on it

Pedit: can you reread me+you joint ISO around time of Anya thing happening?

[Dwlee99]

Dude could is on such a different plane than probable. Am I talking about killing you today? No.

[Dwlee99]

Like, if I reach M/ELO I'm going to do a complete reeval. Is it more likely I would keep thinking you're town? Yes, but there is no hard clear on you.

[Dwlee99]

I understand that unvoting scum will look bad. This game is about intent though. Like I said to Chaos earlier, if I'm scum bussing Osuka day 2, I don't see why I would unvote out of frustration like that. I would have powered through it because 1.) I'd know what the flip will be and 2.) I know it generally looks better to hard push your buddy than be wishy washy on it.

My opinion on Anya changed almost entirely because 1.) Scum announcing voyeur was possible and 2.) When Gamma claimed PT it was mentioned that fake claiming neighbor looks extremely bad when scum could have been informed of its existence.

[Dwlee99]

Could be scum =/ in PoE for today. Like, the PoE today is Gamma (not limming today cause mech), Kyo, and Chaos.

And fmpov yes you could be scum if 4p is me/you/koba/conftown.

[Dwlee99]

Andres, you're literally missing my entire point. There's a reason I'm asking you to reread our conversation when the day 2 Anya wagon happened, and it's not to debate the facts.

[Dwlee99]

happy scumday andres also I am seeing what you are laying down with clarity even just based on what has been going on this dayphase.

You still have not even shown you've read my chaos case.

Pedit: yea there's my point, read my interaction with chaos this day phase where chaos accuses me of nu-uhing and there not being anything to respond to, after I make like 8 posts about them and their case on me

[Dwlee99]

STD has a PT cop clear

[Dwlee99]

I do not believe you actually believe 4433

[Dwlee99]

Koba I know you think I'm a terrible town player but you don't have to be so condescending.

[Dwlee99]

That was day one. DGB died night 3, after it started townreading me and it was confirmed town.

[Dwlee99]

At the time DGB died instead of DotW I'm pretty sure DotW scumread me more than DGB did. Like what do you think you're doing pulling quotes from day ONE to explain a night three kill.

Pedit: Peta townread me on replace out...

[Dwlee99]

Koba you are actually giving me the same exact vibes as Titus did when she was pushing Anya. There is NO WAY you believe any of what you just spewed.

[Dwlee99]

Like holy shit that sequence was so fucking bad. Did VFP actually do that bus there?

[Dwlee99]

If you think Anya is town and I'm evil you'll have to figure out why I spent all of yesterday saying Anya was a bad elimination and then randomly wagoned Osuka.

What if I think Anya is scum and you're not?

Here's DGB last stated read on me.

[Dwlee99]

DGB was screaming for Anya's head since day one

[Dwlee99]

Oh alright, it looks like Dwlee is just a townie with a broken scumdar.

If you want a strict definition of "stated"

[Dwlee99]

Explain why you think DGB would think I am evil for Anya flipping town.

[Dwlee99]

Oh the next post where the mason tells me I'm wrong on Anya and Titus after I point out something scummy Titus is doing :upsidde_down:

Pedit: No, it chose to claim day three. DotW claimed inno on DGB day 2 though.

[Dwlee99]

Regardless this 1 point means nothing, you could have just killed it for being clear. Andres has several others and I agree with them.

Yes, and anyone could have killed it for being clear...

[Dwlee99]

N1 kill was Nero, who townread me.
N2 kill was Cyrus, who was all over the place except "if Anya is scum I think it is Dwlee"
N3 kill was the mason that townread me
N4 kill was T3 who I think townread me and was clear

[Dwlee99]

T3 who do you read as town rn?

UNVOTE: andres
You, Dwlee, Dotw... [racks tired brain]

His last stated reads were me and gamma as town (other than the conftown) and then he died that night.

[Dwlee99]

And your solve is me and gamma...

[Dwlee99]

The actual common link behind all the kills is that they townread me (other than Cyrus who is completely unpredictable)

[Dwlee99]

Andre do you see how Koba saying that the night kills all had the common link of scumreading me is bullshit?

[Dwlee99]

I could have made the other kills for mech reasons + Nero had good reads. But I'd probably kill DotW who was repeatedly saying he was paranoid of me last day phase, not t3 who had two townreads and I was one of them.

[Dwlee99]

Andres I'm convinced you're not even reading my words...

[Dwlee99]

People who FOS you die and people who don't stay alive and that's just the tea.

Andres, do you agree with this statement? Do you think this is true?

[Dwlee99]

Andres please just take your time and read what Koba is saying and what I am saying is bullshit.

[Dwlee99]

I mean, the t3 kill points to me!town. The other three kills I don't think to anything except that Nero had good reads (which if I was evil I'd prioritize killing him for scumreading my buddies instead of townreading me). But like, your case was that everyone sussing me died which is just completely factually incorrect but you don't care to the point that you feel like you are just openwolfing with this push.

Pedit: okay so regardless of if the t3 kill points to town me, we can agree Koba is speaking total nonsense right?

[Dwlee99]

You know, DGB is RARELY a choice for nightkill in games. You know what else is weird from DGB reads?

Koba's sequence here is picking random quotes out of people that died saying I'm scum, and they got so lazy they looked at Peta and not Cyrus

[Dwlee99]

Like I think you're town Andres so please just let me know that I'm still sane and that Koba is extremely wrong on this

[Dwlee99]

I mean even if you knock down my NKA theory you can't twist it the other way that it points to you town nor does it disprove literally everything else so lol

So... in essence? We vibing.

And I do not know why town would ever say something like this... "Maybe I just made something out of thing air but I'm still right!"

I have full tinfoiled to thinking my traitor!koba groupscum!chaos has real possibility because this is so bad. So so so bad.

[Dwlee99]

okay so regardless of if the t3 kill points to town me, we can agree Koba is speaking total nonsense right?

Andres I really just want to agree on what is after the comma.

[Dwlee99]

Okay but why does town!koba think picking random quotes from people's ISOs (not even their last read of me) without any context from the game makes sense here? And why did they not post a T3 one or mention it? (Hint: I'm pretty sure t3 never scumread me)

Pedit: okay maybe they're both groupscum. Idk it's tinfoil off of the fact that VFP was warning chaos of getting into a 1v1 with me ("you're barking up the wrong tree")

[Dwlee99]

Koba also still hasn't claimed, which they need to.

[Dwlee99]

Wow that's actually not better Koba and shows how you're cherry picking.

[Dwlee99]

Discuss if there are 2 scum left with Koba, who seems most convinced of it.

[Dwlee99]

Koba reminds me of when Menalque pushed me in Dead Silence.

[Dwlee99]

Andres if I tell you day 2 I was embarrassed does that help you understand what I was saying earlier?

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm just going to have to trust two of gamma/Kyo/dotw don't end day before I can continue this conversation with you.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm just going to have to trust two of gamma/Kyo/dotw don't end day before I can continue this conversation with you.

@these three for real don't end day before I continue this

[Dwlee99]

And to Koba, if you're town, you have no right to condescend to me about my town play after you faked a guilty on town and never rescinded. That we won that game had everything to do with 1.) T3 fucking up and 2.) Me pushing t3 to investigate Manatee who I thought was evil.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo/Gamma no quick day, agreed?

[Dwlee99]

For DGB's sake I hope that 2961 has at least one mafia in it.

[Dwlee99]

I still think we should have a pool for Cyrus to visit. There should be no reason to why any of the below names aren't in there.

Me, Osuka, Save The Dragon, Vax, Raithe (can replace 1 if the lim is here or stick to the last 4)
The pool can be edited to match what favours but I think keeping 5 names like this has scum 100% and therefore means they are cautious on the kill.
If they do decide to make 2 kills and take out Cylus then we are losing a potential mis lim anyway.

There is also this post, which with jailkeeper scum!VFP could be assured that they can't die, but they must have used the jailkeeper on Anya that night and they included the jailkeeper in the pool.

Thinking about Koba games, I want to know if this is the same way they approached the person they fake guiltied in FIA WRC. It feels more frustrating right now, but of course it is much more frustrating to be on the receiving end of it than watching it, and so I'm thinking this approach could maybe come from town!koba.

VOTE: Chaos

I'm just going back to this. If neither this or Kyo (or gamma) is evil, MELO is going to be terrible.