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In post 596, humaneatingmonkey wrote:how about we get catboi to trust someone else?

how about that catboi? are you townreading anyone else? let's get you a date.

In post 597, humaneatingmonkey wrote:there's a lot of incentive for you to do this if town. and negative incentive for you to do this as scum.

I'm struggling to understand what the utility of me making further trusts would be as town?

you're universally scumread right now. if you're town, you're actively harming our PoE because you are pegged as scum. and so if you can use being universally scumread to confirm your townreads, then it would be pro-town and awesome.

it seems that you trust me so much that you're willing to allow Prism and I to be paired — how's about you trust me?

I will really try to carve out time to do my intense review/sit-down tomorrow so I don't wind up stalling the game out for an eternity

We should be only trusting prism now today, it would be dumb to do anything else

Why?

Because this game gets a lot harder once the first scum gets out and prism is effective town now

And in the world where prism is scum it's better for prism to leave before coordinating a scum partners exit. Not that I think that's likely, but there's only downside to trusting outside prism now

In post 601, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you're universally scumread right now. if you're town, you're actively harming our PoE because you are pegged as scum. and so if you can use being universally scumread to confirm your townreads, then it would be pro-town and awesome.

I don't need to exit the game to win (and "universally scumread" is an exaggeration). I think clearing people is good but trying to bite off too much too soon would be a mistake, if I let the pressure on me lead to a hasty decision it's likely I get clapped by scum for it and then my play will have been entirely antitown.

In post 602, humaneatingmonkey wrote:it seems that you trust me so much that you're willing to allow Prism and I to be paired — how's about you trust me?

Why do you want me in particular to put a trust on you?

In post 608, catboi wrote:Why do you want me in particular to put a trust on you?

that's a question you need to answer. you're willing to pair Prism and I away. that means you trust me. why?

In post 606, MURDERCAT wrote:Because this game gets a lot harder once the first scum gets out and prism is effective town now

it's not dumb. you just say it is. we can do to me what we did to prism. have the scummiest guy who townreads me trust me. then see what my reaction would be. Then have the other safer candidates trust me. Then see what my reaction would be.

Yeah that works great until we do it to scum

In post 609, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 608, catboi wrote:Why do you want me in particular to put a trust on you?

that's a question you need to answer. you're willing to pair Prism and I away. that means you trust me. why?

I'm not strongly confident on that read but was willing to bank on the strength of Prism's read, partly because I know Prism perceives things in games differently than I do and often sees things I do not, which makes me willing to gamble a little. Right now though, I'm trying to parse the motivations of what you're doing here.

you're just trying to slippery slope fallacy now. doing it to everyone was never the point.

catboi is someone we can risk for scum to pair with and run with. in fact, it would be pro-town to have him flip town at this point.

Theoretically you definitely want to see me flip before we start trusting down the line. I don't think delaying me is the worst idea-you still get two flips, and if I engineer a scum one that tanks me tomorrow, but the second we trust scum we're up shit creek regardless of whether they take it or not. It's better to just decide on a pairing and flip it, and in this case it's probably better that I be included.

In post 612, catboi wrote:I'm not strongly confident on that read but was willing to bank on the strength of Prism's read, partly because I know Prism perceives things in games differently than I do and often sees things I do not, which makes me willing to gamble a little. Right now though, I'm trying to parse the motivations of what you're doing here.

i thought i was getting townier and townier? never had a real read on me, did ya?

doesn't matter. you still trust the read enough to let Prism pair off with me. it shouldn't be that much of a big deal for you to trust me.

In post 613, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you're just trying to slippery slope fallacy now. doing it to everyone was never the point.

I am explicitly scum reading you lol, it's not a slippery slope

This isn't slippery slope fallacy; the odds of whiffing go up with every consecutive trust both individually (worse reads/one town removed from pool) & in aggregate (more samples)

In post 615, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 612, catboi wrote:I'm not strongly confident on that read but was willing to bank on the strength of Prism's read, partly because I know Prism perceives things in games differently than I do and often sees things I do not, which makes me willing to gamble a little. Right now though, I'm trying to parse the motivations of what you're doing here.

i thought i was getting townier and townier? never had a real read on me, did ya?

doesn't matter. you still trust the read enough to let Prism pair off with me. it shouldn't be that much of a big deal for you to trust me.

I'm struggling to see the importance of your insistence on this. I have no idea what you gain from this play as town. Conversely, I understand very well the benefits of trying to play off frustration and bait me into placing a trust on you if you are scum. That's inflaming my paranoia at this point in time and is why I keep questioning you, because I'm trying to understand where you're coming from.

You are clearly trying to goad me into placing a trust on you, and while I can see town making that sort of play (because I feel like I wouldn't be above doing so, were the circumstances different), I don't respond well to that sort of provocation and am absolutely never going to oblige you when you're acting this way.

Good luck with the move dwlee!

S_S and prism should pair today

well what about it do you not understand

In post 621, MURDERCAT wrote:S_S and prism should pair today

What makes you have continued confidence on something_smart?

In post 622, humaneatingmonkey wrote:well what about it do you not understand

Why do you want it? What does me trusting you achieve?

Murder, can you speak more about the S_S read? There's been nothing wrong with his play to me but other people have leapfrogged him in townread imo

Infinity for example is borderline throwing if she is scum with either cat/dannflor, though I suppose you think HEM is one