Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:41 am

Morph in Yggdrasil regarding the chip-kills.

Contrasting this to Cabd voting Manatee EVEN THOUGH Titus died N1.

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

morph the cat wrote:I am assuming mafia all has chip-away powers as well as their factional btw. Which means we should assume multiple kills a night because fuck us that's why.

Town needs to fucking sit on their hands and stop taking potshots at each other.

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

morph the cat wrote:
In post 5627, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5617, morph the cat wrote:Town needs to fucking sit on their hands and stop taking potshots at each other.
I mean obviously town should not intentionally shoot at town, but I think shooting at someone you believe to have a reasonable chance of being scum isn't a bad play.
Except it fucking is when mafia probably has a factional night kill AND 5 hp worth of chip damage to dole out when players are averaging about that in HP count, if not under.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:46 am

In post 708, Cabd wrote:KATEEEEEEEEEEEE your nugget just grew into an entire bag of Kirkland ready to eat frozen meals.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:48 am

The thing that kept itching about Cabd's day 1 play was that he didn't really seem to care who the elim was among the LHF.

Just like TENET.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:50 am

In post 3421, Cabd wrote:
In post 3419, Kate Bishop wrote:The thing that kept itching about Cabd's day 1 play was that he didn't really seem to care who the elim was among the LHF.

Just like TENET.
More bullshit from you; A50 and Gypyx disagree.

I should say among the town LHF.

And then there was the pivot.

Which you also described in Yggdrasil, describing how you didn't want to allow Yggdrasil scum the same maneuvering room that your scum team had in TENET.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:53 am

In post 3424, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3421, Cabd wrote:
In post 3419, Kate Bishop wrote:The thing that kept itching about Cabd's day 1 play was that he didn't really seem to care who the elim was among the LHF.

Just like TENET.
More bullshit from you; A50 and Gypyx disagree.
I should say among the town LHF.

And then there was the pivot.

Which you also described in Yggdrasil, describing how you didn't want to allow Yggdrasil scum the same maneuvering room that your scum team had in TENET.

Here:

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

morph the cat wrote:
In post 3612, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:but I'm really mixed on Morph cause my gut still says "the way they approach the game is town" and my brain says "they're doing actions that make sense for scum".
The problem here is, as you acknowledged, unless we're scum WITH mara, we derailed your mara push into an anya push, then when the going came to the near end of it, pushed for that and derailed the wagon HARD off of town-sigmund. Which, you were JUST scum with me in tenet. You know full well that the first few days, I don't look gift lol-town-elims in the mouth and take them, no matter what shape. You could easily have been led down to forcing mara to claim, if not eliminating her outright through sheer force of charisma and gravitas.

I'm never gonna self-meta myself into convincing you, but yeah.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:07 am

something_special was unwnd.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:29 am

We are not from NGNL.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:37 am

There’s also the whole “they were on the manatee wagon together” issue.

So we don’t forget.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:44 am

Yes, I’m aware.

But their votes together was something that should be noted, nonetheless.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:35 am

I don't think Gamma should have any same in claim order. I'd put that decision on LLD and SSBM.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:37 am

In post 3475, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 3474, Kate Bishop wrote:There’s also the whole “they were on the manatee wagon together” issue.

So we don’t forget.
While I don't like that either one of them voted Manatee, I am also thinking about the fact that the scum team could not coordinate their votes, because all pts were locked during the voting period

If anything, lack of coordination should make it more likely scum wind up on the same wagon, because they have the same inputs prior to the discussionless vote being announced.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:42 am

In post 3480, Kate Bishop wrote:I don't think Gamma should have any
same
SAY in claim order. I'd put that decision on LLD and SSBM.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:15 am

In post 3484, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why the hell does kyouko get a say?

Because my homework says she does.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:20 am

Wheme you are the only other person who did the right thing with it.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:23 am

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:28 am

Yes yes we know the entirety of your play today is undermine Kate

I’ll solve all your problems in one simple chart when I’m back from dinner!

And thus the tell gets burned to the ground

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:33 am

I read that as vote not role tbh

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:56 am

In post 3496, Cabd wrote:My objection to an ANONYMOUS chip mechanic does not compare to my thoughts on a PUBLIC vote, you giddy cheeky fucks.

It's clearly style on me day in fferyland or something.

In this case, you should have also objected, since it involved NOT DISCUSSING THE GODDAMN VOTE, which was the overriding problem with the chip mechanic -- town killing town in the early game without a decent sense of consensus.

If you're town and you voted manatee AFTER the Titus flip, I'm going to be extremely pissed.

But I don't think you're town.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:59 am

In post 3384, Cabd wrote:This is the only path you could take though, a song and a dance about how evil I am because ooooh tenet boogyman.

I'd have just shot you in the face and been over with it and you KNOW it.

Hi, first off, I have been the bigger pusher of the two of us!

Second off, the above post is lolsy to me given youre doing the exact same thing about Bloodstained to me

Third off, the core mindset is still there. Yes, all of those votes /are/ accounted for. And those of you who voted manatee are sketchy. Especially those who wanted zero reevaluation after most of their day one scumpool in 2512 flipped town.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:01 pm

In post 3499, Cabd wrote:
In post 3497, Kate Bishop wrote:If you're town and you voted manatee AFTER the Titus flip, I'm going to be extremely pissed.
You won't be pissed, but it won't be for the reason you claim is the reason.

This doesn't parse.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:21 pm

While I work on this, everyone should feel free to review how Gamma has handled us and Cabd today despite both of us being given the "You Tenet You Die" read at the start of the game!

I'm finding the chart, standby.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:29 pm

This is a chart of SSBM posting frequency across recent completed games (iirc up to her hiatus) where I looked solely at how many posts she made in a day. Obviously, she has more than 70 posts now. That being said, there is a fairly clear discrepancy in her posting frequency as town and as scum. This could be remedied by a buddy asking her to post more, sure, but that also requires a buddy aware of the tell (and given that noone as outright said she's lurkscum here, I'd wager it wasn't obvious!).

Her posting as of today, the 9th day of actual play is at 137. 15.2 a day. You can feel free to check my math in those or just assume I wouldn't bullshit a table of numbers lol, dealers choice.

She's town.

I also looked at Wheme's, and his spread looked /kinda/ similar. That is, until NQN was a giant outlier, with 30 a day. When I checked him here it was at like 25. There was also other things I looked at but I'm getting off topic and this post is about SSBM.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:29 pm

In post 3505, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually, if I’m scum how am I burning anything? Just because I manipulated it to my ends once doesn’t mean the principle doesn’t still hold. Pretty sure Kate just perspective slipped and spewed me town in the process.

lmao okay koba

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:30 pm

And before anyone asks, yes I took out the timing for night cycles based off the OP in the individual games and did not count postgame posts.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:36 pm

Not the point now, wheme.

You had double your standard town postcount, nearing the point of overcompensating lmao

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:38 pm

In post 3512, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m under advice to tune this game out.

?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:52 pm

In post 3511, WhemeStar wrote:Maybe im a third party god

What do you think of the votes from the Manatee elim? Do any stick out and why?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Can you unpack exactly what made you think marci town here?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 3501, Cabd wrote:You won't be pissed because you're faking this, jerks.

jerks? this isn't anything like the kinds of stuff I figured you'd post on the day town-you scumread me.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:01 pm

In tarot she was caught out in three hours, I don't think it's wise to build a meta baseline off of that. Particularly when a good chunk of the playerlist witnessed/heard about it after.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:14 pm

In post 981, Cabd wrote:
In post 979, unwnd wrote:Cabd is being hush but whatver
If I were a dayvig with one shot, I'd probably have hipshot unwnd for the two-post reaction format to the dayguilty thing.

but this game is going to be won on consensus building and there's no "easy" three man scumteam. I don't want the Annie or Cephtd of this game getting away from me while I'm alive.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:24 pm

It's just distancing, dunn.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:25 pm

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:26 pm

You'll see more once caught up, ping me. Working on homework.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:37 pm

The plot thickens.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:43 pm

I'm stunned.

I feel like Cabd's lack of really pushing us doesn't come from town him. But, it doesn't come from scum him either.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:48 pm

Luke asked for the name of Luke's ability, not yours.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:48 pm

is the word informed part of your role wheme?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:07 pm

I'm parsing new data. My original thought was it seems pretty obvious Cabd and Gamma are pushing similar agendas. As I've mentioned, Gamma's approach to us is vastly different than his approach to Cabd despite his comments around his entry to the game.

I struggle to believe that we have two informed roles, in which the first confirms the second is town and thus truthful.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:07 pm

I also think we as a thread ignored the "under advice to not post in this thread" thing

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:10 pm

Cool.

We should probably sort out a massclaim order.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:23 pm

In post 3594, WhemeStar wrote:I keep getting that feeling with u and kyoko

Did you even read the part of that post that wasnt about you

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:27 pm

In post 3596, Cabd wrote:Whemestar was my master all along?

Good taste, but also Arceus fuck I nearly eliminated you.

That would have been BAD.

My townreads are worm-infested, though. No ifs ands or buts.

Full reset, one last college try.

Have you full-claimed?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:33 pm

In post 3599, Cabd wrote:
In post 3435, Cabd wrote:
In post 3430, Cabd wrote:Is this game all an elaborate troll to mindfuck me into a vegetative state?
Yes.

Jibril, Informed Guardian Angel

Know that {Sora, Shiro} in the game are confirmed town.

If {Sora, Shiro} die, I can assist them (but it doesn't say how or anything) in affecting the thread from beyond.
This is all I've got. I am ASSUMING that the second thread has some sort of minigame that I assist wheme with when he enters it (if he enters it), which would match his flavor of wanting to go to said other world.

I still feel like your play has been incredibly flat for someone who thought he caught scum-fferynotsci. :/

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:13 pm

Hey Luke, who got rid of our extra elims this time?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:41 pm

Because three townies just died and killing without discussion is an awful decision if it misfires, as evidenced by us being in cylo today.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:44 pm

also, there could have been a useful night action that we either didn't learn or didn't matter because the target was dead.

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:55 pm

Hey Luke, you around?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:21 pm

What’s your POE looking like?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:37 pm

Dunn, you want to claim next?

Kate Bishop · Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:49 pm

I think we’re at Cabd/Gamma/(LLD/Dunn)

With Dunn being more likely, imo.

This feels fucking insane.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:50 am

We would like Cabd to say what he thinks we are prior to our claim.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:32 am

In post 3682, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:UNVOTE: I'll wait for Kate claim I guess

We have a reason for wanting Cabd to say what he thinks we crumbed about our role on Day 1 before we claim.

If our not claiming right away is creating an unnecessary delay, we'll go ahead. Otherwise I'd like to wait until Cabd's feeling better.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:57 am

Other head.

Can you please point out the exact crumb that lead to that, if it’s in the realm of what you’re able to do?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:06 am

Nothing from mine?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:27 am

My crumbs:

In post 10, Kate Bishop wrote:Also, noted.

I can see the page 1 caffeination in the muscle twitch
reflexes
.

reflexive

In post 267, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 156, Cabd wrote:
In post 150, Kate Bishop wrote:Even Tammy would hear the town paean at this point.
Setting aside the usual obligatory paranoia... yeah, perhaps this is the game where the band gets back together and we get to Xenoblade on some fools.
Waiting is accomplished.

I don't want to be Darmok on the Ocean this game. If you can be any slight shadow of Mizrahi on the first night, it would be poetically speaking, cash on the barrelhead.

Darmok on the Ocean = I don't want to be lonely this game.

Mizrahi = Cabd's role in Xenosaga - a watcher

Cash on the Barrelhead

= Cash Cabd game, my role was a (compulsive day 1) neighborizer

In post 1144, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 1111, Cabd wrote:Apparently I'm very good at dishing and very terrible at taking then. Because I know what signals were directed at me but trying to parse them feels like I'm being asked to download a signal converter for the low cost of all of my brain cells
New signal:

page 1 caffeination and...fire up the wayback machine because we're looking back to a time when...

morph separated: half nailed a dry flan to the wall, and half doomed a bottle of steak sauce.

not 100% of it all, but close because it's complicated. If you can dance, we're wallflowers.

Page 1 caffeination = Reflexive

Morph separated (also the Xenosaga game) my half is the flan half, I started the game as a neighbor, and the half who doomed SSK was Cabd, a (complicated) watcher.

notsci's crumbs

In post 420, Kate Bishop wrote:I just played the worst game of league!

The Ryze only ulted back a duo of useless ragers.

He kept getting sent back to the beginning. Why, and how should be evident. Fucking soloqueue lmao

In post 432, Kate Bishop wrote:It mostly works like how the lovers would recall.

He'll explain them when he's not driving.

Our role is a

reflexive neighborizer

. We have a night kill that couldn't activate before Night 3 at the earliest. The hood would form the day after we're targeted, and we have a 1 shot vig that we can only use on neighbors, and only after the neighbor has been in the hood for a full day and night cycle. If we're targeted with a killing role, the killer wouldn't be added to the hood.

We were hoping to at some point catch someone out with this role if they claimed to have/have not targeted us.

No neighborhood was formed after Night 1.

Cabd thinking we were claiming masonizer kinda makes sense. Action Dan was a seeking mason in that game, and we were the character he sought. He masonized us on N1.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:32 am

We’re Cream and Cheese!

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:34 am

The reason I was crumbing watcher as well as neighborizer is because being reflexive means we get the info that a self-watcher would get via our neighborhood, aside from anyone who tried (and failed) to kill us.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:48 am

Don’t worry, I have an answer for that.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:49 am

In post 3721, Cabd wrote:I'd like to reiterate that I don't let you with a masonizer live. It's like when I had that jailkeep in 2181...

I'm aware.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:52 am

Although I'm surprised you'd even entertain the possibility that with your claimed role there'd also be a masonizer in the game.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:57 am

because why not?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:09 am

When you're up to it, I want to know how the reset is going.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:39 am

In post 420, Kate Bishop wrote:I just played the worst game of league!

T
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seless
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He kept getting sent back to the beginning. Why, and how should be evident. Fucking soloqueue lmao

The line about the beginning was a signal to check the first letter of each word. I later reference this post used one of the old style (anagram, as was discussed in Bloodstained) and one of the new style in this crumb.

The new style was about how it worked, similar to a Ryze ultimate which required people gather in one spot. The lovers recall, in the other quote ffery mentioned is similar. Typically one person starts channeling, then the second goes to them and channels themself to get sent somewhere

But the real issue is the anagram word, because it shows up somewhere else too!

In post 424, Cabd wrote:Are you a forester, then?

Te he he
troubadour
meme here.

Which is the role ffery and Cabd thought I had in Yggdrasil and they (correctly) suspected was a neighborizer.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:46 am

heh.

-bad cop

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:05 am

I find it very hard to believe there is a scum that is immune to voting, wheme.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:06 am

In post 3743, WhemeStar wrote:Is no elim ever a possibility

We have a guilty lmao

Day ends with SSBM or Dunn dead imo but w should explore all avenues in the meantime.

Ninja-
You said you wanted to vote GIF who has been removed from the game entirely. Does it make sense in game design to have a scum role that lowers their already weak thread control? Or who removes the only time town can remove the scum?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:12 am

Cough cough we have a claimed rolecop cough

This seems pretty cut and dry though, I’ll ping ffery and see what she thinks

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:51 am

We’re Cream and Cheese from Sonic X

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:58 am

Spoiler:

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:02 am

@Luke- is marci usually the type of person who is super sensitive to crumbs?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:15 am

In post 3771, notscience wrote:
In post 3756, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I guess I could track Dunn again and Wheme could rolecop him so there's no way for scum to kill both of us, but if it's Dunn-Wheme-Luke that would be awkward. Thing is I really TR Luke and he is confirming Wheme's result. It's possible that Dunn-Wheme-x is a team and the rolecop is scum maybe. Gotta look at the anon votes
If only we had a role that could confirm Dun targeted them

It seems like bad practice to waste a Tracker shot like this.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am

Flavor, Gamma?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

In post 3774, Gamma Emerald wrote:idk if I’m entirely ready
I will definitely full claim when I feel ready though

Urge to burn, rising.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

Oh we’re doing this again, are we?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 am

There is no "right time to claim" in melo with all other claims on the table.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:48 am

Hey ffery it’s not like he had a lurking predecessor in a playerlist full of people who elimmed her in three hours last time she drew scum right?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 am

k.

we could definitely vote here today.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:52 am

In post 3492, Kate Bishop wrote:Yes yes we know the entirety of your play today is undermine Kate

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:54 am

Oh! I forgot to ask about my new favorite post in the game this morning.

How does a Kate/Cabd scumteam make sense, in your worldview?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:56 am

….we literally reevaluated all of our reads

And there were multiple people on the wagon with us.

Not to mention, you’ve been openly blaming and discrediting us all day. So no, miss me with that shit.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:59 am

Please be specific with posts you viewed as that, thanks.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:00 pm

And while we’re on the subject, I’d love to know what posts you saw day one rocketed Cabd to lock town for you as well.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pm

In post 3791, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3787, Kate Bishop wrote:….we literally reevaluated all of our reads

And there were multiple people on the wagon with us.

Not to mention, you’ve been openly blaming and discrediting us all day. So no, miss me with that shit.
The burden of proficiency is on you for that push though, as well as kyouko but I feel like she’s less accountable given she’s nowhere near as adept as you. You ran S_S through while I was out of the thread and before I could plead a properly informed defense of him. I missed my chance to stop that train wreck so now I’m trying to make the people I deem responsible pay.

Our vote was sitting on him when you replaced in. So, you can miss us with this shit, too.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm

It’s interesting you’ve lasered in on someone we know is town and someone who’s meta points significantly towards town, despite the other person in your proposed scumread pool being the E-1 vote!

I feel like this would mean more if you hadn’t spent the entire day undermining us, and hadn’t been on a godawful manatee wagon.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:07 pm

In post 3793, Gamma Emerald wrote:Doesn’t change the fact you never should have voted him out in the first place.

we own our error.

we voted him because he refused to claim after his predecessor had crumbed vig multiple times.

That was his error.

And, perhaps yours!

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:10 pm

In post 3796, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ll admit I fucked up by voting before I had fully assessed what Titus’ death meant but I’ve been earnestly trying to impact this game for the better and it feels like you don’t want to acknowledge that because it’s detrimental to your agenda.

I don't think you have been impacting the game for the better at all. Like notsci has said, your agenda appears to be discrediting us at every opportunity.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:15 pm

Namecalling, yes that definitely adds to your gravitas.

You're pushing us?

ffs make up your mind.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:17 pm

In post 3789, Kate Bishop wrote:Please be specific with posts you viewed as that, thanks.

In post 3790, Kate Bishop wrote:And while we’re on the subject, I’d love to know what posts you saw day one rocketed Cabd to lock town for you as well.

These posts still need to be addressed, for the record.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:21 pm

You have not been attempting to build a bridge, you explicitly said on the last page you wish to make us pay for the SS elim.

Answer the questions about your Cabd read.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:21 pm

Do something besides stonewall if you want this conversation to progress.

Answering questions that don't involve your role is the invitation we've put to you.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:36 pm

I agree those posts are sketchy.

In fact, I'd already called them out as sketchy right after they hit the thread.

So why are you focusing on discrediting and namecalling someone who agreed in advance with you on those posts?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:41 pm

You've spent most of your effort so far today actually defending Cabd and Dunn.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:50 pm

Gamma, here's your posts where I feel like you were defending Cabd. And the final one is where you switch from defending him to explicitly scumreading us both.

That was before our explicitly and extremely crumbed claim. Since then, I feel like your focus re us morphed and become about discrediting us.

In post 3375, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3374, Kate Bishop wrote:huge, huge huge TENET vibes.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

In post 3388, Gamma Emerald wrote:this irony is like a milkshake, so thick and delicious

In post 3392, Gamma Emerald wrote:It is utterly laughable that Kate is trying to frame up Cabd on trumped-up charges of playing to the TENET scumgame when based on what I read through the night it would 100% be Kate who is pulling those strings in this game. Cabd had already towntold for me enough to exit the box of BoP, Kate however had not, and despite having allegedly read Radio Buzz Kate pushed S_S because of BS about how he wasn't claiming like he should. The vibe I got off of S_S was NOTHING like how he felt in Radio Buzz. In that game, he felt like a fly trapped in a spider's web, there was still some signs of life but he was basically pinned down from the start. Here he felt much more invigorated, like he actually had purpose.

In post 3425, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll admit I probably didn't help but I'm not the droid Cabd is looking for.
I was hoping he'd answer my question before I had to make this clear because depending on how open-ended his info is it might just be a scumclaim

In post 3445, Gamma Emerald wrote:my head hurts because I'm pretty sure I let myself get pocketed pretty bad and the only things that saved me from fucking up was a forked up fakeclaim
I CANNOT BELIEVE CABD ENDED UP GETTING CABD CLAUSE'D I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAN RIGHT NOW

In post 3484, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why the hell does kyouko get a say?

In post 3491, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3486, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3484, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why the hell does kyouko get a say?
Because my homework says she does.
What homework, because mine says there’s a bunch of poison worms that probably want to stick together. You both landed on S_S despite having knowledge of how he played, why should either of you be trusted? This is triggering my number one pet peeve, which is misplaced authority.

In post 3668, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’d kinda already been at like Cabd/Kate/? for a while when you claimed your flavor

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:52 pm

We're townreading SSBM, Luke and Wheme.

If we're right on all three, there's one more town in {Cabd, Dunn, LLD, Gamma}

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:55 pm

In post 3790, Kate Bishop wrote:And while we’re on the subject, I’d love to know what posts you saw day one rocketed Cabd to lock town for you as well.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:55 pm

In post 3816, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re fucking insane if you think all of those posts are defending Cabd. You literally quoted posts where my read on him FLIPPED.
Why should I not take this as you bullshitting me?

Or maybe you should take it as your posts about Cabd were at best VERY ambigous, given we read them as defense.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:02 pm

Why is offense your first reaction to that, if you’re scumreading us? Shouldn’t it be more about being discredited or something? Offended typically indicates you think someone is town saying it, no?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:05 pm

In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3817, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3816, Gamma Emerald wrote:You’re fucking insane if you think all of those posts are defending Cabd. You literally quoted posts where my read on him FLIPPED.
Why should I not take this as you bullshitting me?
Or maybe you should take it as your posts about Cabd were at best VERY ambigous, given we read them as defense.
Cabd wasn’t even a topic of conversation in 3484 and 3491. That was me taking offense that you deemed kyouko more trustworthy than me. Stop. Lying.

Misunderstanding (if we did) is not lying.

But, I'll take your assertion about your meaning at face value.

Why would you expect us to think you're more trustworthy than SSBM?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:24 pm

In post 3823, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m offended because you’re starting to go down that road of questioning things that are established issues for me.

I have no idea what this means.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:28 pm

In post 3825, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3815, Kate Bishop wrote:We're townreading SSBM, Luke and Wheme.

If we're right on all three, there's one more town in {Cabd, Dunn, LLD, Gamma}
Are these the only players in the game?

And GIF, but I’m hard pressed to believe that role is scum.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:30 pm

Gamma, what do you think of that looking back with what I pointed out about her meta?

Picking her eas my suggestion, and iirc we also mentioned LLDin this discussion as well

Ninja-
Fwiw we are equally as surprised we have thread control right now.

It’s also weird, because I feel like my posts in FGO in the slot you came to occupy had a sense of authority as well?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:31 pm

Idk, I’m not trying to say it’s invalid I’m just having trouble swallowing it in terms of game context, if that makes sense

Ninja-
Illicit had a silencer role, I’m viewing this role similarly.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:37 pm

I feel like I had a certain level of authority prior to it. @Luke, please weigh in upon catch-up.

We’re chewing on this some, can you look for the Cabd-town posts now?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:42 pm

In post 3828, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3824, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3823, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m offended because you’re starting to go down that road of questioning things that are established issues for me.
I have no idea what this means.
I’m pretty sure I’ve talked on this site before about how I dislike unwarranted authority, and will actively decry it when confronted with it. It feels like you’re trying to suggest my feelings in that regard are fake, and that drives me up the wall to an even greater degree than the misplaced authority thing.

I haven't played with you often enough to know that's an issue. I don't usually set out to gain authority in games, but I am assertive about my POV, and nature abhors a vacuum.

I'm surprised you'd join a game with a bunch of assertive players, many of whom do jockey for thread control.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:44 pm

In post 3834, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3831, Kate Bishop wrote:Idk, I’m not trying to say it’s invalid I’m just having trouble swallowing it in terms of game context, if that makes sense

Ninja-
Illicit had a silencer role, I’m viewing this role similarly.
What was the silencer role?

It was a scum role that was a combination of Alien and in-thread silence that kept Maria/Beeboy out of the game for a month.

A common thought we had there that in applying here is a role that allows scum to be removed from elimination seems like a bad game design sense. Particularly if it could self target. It essentially would give scum the chance to stall the day.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:48 pm

In post 3834, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3831, Kate Bishop wrote:Idk, I’m not trying to say it’s invalid I’m just having trouble swallowing it in terms of game context, if that makes sense

Ninja-
Illicit had a silencer role, I’m viewing this role similarly.
What was the silencer role?

other head answering this.

This is not the same, since GiF said that his role did a compulsive self-yeet.

In Illicit Substances mini, scum-Bork could yeet a player out of the game for an entire game day and they weren't allowed to post or vote, and couldn't be targeted for other night actions the same night iirc.

I really, really dislike that kind of role in a game, but I guess it's slightly better as an attribute of one's own role than being targeted by that kind of ability.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 3840, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3837, Kate Bishop wrote:A common thought we had there that in applying here is a role that allows scum to be removed from elimination seems like a bad game design sense.
What if I told you I inherit a weaker version of that role if he dies?

What's your current solve?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:09 pm

In post 3848, Dunnstral wrote:I am finding it hard to believe that GiF has no idea what his role does, that he just disappears for an undetermined amount of time

I think the vote was placed by him and doesn't match his stances.

And he quick hammered before heading out.

We're probably dead before figuring this out is a priority, but noted.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:22 pm

In post 3852, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3851, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3848, Dunnstral wrote:I am finding it hard to believe that GiF has no idea what his role does, that he just disappears for an undetermined amount of time

I think the vote was placed by him and doesn't match his stances.

And he quick hammered before heading out.
We're probably dead before figuring this out is a priority, but noted.
wut
I thought you were unkillable at night or smth?

no idea why you thought that.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:35 pm

In post 3854, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3720, Kate Bishop wrote:The reason I was crumbing watcher as well as neighborizer is because being reflexive means we get the info that a self-watcher would get via our neighborhood, aside from anyone who tried (and failed) to kill us.
tried and failed to kill you
that means you're immune to killing roles, no?

No. If we die, that's it for the neighborhood.

If we're targeted by a kill and it fails for some reason (say, protection), the player who tried to kill us wouldn't be added to the neighborhood.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:39 pm

In post 3863, Cabd wrote:I'm awake.

And cranky and still tired, but awake.

Re-reading the first third of day one was a great sleep aid but not much else.

Gamma claim stalling here sucks, out with it.

If gamma/marcislot ~is~ scum, it's with somebody fluent in crumbs. I'm still not sure that the reply to me is all that awkward as Luke makes it out to be though, as opposed to just flavor-dressing... but we won't know until we get a flavor and role claim from Gamma.

Speaking of crumbs there's a rather big question out there for you.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:42 pm

In post 3731, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 420, Kate Bishop wrote:I just played the worst game of league!

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He kept getting sent back to the beginning. Why, and how should be evident. Fucking soloqueue lmao
The line about the beginning was a signal to check the first letter of each word. I later reference this post used one of the old style (anagram, as was discussed in Bloodstained) and one of the new style in this crumb.

The new style was about how it worked, similar to a Ryze ultimate which required people gather in one spot. The lovers recall, in the other quote ffery mentioned is similar. Typically one person starts channeling, then the second goes to them and channels themself to get sent somewhere

But the real issue is the anagram word, because it shows up somewhere else too!
In post 424, Cabd wrote:Are you a forester, then?

Te he he
troubadour
meme here.
Which is the role ffery and Cabd thought I had in Yggdrasil and they (correctly) suspected was a neighborizer.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:45 pm

Are we supposed to believe that isn’t you acknowledging my crumb? For a neighborizer?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:48 pm

In post 3870, Cabd wrote:I thought you were talking about the ryze ultimate as in realm warping to create a masonry; but only AFTER the other later crumb clicked and I went back.

if this is true then you weren't joking about failing at decryption. :/

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:49 pm

You understand my skepticism at the likelihood you accidentally say the exact word I crumbed four posts after, correct?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:51 pm

Notsci. I crumb to Cabd using league going back to xeno.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:52 pm

And no, it wasn’t an actual game lmao

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:07 pm

In post 3883, Cabd wrote:
In post 3876, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3870, Cabd wrote:I thought you were talking about the ryze ultimate as in realm warping to create a masonry; but only AFTER the other later crumb clicked and I went back.
if this is true then you weren't joking about failing at decryption. :/
Extremely.

If I'd gotten your crumb correctly I feel like I'd have acted differently but here we are.

In a world where a shitty fire emblem joke convinced you that I'd understood your static when my head was full of femboy jokes.

what would have changed?

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:25 pm

I’m surprised you haven’t brought up parralels to a certain even night restriction.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:33 pm

You think we’re scum

You accidentally post something that gives us reasonable ammunition to push you, a la the Evenly Doctor from Tenet.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:43 pm

In post 3888, Kate Bishop wrote:You think we’re scum

You accidentally post something that gives us reasonable ammunition to push you, a la the Evenly Doctor from Tenet.

I’m talking about how you owe bells phone a beer.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:58 pm

Feel better!

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:15 pm

In post 3892, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2991, Cabd wrote:I have come to the unsatisfying conclusion that S_S is not a player for which statistical analysis is very valid.

I've been dying to use this (extremely alpha but it's a thing!) tool. And it broke out ALL the data crunching to give me...... "S_S posts slightly longer posts as scum, and talks slightly more about other players directly by name as scum."

In post 2996, Cabd wrote:So it does. ALPHA after all? Adding that to the "stop words" to be ignored...

Here's this game to compare btw...

did anyone ever take this seriously?

text analytics is something I've been involved in professionally. The technology employed is fine, though sort of a blunt instrument.

The data, especially as applied here to this game, is just not likely at all to be predictive.

Kate Bishop · Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:50 pm

In post 3899, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 3896, Gamma Emerald wrote:@wheme why has Dunnstral been such a hard townread for you?
I think he played to his town meta day 1 in which he felt like a constant active presence in the thread. I don’t think he’s like that as scum

Do you remember what your thoughts about his play were when you were in Syr's Popcorn game with him?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:46 am

signature intensifies.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:51 am

I don't think I'll be able to avoid skepticism about a claim that takes so long to craft.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:58 am

Why do you have to think about how you paraphrase a role pm?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:16 am

In post 3913, Dunnstral wrote:Kate what series is your flavor from?

Sonic X

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:23 am

In post 3915, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3912, Dunnstral wrote:I thought you wanted to have your moment or something
I can't really accept any solve for long enough to post it so I'm posting the claim first and maybe it'll give me the answers I need to actually get a full and confident solve
In post 3914, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3911, Gamma Emerald wrote:It’s moreso thinking about ramifications of my claim, the impact it’ll have on the thread
This is also something you do not need to do
in my case, yes it absolutely is

It's MELO.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:41 am

Your solves fail, in that every single one of them features us as scum.

The claim itself is something I need to think on.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:57 am

So you instead think we spent tons of extra effort as a scumteam with Cabd to insure our crumbs we’re both accurate enough to hold up on being checked but obscure enough that no one outside of us would catch it?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:00 am

I’m going to wait for a flavor buff to weigh in on that, btw

And@Dunn-

I picked her because she was my favorite character from my first ever sonic game, Sonic Advance 2!

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:05 am

Is there a secondary part to your role, gamma?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:14 am

In post 3933, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3929, Gamma Emerald wrote:tbh had manatee been upfront about her role I 100% would have asked her to place her vote on me
You voted her out...

Dunn get out of our discord

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:14 am

Don’t worry Cabd I didn’t read it I promise!

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:20 am

In post 3932, Cabd wrote:Morphood, no notsci heads allowed:

I'm trying to reconcile a lot of things, one of which is the scary thought that this isn't just scum-you taking a victory lap, but town-you about to mistakenly kill me here and it's a lot worse. I vastly prefer being in the former, you know? I've yielded thread control today to you to hopefully get more data here, but you seem extremely fixated on this. Did you expect me to come rip-roaring out of the gate or something?

Spoiler:

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:27 am

Wait you townread luke for his reaction to the day cop thing?

That reaction was the worst part of Luke’s iso lmao

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:27 am

In post 3939, Cabd wrote:
In post 3938, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3932, Cabd wrote:Morphood, no notsci heads allowed:

I'm trying to reconcile a lot of things, one of which is the scary thought that this isn't just scum-you taking a victory lap, but town-you about to mistakenly kill me here and it's a lot worse. I vastly prefer being in the former, you know? I've yielded thread control today to you to hopefully get more data here, but you seem extremely fixated on this. Did you expect me to come rip-roaring out of the gate or something?

Spoiler:
I didn't expect you to be as passive as you've been. We came into Day 2 pretty sure you're scum, but with an open mind. There is stuff that points to you being town. It's a question of if it's in your scum range, too, and you know the answer to that, at least from my perspective.

The way town has been mowed down, there isn't much room for scum to hide here. and yet.

Spoiler:
I mean I want to say "But like, If I see you're a masonzier there's no way I can't kill you night one" but you apparently don't think that's what I thought?

Spoiler:

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:30 am

There’s not supposed to be a specific answer to that question, but his reaction felt forced and awkward.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:39 am

In post 3948, Cabd wrote:
In post 3945, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3939, Cabd wrote:
In post 3938, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3932, Cabd wrote:Morphood, no notsci heads allowed:

I'm trying to reconcile a lot of things, one of which is the scary thought that this isn't just scum-you taking a victory lap, but town-you about to mistakenly kill me here and it's a lot worse. I vastly prefer being in the former, you know? I've yielded thread control today to you to hopefully get more data here, but you seem extremely fixated on this. Did you expect me to come rip-roaring out of the gate or something?

Spoiler:
I didn't expect you to be as passive as you've been. We came into Day 2 pretty sure you're scum, but with an open mind. There is stuff that points to you being town. It's a question of if it's in your scum range, too, and you know the answer to that, at least from my perspective.

The way town has been mowed down, there isn't much room for scum to hide here. and yet.

Spoiler:
I mean I want to say "But like, If I see you're a masonzier there's no way I can't kill you night one" but you apparently don't think that's what I thought?

Spoiler:
That hinges on you actually getting masonizer out of our crumbs. Which is possible, but doesn't feel like the most obvious interpretation, even though my crumbs to you were Xenosaga crumbs.

I figured you were able to decipher the crumbing we did to GiF since it was from the For Us micro, and that crumb screamed "you have to come to us", which I also tried to tell you -- the bit about being wallflowers.

And yeah, us not being dead if you thought we were some form of masonizer does point to you being town. Like I said, there's stuff that points that way.

Spoiler:
Not sure exactly how I can sell you that such is the case other than to point at that game's flips. I was never even thinking you meant for me to look at ~MY~ role.

7. Flandre Scarlet, Luis Virgil, Order Aligned Blue Testament (Mafia Goon), was lynched Day 1.

18. Varsoon, Canaan, Chaos Aligned Realian Black Box (Vanilla Townie), was killed Night 1.
8. Kagami, KOS-MOS, Chaos Aligned Consciousness of Mary Magdalene (Vanilla Townie), was lynched Day 2.
5. Cabd, MOMO Mizrahi, Chaos Aligned 100 Series Realian (Town 1-Shot Permanent Watcher), was killed Night 2.
15. pieguyn, chaos, Chaos Aligned Avatar of Yeshua (Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Bodyguard), was killed Night 2.

11. MafiaSSK, Kevin Winnecot, Order Aligned Red Testament (Mafia Tracker), was lynched Day 3.

6. Cephrir, T-elos, Order Aligned Reanimated Body of Mary Magdalene (Mafia Ascetic), was killed Night 3.
2. Aegor, Citrine, Yuriev Aligned URTV #668 (1-Shot Global Roleblocker Ninja Neighbor Serial Killer), was lynched Day 4.
3. Angry Frat BROs, Margulis, Chaos Aligned Ormus Inquisitor (Town Neighbor 2-Shot Inventor), was killed Night 4.
13. Metal Sonic, Jin Uzuki, Chaos Aligned Ex-Federation Captain (Town Neighbor), was lynched Day 5.
14. orcinus_theoriginal, Allen Ridgeley, Chaos Aligned Unassuming Engineer (Town Conditional Hated/Jailkeeper), was killed Night 5.
19. Venmar, Pellegri, Chaos Aligned Ormus Zealot (Town Neighbor), was lynched Day 6.

16. sangres, Gaignun "Rubedo" Kukai, Jr., Chaos Aligned URTV #666 (Town Mason Neighbor), was killed Night 6.

10. pirate mollie, Erich "Voyager" Weber, Order Aligned Black Testament (Mafia Neighbor), was lynched Day 7.

Spoiler:

Does Gamma's role make sense in this setup as a sort of empowered snarky fishes?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:44 am

There's the vengeful bit. Does that fit the flavor?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:46 am

In post 3952, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm ugessing snarky fishes is someone with a similar role, but which game are yall talking about

The Bloodstained mini theme that Bork ran. Snarky fishes was my hydra with Bell. We were a supersaint as human and a vengeful as demon.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:46 am

I was curious if it made sense in a scum-gamma world for that flavor to be vengeful.

Ninja-
Hi it’s me the person with the question

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:49 am

Was just curious how that worked out with flavor is all.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:52 am

I feel like ours had a very specific component to part of it.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:55 am

Spoiler:

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:58 am

In post 3962, Dunnstral wrote:We're not birthing anything

?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:05 am

In post 3969, Cabd wrote:
In post 3966, Kate Bishop wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 3950, Cabd wrote:one of which is the scary thought that this isn't just scum-you taking a victory lap
btw this bothers the fuck out of me.

One: I NEVER 1v1 you as scum, not for another decade at my rate of development. I hated that this day was going down the 1v1 path, and was resigned to losing that battle though not without the best fight I can muster. That's town-me hating it. Scum me just avoids the hell out it and kills you (because prior to the claim hilarity, I thought you had some sort of dedicated bodyguard thing going on with marci).

Two: how you can think my day 1 play, including backing you up on marci even though my read was starting to crack around the edges based on her lack of presence and your passivity, comes from scum-me is just bewildering. I'd have to do something different as scum after 2181, but ~this ain't it~.

Spoiler:
Hi bothered the fuck out of you, I'm also bothered the fuck out! Notsci rapidly evolved, why is it out of the realm of logic to think you as well are capable of such growth given you have the inside track? Why on earth do you think you lose a 1v1 here in town you world? Notsci has the confidence of morph-in-yggdra right now. (just, you know, minus all of the right reads, as far as his on me is concerned)

Spoiler:

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:07 am

In post 3970, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3968, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3962, Dunnstral wrote:We're not birthing anything
?
Why does this get a "?"

Rather than assume what you mean, I'd like for you to state it, along with any implications.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:08 am

Ssbm please unvote for the moment while we figure stuff out.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:12 am

In post 3977, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:ftr i was ninjad there and did not uv in response to that

Why don’t you want me to feel special

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:17 am

In post 3978, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3973, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3970, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3968, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 3962, Dunnstral wrote:We're not birthing anything
?
Why does this get a "?"
Rather than assume what you mean, I'd like for you to state it, along with any implications.
I was just responding to cabd talking about that

I'm still unclear about what you meant, then.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:19 am

Gif claimed flavor it wasn’t NGNL

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:23 am

In post 3987, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
In post 3984, Kate Bishop wrote:Gif claimed flavor it wasn’t NGNL
sorry not really paying that much attention to flavor - he hardclaimed he is not from that show and those characters are from that show?

As gamma already said yes, GIF is from a different series.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:36 am

If we do go the no elim route we should leash Dunn to us, and set the track on someone else.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:43 am

In post 3994, Gamma Emerald wrote:Kate are the super novice vig and 1s hood vig separate
If ever we end up in a good place numbers wise I want you to shoot me

We can only vig people in our neighborhood.

Aka, leash scummy people to us.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:02 am

I didn't assume his claim meant both are in the game, and didn't think only one being claimed means he's lying.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:32 pm

@Cabd

will you be around tonight? Will you have thoughts about reset and reads?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:43 pm

yeah. I just really want to hash some things out, :/

it is what it is.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:49 pm

I think it starts with reads though. not much sense talking before you've done your own homework.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:06 pm

I have to transcribe it.

Plenty of time for your stuff in the meantime!

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:58 pm

@luke- hows your catchup going?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:58 pm

Hi Luke!

I promise I haven’t been sitting here f5ing.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:09 pm

Im around if you have anything to kick our way, but we’ll let you catch up first

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:35 pm

Wait until he gets to the part about what her actual flavor is

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:53 pm

Have your reads changed any in recent pages luke?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:32 pm

We agree with killing Dunn in lieu of no elim.

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:41 pm

In post 4033, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah Wheme is definitely town

Show your work, please.

Your prior mentions of Wheme today are 3373 which is in favor of a wheme kill, 3650 where you shade his claim, 3763 where you mention his flavor, 3896 where you ask about Whemes Dunn read and never follow up, and 3918 where you include him in one scumteam then disqualify him for Cabd looking for the shirk flavor, despite Cabd being in every scum pool proposed in that post?

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:49 pm

If we leave Dunn he should be leashed to us, as I’ve said already.

Not opposed to killing gamma.

Do you think Marcis crumbs fit her flavor or her role, Luke?

Ninja-
If it’s any consolation Ffery and I have been confused why we’ve had thread control all of day 2. I’m currently transcribing some fun fun stuff that will hit thread after Cabd and ffery finish their chat!

Kate Bishop · Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:22 pm

I have no isekai knowledge. Our best bets are Cabd, Dunn, LLD.

Maybe SSBM or Gamma?

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:53 am

I would just like to take this moment to thank Luke for filling the void left in my heart by DGB and GIF.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:06 am

Even still, that should have been a signal there’s more to her role than she stated was the point

Even if you don’t understand the actual components of the crumb- I don’t think Luke has as much league knowledge?

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:23 am

In post 4065, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
League is kind of an isekai since the champs are transported to the rift by summoners

(she's*)

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:56 am

In post 4069, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
King of the Hill is my favorite american anime

SSBM what’s your pool looking like?

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:35 am

Kills don’t join our hood.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:41 am

In my opinion, both of you should flip a coin between Cabd and Gamma overnight. Don’t confirm it in thread beforehand.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:44 am

Wait please! Don't vote yet!

I'm hoping that Cabd and I can talk tonight, and then we'll drop a treatise.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:47 am

In post 4038, Kate Bishop wrote:
In post 4033, Gamma Emerald wrote:Yeah Wheme is definitely town
Show your work, please.

Your prior mentions of Wheme today are 3373 which is in favor of a wheme kill, 3650 where you shade his claim, 3763 where you mention his flavor, 3896 where you ask about Whemes Dunn read and never follow up, and 3918 where you include him in one scumteam then disqualify him for Cabd looking for the shirk flavor, despite Cabd being in every scum pool proposed in that post?

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:08 am

In post 4091, Lukewarm wrote:Okay.

VOTE: Dunn

In post 4092, Kate Bishop wrote:Wait please! Don't vote yet!

I'm hoping that Cabd and I can talk tonight, and then we'll drop a treatise.

In post 4108, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 4092, Kate Bishop wrote:Wait please! Don't vote yet!

I'm hoping that Cabd and I can talk tonight, and then we'll drop a treatise.
I don't think I would particularly trust a treatise from you as a pair, because I am of the opinion that one of the two of you are scum. I just don't know which one :/

The treatise is notsci's and mine. is already written up, and that's what I'm talking about dropping.

I want to talk to Cabd because I want his stances in the thread for future days, and I want those stances to be posted while we're still alive to give our thoughts.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:15 am

Thanks! <3

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:30 am

In post 4112, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think I want to no lim and have Wheme check Dunnstral tonight

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:32 pm

I'll be around in about a half hour. Maybe I'll have some interesting reading material waiting!

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:52 pm

Done my calculus for the week. Here for a while.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:58 pm

In post 3672, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I'm Akatsuki from Log Horizon, I'm a Tracker, not gated in any way.

Hence my suspicion when Titus talked about there not being an ungated Tracker, and my initial concerns about all the negative utility roles, because my role did not appear to have any negative utility. I voted Dunn in the anonymous voting because I tracked him last Night and he did visit DGB. I figured if I was killed in the anonymous vote without being able to claim that someone would put 2 and 2 together and see that I was TRing Dunn all day yesterday, and upon seeing my flip they would deduce I'd tracked him to the dead based on my vote.

In the post with her action claim.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:02 pm

Her post was telegraphed in her vote over the non-discussion vote. And correct play in this case IS to wait to see what the other person says. Are you seeing something in particular leaning you that direction?

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:07 pm

I'm back.

Will await more pretty colors.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:10 pm

In post 4133, WhemeStar wrote:I HATE THIS GAME WITH A PASSION

KATE ARE U SCUM

I CAN LITERALLY SEE EVERYONE HERE AS SCUM AND I HATE IT

We are not scum!

And we are extremely smug about you turning out to be the character Cabd thought marci crumbed after all our meta efforts on day 1.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:13 pm

In post 4132, Cabd wrote:I dunno, i kind of want my payment at the halfway point.

I'm happy to talk at any point.

You probably know that we're not impressed with your ssbm read.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:18 pm

because we got to a townread on him on day 1 after the meta speedrun.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:43 pm

~waiting intensifies~

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:20 pm

In post 4143, Cabd wrote::/ I'm deep down a gif-meta rabbit hole. Send help.

What's the nature of the rabbithole?

And how recent is the meta?

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:28 pm

In post 4146, Cabd wrote:"I gave up looking at pretty much every post in this game to re-read old gif games"

The nature of it is currently into the third page of his egosearch with noting of major value as far as discrepancies go but an inability to tear myself away. I'm mid 2018-ish.

But the first line of my gif read starts "I don't really think anything has changed in the past five years"

I owe it to myself to see if there's any data that points otherwise, because i struggle to name three scum in this list of 8.

The one I'm on now he hydra'd with the mod: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=75168

Did you look at the Gelato Newbie game he recently played?

I think there are some extremely slight changes that probably aren't material, but I factored them in anyway.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:30 pm

But I question spending a ton of time on GiF right now as opposed to after sorting currently active players.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:33 pm

In post 4147, Cabd wrote:My eyes are also glazing over. Finishing tomorrow after apple picking.

I'll take half of my kate-written fanfic tho.

I won't give you data that could make it easier to shape your reads to what you think I want before you put them in the thread.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:41 pm

Hi Gamma.

This is bad cop! You don't want to speak to good cop at the moment because she does not appreciate her lines of questioning being stepped in.

No, we are treating arguably the most dangerous scum player in the playerlist (tossup with LLD) with the necessary caution required. You all know where I stand, but we are giving him one last shot to prove us wrong. We refuse to give him the answer key.

Stay out of the line of questioning.

As a side note, we would appreciate LLD weighing in on it at some point.

Thanks.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:45 pm

Gamma, your stance on us and your trajectory has been abundantly clear throughout the entire day.

Don't act like this is a new thing.

I love that you're trying to frame it on us as the problem, though!

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:49 pm

I seriously doubt Cabd thinks I'm wasting his time.

This game has been partly stalled for a couple days to give him time to get well and get caught up.

I was hoping he'd be able to fully catch up tonight, but we have time to give him another day.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:52 pm

That's OOG, and there's a whole table of players juggling real life and the game.

And we've got a week yet on the timer.

Kate Bishop · Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:56 pm

That's probably plenty of time.