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[Wiki]

I know what you are doing. Faking distancing with me. It wont work.
VOTE: Three

[Wiki]

Let him go

[Wiki]

If he is red, Ico next

[Wiki]

6 votes, E-1.

[Wiki]

I think nobody cares, Three wants it, attacking his allies

[Wiki]

If red: t3,ico.
If green: t3,datisi,a50.

Think about Dwlee.

[Wiki]

Three,t3,ico,gera seems good, maybe 1 mistake.
Gera because among easy targets he tried to elim only Dorsey.

[Wiki]

I know for a fact that I spoke with and actively evaluated Dwlee.

This lie was to shadow Dwlee, i think.

[Wiki]

I think nobody cares, Three wants it, attacking his allies

You're not my ally and I'm getting voted by my town reads.

I am your town lean and you vote me.

Who should be elimed after your death? Datisi? Salsa?

[Wiki]

Three, should i unvote?

[Wiki]

You can see I have no understanding at all.
The game is hard.
Why are you voting me? To kill yourself faster?

[Wiki]

UNVOTE:

[Wiki]

He is almost claiming scum in his latest posts. I dont know why. Maybe there is epic bussing with him. Or maybe he is town, because scums are rather responsible because of the teammates.

[Wiki]

There are no votes on this slot, except 1.

[Wiki]

If red:

t3

,ico.
If green:

t3

,datisi,a50.

Think about Dwlee.

FFS, how is anybody blind enough to TR this. What Town... no what sane player votes someone and declare someone else Scum regardless of the voted player's alignment? If t3 is confirmed scum to the clown; why isn't t3 his preferred lim?

who's the scums?

Dorsey, ger, Wiki & T3

Waaait a minute...
Why dont you vote T3 when he had some votes?
For long time T3 was closer to elimination than Wiki.
If T3 is scum for you, why dont you vote him?

[Wiki]

Votecount 1.12

Three (3) - Datisi, Iconeum, T3
T3 (2) - Andresvmb, Selynee
Datisi (2) - Three, Dorsey
Almost50 (1) - Wiki
Dorsey (1) - Salsabil Faria
Wiki (1) - Almost50
Dwlee99 (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Looker, Dwlee99

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-31 06:52:46)

since this

[Wiki]

Votecount 1.13

T3 (3) - Andresvmb, Selynee, Wiki
Three (3) - Datisi, Iconeum, T3
Datisi (2) - Three, Dorsey
Dorsey (1) - Salsabil Faria
Wiki (1) - Almost50
Dwlee99 (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Looker, Dwlee99

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-31 06:52:46)

[Wiki]

Wait what
Almost50 scumread: t3, wiki, gera, dorsey.
Why do you vote Three now?

Do you see ANY of them 4 in the race for lim?

[Wiki]

You said you vote Three because of the race for lim...
But u didnt vote t3 when it was good time for that and was in top with votes...
You are lying monkey

[Wiki]

Blames me for not sticking to my SR with only Ico voting with me, but refuses to vote t3 because only Selynee is voting there.

I already voted there, this wagon died, when andre decided to vote three, what are you talking about, are you drunk?

[Wiki]

VOTE: Almost50

[Wiki]

Scums

[Wiki]

So Almost...
It seems you didnt vote T3 for long time he had 2-3 votes, and Wiki had only 1 yours.
Ico added +1 vote to Wiki not before, but after Andre unvoting from T3.
It means you dont want to elim your scummies in this game.
But when you saw an opportunity to vote Three with people, you did it, though he is not in your poe.

[Wiki]

Fortunately that vote doesnt count...

[Wiki]

I will talk with you the whole weekend, prepare yourself

[Wiki]

So what should I do with my vote, Looker?

[Wiki]

You are a Townie.

I'm VT.

Is it worth thinking about?

[Wiki]

Sely, should I end this now? (put on E-1)

[Wiki]

I dont trust you because of this. If you are townie PR you understand, that voting Wiki you are risking to get Wiki's vote to you because of that. Moreover Wiki was town lean for you and with no reason Wiki became scum for you, for protecting you.

Can you stop cherrypicking my ISO?

VOTE: Wiki

[Wiki]

I scumread Datisi, scumread T3. I was looking for their partners. And you with no reason decided to vote me, risking to get my vote in you. PR wouldnt do that.

[Wiki]

I guess I should hammer him.

[Wiki]

I dont believe him from this moment.
Pr wouldnt scumread me for no reason putting himself on E-1.
I know that now we have a problem to elim him and it is too late to vote him.

[Wiki]

I'm not allowed to vote scum??? You've been trying to bully me into voting T3, why the hell would I do what you say?

It doesnt matter am I scum or not. If you attack me on E-2, I can vote you, putting you on E-1. PR wouldnt do that, because of risk of getting 1 additional vote of a player who townread you.

[Wiki]

I did put you on E-1 because of your vote. It was predictable from your pov, especially if you think i am a scum. PR wouldnt do that.

[Wiki]

PR wouldnt vote a person who tries to save him from E-1.

[Wiki]

PR wouldnt vote a person who tries to save him from E-1.

everybody think about it
not about fucking mech problems
you should think about logic problem here

[Wiki]

Three, why didnt I hammer you if I am a scum?

[Wiki]

I why did I unvote before that? I have a right to vote you because you are doing shit with your vote and lying about talking with Dwlee for example

[Wiki]

I dont believe him. I have a role that makes me think that Jailkeeper doesn't exist on the side of a town.
VOTE: Three

[Wiki]

This player didnt talk at all with half of the list of players. He needs to decide where to go at night, but he is not trying to solve it.
No dialogs, no questions to many of them. And he lied about active talking with Dwlee for example.
He was tunneling hard to a few people.
He voted Wiki, who was protecting him, when he was on E-2. This makes no sense, because it is like asking to vote him to get on E-1 faster. PR wouldnt do that, PR needs to survive, but this is suicide for PR to get a new enemy by voting him (moreover I was town lean for him).

[Wiki]

Im 99% sure that we dont have 2 kinds of these roles in town. Three is a scum, pretending town PR.

[Wiki]

If you are real JK, congratulations, u ruined the game voting me. 2 fuckin claims. For what fucking reason? No reason at all. In this case u dont know how to play at all, asking your allies to elim you playing for pr.

[Wiki]

U voted me with no towny reason at all. You cannot see obvious town. I wont accept that. I usually dont look at mechanics, but i dont believe that there are two roles almost the same. This is also the reason to vote u. It is pity that i didnt hammer u when i had tge opportunity. I decided to talk with u. If i were a scum, I could do it easily and fast, if you are real. Thats why i dont believe tgat u still think im a scum

[Wiki]

Are u just a JK?
I have 1 more word in role.
I dont believe u havent.

[Wiki]

Sely, hammer him. Under my responsability. If he is green, you can elim me next.

[Wiki]

Is Wiki scum?

I claimed too. Three is the scum

[Wiki]

Dorsey, vote Three. He is lying about his role.

[Wiki]

Through the whole game I am more town than Three.
He is not PR. PR doesnt act like him on E2 and E1, pr tries to survive, but he just created new enemy for himself. I could hammer him, but i didnt. He is lying about his role.

[Wiki]

I don't understand what Wiki's saying. Is he claiming jailer as well?

Why do you need to know my role exactly, are you a scum?

[Wiki]

This is day 1.

[Wiki]

Almost the same.

[Wiki]

Where is he now? He just lurkes, hiding in mafia chat, planning what to do with new info. He is mafia scum. Hammer him under my responsability.

[Wiki]

Townie points to Dwlee btw. Though I think somewhere is bus partner. Because on e-2 three gave up too much, trying to make the game faster. Maybe T3.

[Wiki]

And i think he tried to shade Dwlee before e-1, talking about talking with him.

[Wiki]

Hammer him or I will reach 1000 posts on this weekend.
Im serious. He is lying about his role, i proved it, u will see it.
Im going to sleep too.

[Wiki]

He claimed to survive and run away. Dont be stupid to believe in such a scum claim

[Wiki]

Hammer him, while we have this chance. This is not for so long.
Dorsey can be mafia because of no hammering.
Who else?

[Wiki]

Be a hero, just do it.

[Wiki]

Are there any brave townies? Anybody? Who can solve this easiest situation? Who of two of us is more townie? Just hammer him for god sake please

[Wiki]

Ok, i will unvote in 5 minutes and go sleeping. If you dont want to make it faster.

[Wiki]

We will be talking and talkng and talking 2 days more before the night

[Wiki]

And not only talking. Miselim

[Wiki]

To hammer Three = to become a solid townie till the end of the game. Do it please. He is obv mafia

[Wiki]

VOTE: unvote
Vote Three
I will hammer him
I dont afraid

[Wiki]

Smb please vote Three, add some pressure on this slot please

[Wiki]

UNVOTE:

[Wiki]

Im town PR, I ask anybody please vote Three, this is not hammering yet. E-2

[Wiki]

We have almost the same roles. I dont believe in that. He has only 1 word in his claim, i have two words

[Wiki]

Guys, if you want to win this game, just vote Three, this is a scum.

[Wiki]

Why does a scum claims PR unprovoked?

[Wiki]

Just compare us:

I speak with everybody in this game, I tried all possible options to solve this puzzle. To understand what to do at night. Mafia cannot post so much and like me, it is almost impossible.

Three was narrow focused on a few players, not talking with the others, he claimed vt, he gave up on e-2 attacking a player who protected him most of the way, which is suicidal for pr to get one more vote, when he is on e-2 (btw he was scared about being on e-2 earlier, remember?). I unvoted him from e-1, then when he was on e-1 again he claimed JK, but i didnt hammer him, because i wasnt so sure about mechanics and that he is serious enough in this claim... I will hammer him if i get new opportunity

[Wiki]

Answer my god damn question Wiki. Why did you claim PR days ago and what specific role are you claiming?

U dont need to speak with your 100% scum

[Wiki]

I go sleeping
Hammer him, be a hero of this game.
VOTE: Three

[Wiki]

Dorsey, put your fucking vote in Three

[Wiki]

You are pretending stupid little boy, this is not true

[Wiki]

He was voting you, i was protecting both of you. You should trust me, if you are town. You was more town for me than him all the day. I ask you to elim him. Im obv townie

[Wiki]

See? This scum thinks not about a town win, but about a top post on page. Typical mafia

[Wiki]

He has got it. The page is 100. Time to end this too long day. Please hammer Three anybody, he is a scum.

[Wiki]

He even doesnt try much. He fakeclaimed and just having fun on e-1.

[Wiki]

Dorsey will be elimed after Three. They are both red players.

[Wiki]

Because Dorsey protects his mafia Three.
And they both scumread Datisi.

[Wiki]

Well, Datisi still can be a scum, idk

[Wiki]

I think Ico can be with Three. He voted anybody except Three, and he was forced to do it and get nervous after that.

[Wiki]

Just vote Three for god sake. Anybody. Please.

[Wiki]

Three (6) - Datisi, T3, Andresvmb, Salsabil Faria, Dwlee99, Wiki
Wiki (3) - Almost50, Iconeum, Three
Datisi (2) - Dorsey, Looker
Salsabil Faria (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Selynee

Interesting thing, hust think about it:

Is all team mafia voting Three and asking(begging) townies to elim Three? Does anybody believe in that?
I dont think so. And I think nobody believes in that.
Then look...
In that case who is a scum partner voting someone else who cannot hammer Three?
A50?
Ico?
Dorsey? Definitely not, he is with Three against Datisi.
Looker? No? Is he with Three against Datisi?
Gera?
Sely? No, it is stupid to unvote, she could act like she is offline not to unvote, there is no reason to unvote for her so fast.

Nothing prevents A50,ico and gera to vote Three.
What is the problem for A50,Ico,Gera to vote Three, if smb of them is scum? There are no problems. People ask them to do it, this is not risky for them at all.
So there are no mafia scums among them for Three, if Three is green.

So everybody of A50,Ico,Dorsey,Looker,Gera,Sely has only TWO options:
1. To be a townie
2. To be a mafia with scum!Three

There is no option that smb of them is mafia, if Three is green.

Do you understand this?

[Wiki]

Now hammer Three if you dont believe that the whole mafia team is voting Three.
It is impossible, because in other case one mafia otside this wagon would have hammered him already.
If he is green, the whole mafia team is voting Three, it will be easy to destroy them after.

[Wiki]

hust

Just

otside

Outside

[Wiki]

Sely, hammer him. If he is green, all mafia is voting him and cannot hammer him. If he is red, there are many of his partners outside of this wagon.

[Wiki]

@A50, didn't you want to close D1?

He is mafia with Three, he cannot hammer mafia

[Wiki]

Well, maybe not... Hard to believe that three of them are voting me...
Though interesting team: three, ico, a50, dorsey.

[Wiki]

Looker, Gera, hammer Three please

[Wiki]

Im town pr, i ask you to hammer him, do a clever action. Please. He is not green. If he is green it would be my fault, not yours. Wiki, Dwlee, Salsa and others ask you to hammer him. Dwlee is town for all of you.

[Wiki]

Sely, u know Im town, hammer him.
His actions are not towny, it is easy to understand on last pages.
He cannot be pr and still not be hammered by anyone in mafia, who has problems for example and could be elimed tomorrow in any case.

[Wiki]

I wrote 700 posts on day1, I opened my soul for all of you, i provided all my thoughts, all my thought process, to be easy to find me townie. If I were mafia, it would be lazy for me to post so much, I would wrote about 100 posts maximum, thats why I have an alt, because of my meta. But now im pr, so I need to be active to find all scums, or at least one, the meta doesnt matter for me now.
I ask you from my kind heart on my knees with tears on my eyes to vote Three, who is lying again and again, it is so obvious for me now.

[Wiki]

Vote Three
Vote Three
Vote Three

[Wiki]

I will unvote in an hour and we wont elim anybody today because of the time.
Or we will elim gera/dorsey.
So if you dont hammer Three now, somebody of gera/dorsey will die today.
I think it would be dorsey.

[Wiki]

Though im not sure he is mafia, because he could "be offline" instead of suspicious talking here about prs

[Wiki]

Three might be town only in your eyes.
But i know my role and im pretty sure he is not town.

[Wiki]

Your vote in salsa is stupid, nobody will elim her today.

[Wiki]

Datisi wont be elimed.
Today you should choose between two prs.
It should be very easy to find a mafia between two of us.

[Wiki]

Remember that mafia always claims in this situation, because mafia has nothing to lose on e-1.

[Wiki]

For mafia!Wiki i have no reason to force Three so much, i can just shoot him, i have no necessity to lose all town trust i've got. Think about it

[Wiki]

VOTE: Almost50

[Wiki]

VOTE: Three
A50,Ico,Gera,Dorsey,Looker,Sely
Who of you is stupid town? 3 of you i guess

[Wiki]

Sely, vote him

[Wiki]

Nice

[Wiki]

wiki, you should probably claim.

Not JK

[Wiki]

Well, shit happens.
Before his vote to me I was protecting him and I said who are probably scums if he flips green.
But then he did shit, said we are not allies, attacked me and claimed pr, i didnt believe him that pr could do that so suicidal, it looked like scum is seeking ANY option just to survive. So I claimed against him not to die instead of him.
I was town lean for him right before e-2. I didnt vote him, first of all it was his mistake to attack me in this situation. Then there was my mistake... I even unvoted, but his claim +his vote looked like a way to elim me, like a random person instead of him.

[Wiki]

Sely is 100% town by the way

[Wiki]

I will be later

[Wiki]

to elim me, like a random person instead of him.

Not just random, but who had more votes

[Wiki]

VOTE: T3

[Wiki]

Im going to sleep, tomorrow I'll have much work but maybe I will be here and talk.

Scum motivation, guys. Dont forget it thinking about me.
Datisi, btw, I unvoted him and didn't hammer him immediately after the claim. Is it ok for mafia to cc after this with very low chance of success? I really believed he is scum, that's all.

You'd better think not about people who wasnt hiding there, talking loud, but think about people who were hiding at that moment, still voting JK with me till the end. It took long time between his claim and his death.

[Wiki]

Dwlee&Salsa didnt unvote, and they talked a bit.
Datisi&T3&Andre kept silence, as I remember. For about 12 hours I guess.
The most suspicious there was T3, as I have already told.
When did he begin his attack to Three? After Datisi, as I remember, not sure now.
Who is protecting me now, probably knowing my green color?
T3.
I had a list of possible scums if Three flips green, I was working on this hard, thinking a lot about others (who are not with whom and why, whos thought process are more understandable as townie thinking, etc). This list is not finished and not 100% correct I think. But then everything changed in one moment and right now Im not in the mood to try hard. Especially if it changes nothing for me.

Im townie, I dont care, I have no fruit if you was talking about me, a50.

[Wiki]

you are avoiding the conflicts

[Wiki]

I dont believe that only townies elimed Three. So who of us? Salsa? That's all? You are townreading datisi and dwlee (I guess, I dont remember exactly), so who are scums here? Sely is conf.town. Only Salsa? She might be town still.

WHO IS SCUM, T3?

[Wiki]

+you tr andre

[Wiki]

im not sure about andre anymore. i wasnt sure honestly. i felt strange about him when he vote three and ran away. maybe rl thing. maybe not only that.

[Wiki]

andre, say genuinly why did you vote him? all the truth, all the reasons, even stupid ones if they exist. i guess i have some understanding, one option, but i wish to hear that, not to guess myself

[Wiki]

datisi, t3 - scums

[Wiki]

nah, you unvoted him only later when you were begging for a hammer on him, and said you will hammer him yourself. and not like hammering him immedately after the claim would make you look any good?

hey mafia, the chronology:
1) i protect him
2) he says we are not allies and votes me
3) i vote him on e-1
4) i unvote him
5) sely puts him on e-1
6) he claims jk
7) i start talking that i dont believe he is pr who attacks another townie on e-2 to get one more vote against himself
8) sely unvotes
9) im angry that he will survive this and i can be elimed instead of him, i cc and vote him on e-1
...
10) sely hammers him

[Wiki]

some good posts of Three, townpings

Spoiler:

Bad Wiki.

So Dwlee probably is town then.

probably towny thinking with fast conclusions after getting new info (though it was wrong info)

Wanting to know why something is scummy is not a bad reaction. Get your head out of your ass.

too rude for a scum here, like i've already said

VOTE: Selynee

I think Wiki is mostly flailing. But there's a good point being made about Selynee and even he sees it.

+for attentiveness to everybody

Wiki, chill.

why do scum need to do it?

the more i'm reading, the less i'm liking the argument between sel and three. mainly what i mean, sel is still feeling scummy to me, but something feels off about three pushing her there? i dunno. like piggybacking off of wiki's posts (which was frankly Bad) and 297 feels icky to me. like i think it's pretty natural here for someone to go "you're scum sheeping wrong!town onto me so you can hide behind them once i flip", and three is trying to twist that into some sorta scum!indicative thinking of her own possible future elimination.

three, how much mafia experience do you have?

I have enough experience.

I don't understand why you think my push feels off, Sel's thought process here just doesn't make sense to me. Not even 24 hours into the game and with only three votes on her, it would take a massive suspension of disbelief to truly believe that not only was I going to be the driving force behind her elimination, and not only am I scum fortunate enough to find two townies making bad reads on her for me to hide behind, but she also believes I'm going to death tunnel her and have my Day 2 strat all planned out weeks in advance.

It just, makes no sense to me. She doesn't even question the alignment of you or Wiki, and she doesn't question anyone who voted her after I did. T3 even made a naked vote and that somehow doesn't catch her eye?

I'm fairly certain Sel's scum read on me is fake, and the fact that you're pressuring me more than she is should be telling of that.

+for attentiveness

Selynee (5) - Almost50, Three, Datisi, Iconeum T3

UNVOTE:
actually not sure how much of a fan of this wagon i am
a50 is shitposting and not really doing anything, three had that weird post towards sel that i thought was bad-faithy, and t3's hop on is weirdly out of the blue

let's try uhhh
one two seven VOTE: three

Not liking the bad-faith parroting of T3. It's a minor point, but you never said you that thought that, T3 did.

+++for attentiveness, i liked this post much at that moment, because i noticed the same before you said this

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.

VOTE: Salsa

i quoted this just to say to you that the sense of her question was not to find a help to herself, but to hear the opinion of sely. i think you didnt get it.

@Three

I think Andre is town here. They come off as common sense stuff and like genuinely trying to solve stuff when they could just vote someone (like Dorsley) and be done with it. Like 869, 1213 and 1215. Like, that's no way someone would directly blame them for Dorsley getting miselim here (cuz the consensus is that he is playing badly if they are not mafia) and while wk might be a thing- I feel that would be easier to just let an easy miselim go on than trying to wk someone who barely posted.
Same for Faria. Like, they were scumreading her, made a case in 825 so post like 828 comes us genuinely trying to solve the game.

Datisi- I sort of like for the most part. Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context. The whole conflict with Wiki doesn't seem very productive cuz I think Wiki is town...but that seem more frustration-related than anything else.

Almost is...meh. Actually, I think the most pro-town thing was trying to get reactions on his wagon but he didn't follow up.

I am still not sure about Dwelee. Not sure why maf them would want Faria to be elim so much today when she is already in a pretty bad position (aka might be elim without them getting the spotlight if she is town). Not a fan of the fact that never built a case here

Gamma- see 636. I like 815...the only thing I don't agree with is that he is proposing basically 1234. Don't agree with, doesn't mean I think it is a lot of maf motivation there.

Gera and Dorsley are somewhere between...why would mafia do this and well, they could easily be mafia going for "well, they'll think why would mafia do this"


And it's time for my daily walk outside (hoping I don't catch the virus) so I'll give my thoughts on the rest later today.

K, I wasn't killed by a serial killer in the park (just my luck) so...

Faria- Actually don't find much mafia motivation with her entry. Faking believing the claim would have been something if she could get an easy miselim (like if any of them were at E-1 or something) but none were in danger of being elim. Plus stuff like calling for a policy elim doesn't seem like coming from someone who wants to be seen as town cuz from my limited experience, this usually isn't popular.

T3- Not a fan of their progression. Not helped by the fact that he doesn't really provides much info but like 375 says Three's read is made in bad faith but votes me in 377. 521- honestly, don't get why they are only suspecting me of pocketing when the same argument can be used that you were pocketing Datisi or Wiki by agreeing with them. Also, not a fan of the progression on salsa-516- meta stuff, 936- honestly don't see what's so bad in that reaction. 956- asks about scum motivations here but doesn't insist on this. 959- agrees with Andre's case. And that's basically all. No longer question Salsa read. Seems a superficial read there.

Ico- Did I say I don't like early reads? Cuz they lack consistency- like, if you say you townread someone on page 5 and scumread them on page 25, you can easily say "Well, the first one was just early vibes, now I no longer feel the same vibes" and this can easily come from both mafia or town.
Like, I actually like 352 and 368. Feels like a genuine attempt to make sense of Wiki's fake claim. And their early points on Almost. Plus from all the reasons they could give for voting me there, don't think mafia would come with 1374

Alright, I actually really like these reads, and hunting down specific posts to support your reads is +town.

TOWN

Andres- I've already made my thoughts on him clear. Very rational and logical, genuine attempts at solving, and not afraid to be combative. Overall a very strong town read.

Dwlee- I think they just town told early on by being lively and ready to play. I misread them in 2242 but tbh I really did think they were TSTBS there, here they're not actually afraid to have reads and solve alignments.

TOWN LEAN

A50- Not really doing much but I vibed hard with 767. I considered town locking him but that just seems foolish this early on into the game. Feels very different from 2242 where he was town but he could just be bored.

Ico- Early game felt weak but I wanted to let him simmer and see what he'd do over time. I like his more recent pushes, I just think he's wasting his time with Wiki.

Wiki- Probably town, I briefly considered him to be a potential Traitor just making a bunch of noise to provide cover for the scum team while guaranteeing he'd never get NK'd...but then he claimed PR for no reason. I just want him to chill if he's actually town, because he's going to get himself mislimmed if he keeps making a scene every god damn day.

NULL

Geraintm- Kinda hate that he's essentially refusing to play the game but that's apparently meta for him. It just means he can get away with it when he does roll scum though. If he doesn't start doing things Day 2 he needs to be auto-yeeted.

Sel- The reads list was genuinely townie, I'm re-evaluating your slot now and wondering if my earlier scum read on you was just wrong. I need more time to figure you out but I don't think you should ever be today's elim.

T3- Honestly, idk. I feel like I had a pretty good read on him in 2242 but lost him at the last second by trying to outguess the mod. He did scum slip hard though, so I guess he should just be sortable over time.

SCUM LEAN

Datisi- He made a lot of bad faith arguments with me and was more preoccupied with winning the argument rather than actually trying to solve my alignment. His interactions with Looker were also highly suspect, he seemed frazzled over some slight grilling and I just got bad vibes from it.

Gamma/Looker- Just as I was about to start re-evaluating Gamma, he replaced out, so that sucks. Looker's entrance is

fine

, but again, the interactions with Datisi gave me bad vibes. I strongly believe there's at least one scum between the two of them.

Dorsey- Basically just Gera but scummier. His reactions to pressure really make me want to scum lock him, it's that bad.

SCUM

Salsa- I've made my case for Salsa for awhile now, and I don't understand the hesitance to put real pressure here or why some people are even town reading her. There's nothing more to say that I haven't already said.

Are the bottom four of my list my hero solve? Eh, probably not, it's still too early to lock my reads in. I don't think a Salsa lim/pressure wagon is happening right now though, so my vote's between Dorsey and T3 as the leading wagons. Dorsey makes more sense with my reads, but Datisi is also voting him and it gives me pause. My top town reads are also on opposing wagons, so it's hard to read the better choice here based off of who's currently voting. So I guess for now I'll just go off of my own read.

VOTE: Dorsey

It is not a bad post. And this post is important. this is Three's position, readlist.

Im lazy to read and quote more (I skip a lot of your talking with datisi and sely, for example, i cannot see that as productive enough).

the problem is that our view is very different.
somebody of us is mistaking if we are both townies

though i decided to build my game in other way for now.
maybe i understood some things right and i cannot tell you the whole info now.
maybe i am mistaking, it is also possible.

the example how i was protecting Three, before he decided to vote me and to claim, trying to elim me instead of himself

[Wiki]

Wait did Wiki claim Jailkeeped killed original and then reclaimed townie?

yeah that was bad
but he put us in situation where i should be elimed instead of him, i was thinking he is fakeclaiming.
he claimed vt before that, he wasn't careful for pr, he tried to elim me (his town lean) instead of himself on e-2, than he claimed on e-1

[Wiki]

he had 5-6 votes, i had 3 votes, others had less votes, 1 day left for the end of the day1, only sely and I were unvoting in the end, almost everybody lurked away, not changing their votes during all claims for about 12 hours, and after everything we put our votes back on him

i think i was good before his vote in me, i was planning all possible options if he green or red. then it changed in really bad situation, when he attacked me on e-2 and claimed on e-1. only then i remembered he had huge towny paranoia about me, because he was thinking about a traitor, i told him not to think about it so early, but it didnt help. i wasnt 100% sure he is town.

i also thought if he is red, then i can be killed in night as JK. but...

[Wiki]

i claimed after him, not before
he did it not to die, i did the same thing because he had lost my trust

[Wiki]

Now if we skipped coaching, what you now suggest?

to find scums
among the lurkers during claimings
among people who voted three (not all mafia here, but smb for sure)

my conclusion before our fight in the end was: if he flips green, scums are t3,datisi,a50,...x.... im not sure. but i thought about that a lot. i looked on all positions of players, who is playing with whom against whom and why, i had lots of good reasons. i had many reasons why three is town, but most active players were voting him, nobody listened to me. i think i still have good reasons about townie points to the others at least.

ok now i need to go sleep

[Wiki]

Wiki, (t3,datisi,...)
Andre, (t3...)
Ico, (t3,three,dorsey,looker). Town Datisi,Dwlee.
Sely, (t3...). Town Looker.
Three, (datisi,dorsey,salsa,looker)
Dorsey, (datisi)
a50, (gera,dorsey,wiki,t3)
Salsa, (three,dorsey,wiki,looker). Town Dwlee,Datisi.
GammaLooker, (gera? datisi...). Town Salsa?
Dwlee, (gera,salsa...dorsey...)
Gera, (salsa,wiki?)
T3. (Three, dorsey... salsa?no? A50?no!)
Datisi, (three... a50? dorsey?). Town Ico,Dwlee.

if u need, this is the list:

a player (his scums). +interesting solid townies for him.

u can use it.
this is not full picture. i didnt mention a lot. for example almost everyone were playing with andre. and this was before andre changed his mind about tr/three and voted three after the others
this is in an order - from townies for me to scums for me. as you can see, i put high people who sred t3 and lower who sred three.
and i changed this sometime, this was almost the latest version.

[Wiki]

no time for talk now

Enchant, if you really need to understand my thinking and you want to catch up many interesting moments of day1, please read only the page 3 of my iso. There a lot of my serious thinking about many possible option and about all the players.

[Wiki]

I remembered one more moment about Wiki vs Three.
On e-2 I was proving that Three has no scum team with him before his vote to me, i was checking his iso with other isos.
But I also found out that he had not much talking with some players. It is in the end of page 3.
I told him he didnt talk with Dwlee for example, he lied to me that they were talking a lot. This was the first moment when I thought he can be mafia with dwlee or just trying to shadow dwlee with himself before dying (e-2). I said he is lying and he voted me after that.

[Wiki]

wiki, give a reason why i'm scum that doesn't involve t3.

you know what
you are voting only townies
enough of that
good night
VOTE: datisi

[Wiki]

i forgot andre is dead, lmao) just ignore this, i have no explanation for that

VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

ico, what are you doing

VOTE: T3
maybe this is the spicey wagon this game needs

ico pls
why not t3-t
why is three town

i think these posts are scummiest in your iso, and you sureness about ico's color from nowhere and other colors...
how many mistakes should you do to become a scum? you've got 1, u was rather sure

[Wiki]

i wasnt in good condition to play today. we will talk later after my working hours. sorry

[Wiki]

Guys, just find my scum partners. Say 3 nicknames - who are they? And remember how i played with any of these people. Maybe Dorsey is possible, ok, a little distancing now, this is ok. Who else? 2 more nicknames. A50? Looker? Anyone other?
Does mafia team with Wiki included exist at all?
Ico? Really?
Salsa?
Dwlee?
Datisi?
Maybe T3?
Gera?
Really, except Wiki Dorsey Looker A50 it is difficult to imagine anything, because other options are more horrible. These 3 are good only because they are not very talkative and there are no much talking with Wiki. Though I tried to destroy both Gamma and A50 in many moments.

[Wiki]

Only 1 hard moment with Gamma, but i brought many reasons against him, and he was replaced after that. Maybe a partner, maybe...

[Wiki]

Rather hard distancing (for partners) and no reasons for such distancing every time.
This is not just a vote. There are a lot of reasons or 1-2 really good reasons.
Your reasons to vote Three were not so good by the way.
I told you reasons why he is town.
But nobody listens to me.
Everybody of you are playing so good, and im so noob idiot.
But i was right about him before his vote to me the whole day1.
I was almost the only one who provided good reasons why he us town.
Not just fuckin "i think he is town, meta, vibes, etc".
Good reasons.
And u still see no reason to listen to me when im serious and with no emotions discuss different options.
Not like a monkey attacking a random player.
But providing reasons why and with whom.

[Wiki]

It doesnt matter. He attacked me with bad reasons, i attacked him for that with all force. Everybody of us was wrong. If we dont ingnore that tvt, we wont end this day well. I cannot understand from my pov now how many townies are voting me, who is protecting me. I didnt think much today, rn i just trust my opinion before that situation. I was thinking a lot about that. Maybe it is wrong, but i dont know what should change my opinion now. I wont be thinking about game at all if i see no hope to survive this day.

[Wiki]

In this case you are a scum.
VOTE: Dwlee

[Wiki]

Ok nobody wants to play and think, nobody wants to solve it and to prove anything, i dont want it too now, i dont care who are scums, if in any case today i will be elimed
VOTE: Wiki

[Wiki]

I go vla for 3 days. Im working and i have other fast game to play not on this forum

[Wiki]

Wiki Oct 19, 06:12am Nov 01, 11:20pm 0 days 0 hours 739 

 Iconeum Oct 19, 06:28am Oct 29, 07:23am 3 days 15 hours 242 

 Datisi Oct 19, 05:56am Nov 01, 03:46pm 0 days 7 hours 225 

 Salsabil Faria Oct 20, 10:12am Oct 30, 05:17am 2 days 18 hours 212 

 T3 Oct 19, 06:56am Nov 01, 03:40pm 0 days 7 hours 197 

 Dwlee99 Oct 19, 08:46am Nov 01, 10:52pm 0 days 0 hours 191 

 Andresvmb Oct 19, 07:12am Oct 29, 10:14am 3 days 13 hours 165 

 Three Oct 19, 02:12pm Oct 30, 04:43am 2 days 18 hours 156 

 Almost50 Oct 19, 06:51am Nov 01, 06:32pm 0 days 4 hours 107 

 Gamma Emerald Oct 19, 10:10am Oct 24, 12:25pm 8 days 10 hours 100 

 Selynee Oct 19, 06:35am Oct 30, 06:19am 2 days 17 hours 67 

 geraintm Oct 19, 11:42am Nov 01, 06:06pm 0 days 5 hours 61 

 Dorsey Oct 19, 08:53am Nov 01, 05:24pm 0 days 5 hours 59 

 Looker Oct 25, 08:29am Oct 29, 04:37pm 3 days 6 hours 44 

 ChaosOmega Oct 18, 07:51pm Nov 01, 02:42pm 0 days 8 hours 31 

 Enchant Nov 01, 01:18pm Nov 01, 03:42pm 0 days 7 hours 7 

Activity list btw. The amount of posts is on the right

[Wiki]

In situations like this the first one is always town with no exeptions

[Wiki]

We will lose, dont suffer, play it fast. Nobody listens to anybody

[Wiki]

Yeah

[Wiki]

In a 9 - 4 setup, town need to eliminate 4 scum before eliminating three townies. A one for one trade is 100% worth it to scum in this setup.

Enchant-sely is town 99%, but it doesnt help at all to solve this game.

[Wiki]

Quoted accidentaly

[Wiki]

I dont believe dwlee, though im not sure about anybody now

[Wiki]

I have a good ability to find who is with who. Or who are not together. If anybody wants to use it find my notes in iso page 3, many posts. I usually very good in this, especialky in the moments when i repeat smth a lot and very sure in little moments. Like i repeated that Three is town because he was too rude for scum. Sxums are careful , they avoid conflicts.

Look other isos, open two-three iso in one time. Look on dialogs between people. Mafia dont speak much with each other

[Wiki]

I found all mafia + dwlee who said that all mafia are townies.
Then i was voted by my townie Three and mafia won.
Thanks for the game.
Play using meta and other random shit more, logic sucks, i know.

I repeated my list of scums on day2, but who cares about it on d2-d3 after my death. Dont you know that last words of the dead player are important?

During the whole first day I said Three is town, Dorsey is town, but who cares? It is better to vote me, then dorsey after me, very nice idea.

Nobody played using opinions of dead townies - Andre and Wiki, we found almost the whole team correctly.

I brought good professional reasons why ico is scum and i show you examples why datisi and t3 are together, you had to read their isos together, looking for dialogs vetween tyem, like i asked.
I also talked about mafia Gamma, but he was connected with gera for me, so it doesnt matter so much