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Post Post #6389 (isolation #600) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:35 pm

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VOTE: Shiro
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Post Post #6402 (isolation #601) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:59 pm

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I mean is there literally any pairing here that I would be able to push without somebody being disappointed in me
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Post Post #6404 (isolation #602) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:04 pm

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ok
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Post Post #6407 (isolation #603) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:08 pm

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I hope you realize why your pairing has to die first if there is any chance that your slot can have scum in it
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Post Post #6408 (isolation #604) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:09 pm

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your pairing can have scum in it*
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Post Post #6411 (isolation #605) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:11 pm

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I see you've been reading my posts
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Post Post #6414 (isolation #606) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:16 pm

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I can't take the risk when I can see a scenario where Shiro is scum

the game is more winnable from this state if you're TvT than if we go the other direction and Shiro is scum
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Post Post #6415 (isolation #607) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:16 pm

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that's the short and simple of it

it's strategically the correct choice to flip your pairing first
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Post Post #6417 (isolation #608) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:20 pm

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I see more than you think I do
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Post Post #6423 (isolation #609) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:24 pm

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In post 6422, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6418, Harley Quinn wrote:as soon as me/Shiro flip T-T, everyone is going to ignore this and hand gl/RH9 the victory.
I don't plan to do this if that happens, for the record. And I don't think Alyssa does either.
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Post Post #6425 (isolation #610) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:26 pm

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and if Datisi/GL are TvT, then Shiro endgaming would be entirely on your head
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Post Post #6428 (isolation #611) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:29 pm

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that was under the perception that my view of what was going on was right

I then decided to check from another view and it suddenly made sense that you were scum from that view

so my approach changed
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Post Post #6431 (isolation #612) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:31 pm

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Shiro do you at least understand why I want your pairing removed first
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Post Post #6436 (isolation #613) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:35 pm

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if both pairings are TvT, then we're in a lot of trouble I think
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Post Post #6437 (isolation #614) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:35 pm

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otherwise I think we don't lose
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Post Post #6441 (isolation #615) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:41 pm

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thanks HQ

I'll take that into consideration
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Post Post #6447 (isolation #616) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:45 pm

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this certainly is a mafia game alright
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Post Post #6452 (isolation #617) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:48 pm

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I'm legit starting to think it's like Datisi/Rh9 lmao
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Post Post #6456 (isolation #618) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:53 pm

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if
your
pairing
is
TvT
then
GL
never
endgames
ever
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Post Post #6463 (isolation #619) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:57 pm

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I'm game for that tbh
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Post Post #6471 (isolation #620) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:00 pm

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you lost your faith in players for agreeing to a leave order that ensures town wins by your measure

O K A Y
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Post Post #6476 (isolation #621) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:02 pm

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that's some next level shit right there ngl
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Post Post #6479 (isolation #622) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:03 pm

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if we get through these 4 flips and only Datisi flips scum, I don't want to leave immediately

at
that
point I'd like to slow down a bit and take our time to make sure we get it right
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Post Post #6480 (isolation #623) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:04 pm

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same if only Shiro flips scum, but I kinda doubt that'll happen now

I'm fine with leaving immediately if only GL flips scum
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Post Post #6484 (isolation #624) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:06 pm

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if Taly just wants me to leave anyways I will

but that's the one scenario I haven't thought through myself yet
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Post Post #6488 (isolation #625) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:07 pm

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and obviously if only Shiro is scum, then I do think Galron is a viable partner for her as I've stated earlier
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Post Post #6493 (isolation #626) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:08 pm

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that game was a really funny trainwreck to watch as a scumbutt
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Post Post #6495 (isolation #627) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:09 pm

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the vig n1ing the cop was the funniest part
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Post Post #6498 (isolation #628) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:10 pm

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In post 6496, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 6488, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:and obviously if only Shiro is scum, then I do think Galron is a viable partner for her as I've stated earlier
Great we’re for sure losing now.

Congrats gl/RH9. gg
the fuck are you talking about
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Post Post #6502 (isolation #629) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:17 pm

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VOTE: Datisi/GL
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Post Post #6505 (isolation #630) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:20 pm

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generally the way you can tell whether I'm town or scum is whether I'm able to do everything in my range at once
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Post Post #6507 (isolation #631) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:22 pm

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idk what else to really tell you tbh

I'd tell you your paranoia is unfounded but I've done that before with Enter so it kinda isn't

but realistically, it should already be a red flag that Dat/GL flips town in that instance and you can take the time to really think about it
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Post Post #6508 (isolation #632) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:23 pm

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I feel better about Galron now, I was mostly worried about him because the way he was playing the start of second dance was giving more credence to the idea that it was an elaborate setup

but with Shiro being town that's a lot less likely to be the case
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Post Post #6509 (isolation #633) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:25 pm

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if you're worried enough, read through fire on the mountain, that's the closest example I have to what this game would be from my past scumgames
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Post Post #6511 (isolation #634) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:29 pm

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In post 6509, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:if you're worried enough, read through fire on the mountain, that's the closest example I have to what this game would be from my past scumgames
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

here you go
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Post Post #6513 (isolation #635) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:35 pm

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I don't think activity would've been much of an issue

finding an agenda wouldn't be hard at all for scum me in a dance setup since I go into it with an agenda as town anyways
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Post Post #6514 (isolation #636) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:35 pm

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and I hadn't played for 1.5 years so it's probably more relatively usable than most people's games from 2 years ago
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Post Post #6516 (isolation #637) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:36 pm

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more likely town than RH9 I think
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Post Post #6518 (isolation #638) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:38 pm

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one of the things that pinged me a bit is that he posted several posts in the PT about GL maybe being town, and that was like 18 hours ago

it's something that really depends on GL's flip, but I think RH9 is legit the partner if GL is scum
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Post Post #6519 (isolation #639) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:38 pm

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btw I don't know if I actually mentioned this yet, but I was always lying about my townread on RH9

I townread him for a little bit for something he did at some point in first dance I can't remember anymore, but otherwise I was nullish scum on him all day
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Post Post #6521 (isolation #640) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:40 pm

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if the team is GL/RH9, they have no wincon anymore except hoping that we turn on SS/Galron for some reason
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Post Post #6527 (isolation #641) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:45 pm

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weren't we scumpartners in timeshift?

that would be a really funny encore
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Post Post #6531 (isolation #642) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:49 pm

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I replaced out day three or something after Akarin vanished
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Post Post #6532 (isolation #643) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:51 pm

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by the time I left, town was already pretty fucked though
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Post Post #6536 (isolation #644) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:28 pm

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if your pairing is TvT then something is majorly fucked with this game
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Post Post #6539 (isolation #645) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:34 pm

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In post 6538, Taly wrote:
In post 6536, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:if your pairing is TvT then something is majorly fucked with this game
We said this with
Shiro/HQ
though...
that was not my stance
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Post Post #6540 (isolation #646) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:34 pm

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if you mean both pairings being TvT? That is what I mean yes
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Post Post #6543 (isolation #647) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:39 pm

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oooooooooo

I'll hold you to that
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Post Post #6546 (isolation #648) » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:47 pm

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who do you think is scum again???
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Post Post #6554 (isolation #649) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:47 am

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Should probably point out that I don't think Andante ever dies if I don't push her like that, at least not in first dance
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Post Post #6562 (isolation #650) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:44 am

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In post 6557, Taly wrote:Hey Aly if your townread on RH9 was fake, why be OK with Dat/GL lim next?
My earlier stance that killing the scum in RH9/Ydrasse first is not a good idea is still the case
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Post Post #6563 (isolation #651) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:44 am

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In post 6555, Datisi wrote:i mean, probably, that's what gl told me too. but hey, this game probably is fucked beyond belief so can you blame me for going in that direction.
No

I'd honestly expect the paranoia on me to happen about now
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Post Post #6567 (isolation #652) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:23 am

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If we hit 4:2 then things change a bit

From my pov I just need to disprove that Ydra and RH9 is SvS and see where I go from that angle

From your pov it's a bit harder

Inb4 perspective skip
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Post Post #6569 (isolation #653) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:26 am

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This game feels very odd since I independently feel there has to be a deepwolf in this game, but I literally don't think anybody but myself actually fits that anymore of the players still alive

I guess datisi could count but that pairing has been on very shaky ground even going into intermission
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Post Post #6571 (isolation #654) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:27 am

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In post 6568, Datisi wrote:alyssa, can you talk about the "i shouldn't be as certain on datisi!town as i was in predance"? what's the reason for your vote atm, who do you believe is scum?
Your entrance into second dance was among the more odd ones and I realized at some point that I'm not entirely sure I can know that what you're doing is out of your scum range

My main issue with you being scum is pairing with GL at all mainly
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Post Post #6572 (isolation #655) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:30 am

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Idk

I feel like the fact I was reading Ydrasse in a similar vein to marcistar and that the oddness of the marci/norwe pairing can easily be explained by ydrasse also being scum is kinda convincing me again that she's scum
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Post Post #6596 (isolation #656) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:43 am

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In post 6573, Datisi wrote:i mean, the pairing i was thinking of pushing ended up being nightkilled, and i knew my pair was gonna be under pressure because of andante flipping red so like, idk what you expect from me there but it was always gonna be odd
I think this conversation is productive without my input atm
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Post Post #6597 (isolation #657) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:43 am

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That quote was an accident
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Post Post #6598 (isolation #658) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:56 am

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Independently though, I kinda feel like the perception of my alignment is kinda important at this stage so I'll engage into it

Main thing about it is how would you all expect me to approach this game from a scum pm? I can prove how I approach it with a town pm but I can't atm
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Post Post #6604 (isolation #659) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:00 am

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how funny would it be if we decide to delay today to think things through more

and then RH9 suddenly becomes sure I'm scum, leaves, and we flip TvT
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Post Post #6606 (isolation #660) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:34 am

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idk if I feel like I need to throw out all of my reads yet

tbh I've actually been feeling that maybe my pre-dance reads were the strongest they've been
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Post Post #6607 (isolation #661) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:37 am

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I helpfully posted my reads in the beginning of my PT with RH9 when the dance started

Firebringer
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Andante
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Post Post #6610 (isolation #662) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:21 pm

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yes my vote has not changed
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Post Post #6612 (isolation #663) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:48 pm

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In post 6611, Taly wrote:Similar to what you're doing now tbh, you seem comfortable eliminating pairs that are unlikely to break up. While this does hold town to a standard of critically evaluating their partner, I see the counter argument in that this erodes townblocs and it seems convenient for you with a scum wincon to vie for the current yeet whether they're misses or bussing another player.
okay, but would I create this specific gamestate in the first place?
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Post Post #6614 (isolation #664) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:52 pm

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I'd still like to point out that we had a scenario where a known TvT pair was under an insane amount of pressure for a long period of time, with a player inside of it that can easily disrupt town for the rest of the game

it's also relatively simple to eliminate that pairing in first dance, because I would have gone out of my way to set it up in the first place

I had a prime chance to remove the pairing that had next to zero odds of ever turning on each other

...yet I bussed my partner instead, knowing that it was very likely going to cause Firebringer to leave

also simultaneously after throwing my other partner in marcistar under the bus in first dance
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Post Post #6615 (isolation #665) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:55 pm

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me being scum also pretty naturally follows that I bussed Andante and then instructed her to try to kill the Titus/STD pairing, then killed that pairing immediately afterwards
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Post Post #6617 (isolation #666) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:00 pm

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simultaneously, I am well aware of the following:

1. I am notoriously hard to read for a lot of people on this website
2. I have burden of proficiency attached to my name, so the fact is that there's likely to be paranoia on me when I start pushing down TvT slots, especially after explicitly being correct on 2/2 pairings in first dance having scum within it
3. I can't truly ever be sure what Ydrasse's place in the game is, since I can never be quite sure what you are thinking of her
4. SS/Galron has been the most floated endgame TvT pairing for a long while now, while I had been setting up the Titus/STD pairing to die in second dance
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Post Post #6619 (isolation #667) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:02 pm

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so if I'm bussing two of my scumpartners immediately, I have to have a damn good reason for it and to be certain that I can keep RH9 in my pocket, because all my work in fooling everybody else is irrelevant if I can't even prevent my own partner from leaving

that's the thing about this setup, you can't ever truly know what endgame is going to look like when the pairings are all fucked up like this, so it's easily way safer to play to have as many endgame options as possible
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Post Post #6620 (isolation #668) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:02 pm

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In post 6618, Ydrasse wrote:shower thoughts from earlier were that if gl/dats are t/t this game's been imploding townwise for a long long time and i dont think scum had to do a lot to really egg on anything to happen since everyone was being sets of stubborn asses so looking back and people who haven't really uh. had really big stances at any point probably are just scum (rh9/galron)

like i still can't get over galron trying to reaction test his own partner in the pt for like minimal/no reason and then not even talking about it until he was prodded to do so lol and then rh9 being wishywashy and not committing to anything really and wanting more time but just kind of. there.

i kinda think that everyone who voted out shiro/hq was town
blunt honesty?

I can very easily see this being true
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Post Post #6623 (isolation #669) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:09 pm

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I have a proposition for you Taly

if you can ever be confident about a townread on Ydrasse, we just nuke every other pairing
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Post Post #6625 (isolation #670) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:12 pm

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because the read expressions on Ydrasse were all negative and leaving your pairing alive heightens the paranoia, which means your slot leaving is very likely a gimme TvT flip
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Post Post #6626 (isolation #671) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:13 pm

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btw when you have a game that seems hard like this, find a way to break it down into something simple and it looks way more manageable
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Post Post #6630 (isolation #672) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:19 pm

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I mean

Shiro+HQ probably never dies, at least it would be very rare; if this pairing is a threat, then it's way safer to kill off a pairing that is actively defending it
Datisi+GL never dies
Me+RH9 dies in some scenarios where RH9 is town, probably, but there is inherent value in keeping this pairing alive since RH9 has mostly garnered negative reads on him
SS+Galron might die if there's no good kills, it's probably the most likely pairing to just be arbitrarily turned on
Titus+STD and Taly/Ydra have very similar traits, where STD/Ydra are both viable reasons to kill off their specific pairings and you/Titus both are players that are most likely to pull town together in second half

so basically I think that 80+% of scenarios are your pairing or Titus' pairing dying for that reason alone
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Post Post #6631 (isolation #673) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:20 pm

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I honestly could see the STD push and subsequent Titus/STD kill to be just really sloppy implementation of whatever they were trying to do

it just doesn't feel like it was planned very well
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Post Post #6633 (isolation #674) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:22 pm

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this is the second dance game where I reached late game with a partner that nobody thinks is town
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Post Post #6634 (isolation #675) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:23 pm

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only difference is I'm not actually townreading RH9 and therefore if he's town and we endgame, the entire dead thread doesn't get to eat shit this time
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Post Post #6636 (isolation #676) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:24 pm

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I actually am townreading her atm
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Post Post #6640 (isolation #677) » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:44 pm

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Should i leave now
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Post Post #6647 (isolation #678) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:00 am

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I'm kinda in a state where I don't think I can ever be sure about RH9 to ever be comfortable endgaming
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Post Post #6655 (isolation #679) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:25 am

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Would it be valuable if my and Taly's PTs were paraphrased in here
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Post Post #6659 (isolation #680) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:39 am

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I always give relative timings when I do mine
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Post Post #6662 (isolation #681) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:53 am

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In post 6657, Something_Smart wrote:I'm partially sheeping Alyssa (which is the case with pretty much all my reads, honestly).
This probably isn't the best move

I have reasons to townread and scumread basically every slot still alive and I don't think there's a single person here I would say I can confidently read directly
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Post Post #6663 (isolation #682) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:56 am

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My early gamestate read gave me mostly accurate reads based on the flips so maybe I should just go with what I was thinking early game
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Post Post #6664 (isolation #683) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:01 am

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I'm a lemme look little worried about a SvS pair
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Post Post #6665 (isolation #684) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:02 am

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How did that even happen

Wtf
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Post Post #6666 (isolation #685) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:49 am

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You know what, I don't feel like being blamed for the loss if I try to fit my own some, so I'm just going to hard sheep GL/Dats having scum

And if it's GL, I'm immediately leaving
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Post Post #6667 (isolation #686) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:49 am

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My own solve
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Post Post #6669 (isolation #687) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:02 am

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I don't think town ever wins if both of our pairings are TvT
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Post Post #6670 (isolation #688) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:02 am

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Only possible way is if it's Galron and SS, but if ydrasse is scum and both of you are town, I really don't think this is winnable
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Post Post #6672 (isolation #689) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:26 am

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Galron/SS and one of ours
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Post Post #6675 (isolation #690) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:12 am

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A fresh scum game of mine for you all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13194775
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Post Post #6680 (isolation #691) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:59 am

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I've beaten a lot of strong town players as scum
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Post Post #6681 (isolation #692) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:00 pm

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It's really not as hard as people think it is

If you don't show that you're afraid of or playing around them, usually it works out fine
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Post Post #6683 (isolation #693) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:29 pm

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I think you were the only player that wasn't scum in any game
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Post Post #6686 (isolation #694) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:42 pm

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Except this game
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Post Post #6688 (isolation #695) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:44 pm

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Anyways

That's motivated scum!me

Make of it what you will
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Post Post #6697 (isolation #696) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:38 pm

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Idk I might just go into all my overall thoughts tonight and see if anyone can get something from that
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Post Post #6698 (isolation #697) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:39 pm

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Especially my thoughts on Ydrasse specifically
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Post Post #6699 (isolation #698) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:40 pm

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Because in my heart of hearts, I shouldn't ever be townreading her just based on the things I've noticed over time in the thread

But for some reason I don't want to lock it in
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Post Post #6705 (isolation #699) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pm

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Here's our PT:

Spoiler:
Dec 19:
1 - (Me) - Hi
2 - (RH9) - Hi, says he'll be posting less in the PT until intermission
3 - (Me) - Reads list I posted earlier except colored based on my reads, notably Shiro is listed as scum and not town
4 - (RH9) - Quotes #3 and asks what the colors are
5 - (Me) - Answers that my reads are a gradient and detailing what the gradient is
6 - (RH9) - Asks if I'm null on Ydrasse and scumreading Shiro
7 - (Me) - Yes to Shiro read, saying that my read on Ydrasse is not indicated
8 - (RH9) - Quotes #7 and acknowledges
9 - (Me) - Corrects myself as townreading Shiro because I realized I thought Shiro replaced someone else
10 - (RH9) - Quotes #9, asks if I'm scumreading Harley Quinn within the pair
11 - (Me) - saying yes
12 - (RH9) - Reposts my #3 and #5 within a table, asks if its correct
13 - (RH9) - Quotes #12 and says that he put the scale there so he wouldn't forget
14 - (Me) - Says it's right but Shiro is a townread
15 - (RH9) - Quotes #12 with correct Shiro read and asks if that's what I mean
16 - (RH9) - Quotes this post and says my townread said that
17 - (RH9) - Tells me I should tell Shiro I'm not scumreading sooner rather than later, comments that he doesn't know what pronouns Shiro prefers
18 - (RH9) - Quotes this and says I should tell Shiro soon and that he's trying to but I should say it anyways

^Everything above was posted within 4 hours of first dance starting

Dec 20:

19 - (Me) - Posting that NorwegianBoyEE has an agenda and I've been thinking that for a while now
VOTECOUNT 1.0
VOTECOUNT 1.1
VOTECOUNT 1.2
20 - (RH9) - Asks if his townreads are being given away too freely (referring to his table with all the townreads)
21 - (Me) - Say I'll check his work and see what I think of them
22 - (Me) - Galron read comments (I won't explain these more than that, but I'll paraphrase specific ones if requested, it'll take too long otherwise)
23 - (Me) - Datisi read comments
24 - (RH9) - Quotes #22 and says he gave Galron a townread he shouldn't have and that's why he got pocketed in another game
25 - (Me) - Catboi/Shiro read comments
26 - (Me) - Marcistar read comments, except not really since all I said was it depends; iirc they were really vague comments about the walls
27 - (Me) - Firebringer read comments
28 - (Me) - Save The Dragons read comments
29 - (Me) - Ydrasse read comments
30 - (Me) - Prism/NorwegianBoyEE read comments
31 - (Me) - GuiltyLion read comments, except not really since I just say that I'm not sure if he's townreading the walls because they're walls or not; I ask him what he would think about GL if I say he can make those posts as scum
32 - (Me) - Cabd/Something_Smart read comments
33 - (Me) - Angielily/Harley Quinn read comments
34 - (Me) - Runaway HQ(?) read comment
35 - (Me) - Alyssa The Lamb read comments, post that I don't know how to read those specific posts being the source of his townread on me
36 - (Me) - Andante read comments
37 - (Me) - Lady Lambdadelta/Titus read comments
38 - (RH9) - Quotes #36, says that something I said was a good point but that doesn't change his read on her
39 - (RH9) - Quotes #31, says that GL's posts feel processed, says that's not AI since he does it too at times, but says that GL's posts seem like he rewrote them several times before posting to avoid causing any offense
40 - (RH9) - Quotes #37, affirmative to my question about whether the posts he's townreading from Titus are just all her walls (which I didn't even check before posting because I could just feel they were)
41 - (RH9) - Quotes #35, says that they were the ones that stuck out to him
42 - (RH9) - Asks if only his STD townread is valid, since it's the only one I explicitly didn't have any real comments about
43 - (Me) - Negatory that it's just my thoughts on all his individual post thoughts, asks how my thoughts change his reads
44 - (RH9) - Quotes #43, just says that he's more afraid of having misread people
45 - (RH9) - Asks if HQ will be "set off" by some GL post, puts a link to the OP of the neighborhood as "3110" (presumably GL's aforementioned post)
46 - (Me) - Affirmative
47 - (RH9) - Says at least the main thread isn't exploding
48 - (RH9) - Says GL is acting defensive in two posts called "3116" and "3118" that both link to the OP of the neighborhood

Dec 21:
VOTECOUNT 1.3
VOTECOUNT 1.4
VOTECOUNT 1.5
VOTECOUNT 1.6
49 - (RH9) - Asks what my opinion of GL is
50 - (RH9) - Says that he doesn't know if GL is attempting to create death wishes in other players, says that he was upset at GL criticizing him but not enough to cry
51 - (Me) - Says that I'd break if GL is scum and clarifying that it isn't an actual read as much as it's a game health is bad if true read
52 - (RH9) - Quotes #51, asks if GL is a good scum player
53 - (RH9) - Rues his presence in the main thread, says it might make GL no longer be a townread to everybody
54 - (RH9) - Says he doesn't like having scumreads and that saying GL was one was a mistake
55 - (RH9) - Asks if Datisi is going to vote for us because of #54
56 - (RH9) - Says GL is posting with an agenda and that he wants to vote GL for it
57 - (RH9) - Says he will
58 - (Me) - Quotes #52, says that GL as a player thinks with more of a neutral lens and applies his own personal perspective less, says it makes emulating town posts less difficult for players like that. Furthermore, that I read players like that by how I'm reading other players since I'm weak at determining them by what they choose to and not to comment on, which is a type of reading that I'm bad at
59 - (Me) - Says that my read switching to town on SS is a sign that my GL townread might be bad, will keep it in PT for now
60 - (Me) - Says not to say it publicly
61 - (Me) - Says that if he's scum, don't say it in the scum PT either, but it's pointless to request that
62 - (RH9) - Asks if he's being too dramatic
63 - (RH9) - Says he has a tendency to exaggerate and react heavily sometimes
64 - (Me) - Says I do worse
65 - (RH9) - Quotes #64, asks me to confirm
66 - (RH9) - Says the last time he did #63 was in a past mini game because he hadn't played a normal game yet
67 - (RH9) - Says something about GL stamping out Norwe, asks if that's too dark to say
68 - (RH9) - Says he thinks that it means GL did something very mean
VOTECOUNT 1.7
69 - (RH9) - Says that the OP of the neighborhood is a good faith push by GL, calls it "3700"
70 - (RH9) - Says he was mean to GL and that GL doesn't need to apologize to him for it
71 - (Me) - Quotes #65, Explains the source of most of my meltdowns in games, really don't need to paraphrase more than that beyond "BoP"
72 - (Me) - Explains that #71 indirectly caused me to request my site ban
73 - (Me) - Dismisses 71/72 as a conversation to be continued, responds to 70(?) saying that it'll be fine since RH9 did a reach out
74 - (Me) - Avoiding the main thread but will still talk in PT
75 - (RH9) - Relief (Responding to 71/72)
76 - (RH9) - Claims he did #63 again
77 - (Me) - Says I'm probably being harsh on HQ, but her timing on entering the game wasn't good for me (will not go into this more, personal stuff)
78 - (RH9) - Says HQ doesn't think badly of me
79 - (Me) - Says I think HQ is the least likely player to critically reassess her partner if it's required and I don't want her in endgame for that reason
80 - (Me) - Quotes #78, says it's because I'm townreading her
81 - (RH9) - Quotes #79, says only GL has done that really and it was he himself that didn't react well to it
82 - (Me) - Says the lines are blurring for me on the sources of my reads and I need flips to realign myself with my own thoughts
83 - (Me) - Says it only matters in second dance (responding to #81)
84 - (RH9) - Says he forgot that Titus wasn't good with GL
85 - (RH9) - Quotes #84, says he remembered when she voted GL when he himself voted GL

Dec 22:
VOTECOUNT 1.8
VOTECOUNT 1.9
VOTECOUNT 1.9 (again)
86 - (RH9) - Announces that Norwe's replacement is Not_Mafia
87 - (RH9) - Says that he thinks a hammer is incoming
88 - (RH9) - Quotes #87, claims he counted wrong
89 - (RH9) - Says that Norwe slot is 2 votes away from death
90 - (Me) - Says that the pairing can't live, Norwe's replacement is a chronic troll
91 - (RH9) - Quotes #90, asks if we should let N_M give his reads
92 - (RH9) - Says he would feel bad for putting N_M 1 vote away from death before he could give reads, says he has intent to vote if they're bad reads
93 - (Me) - Says N_M giving reads won't ever happen
94 - (Me) - Says I suppose I'll do my homework
95 - (RH9) - Found saying STD is an oldschool player funny
96 - (RH9) - Says he can't wait to see what STD thinks

Dec 23:
VOTECOUNT 1.10
VOTECOUNT 1.11
NOT_MAFIA + MARCISTAR FLIPS
VOTECOUNT 1.12
97 - (Me) - Says RH9 needs to do something town in the PT or I can't keep shielding him
98 - (RH9) - Expresses annoyance that Marcistar did something similar to what Fferylt did as scum before
99 - (RH9) - Says he needs to think through his reads again, exclused STD/GL/Me
100 - (Me) - Tells him to post them in the PT if he needs distance from the main thread
101 - (RH9) - Asks my reads on Datisi and GL (NOTE: This is roughly the time where GL and I briefly tunneled each other)
102 - (Me) - Says Datisi is mad as town, GL is either playing bad or scum
103 - (RH9) - Asks if he can tell them that I'm not townreading GL
104 - (RH9) - Datisi won't like it if he doesn't state it
105 - (Me) - Says to do it but make sure it's not word for word (NOTE: Assumed he meant 59/60/61, he wound up saying 102)
106 - (RH9) - Acknowledged
107 - (RH9) - Says he paraphrased that I said GL's play is "rubbish" because he didn't know what else to say
108 - (RH9) - Says we will die at GL's hand
109 - (RH9) - Says he didn't paraphrase correctly
110 - (RH9) - Says he found rubbish by looking up synonyms
111 - (Me) - Says that Datisi wanted RH9 to indicate that I wasn't townreading GL for longer than very recent postings
112 - (RH9) - Asks if it's a specific post by STD, specifically this post (I don't remember what this conversation is about, this was posted 12 minutes after #111)
113 - (RH9) - Asks which direction of the post it was
114 - (Me) - Says my answer is in the main thread
115 - (RH9) - Quotes #114, says he looked at it
116 - (RH9) - Says GL is too confident in his reads, especially the scum ones
VOTECOUNT 1.13
117 - (RH9) - Says that pairing in general is an echo chamber
118 - (RH9) - Says otherwise GL wouldn't feel as confident
119 - (RH9) - Says he wants more people to be Firebringer-like
120 - (RH9) - Says he's afraid to knock GL over by saying his reads aren't correct, Datisi won't like it

Dec 24
VOTECOUNT 1.14
121 - (RH9) - Wonders why everyone is townreading STD
122 - (RH9) - Says nobody is expressing suspicion of STD at all
123/124 - (RH9) - Says he has a new title and looks like a non-newbie
VOTECOUNT 1.15
125 - (RH9) - Asks my read on Titus
126 - (Me) - Says not scum
127 - (RH9) - Expresses approval and asks for my read on Firebringer and Datisi
128 - (RH9) - Answers his own question, Datisi is a town solver and Firebringer is scum pocketing him or town
129 - (RH9) - Says GL is town for keeping his vote where it is (our pairing) even though the HQ/Shiro wagon is bigger
130 - (Me) - Neither Fire/Datisi is scum but I'm more sure on Firebringer being town
VOTECOUNT 1.16

Dec 25
131 - (RH9) - Asks for cliff notes, he was out all day
132/133/134 - (RH9) - Says he skimmed through the game, he doesn't like that nobody else picked up that marcistar did the same thing noraa did as scum
135/136/137/138 - (RH9) - Quotes posts with zero links as evidence of his thoughts on whatever game that was, says his conclusion is that Marcistar is pocketing people to make them look like mafia
VOTECOUNT 1.17 (between 137/138)
139 - (Me) - Says essentially wtf are you talking about, my interpretation is that Norwe was considered suspicious because Marcistar couldn't pocket them correctly (my interpretation now is that I have no clue what the point RH9 was making was, as well as how I reached that interpretation in the first place)
140/141 - (RH9) - Clarifies that he townread Marcistar despite the latter trying to pocket him, asks if it's normal to have no scumreads without flips
142 - (Me) - Says it depends on who it is
143/144 - (RH9) - Clarifies what he means, gives examples on how he would scumread people off NKA but would nullread them before then, says he hopes Datisi won't be upset by his needing NKA
145/146 - (Me) - Says I'm ignoring the main thread, and that he has permission to out it if he's asked about it, but would rather it not just be blurted out
147/148 - (RH9) - Says he doesn't think anybody has seen it, says they're probably celebrating Christmas or Boxing Day anyways
149 - (Me) - Says it's been 2 days since posting content and don't really want to say more until after intermission
150 - (Me) - Says I might post to ask Andante a question
151/152 - (RH9) - Says I should post to avoid getting prodded since then everyone will know I'm not posting on purpose
153 - (Me) - Asks what the timer for prods even is in the first place
154 - (RH9) - 48 hours and says to ask for a V/LA
155/156/157 - (RH9) - Expresses a strong townread on Galron
VOTECOUNT 1.18
158/159 - (Me) - Updated reads, everyone is green except for Ydrasse (Hidden), STD/GL/Shiro (Null), and Andante (Scum), don't see any reason to assess anyone differently without flips
160/161 - (RH9) - Says he is pretending I'm not posting in PT either, asks if he shouldn't have welcomed me back in thread
162/163/164 - (Me) - Says it would be funny if nobody says anything to me after posting, says I can avoid prods untli the end of day with one more post in the main thread and that I don't like asking for V/LAs without reason
165/166 - (RH9) - Says he sounds like he's trying to affect who scum kills in intermission, and that it would be achievable by scum if they kill the Shiro/HQ pairing to make a few people look bad
167 - (Me) - Says that kill would be spicy af
168 - (Me) - Nothing interesting is happening in the main thread and I want to tune it out
169/170 - (RH9) - Asks how to respond to this without mentioning implosion, says he's having trouble responding without mentioning implosion
171 - (Me) - Asks why he wants to
172 - (Me) - Says that if RH9 is town and Andante is scum, we might die in intermission
173/174 - (RH9) - Quotes 171, says S_S might get jealous for being compared to implosion, he doesn't want that
175 - (Me) - Says it's not worth responding to then
176/177 - (RH9) - Expressing that he doesn't want to be forced to answer questions and that he's afraid of it
178 - (Me) - Tells him to just ignore HQ and not to engage with everything from her
179-185 - (RH9) - A lot of small posts about him talking about answering the question anyways

Dec 26:
186 - (RH9) - Another post about him talking about answering the question anyways
187/188 - (Me) - Asks if he's alright and he seems nervous
189/190/191/192 - (RH9) - He's nervous because his reaction test failed
193 - (Me) - Says RH9 is weird
194/195/196/197/198/199/200/201/202/203/204/205/206/207/208/209 - (RH9) - A lot more small posts about the S_S/Implosion thing, admitted he was talking about Implosion mainly and stuff about the reaction test
210 - (Me) - Says I like Taly's wallposts a lot
VOTECOUNT 1.19
211 - (Me) - Says I'm not townreading Firebringer as much as I'm insinuating
212/213 - (RH9) - Says he's going to ignore GL and that GL is desperate for us to die because he's clinging to his old PoE reads
214/215 - (RH9) - Says his vacation is starting and that he'll respond to GL/Dats when he can and tells me to say that should they ask
216 - (Me) - Says GL's reads aren't good if he's town, he has an agenda if Andante is scum

Dec 27:
VOTECOUNT 1.20
217/218 - (RH9) - Asks for a recap of the most important posts
219 - (Me) - Links Taly's wallpost of reads on every slot and says the rest is a waste of time
VOTECOUNT 1.21
220/221 - (Me) - Small posts venting about the town
VOTECOUNT 1.22
VOTECOUNT 1.23

Dec 28:
222 - (Me) - Wonders if I had two correct reads resulting in scumflips
FIREBRINGER AND ANDANTE FLIP
223 - (Me) - Laughing that I did
224 - (Me) - Calls out RH9 for not being a townread for me now or ever, specifically stating I'm saying it now because it can't affect the intermission kill anymore and that if he's town I think we might die anyways
225 - (RH9) - Says he hopes SS doesn't hold a grudge
226 - (RH9) - Asks if we should leave the dance
227 - (Me) - Says not right away
228/229 - (RH9) - Quotes #227, says he wants to do NKA first so he is fine with that unless we're killed in intermission
230 - (Me) - Says that would be hilarious

Dec 29:
231/232 - (RH9) - Says that we probably won't die unless GL is being framed, but doesn't know who would want to do that

Dec 30:
SAVE THE DRAGONS AND TITUS FLIP
233 - (Me) - Asks for all of RH9's reads
234/235 - (RH9) - He doesn't know, thinks Ydrasse is scum for surviving and doesn't know why GL is acting differently today if he's scum

Dec 31:
236/237/238/239/240/241 - (RH9) - Says HQ thinks he's scum with GL, reassures me he isn't and that GL is probably being pushed for being himself, asks me what I think about it
242 - (Me) - Says the game is one of two things so idk
243/244 - (RH9) - Asks when GL voted for STD/Titus pairing
245/246 - (RH9) - Says he used experience and memory interchangably when they aren't the same and that he looks strange for it
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Post Post #6706 (isolation #700) » Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm

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In post 6642, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
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VoteCount 2.5


Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Datisi - GuiltyLion [3] - Alyssa the Lamb, Taly, Galron
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [1] - Datisi
Galron - Something_Smart [0] -

Not Voting [4]
RH9, Ydrasse, GuiltyLion, Something_Smart,

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to execute
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Post Post #6715 (isolation #701) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:55 am

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In post 6714, Something_Smart wrote:Galron proposed to quite a lot of people... I think over half the ladies in total, though not concurrently.

If he is scum, this means that he didn't really have a plan. He showed an interest in endgaming when proposing to LLD, but he wasn't even particularly townread at that point. When he proposes to Harley though it's in order to solve her; this seems backwards to me (propose to someone THEN solve them) but I've never been a huge believer in sorting in hoods.

I guess if he's scum his plan was probably just "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks", try to get any pairing available and mix things up to distract from his partners, but that doesn't really track with how he played after the dance started.
how does this compare to how RH9 handled predance?
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Post Post #6726 (isolation #702) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:24 am

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Another vote on GL/Dats is one away from death
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Post Post #6727 (isolation #703) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:24 am

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Should I be worried that GL and Galron have both been gone for about two days?
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Post Post #6751 (isolation #704) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:42 am

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I kinda want to see if we can disprove a ydra/rh9 team and see if we can determine who is town from those two if we can

I think that might be the best way to just win outright
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Post Post #6752 (isolation #705) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:43 am

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In post 6750, Galron wrote:We have 4 1/2 days to solve the entire game, right?
Yes
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Post Post #6757 (isolation #706) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:46 am

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I kinda want to see ydra pt posting
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Post Post #6774 (isolation #707) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:50 am

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I'm really not sure if I can be confident on GL scum anymore
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Post Post #6794 (isolation #708) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:55 pm

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The part I'm iffy on is that it insinuates a townread on GL when his last posts indicating a read on him was a scumread
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Post Post #6798 (isolation #709) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:00 pm

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In post 6738, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
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VoteCount 2.6


Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Datisi - GuiltyLion [4] - Alyssa the Lamb, Taly, Galron, RH9
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Galron - Something_Smart [2] -Datisi, Ydrasse

Not Voting [2]
GuiltyLion, Something_Smart

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to execute
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Post Post #6799 (isolation #710) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:00 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #6820 (isolation #711) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:22 pm

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Taly so you think SS and Galron could be SvS?
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Post Post #6840 (isolation #712) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:21 pm

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Really? It did happen
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Post Post #6842 (isolation #713) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:23 pm

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Taly do you think that ydra and rh9 can be both scum?
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Post Post #6843 (isolation #714) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:23 pm

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I'm kinda swinging reads a lot
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Post Post #6851 (isolation #715) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:30 pm

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I'm less certain of it

Ngl I'm thinking that the scumteam might just have to be Galron/Ydrasse
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Post Post #6853 (isolation #716) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:30 pm

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We might be in 2 1v1s
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Post Post #6857 (isolation #717) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:33 pm

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Is that really something she can't fake if she's aware of it though
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Post Post #6859 (isolation #718) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:35 pm

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Like I think my predance stances were me at my best this game

And it just feels like that's right from recent stuff
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Post Post #6871 (isolation #719) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:41 pm

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Taly

Remember when I said that the norwe/Marci pairing was one of the most disprove suspicious pairings by context in the game?

Part of that reason was Ydrasse. She sniping you away from Norwe borderline forced that pairing to happen, and it was the most noteworthy exchange throughout all of the pairings

I can't get that fact by itself out of my head and it haunts me every time I want to call her town
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Post Post #6872 (isolation #720) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:42 pm

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Disruptive suspicious*
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Post Post #6881 (isolation #721) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:46 pm

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I'll just make a case when I have time

I'm at work for another two hours

But that exact team always kills Titus/STD and the push on that pairing EoFD makes a ton of sense with it too
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Post Post #6885 (isolation #722) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:58 pm

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It would have gave them away or they weren't around, one of the two

But Titus dying there would have instantly won the game if fire didn't leave when he did
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Post Post #6886 (isolation #723) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:01 pm

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They would have killed my pairing and the only TvT pairings left would be yours and Shiro/HQ with Andantes worst detractors all dead

Very hard for town to win from there
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Post Post #6888 (isolation #724) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:16 pm

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Letting Taly pair with a town player he is prone to townreading is more directly losing
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Post Post #6902 (isolation #725) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:15 pm

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Taly you get to affect 2/5 of your poe with ss/galron
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Post Post #6903 (isolation #726) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:16 pm

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I do think we just have 2 1v1s

I don't think that rh9 and ydra are SvS and I don't think I'm wrong for townreading 2 people outside of those two
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Post Post #6906 (isolation #727) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:24 pm

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Oh believe me I'm well aware I'll catch the Wrath of at least 4 people if I'm wrong
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Post Post #6907 (isolation #728) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:25 pm

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That's the fun part of being someone with BoP

If you hit lategame as town and get it wrong, it's your fault
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Post Post #6911 (isolation #729) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:27 pm

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VOTE: Galron
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Post Post #6912 (isolation #730) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:30 pm

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My heart wants me to follow my own judgment

I'll eat shit if I have to
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Post Post #6918 (isolation #731) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:34 pm

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I mean

We're taking a risk no matter what pairing we go for

It won't be much less hard to remove yours
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Post Post #6921 (isolation #732) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:35 pm

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If we hit a point where we just need to get flips, I'll vote dats/gl

But I think that is TvT most of the time
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Post Post #6924 (isolation #733) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:38 pm

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I don't know if we can reconcile that to agreement, taly
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Post Post #6926 (isolation #734) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:39 pm

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I mean I don't know if we can agree on which of ydra and rh9 is scum
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Post Post #6929 (isolation #735) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:43 pm

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My pairing and GL/Dats, but it changes based on next flip I think
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Post Post #6945 (isolation #736) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:01 pm

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In post 6875, Ydrasse wrote:how did i force it if we were the second pair

confusion
because norwe was considering the open proposal when one with you was already there

and you sniped it
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Post Post #6947 (isolation #737) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:27 pm

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My entire philosophy of how to play scum makes 6705 proof by itself
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Post Post #6948 (isolation #738) » Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:28 pm

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In post 6705, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:194/195/196/197/198/199/200/201/202/203/204/205/206/207/208/209 - (RH9) - A lot more small posts about the S_S/Implosion thing, admitted he was talking about Implosion mainly and stuff about the reaction test
This by itself is probably my favorite part
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Post Post #6978 (isolation #739) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:18 am

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if SS/Galron is TvT, then I'm going to be really upset
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Post Post #6981 (isolation #740) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:22 am

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Well

Everyone in the game is townreading their partner

That's pretty irrelevant at this stage
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Post Post #6984 (isolation #741) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:23 am

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And ydrasse flip doesn't say anything about anyone else's alignment

Only thing it would do is make me insist my pairing is the last one standing if she's scum
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Post Post #6986 (isolation #742) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:24 am

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I'm curious why you think Titus/STD were killed
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Post Post #6990 (isolation #743) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:26 am

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Ydra has also threatened to leave
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Post Post #6991 (isolation #744) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:26 am

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In post 6984, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:And ydrasse flip doesn't say anything about anyone else's alignment

Only thing it would do is make me insist my pairing is the last one standing if she's scum
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Post Post #6994 (isolation #745) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:28 am

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Because straight up fuck this game if she's town
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Post Post #6995 (isolation #746) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:28 am

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That means we have to determine which pairing is TvT in 3 pairings that otherwise are borderline impossible to sort
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Post Post #6998 (isolation #747) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:31 am

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In post 6995, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:That means we have to determine which pairing is TvT in 3 pairings that otherwise are borderline impossible to sort
And this meaning borderline everybody was just wrong about the game
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Post Post #7006 (isolation #748) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:47 am

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tbh I'm actually not 100% certain that the scumteam isn't Ydrasse/RH9

that's more a read of "if the scumteam is Ydrasse/RH9, nobody deserves a win, especially town"
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Post Post #7010 (isolation #749) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:58 am

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In post 7007, GuiltyLion wrote:
In post 7006, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:tbh I'm actually not 100% certain that the scumteam isn't Ydrasse/RH9

that's more a read of "if the scumteam is Ydrasse/RH9, nobody deserves a win, especially town"
Some of us were pushing RH9 predance...

But ftr I think he's town now. The summary of your PT actually helped a lot for me
yeah but we effectively spent most of the dance phases just pushing TvT pairings and bloating the thread up with almost only those in the case that was true

while the scumteam did... not really anything but exist
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Post Post #7014 (isolation #750) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:14 pm

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do you think it's worthwhile to keep this stalemate going Taly?
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Post Post #7017 (isolation #751) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:16 pm

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I guess it's not impossible SS/Galron is SvS

I've liked SS's posting a lot less this day phase than beforehand
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Post Post #7020 (isolation #752) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:18 pm

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might as well just do it
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Post Post #7021 (isolation #753) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:19 pm

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we'll see shortly whether we were correct to go off the beaten path or not
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Post Post #7024 (isolation #754) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:20 pm

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I'm braced
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Post Post #7026 (isolation #755) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:22 pm

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I can't even keep myself calm much less you too
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Post Post #7031 (isolation #756) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:28 pm

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I feel vindicated and dejected at the same time
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Post Post #7032 (isolation #757) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:29 pm

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I know I shouldn't since 5v1 realistically should be a wincon for town, but I still do anyways
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Post Post #7037 (isolation #758) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:31 pm

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I legit think it's just Ydrasse too atm
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Post Post #7040 (isolation #759) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:32 pm

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Galron you're dead
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Post Post #7043 (isolation #760) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:34 pm

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idk

I kinda don't want any pairing to leave yet
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Post Post #7048 (isolation #761) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:35 pm

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sigh
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Post Post #7049 (isolation #762) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:36 pm

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idk how anyone can possibly think I'm scum after effectively killing off two scum now when there were far easier ways to progress my wincon
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Post Post #7051 (isolation #763) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:38 pm

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actually, you know what?

Taly, which pairing would you feel the worst about losing to
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Post Post #7052 (isolation #764) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:38 pm

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or the best I mean
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Post Post #7061 (isolation #765) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:46 pm

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In post 1377, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I think that likely one of
marcistar
and RH9 is scum, considering that the two of them are the ones I most distinctly remember doing this potential posturing. I don't find it super likely that both are scum, but it is possible.
I don't think that both
marcistar
and
angielily
are scum, but I find it likely that one is.
I do still believe that
Firebringer
+
Andante
are TvT
I'm going to pretend that Ydrasse doesn't exist in a read sense since her alignment is effectively irrelevant until post-intermission assuming that pairing survives intermission.
I think that
Catboi
is likely town from this, but I'm not entirely sure since I could see a world where
Catboi
could have pivoted towards attempting to pocket me using the
Cabd
thing as a springboard. I admit I'm also really not sure how to take the trajectory towards looking to pair with me in the first place.
I still think Datisi is town.
Galron
I want to say is town, but I don't know enough about him to be able to assess how likely I am to read him accurately.
Save the Dragons
and
Malakittens
I have no true read on, but shot in the dark logic is that
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Post Post #7064 (isolation #766) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:48 pm

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alright

well

if I leave
right now
, what happens?
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Post Post #7066 (isolation #767) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:48 pm

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are you going to be able to correctly determine which is the scum between Ydrasse and Datisi?
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Post Post #7067 (isolation #768) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:48 pm

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because I think there's next to no odds that RH9 is scum this game
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Post Post #7068 (isolation #769) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:48 pm

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and I'm really not interested in fighting against the Ydrasse townread since that's basically a brick wall if it's even still up
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Post Post #7072 (isolation #770) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:50 pm

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because if Datisi is town, then he's going to be stuck on this paranoia for the rest of the game, which could be instantly game losing
if Ydrasse is scum, I see this endgame being just lost
if Datisi is scum, I'm actually more convinced that GL will see it and leave in a 4p, especially without my pairing being there to muddy the waters up more

and if it's just RH9, then my idea of being the last pairing is just gamelosing if I stay
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Post Post #7073 (isolation #771) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:51 pm

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I'll wait until GL is done at least
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Post Post #7074 (isolation #772) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:51 pm

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ngl I thought he would be doing it a bit later on

I'll respect the effort enough to at least wait though
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Post Post #7078 (isolation #773) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:55 pm

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the only real evidence I have against RH9 being town is that S_S was pushing my pairing to be an endgame pair at points, at least I remember that being the case

actually hold on, I need to check on something from S_S's posting before I respond any further to it
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Post Post #7081 (isolation #774) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:06 pm

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In post 6056, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
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In post 6062, Something_Smart wrote:Well, my pet theory is that the IC almost always dies if they're partnered with town.

Taly should give his thoughts on Ydrasse, of course, but I don't feel like that pair should be endgaming.
In post 6074, Something_Smart wrote:I do not think that having voted Andante makes anyone town when it was known that FB was going to leave.
In post 6076, Something_Smart wrote:It makes Shiro look better, for sure. But not "damned obvious".
In post 6183, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6181, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I think the endgame with both our pairings gone is very sketchy in general
Seems to me that this mostly comes down to whether Shiro is scum. If he is then we're going to have a real hard time killing him if you and Taly are both gone.
In post 6382, Something_Smart wrote:After Shiro/HQ my tentative flip order would be Taly/Ydrasse -> GL/Dats -> RH9/Alyssa, I guess.

But I'm definitely willing to listen to Taly and Alyssa, my reads this game have not been super strong or super good.
In post 6385, Something_Smart wrote:I'm not opposed to switching around the first two. I still feel like my pair is the best chance to endgame but if not then it would probably be RH9/Alyssa.
I have very strong doubts that S_S pairs himself and his partner like that, I strongly believe that the best plan here was to stick to the S_S/Galron endgaming plan while setting up his partner to endgame if he winds up dying first

If Ydrasse is scum, then my previous thoughts about why Titus/STD was killed still remains as true.
If Datisi is scum, then the scumteam were probably hoping that they would win the 1v1 against the Shiro/HQ hydra, with them losing that giving a much harder endgame; although it's not inherently impossible since they can reasonably expect that Taly and I would both not endgame there.
If RH9 is scum, then they can expect that whoever wins the 1v1 would be the next flip, and then they would have to hope that Taly can be convinced to leave Ydrasse, which I guess is a reasonable assumption

my other question is why S_S felt the need to go the path he did; I don't think there's very good odds that he was faking the stress he was expressing towards the end, so I think that he was legitimately feeling desperate
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Post Post #7082 (isolation #775) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:06 pm

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I think all I did was just convince myself that Datisi is town

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Post Post #7083 (isolation #776) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:06 pm

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SO BASICALLY I'M BACK TO IT'S JUST YDRASSE
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Post Post #7099 (isolation #777) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:22 pm

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does a Datisi/S_S team have any other better kills in intermission?

my only guess would be my pairing??? I'm not even confident on that one
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Post Post #7103 (isolation #778) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:27 pm

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atm I'm actually okay with that too
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Post Post #7104 (isolation #779) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:27 pm

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I still want to wait until GL is done though
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Post Post #7113 (isolation #780) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:56 pm

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is GL done?
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Post Post #7116 (isolation #781) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:21 pm

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once you simplify the game down like this, you don't need much to have a smoking gun
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Post Post #7117 (isolation #782) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:26 pm

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I've felt for a good chunk of the game that town just hasn't been really in the forefront of the game

now that I'm fairly sure that all the people who could be "deepwolf" active players are just town, it really just comes down to what player is playing the most like how the scumteam in general has been playing the game

Marcistar has been just sitting back and adding stuff, but not really anything that progresses anything
Andante has been in the background, not adding a whole lot, and started an arbitrary wagon when it became clear her time was short
S_S has been idly sheeping for most of the game and started panicking when we were turning on his wagon

I really don't think that the last scum would be doing more than that, really
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Post Post #7118 (isolation #783) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:27 pm

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and I think it's a lot less likely to be Datisi and RH9 since their play patterns don't entirely mesh like it

Ydrasse's does
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Post Post #7119 (isolation #784) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:29 pm

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and just like how Andante started throwing desperate plays out there, so did S_S

Andante strikes me as the type of player that would just go with whatever seems like it might work to save her own skin
S_S is much more calculating than that, I don't think he actually expected that we would turn from him onto Ydrasse at the point where he was arguing it the most intensely
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Post Post #7120 (isolation #785) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:34 pm

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btw I saw that RH9 had a recently completed scumgame and I skimmed through parts of it

he seemed way more content-centric in that game, which leads me to believe that he's the type of scum player that's really self-conscious about his appearance

if that's a correct assessment, that's borderline clearing for him this game since I don't have that impression from him at all, at least not from a gameplay sense

I'd really just go back to the PT summary for examples of that; if you really look, the conversation about his initial reads list just kind of ends very shortly after my thoughts are out there, I don't think he ever even answered me when I asked him what he's thinking regarding his reads now that he has my thoughts on them, and it's really incongruent with that type of playstyle
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Post Post #7121 (isolation #786) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:41 pm

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idk if the game makes any sense to me if Ydrasse flips town

at that point it's probably my curse of always having exactly one scum I can just never catch
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Post Post #7123 (isolation #787) » Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:48 pm

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Idr why I was scumreading ydrasse predance
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Post Post #7130 (isolation #788) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:53 am

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Where is my boy taly
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Post Post #7131 (isolation #789) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:54 am

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I still think it's better for him to designate the endgame pairing if we go with his leaving first

Ngl I really really really really do not want to have to deal with determining which read I'm wrong on if ydrasse is town
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Post Post #7134 (isolation #790) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:14 am

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Poke holes in my logic on the last page
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Post Post #7135 (isolation #791) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:27 am

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It hit me today that Andante flipping scum should have shot SS to the top of my scumreads

The fact that I've gotten this feeling twice within two games is really concerning for my ability to retain the right information

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Post Post #7137 (isolation #792) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:32 am

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Just thoughts on every remaining slot
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Post Post #7138 (isolation #793) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:32 am

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Really anything
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Post Post #7147 (isolation #794) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:40 pm

Post by Alyssa The Lamb »

In post 7143, Taly wrote:girl you makin me WERK
In post 7081, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:
In post 6056, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
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In post 6062, Something_Smart wrote:Well, my pet theory is that the IC almost always dies if they're partnered with town.

Taly should give his thoughts on Ydrasse, of course, but I don't feel like that pair should be endgaming.
In post 6074, Something_Smart wrote:I do not think that having voted Andante makes anyone town when it was known that FB was going to leave.
In post 6076, Something_Smart wrote:It makes Shiro look better, for sure. But not "damned obvious".
In post 6183, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 6181, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I think the endgame with both our pairings gone is very sketchy in general
Seems to me that this mostly comes down to whether Shiro is scum. If he is then we're going to have a real hard time killing him if you and Taly are both gone.
In post 6382, Something_Smart wrote:After Shiro/HQ my tentative flip order would be Taly/Ydrasse -> GL/Dats -> RH9/Alyssa, I guess.

But I'm definitely willing to listen to Taly and Alyssa, my reads this game have not been super strong or super good.
In post 6385, Something_Smart wrote:I'm not opposed to switching around the first two. I still feel like my pair is the best chance to endgame but if not then it would probably be RH9/Alyssa.
I have very strong doubts that S_S pairs himself and his partner like that, I strongly believe that the best plan here was to stick to the S_S/Galron endgaming plan while setting up his partner to endgame if he winds up dying first
I think this can be simplified to whether we think
SS
posits a partner endgame with him, IE, try to keep
RH9
-scum as long as possible. I keep double taking when I try to discern the motive. On one hand he needs his other scum to be as safe as possible, but if he was trying to endgame and it backfired so horribly in such a short of period of time, then it couldn't have been something
SS
or his partner played to.

Still, why does he go after
Ydra
so blatantly? Trying to pull another T/T down or - the much less likely successful route - bussing
Ydra
? I think looking at his momentum in
Ydra's
read congruent to the suspicion of him lies the motive.
He was content enough to sit in the background and let us control things up until the momentum started shifting to killing his pairing.

Gun to my head that means that our current course was game winning for him (which is reasonable), while he doesn't expect scum to endgame if he dies first
In post 7081, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:If Ydrasse is scum, then my previous thoughts about why Titus/STD was killed still remains as true.
Which ones, exactly?
Titus
NK was meant to throw town's scent off
Ydra
-scum?
My idea was that Galron/Ydrasse scumteam kills Titus/STD, lets the 1v1 between GL/Dats and Shiro/HQ go on until one is removed, and then use the momentum from that TvT flip to get the other ones. Then at that point they just shade RH9 enough to get me to leave the dance and they win.
In post 7081, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:If RH9 is scum, then they can expect that whoever wins the 1v1 would be the next flip, and then they would have to hope that Taly can be convinced to leave Ydrasse, which I guess is a reasonable assumption
How has
RH9
been in your PT?
He's been trying to engage more than I have

I've basically abandoned the PT at this point tbh
In post 7081, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:my other question is why S_S felt the need to go the path he did; I don't think there's very good odds that he was faking the stress he was expressing towards the end, so I think that he was legitimately feeling desperate
Suggests to me that whatever scum's plan was, they weren't going to win. So what was most likely the course of the game at that very snapshot of
SS'
stress?
I don't remember if there was any momentum towards killing that pairing before I pivoted onto my Galron/Ydrasse solve, but after that there definitely was.
In post 7083, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:SO BASICALLY I'M BACK TO IT'S JUST YDRASSE
and
RH9
?
Still not really likely imo
In post 7103, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:atm I'm actually okay with that too
temperature check, still OK with us both leaving here?
Currently yeah
In post 7104, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I still want to wait until GL is done though
do you think he could be deepwolfing atp?
if he is, he's just cherry picking things atm

I don't think the momentum of the game and how they've been acting as a duo really matches as scumpartners. If this was choreographed, it was really well done, but I simultaneously think that it would be very difficult to match emotional states and their general flow of the game together as well as they did as SvS and I think GL's overall trajectories in second dance have been town indicative
In post 7118, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:and I think it's a lot less likely to be Datisi and RH9 since their play patterns don't entirely mesh like it

Ydrasse's does
I agree with
Dat/Ydra
but what about
RH9
?
I don't get the impression that RH9 was being coached or warned about me in any way like I did Andante. I guess it's not really impossible, but I find it a bit unlikely
In post 7120, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:btw I saw that RH9 had a recently completed scumgame and I skimmed through parts of it

he seemed way more content-centric in that game, which leads me to believe that he's the type of scum player that's really self-conscious about his appearance

if that's a correct assessment, that's borderline clearing for him this game since I don't have that impression from him at all, at least not from a gameplay sense

I'd really just go back to the PT summary for examples of that; if you really look, the conversation about his initial reads list just kind of ends very shortly after my thoughts are out there, I don't think he ever even answered me when I asked him what he's thinking regarding his reads now that he has my thoughts on them, and it's really incongruent with that type of playstyle
He was very complacent with a no-scumread readslist, do you think that comes from town or scum more often in this type of game?
that entirely depends on personality

for his specifically (at least my read of it), I think that it's town indicative
In post 7123, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Idr why I was scumreading ydrasse predance
why were you?
I'm still trying to figure it out again, but I did find this quote during my search if it's interesting to anyone else
In post 179, Ydrasse wrote:okay i’m not in the right headspace to think right now but @taly what do you think about this, isis was the ic in the last game

Subject: Epilogue! - [Endgame]
Isis wrote:BTW among the setup abuse +EV things I want to do this game is that I want my dance partner to prod dodge in the game thread and play in the dance PT to wifom the NK
That didn't happen in wolf dance but I want it to happen.
My dance PT will be plenty fun on its own we will play chess and twenty questions and I will bring you crossword puzzles
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Post Post #7150 (isolation #795) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:48 pm

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Idk the more I try to think the less confident I get
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Post Post #7151 (isolation #796) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Post by Alyssa The Lamb »

If Ydrasse is town then I just missed or forgot something important

Realistically I should just be happy enough that 4/4 pairings I made the call on killing flipped the composition I was expecting it to but I guess I never got over the feeling like I have to carry the games where I get the flips I want

It might just be because the doubt that I'm town is there enough that I don't actually think we win if my pairing is TvT unless we win right here in 6p, although it's mostly coming from the slot that is most playing like they specifically want to be the endgame pairing (which traditionally means they're the scum)

Idk that fear is just there and idk if I'm comfortable pulling the trigger on this while that's still there
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Post Post #7171 (isolation #797) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:32 pm

Post by Alyssa The Lamb »

Is Taly here
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Post Post #7177 (isolation #798) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:57 pm

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I don't think Taly is here
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Post Post #7179 (isolation #799) » Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:58 pm

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alright I'm going to drop something

hold on
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