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Both ways have merit though

So if more prefer Titus’s way I am not for or against either way

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Although I would rather people claim the pair

Not the specific role

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I would also say consensus TRs last. So they can CC.

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actually scum probly know if there is a doc or not

Right and this should nail your Enchant theory if correct as Math has claimed a n3 vig or vengeful must exist.

Quite honestly I think StD is N3 vig and got called out and wants to do the kills.

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Actually, I changed my mind. I think it’s better for town that only non consensus slots claim today? Because consensus trs claiming would just help scum know where to shoot.

Everyone or no one to me

I was saying earlier your plan sucked

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why would we out the doc to nail enchant

Enchant to me isn’t likely scum even if a doc exists so *shrug*

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why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig

As I said I think if you’re scum you’re doing the kills

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why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig

As I said I think if you’re scum you’re doing the kills

Math he's not claiming the vig. Let it go.

So I agree with your scumread and now you’re telling me to let it go?

Like C’mon sis?

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why wouldn't i just claim N3 vig

idk if it was the case when you clarified for math but he said his pick was vengeful and he didn't get it
that means it's known to be someone else if it's not you, so faking it would be foolish

i think math is saying I am the N3 vig and not claiming it for ??? reasons unless i'm mistaken

I am saying both.

I know from being VT an N3 vig or vengeful exists.

If this pairing isn’t claimed then scum have it

Based on your pew pew pew posts it makes sense to be you.

But in the rare case you’re VT it still exists

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Std hasn’t said what they tried to get

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did you want my pairing? i thought that was later but i can give it now

No.

I thought that’s what you asked for

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did you want my pairing? i thought that was later but i can give it now

No.

I thought that’s what you asked for

No

1) Claim PR or VT bottom up
2) PRs claim categories top down (but I wouldn't object to consensus first)
3) VTs claim categories

I think I want to think about that after work

No reason to rush here and I don’t like that way.

I think bottom up both ways is better at minimum

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We should have nonconsensus slots claim and then PRs can cc them if they’re lying. I don’t see how that’s not the best outcome for town? Don’t put tprs in possible danger and only if nonconsensus trs lie, then cc.

Nah everyone or no one

Consensus list is no one atm.

Consensus would just be people who screamed the loudest

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We should have nonconsensus slots claim and then PRs can cc them if they’re lying. I don’t see how that’s not the best outcome for town? Don’t put tprs in possible danger and only if nonconsensus trs lie, then cc.

So what’s wrong with this idea then? It helps sort the nonconsensus trs but doesn’t put possible consensus tprs at risk. If scum can’t tell apart the consensus vts from the consensus tprs then in what world does this not make sense?

“Consensus” is not defined for starters

Ari is TR’d by all but Titus and maybe Gamma
I scumread Titus but am “working with” her

Some people SR me and some people TR me

Finding consensus town just puts a target on their back if right

Like ??

No nebulous terms all or none

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night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

I personally have no problem claiming but they’re are categories like the one with a possible doc in it for example that scum would likely shoot over any of the current high value claims.

If a consensus tr were to either claim doc or doc or rolecop pairing for example, why wouldn’t scum shoot them ovrr voyeur, jk or bp?

That’s why Ari is right about this and you both are wrong.

Then vote no one and we don’t mass claim

This half and half is sus as fuck

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yeah if we're massclaiming we should massclaim... if not we shouldn't. This is why I wanted to wait for more consensus. I guess trying to get any real consensus on anything at all in this town is like asking a giraffe to do algebra though

I don’t even understand why it’s necessary unless someone is lying and it doesn’t look like any pr claims aren’t legit.

That's precisely why we are massclaiming. The PR claims on the table means about half of the town is already claimed.

We get knowledge from if a doctor exists or doesn't.

Mechanics and votes are what I do. Please trust me.

I don’t.

I would rather be elimmed than follow your plan.

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another thing

if we lim enchant and he is scum ascetic cop then universal backup if it exists becomes ascetic cop and scum have no idea where ub is

I do not want Enchant today. I don’t scumread Enchant

I wish enchant would do things

But I don’t think Enchant is scum

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yeah if we're massclaiming we should massclaim... if not we shouldn't. This is why I wanted to wait for more consensus. I guess trying to get any real consensus on anything at all in this town is like asking a giraffe to do algebra though

I don’t even understand why it’s necessary unless someone is lying and it doesn’t look like any pr claims aren’t legit.

That's precisely why we are massclaiming. The PR claims on the table means about half of the town is already claimed.

We get knowledge from if a doctor exists or doesn't.

Mechanics and votes are what I do. Please trust me.

I don’t.

I would rather be elimmed than follow your plan.

I still don’t understand why you think my plan is suss but I don’t care enough to argue with you about it.

It’s a common scum ploy I can’t go into detail at work but mass claims are always all or none

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Hey and I still think you’re scum.

What’s new?

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Define “consensus” or I don’t give a fuck and am against

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Maybe it's hypocritical since I already claimed but I don't really see the need for massclaim here, we out our remaining PRs without much direct benefit seemingly

I also wonder that unless someone picked a really scummy pr then does it necessarily tell us anything about their alignment especially if we go in order?

If someone claimed something suspicious and no bp doesn’t qualify, why wouldn’t they just claim vt right?

They could but then if a VT comes along that says that category they could be busted

That’s why I could see it working but I think how Titus is pushing for it so much makes me not want it

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Where intel that i am vengeful fakeclaiming comed from?

it's a wild theory by math based on him picking that and not getting it

Bell no I think Enchant is town BP it’s Titus’s

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I think atp we should just cut the massclaim now and avoid any further damage if it's this contentious

I agree let’s cut the mass claim and just not do it

Too many people have their own ideas

Scum couldn’t even get a kill with PRs hidden

So let them try again

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I think atp we should just cut the massclaim now and avoid any further damage if it's this contentious

I think I'm with you on this, and I think Math is the way to go today

Do you think I am scum or the way to go or both?

What are your reads?

You’ve been pretty quiet.

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I think atp we should just cut the massclaim now and avoid any further damage if it's this contentious

I think I'm with you on this, and I think Math is the way to go today

Do you think I am scum or the way to go or both?

What are your reads?

You’ve been pretty quiet.

I think it's the combination of likelihood of Ausuka-JK blocking the kill and your play, and I have a hard time seeing myself go somewhere else today.

I also don't see why I would share my reads at this point.

That’s why I said I was a good elim before.

I know I am town though.

I am asking you to take a stand on me and other players.

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*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.

Like I don't know what to do with you.

I am a fuckin VT

We don’t “mass claim” to save me

If you believe I am town you argue it

We don’t chop off the right arm to save a toenail.

I don’t think you’re town because almost everything from the word go has been terrible to me

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You shoulda just made me Pi not MathBlade and in font size Pi.

Then your read would be tiny, go on forever, and just be irrational

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*eyeroll* Math, I try to save you if you're town and you literally object because it's me proposing it.

Like I don't know what to do with you.

I am a fuckin VT

We don’t “mass claim” to save me

If you believe I am town you argue it

We don’t chop off the right arm to save a toenail.

I don’t think you’re town because almost everything from the word go has been terrible to me

I'd do almost anything to break a game my way but if you'd rather fall on the sword and get out of the way so I can do it tomorrow, be my guest.

Your way looks like TPR mass claim when we have the PR advantage as scum couldn’t kill.

My flip pretty much proves Enchant town which means a likely win unless there is a doc claim out there.

So far as I am concerned I wish Enchant would play but unkillable conf town barring CC seems pretty good to me

Way more than any setup spec can provide

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Your way seems like a bunch of bullshit and I tried being supportive but it just looks bad.

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Mainly I think if we can confirm me town (by elimming me)

I think that gives us the best chance to win.

Then Enchant was shot (which matches where Ari thinks the kill should have gone) or a doc saved someone or scum no kill

Very narrow worlds.

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The alternative is just accept I am town and scum probably shot Enchant.

If you townread me and TR Enchant the rest literally doesn’t matter as then scum likely can’t win

If you can’t do that you should elim me so you have a hard TR on Enchant pending a doc claim and flip.

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Technically, Math, it's possible you targeted Enchant and got double blocked by BP

and

JK.

That’s why I am saying if you don’t trust me flip me.

Then Enchant becomes confirmed town until and unless a doctor flips green.

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That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

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eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless

create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup

and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win

Nope

We have a role that can check Enchant for Ascetic.

Then enchant scum have to shoot Roden to avoid being outed but doc if it exists protects Roden

So win win.

Then only way that fails is scum PRs which narrows scum PoE

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I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech

He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.

There is no guarantee of that.

If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before

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That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor

why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue

Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.

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if you check Enchant and he's not ascetic that still doesn't mean he isn't scum bulletproof

Then if no doctor and no BP where is the missing kill when I flip town?

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That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim

And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.

we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor

why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue

Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.

Nah, I don’t assume something exists without evidence.

You said scum always shoot Enchant here. Enchant BP is the simplest answer

your mech is just wrong sorry

we assume a doctor exists period

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Then if that doctor flips and flips green
OR Enchant is ascetic
Then Enchant is elimmable

Not before

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This forces scum Ausaka to waste their JK on Roden to fake it.

So if Roden gets ascetic he knows scum in Asuaka or Enchant

If Roden doesn’t then Enchant is not ascetic and very likely bulletproof conf town.

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if you lim him and he flips town bulletproof maybe we get a UB become bulletproof and soak up another nightkill

Bulletproof is limitless shots.

It doesn’t say 1 shot BP

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bulletproof is literally useless

scum win at parity

enchant will

never

clear himself

do you mean it's useless as in "if enchant is town, bp did nothing for us because of parity"? Because the setup starts in evens. Or do you mean it's useless at this point now that we're in odds?

Scum are never going to shoot Town Enchant who is bulletproof

so what is the utility of a Bulletproof Town EnchanT?

nothing

Everything.

That means town enchant doesn’t get shot

Then we just need one other conf town to elo and we win assuming we get one more scum.

It’s a huge advantage

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I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech

He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.

There is no guarantee of that.

If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before

this is why I SR Ari
her argument that there must be a doc/rb are basically forced to happen because it's the only way her reads track at all

Yep which essentially means either A she’s screamed she’s doctor so loud scum shoot her or B she’s scum

I don’t really see any other option.

So if she is Doctor she needs to out her heal

And if not then Enchant is confirmed town with (or before) my flip and shut up about it

Let Roden check to remove ascetic doubts.

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We’re not assuming optimal plays

Enchant claimed BP

By definition not ascetic

Scum shot Enchant theory being tested.

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I am Bulletproof.

Bruh.

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if you let people get away with plays that favor scum

they will always do them when they are scum

forcing scum to play in a protown fashion is basic strategy

This doesn’t favor scum though.

If there wasn’t a missing kill this would be an entirely different conversation.

But there is.

And if I as a VT die to provide unkillable conf town

You bet your butt I take it

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it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this

scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblocked
there's scum utility in picking that as well

Enchant gets guiltied by anything this game he doesn’t get a result on because he claimed BP in a protown manner

I am 100% okay forcing scum to waste their shot on Roden for a 50/50 if Enchant is scum.

I don’t think he is though.

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no it means if someone does something obviously pro-scum

you

KILL THEM

like if someone quickhammers a town doctor on d1 without giving them a chance to claim

you

KILL THEM

you don't go "hey this person quickhammers all the time so let's just tolerate it"

VOTE: Ari

Okay my vote is you kill you tomorrow if Enchant is conf town tonight

And flip me today to prove Enchant conf

Since you’re being pro scum we kill you

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it is so so so so so scumsiding to pick bulletproof instead of ascetic i cant believe you guys are seriously considering letting Enchant get away with this

scum ascetic cop can't get guiltied by tracker, can't get roleblocked
there's scum utility in picking that as well

Pick #1 going for Bulletproof over Ascetic Cop is terrible town play and should be treated as a scum claim.

You are literally denying the town a cop for to soak maybe one nightkill if you can get townread[WHICH HE DIDNT EVEN TRY TO DO SO WHAT ARE WE ARGUING ABOUT]

he literally entered today trying to pretend he was an ascetic cop and softing an inno on MB and then changed his mind when MB was a viable elimination.

How much more blatant of a mafia-play do you need here??

Nope I don’t treat it as a scum claim people act differently

If Enchant is Ascetic Roden will see it
Doc on Roden if it exists

Problem solved.

Denying town cop for an unlimmable conf town is a fair trade imho

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I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

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Doc on Roden means we lose the JK

Then we do.

But in the process we gain a scum or town conf.

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I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

you being vanilla town doesn't mean Enchant is BP town

It does because of the missing kill

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I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

you being vanilla town doesn't mean Enchant is BP town

It does because of the missing kill

not true there is probably a doctor

Then said doc would be on Roden if it exists. If doc goes rogue then another no kill happens possibly

But if Roden dies I am going to think doc doesn’t exist

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I tolerated your defense of HEM but this defense of Enchant too is just more scum siding lol

Then vote me.

Confirm Enchant as BP town

Lock town unelimmable I am fine with that

you being vanilla town doesn't mean Enchant is BP town

It does because of the missing kill

not true there is probably a doctor

Then said doc would be on Roden if it exists. If doc goes rogue then another no kill happens possibly

But if Roden dies I am going to think doc doesn’t exist

so we lim you - you flip vanilla town

so doc protects roden

roden checks enchant finds he is not ascetic so possibly scum bulletproof

ausuka dies at night

ok what now

Town BP.

Not scum BP.

There was no kill.

So ergo Enchant is conf town and can be reevaluated at elo but not before

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not true there is probably a doctor

unless you're doctor you have no way of knowing this as town, and if you are doctor what the fuck are lecturing me for softing not-doc/rb when you're basically doing the same?

oh you mean i can't have picked doctor/roleblocker and not gotten it?

Then you’d have outed as VT immediately and Enchant = scum and taken him out.

But you’re instead arguing he’s scum BP versus town.

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No I'm doctor
VOTE: Enchant

If you’re a doc you’d be voting Ari who hard claimed doc

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I kind of think in retrospect that playing today in such a way, with like, Ausuka claiming, was a mistake. There's so many roles in this setup that can interfere with kills in principle, trying to get unambiguous info feels like a nightmare.

Nope it’s a great play.

We end up with a conf town and know scum shot in Enchant or HQ

If Ari is town doctor who dies then Enchant can be pushed not before.

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if dwlee is serious we eject Ari post-haste, then Math next because this whole thing has clearly been a cover to protect her scum partner.

Lol I have been begging to be elimmed for like ever

If Ari flips scum I am like conf town and scum shot enchant but yeah we will have elims for days at that point

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if dwlee is serious we eject Ari post-haste, then Math next because this whole thing has clearly been a cover to protect her scum partner.

Yeah it’s a matter of if they are serious

It’s going to be hilarious if Dwlee is one scum and Ari was the other and Titus and I were both bickering because we couldn’t get our way

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I kind of think in retrospect that playing today in such a way, with like, Ausuka claiming, was a mistake. There's so many roles in this setup that can interfere with kills in principle, trying to get unambiguous info feels like a nightmare.

Nope it’s a great play.

We end up with a conf town and know scum shot in Enchant or HQ

If Ari is town doctor who dies then Enchant can be pushed not before.

do you know what conf means

Confirmed yes.

When I am flipped I am proven not killer.

No scum in their smart plays shoots me

This means HQ or Enchant were shot

If Ari town doctor dies HQ is conf town

If Roden dies Ari is sus as fuck

If someone else dies they get look PRs stuck around!

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It’s going to be hilarious if Dwlee is one scum and Ari was the other and Titus and I were both bickering because we couldn’t get our way

i cannot easily express how silly of an idea this scumteam is

fixed

Then let’s see whether Dwlee rescinds or not

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If Ari town doctor dies HQ is conf town

or HQ could be scum who shot enchant.... not that i think that's the case.

It narrows down the worlds so infinestimally small here.

The point is tonight after my flip the remaining words are so fucking small the absolute right play is to elim me like was wanted D1

I flip VT

Then Roden should get a result on Enchant

And move forward

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i do not care if dwlee doesn't rescind, they're clearly either an actual doctor who thinks ari is town and is doing this so their claim will be plausible later or they're trying to give ari cover. there's no good reason to care about it right now tbh.

So you and Ari or you and Dwlee

Cool

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yes i bussed hem on d1 so i could claim doctor on d2 and never endgame

genius

You expected Enchant to die

When he didn’t youre fucked.

You know this is the right play and everyone you TR is telling you do

Gamma you TR and me you TR and Titus you TR

So you can either listen tonight tomorrow or end up policy if you’re not dead.

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I will be dead so it doesn’t matter but quite frankly you read like pissed scum that Enchant should be dead.

So fucking elim me already.

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I will be dead so it doesn’t matter but quite frankly you read like pissed scum that Enchant should be dead.

So fucking elim me already.

i am trying to eliminate scum

pls stop defending scum from me

My elim outs scum.

If I have to I will fake claim scum to get elimmed as that is pro win con

Talk all you want but I will be elimmed

Roden will be able to check Enchant to see if Ascetic and if he is we policy in A or Enchant or Roden

And if Roden gets not Ascetic then scum shot Enchant or HQ

Then if you want to argue scum shot HQ over enchant you have to argue against the very policies you said scum would do.

This is the best plan for town and it has been crystal damn clear

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It means scum shot Enchant or scum shot HQ

99x -100 they’re shooting the cop there

Your own arguments say so

Now fucking flip me

I am a useless VT that no one should give two shits about.

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VOTE: MathBlade

Although in spirit I am on Ari

Let’s go fucking flip me already

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also like if Enchant is Ascetic Scum Cop

it's better for us to elim him now than elim you and then elim him

If Enchant is scum ascetic cop Roden outs them with his check

Try again

Fucking flip me

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VOTE: MathBlade

Although in spirit I am on Ari

Let’s go fucking flip me already

I think you're angry at me because you want to be right and you think I'm not listening to you.

I am listening to you, you just happen to be wrong about how mechs work in this game.

Sure Gamma Titus and I are all wrong /sarcasm

Then flip me so you only have to deal with Titus and Gamma tomorrow

Bulletproof IC > IC

You’re in a fucking double claim with Dwlee and don’t vote them.

C’mon Ari you’re scum or just so completely tilted it’s ridiculous

Flip me

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UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

Oh no my vote is on her in spirit

It literally doesn’t matter what you think my alignment is I am going to fucking die

We are fucking flipping me then when I flip you know I am spitting fire

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like if you actually calmed down and think about what's gone on in this game

you would realize I am always town here.

You're just mad at me right now because I am blocking your plan.

I am not blocking your plan because I don't respect you as a person or a player

I am blocking your plan because I want to kill Enchant and I think he's mafia.

I reallly really really doubt that YOU are mafia.

I don't want to kill townspeople

I want to kill Mafia.

And I want to kill mafia as well

And to do so I need to die

So let’s go!!!

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UNVOTE:
deja vu is setting in and I feel weird about having my vote on Ari rn
how many votes is math at rn, because if he's scum and this deja vu is on point Ari would actually be town here

Oh no my vote is on her in spirit

It literally doesn’t matter what you think my alignment is I am going to fucking die

We are fucking flipping me then when I flip you know I am spitting fire

just because you are town doesn't mean you are right

for example like all of yesterday when you were screaming at me that HEM was town because there's no way HEM!scum gets wagoned

Gamma Titus and I are all wrong and you’re the Queen /s

Ffs you’re just wrong

Elim me already

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And I want to kill mafia as well

well you shouldn't vote for yourself if you want to kill mafia

you should know that you are not mafia

Correct

But not voting myself is shortsighted

Everyone knowing I am town helps more than me living

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I don't think I've ever claimed to be "the Queen"

I think you're just upset at me because my plan is different from yours and I adamantly believe it is better.

Is this what I sound like because goddamn everyone told you you’re wrong except your pet scumread enchant

Either your wrong or your reads are and the answer to both is elim me

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Pet scumread implosion*

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And I want to kill mafia as well

well you shouldn't vote for yourself if you want to kill mafia

you should know that you are not mafia

Correct

But not voting myself is shortsighted

Everyone knowing I am town helps more than me living

I think you should unvote and take a breather.

Things are too heated right now and we have plenty of time.

You can hate me as much as you want but I will always be good to you <3

I don’t hate you but quite frankly keeping me around as a miselim for later is just asking for trouble

We elim me today

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I don't think I've ever claimed to be "the Queen"

I think you're just upset at me because my plan is different from yours and I adamantly believe it is better.

Is this what I sound like because goddamn everyone told you you’re wrong except your pet scumread enchant

Either your wrong or your reads are and the answer to both is elim me

I'm townreading you

Why would I eliminate you?

How does eliminating you prove anything about my reads?

Quite simply it doesn’t

If you’re town you die at night
JK doesn’t block you here because then Roden would die
If Roden dies you’d be elimmed anyway

The simple answer is your night death or lack thereof shows where we should consider

There’s no way in hell we are elimming Enchant and the whole game has told you so

You’re better off making a case that can be followed when you’re dead and voting me

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like unless you're flipping mafia it literally doesn't disprove my reads?

It does though.
I am town but the only person agreeing with you is implosion

No one else is.

You’re CCd and won’t elim the top mech candidate for scum

When I am trying to get elimmed.

Like I am stepping away for a few hours but I hope I am fucking dead later

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i really dont understand what your goal is

Prove I am not scum

Therefore Enchant very likely shot

Therefore VT for BPIC =win

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I am not actually CC'd

Dwlee is joking

you're so mad at me you can't even understand a simple joke

I don’t believe they are.

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And jokes on you

I don’t understand jokes even when I am an emotionless robot.

[MathBlade]

Like let's map out what happens if we go with your plan.


(1) we lim you , you flip vanilla town
(2) mafia shoot me
(3) I protect Roden
(4) Roden confirms Enchant is not Ascetic.

Tomm:

Math flipped VT
I flipped Doctor

Enchant is some kind of bulletproof, maybe town, maybe scum.

Um how are we better off?

Scum shot enchant based on your own theories

Enchant conf town IC BP

[MathBlade]

Aristeia is so obviously town it hurts

Any "misplaced confidence" claims are also hilarious because Aristeia is one of the only people I see that is consistently right when she thinks she is right

Then you’re scum CCing her

Either she is doctor or you are

There can’t be two.

Ari is not obviously town

I would say that at the start

But the fact she won’t remove a dead weight idiot like me who was clearly blocked and clearly scum means she is scum or “confidently incorrect” here

[MathBlade]

The clearly scum is sarcastic to be clear

[MathBlade]

versus my plan

(1) We flip Enchant, He Flips Scum Bulletproof
(2) Ausuka jailkeeps someone, I protect Ausuka
(3) we wake up tomm with a Ausuka inno and me dead.

Your plan sucks

We elim unkillable town.

Pedit: don’t worry I am calling me the idiot

[MathBlade]

versus my plan

(1) We flip Enchant, He Flips Scum Bulletproof
(2) Ausuka jailkeeps someone, I protect Ausuka
(3) we wake up tomm with a Ausuka inno and me dead.

Your plan sucks

We elim unkillable town.

Pedit: don’t worry I am calling me the idiot

ok explain to me why Enchant has to be town

Because there is no kill and that’s where you said scum had to shoot and I am not scum

So either A) you were incorrect in your theories earlier
Or B) Enchant is town

Since A is unlikely B it is

[MathBlade]

VOTE: mathblade
thinking this is radio buzz v2 (2 scum wagoned D1, weird shit with a doctor CC where presumably both slots involved are town)

Thank you for your service in killing me

I don’t know what radio buzz is but sure

Buzzz buzzz buzzz buzzz

[MathBlade]

you are one fucking enchant vote away from being hammered just pls unvote

Cool I will be glad to die for the service of town.

[MathBlade]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

???
who else did math hard defend D1?

Good question.

UNVOTE:

Unvoting just for that

[MathBlade]

if math isn't scum I have a strong feeling it's you Ari because of your attempts to eliminate enchant today
so I will not be unvoting rn

I am only unvoting for Dwlee’s answer
Pedit: so I can be a viable miselim or explanation later

I have to die

[MathBlade]

you literally dont have to die

Yes I fucking do

[MathBlade]

Can we massclaim now?

No we can elim me

If I am not dead soonish I will just make some believable scum claim

Then people will vote me

[MathBlade]

It’s a matter of when we want to end the day with my flip

[MathBlade]

mathblade you do know everyone else also deserves a chance to play the game right?

can you just let people talk for a bit?

I did

Gamma and Titus came up with a plan

It is a great plan

Let’s do it

[MathBlade]

A) my plan proves enchant town as they almost always get shot over HQ every time
Conf town enchant better than killable inno

And that is IF I buy enchant scum which I don’t

You’re assuming scum chant

If enchant is town then we are forced to miselim me tomorrow and if you’re town you’re dead

I am starting from the facts of no kill
And leading to the conclusion enchant town which was shot

You’re starting from enchant scum and maybe getting us an inno.

No

You’re starting from what you want versus the facts

That’s why gamma’s plan is better

[MathBlade]

Ari, your plan supposes you are right.

I will follow along with your plan after massclaim unless massclaim nets us a scum.

Or we can listen to gamma

If it is me + enchant you elim me to flip enchant

If it is me + anyone else you elim me as I am good scum

We don’t have a need to mass fucking claim today

There is ZERO reason for that

[MathBlade]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

Or maybe I am incorporating that into my scum game

I hate town tells with a passion

Elim me

You know you want to

I am so annoying I have to be scum

[MathBlade]

Math is locktown, he would never self-vote as scum unless he was being run up and there was no hope. This is 100% obvtown!Math. Anti-survivalism is his #1 towntell.

Everyone unvote Math.

I will vote him for sanity. Don't get me wrong, I suspect he is town but he will not let us play the game.

There's a point of being insistent on your reads but it can't come at the expense of everyone else playing the game.

Ari didn't want to out the doctor until she saw she wasn't getting her way on Enchant.

Math fought to survive until he saw the people he wanted limmed weren't going to be limmed.

Gamma is the only one trying to work with people here.

Everyone else wants choices made without complete information.

I did

You all suggested to elim me

Now that I am helping you and giving you what you wanted now I am “not letting you play the game”?

No.

That is bullshit

I cannot be left alive for scum later

[MathBlade]

I'm perfectly down to have a mechanics discussion after we force scum to put their cards on the table.

Do it after I am dead

There is no reason to do it when scum can’t kill anyone

[MathBlade]

Fine I claim scum ninja strongman with 2000 shots that requires activation and I didn’t on n1 because I had to do the kill instead. Elim me.

[MathBlade]

That keeps the rest of the PRs hidden for D3 right?

[MathBlade]

Exactly just elim me.

Stop dropping pants and catch people when they claim normally.

Look I was blocked and no kill so I am scum

C’mon it’s so simple? Occam’s razor says I am scum

[MathBlade]

The only way I stop pushing myself is if Enchant is off the table

If he’s a candidate today I keep going

If you promise not to elim Enchant I will continue to try to be elimmed

[MathBlade]

Fine I claim scum ninja strongman with 2000 shots that requires activation and I didn’t on n1 because I had to do the kill instead. Elim me.

That role doesn’t even exist in this game.

Shush you and your pesky facts.

[MathBlade]

The only way I stop pushing myself is if Enchant is off the table

If he’s a candidate today I keep going

If you promise not to elim Enchant I will not continue to try to be elimmed

Ebwop

[MathBlade]

The way I figure is
A) you elim me conf town enchant lives another day
B) you don’t elim me and don’t elim enchant protown
Or C) you don’t elim me and elim enchant who flips town and Ari was desperate scum we get a scum
Or D) you don’t elim me and elim enchant who flips scum and I get elimmed for defending two scum which is protown as you learn scum shot HQ

So win win.

Don’t elim enchant

[MathBlade]

The absolute best world is elimming me even though I am town

[MathBlade]

I am starting to feel like MathBlade is town but if we don't flip third scum D3 it is going to be extraordinarily hard for me to not want to lim him for hard defending both scum

???
who else did math hard defend D1?

I didn't say D1.

HEM now Enchant

Then vote me
What’s your problem?

[MathBlade]

Is anyone okay with enchant endgaming? I don't understand why we had to out a bajillion roles for this and why people want MORE claims

I am

He can be solved in elo

[MathBlade]

It’s simple.

If town doesn’t kill Enchant
Scum cannot kill Enchant

He de facto gets into elo

Where he can be judged like anyone else

[MathBlade]

if you haven't solved enchant's alignment right now you have no business trying to hard shield him by killing yourself

I do.

Because mechanically I believe he is town

If town wants to get rid of unkillable town I am a better substitute.

[MathBlade]

why are we trying to get to elo instead of trying to win the game

I am trying to win the game by proving Enchant town

[MathBlade]

like if enchant is town and town doesn't vote enchant out, there's no gurantee he gets to elo because we can always kill two mafia.

the only way enchant is guranteed to go to elo if town doesn't vote out enchant is if he's mafia.

Uhm no? We could just have bad scumreads


And that’s already been beat a dead horse

Scum shot in HQ or Enchant

Odds are scum shot Enchant by your own theories.

[MathBlade]

Like literally, I can plan out this game if we give me the tools to do so rather than yelling when people have made up their minds.

Your plans tend to have to world crumble and lose

If you wanna sell it after I am dead or agree not to elim Enchant go ahead

But if you’re going to make the mistake of mass claim when I think you have signaled what your role is then sigh whatever.

Just don’t double down on mistakes

[MathBlade]

why are we trying to get to elo instead of trying to win the game

I am trying to win the game by proving Enchant town

You don't do that when you can't talk.
People are dug in and don't want to do it anyway.

Can you please stop imploding and shut up?

As I said only if we aren’t elimming Enchant

Otherwise elimming me is the lesser of two evils

[MathBlade]

vote count 2.05

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-06-21 15:30:00).

yeet

MathBlade [4]:

Ausuka, Save The Dragons, Roden, Wallflower

Enchant [1]:

Aristeia

Aristeia [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Save The Dragons [1]:

MathBlade

not voting [6]:

implosion, Harley Quinn, Enchant, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Titus

mod notes

~ dual mod iso.
~ this is mod note.

flavour

Need 7 to say no to enchant

[MathBlade]

why chicken out of fake cop claim if so? At the first sign of people thinking that was the case he declined it

He can't endgame

If he is scum he can’t end game either way
If I am scum I can’t endgame either way

Like c’mon mixter

[MathBlade]

first we finish massclaim
then I'd like to eliminate math to confirm/deny radio buzz v2 but would accept implosion/wallflower assuming neither claims PR

Like why not just do it now?

[MathBlade]

if enchant claims ascetic cop

it looks very shady if he lives to d3/4 because why is scum letting him live

and also he has to keep giving us inno results

if enchant claims bulletproof

its not surprising at all when he lives during the night

and he doesnt have to give us shit

You’re pushing this way too hard to be town

You’re contradicting yourself earlier

The loss is too damn big for town enchant

I will do anything and everything to stop you

If you want enchant you vote me

[MathBlade]

If Asuaka blocks Roden scum in enchant/Roden/A and we solve accordingly

That’s too much of a risk for scum

[MathBlade]

if enchant claims ascetic cop

it looks very shady if he lives to d3/4 because why is scum letting him live

and also he has to keep giving us inno results

if enchant claims bulletproof

its not surprising at all when he lives during the night

and he doesnt have to give us shit

You’re pushing this way too hard to be town

You’re contradicting yourself earlier

The loss is too damn big for town enchant

I will do anything and everything to stop you

If you want enchant you vote me

Math, you're contributing to an unfun environment. Somethings are worth more than winning.

You think I am having fun stopping a game throw?

No.

This is literally the only thing I can do

[MathBlade]

It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.

[MathBlade]

You think I am having fun stopping a game throw?

No.

This is literally the only thing I can do

Or you can have fun....

Yes having fun would require a group promise not to elim enchant

Or having fun would be against wincon

[MathBlade]

Why is that too much risk?

And also enchant can be scum bulletproof so it's not even possible to confirm him town

Unkillable town vs VT

Kill the VT everytime

I know I didn’t do the kill

Therefore scum shot Enchant (I don’t buy they shot HQ)

So then hooray unkillable town

I will go to the ends of the earth to defend him

[MathBlade]

It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.

Lol okay bye

Have fun generating 700 more posts while I lay in bed not looking at this mess of a game

Nice dodge because you can’t have unkillable town

[MathBlade]

Why is that too much risk?

And also enchant can be scum bulletproof so it's not even possible to confirm him town

Unkillable town vs VT

Kill the VT everytime

I know I didn’t do the kill

Therefore scum shot Enchant (I don’t buy they shot HQ)

So then hooray unkillable town

I will go to the ends of the earth to defend him

so prove to me scum shot enchant

how do you know this?

Because you said they’d have to

[MathBlade]

It’s a very simple explanation only scum Ari and scum Dwlee don’t fucking get.

Math, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them scum.

You’re right

They’re scum because you caught them on D1

And Ari is desperate

[MathBlade]

Ari Math stop it PLEASE! You aren't convincing each other and demotivating everyone else.

I can’t convince scum Ari

And town Ari if she is here doesn’t want to consider town enchant

I cannot convince anyone

So just elim me

[MathBlade]

what i said was

Enchant should've picked Ascetic Cop.

So if Enchant is town, scum will shoot him and he will be dead so we can use the scum nightkill to sort him.

If Enchant is scum, then scum don't shoot him and he will be alive and we will know he's scum because scum didn't shoot him. We can let him get some inno results and then lim him, either we kill scum!enchant or we kill town!enchant and get some inno results.

NONE OF THIS APPLIES IF ENCHANT IS CLAIMING BULLETPROOF

Scum don’t shoot based on what town enchant is or isnt.

I will not go for and will do anything I can to stop enchant

If you’re elimming me no matter what mass claim tomorrow

And if you’re not elimming me today stop threatening it

[MathBlade]

i've literally never threatened to elim you

That part was to Gamma

[MathBlade]

Math, what is your towblock that you're absolutely going to spam down?

What gets Enchant not elimmed faster? Answering or not answering?

[MathBlade]

Cool then I say myself

There I added a person

Get a commitment to not elim enchant I add another

[MathBlade]

and honestly enchant is not very useful even if he is town

enchant!town is useful in that he cannot be killed except for getting voted off

This

[MathBlade]

Cool then I say myself

There I added a person

Get a commitment to not elim enchant I add another

actually add enchant first

Fair myself and Enchant

But still add another person not to elim Enchant I add another to my town block

Pedit I would be wrong by definition if Enchant flips mafia

My play is still the right choice though even if I am wrong as he can be sorted later. Like Enchant scum requires HQ town so Enchant doesn’t spew here and doesn’t protect me

There’s just so many ways Enchant isn’t scum here

[MathBlade]

Since I can’t explain why HEM is town I will use scum’s selfish desires in order to prove it.

remember this?

Yes I believed HeM town then came around

Here I have mech info that Enchsnt was shot because I was jailkept assuming A is town

So here I have mod confirmed info

I always flip A before Enchant

[MathBlade]

remember how you were 100% convinced HEM had to be town?

why can't you just be wrong again?

Because there was no kill and that’s mod confirmed

Moderators do not lie

[MathBlade]

Since I can’t explain why HEM is town I will use scum’s selfish desires in order to prove it.

remember this?

Yes I believed HeM town then came around

Here I have mech info that Enchsnt was shot because I was jailkept assuming A is town

So here I have mod confirmed info

I always flip A before Enchant

so how do you know scum didn't shoot HQ

or scum didn't no kill

You’re in circles

You’re asking the same questions and I am giving you the same answers

Because you said scum would shoot Enchant

And scum don’t no kill here.

[MathBlade]

Math, can you please shut up? I'm trying to talk with Ari to get through to her on why massclaim satisifies you both.

Mass claim is bad

Gamma is flipping me no matter what

[MathBlade]

And because there is no kill that’s not viable

You’re just spamming to avoid reads

If I have to I will claim I shot Enchant

There now will you elim me and TR enchant?

No? You believe I am VT?

Fine. Then there is literally nothing that will convince you

You’re intentionally spamming scum and the fact only Titus calls me out when you’re doing it is sus as fuck

I am doing everything I can to save unkillable town

Which everyone else should also do

[MathBlade]

Mass claim is bad

Gamma is flipping me no matter what

Massclaim would literally get you a non Enchant scum so what the hell are you objecting to?

Wallflower claim PR or VT

Because I don’t believe it will
And the end result is elim me anyway

[MathBlade]

If he does the Enchant trades and then has Harley Quinn conf town from being shot Ari conf town and has to give a new check

Odds of that are near zero

[MathBlade]

Like town enchant legit just claims cop then Ari is Doctor who saved HQ and we elim me and call it a day

[MathBlade]

So then it’s very likely if Enchant comes back ascetic we have a three way between Roden/A/enchant

[MathBlade]

But that has to be who scum shoot since Ari said scum would shoot there.

[MathBlade]

So the odds are like 90 to 1 scum shoot enchant

[MathBlade]

There's no way to conf enchant without confirming not ascetic and limming scum today

Or you lim me
Prove I am not killer
Then scum shot in Enchant and HQ

Problem solved

Scum always shoot enchant in that group as enchant is top spot

[MathBlade]

But that has to be who scum shoot since Ari said scum would shoot there.

I'm sorry I'm not sure what this means. You think it's overwhelmingly likely scum shot Enchant so he's town?

Why couldn't scum just have shot hq

Ari laid out the case yesterday
It’s why she didn’t want to elim enchant n1

Look there she said it better than I can.

[MathBlade]

or scum shot mathblade

I'm joking mostly I have actually seen scum do something comparable before lmao

Haha this is never the case I like never get shot ever.
If scum shot me there’s way better shots.

[MathBlade]

Alright then. I'm going to suppose HQ didn't take n3 vig to move the game along.

No one supports Mathblade's claim.......but me. I picked n3 vig because I have nerd and impulse issues. The fact it was already gone made me suspicious. Unless HQ claims, there is at least one scum above me.

That means StD Roden Math and Dwlee has at maximum one scum.

For those of us who are not where you are (likely just me)
Why do you say STD/Roden/Dwlee/Me has a max of 1 scum?

Can you explain that please?

[MathBlade]

because she's saying someone above her is scum and picked n3 vig or vengeful so there can only be 1 scum below her if any exist

Ah. So 50/50 split

[MathBlade]

well no it could be 2 scum above her in pick order

max 1 doesn't mean there has to be one.

Right

So we just repeat this with the VTs and we can find where the scum are building nested ifs and maybe a search tree.

[MathBlade]

Whelp
My flip is clearly wrong

It’s uninformed idiot

Sorry

(This is sarcasm my flip is not wrong)

[MathBlade]

Classical "I will PM mod and won't tell anyone".

Lmao

Yeah I think Mala slot could have gotten roleblocker which would have made things a lot easier for you guys

Yeah, scum can’t win against an uberstacked town. Town deprived scum of all of the good roles: role cop, rb, vigs/venge, jk etc.

They can it’s just really hard. You have to make sure the focus is on day play rather than mechanics.

[MathBlade]

this was fun

ty for modding dats


*hugs mathblade*

we should not fight so much ^^

Agreed

*accepts hugs and hugs back*

Gg everyone