Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Aristeia]

we have one active vig in HQ[Gamma already shot]

there's no need for a voyeur to make sure HQ shoots someone because that someone will die and flip

Voyeur is like p useless, I see no reason not to park on Ausuka forever

[Aristeia]

I think Gamma might be conftown on the basis of being one shot vig unless the scum team shot HQ & Enchant both on Night 1 and failed twice but that seems like a pretty fringe thing to happen

[Aristeia]

I am assuming Gamma vig'd Mathblade?

[Aristeia]

Enchant	BP
Ausuka	JK
Harley Quinn	N3 Vig/Venge
Bellaphant	tracker
Gamma Emerald	1-shot vig/PGO
implosion	UB/Rolecop
Wallflower	BP
Aristeia	Doctor
humaneatingmonkey	goon (could have picked anything)
Titus	n3 vig/Venge
Dwlee99	n3 vig
Roden	Voyeur
Save The Dragons	1-shot vig
MathBlade	vt

mmm if there's a fake claim it would have to be Voyeur or UB/Rolecop right? Am I reading this correctly?

[Aristeia]

if we lim Enchant then the UB becomes BP and that's not very useful.

As long as the UB isn't triggered, we essentially have 2x doctor, I can be leashed on Ausuka and Ausuka can target any1 for her JK.

I think it's better to vote out WF and vig a VT in the POE in terms of mech.

[Aristeia]

HQ I think you should decide on who you want to vig if WF flips scum and who you want to vig if WF flips town so that Ausuka can adjust her JK to not be on whoever you are shooting tonight

[Aristeia]

if wall flower flips scum we can JK enchant and vig a VT and still be p much guranteed to win if enchant is last scum

it also gives us an extra doctor due to UB

I think taking the safer path is better

if the solve really is enchant/wallflower we win either way

[Aristeia]

I really don't get why people were so opposed to elimming Enchant yesterday because "he might be bulletproof! we must test him out with roden!" and now he's proven bulletproof everyone is like "ok lets elim enchant"

like um why didnt we just kill him yesterday then?

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: I missed you Dats<3

[Aristeia]

i think ausuka should never jail me

this way scum have to shoot me and then shoot implosion to kill ausuka

[Aristeia]

hq you need to shoot a vt. we can vote out enchant tommorrow

[Aristeia]

implosion scum basically has no way to win because if ausuka dies and implo is alive thats a scum claim

[Aristeia]

um im always healing Ausuka

and when i get shot implo is always healing Ausuka

[Aristeia]

we should coordinate the jail/vig btw hq and ausuka tonight

[Aristeia]

hq should say who she is vigging so you dont jail them by accident if wf flips town

[Aristeia]

whoever you suspect the most?

as long as you tell ausuka so theres no chance she jails the same one

[Aristeia]

If enchant is scum your UB won't activate right?

UB activates on the first PR to die, alignment doesn't matter

[Aristeia]

enchant if you picked ascetic cop

it is much better for us as town

you understand this right?

[Aristeia]

i still think wall flower is better to elim than enchant

because then implosion becomes a second doctor

it solves implo's slot and keeps ausuka alive an extra night

i dont think it matters whether we vote out enchant today or tommorrow

[Aristeia]

i just want to note that fmpov ausuka is conftown unless scum nokilled last night which would be somewhat odd

i tr her on play too

i just realized gamma might not be conftown, he could be a mafia one shot vig who did not shoot or a mafia pgo so watch out for that.

not sure what else i should say b4 we end day.

dwlee, std any solving you two want to do?

[Aristeia]

i have been meaning to analyze how the hem wagon took off and figure out likely partners but i got distracted yesterday

i will block out some time tonight to do some solving if we can not kill wallflower until that happens

[Aristeia]

enchant if you picked ascetic cop

it is much better for us as town

you understand this right?

How me dying as Cop n1 is better?

because

(1) we wouldn't need to use an elimination on you.

(2) Implosion could have gotten a result by now as UB.

[Aristeia]

i just want to note that fmpov ausuka is conftown unless scum nokilled last night which would be somewhat odd

i tr her on play too

i just realized gamma might not be conftown, he could be a mafia one shot vig who did not shoot or a mafia pgo so watch out for that.

not sure what else i should say b4 we end day.

dwlee, std any solving you two want to do?

I think you’re wrong on Gamma. His vigshot on Math is consistent with his vote on him the next day. It is true that because of the jk there’s no proof of that but he’s been a hard tr for me since the beginning.

I think it's fine for you to hard tr him

I'm just saying he's not conftown because he could simply be scum 1 shot vig who hasn't shot.

I still didn't like how he hammered mathblade on d2 and pretended it was an accident because he specifically asked for "how many votes are on math" and then later hammered him.

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: Hi Dats <3

[Aristeia]

I have trouble believing anyone thought mathblade was actually scum when he E-1'd himself and was screaming nonstop to kill him to "prove enchant town" or whatever nonsense he was saying.

I guess it's not outside the realm of possibility that town!you would actually believe that scum!math decided to off himself.

[Aristeia]

actually on rereading some of this stuff I feel like maybe Mala/Wallflower is maybe town

[Aristeia]

Hate to say it, but I’m ok with eliminating hem jsut because he was being abrasive to me my last game when he was scum and it reminds me of when he did it to ms with how he’s talking to ari

does this feel like something she says about a scum partner? it's so non commital in its bussyness

[Aristeia]

I mean we did still kill him

[Aristeia]

do you like want to get flipped? O___O

[Aristeia]

I don't really know

We could always eliminate a different VT if we think Wallflower is town and that'll keep implo->doc dreams alive?

[Aristeia]

I guess I just feel uncomfortable putting things on auto pilot there's not a lot of solving

[Aristeia]

is it just because of the mech thing?

I'd like to talk about which VT is most likely scum independently of the mech tho >.>

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats when he gets home<3

[Aristeia]

gimme a few hours I've been meaning to write some stuff down sorry for the wait >.>

[Aristeia]

actually I'm kind of sleepy I'll do it tomm if the thread is still open but you don't have to wait for me I'm not even sure this will be useful

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Aristeia]

I think it makes sense for mafia if the last one is not enchant to no-kill to frame enchant because mechanically it avoids giving us a clear and makes the UB a BP instead of a doctor.

but there's like no real way around this and if enchant is scum they don't have a choice about it so I guess we just lim him?

[Aristeia]

like theoretically we could lim the VTs to flush out Enchant but it's like super tedious and highly boring to play this way.

[Aristeia]

mm we lim all 4 VTS.

then;


lim HQ -> Vengekill on Enchant

Gamma - Ausuka - Implo - Roden - Ari


Ausuka jails Roden

If Ari nightkilled then Roden Cleared, Ausuka Cleared.

Lim Implo Venge Gamma?

[Aristeia]

I don't think there's a way to actually mech win by force because mafia could theoretically just never kill anyone?

[Aristeia]

I am feeling pretty good about our towncore so think maybe just YOLO it

[Aristeia]

well i'm assuming Ausuka is JKing Enchant every night and I'm on Ausuka every night until the VTs are all dead.

if there's a nightkill on me, then Enchant becomes conftown and Implo becomes a Doctor and Ausuka can park on someone else?

It is a bit tedious and boring

[Aristeia]

that's after all the VTs are flipped

[Aristeia]

like assuming we flip thru all 4 VTs and the game is still not over

then we're at

Ausuka - Roden - HQ - Gamma - Implo - Ari

I said we could do that to go through the rest of the list basically betting that Ausuka is town atp?

[Aristeia]

it's a super boring plan tbh

[Aristeia]

yea I kind of prefer yoloing too tbh

life's too short to play mechanically correctly every time

[Aristeia]

VOTE: Enchant

it's ok if I get nightkilled nobody will want to kill you

[Aristeia]

tho I guess if Enchant flips town BP and you become BP and you get jailed and nobody dies it will be quite awful for you :<

[Aristeia]

day 8

[Aristeia]

that is how 2 shot PGO works I think.

Also he could simply be a mafia vig who never shot.

I don't think he is mafia though

[Aristeia]

if people want to do the mechanically more sound plan I'm up for it but I prefer yoloing because I'm easily bored

[Aristeia]

I don't think a scum vig would shoot mathblade tbh

[Aristeia]

I guess if we limmed Gamma we could turn Implosion into a 1 shot Vig which might potentially be able to clear Implosion if he gets to shoot on a night when the mafia also get a shot through.

[Aristeia]

nightless is kind of annoying huh

[Aristeia]

if Enchant is Mafia that would mean an Enchant/Wallflower team decided to either shoot Mathblade, shoot noone, or shoot Harley Quinn

does that make sense?

[Aristeia]

wait I just realized Wallflower flipping mafia means the mafia had 2 huge numbers hehe

what if the last mafia is titus that would be crazy

[Aristeia]

yea that's how I thought about it too

[Aristeia]

well it would take 4 days to elim all 4 VTs

we could do it in a day if we fast night every night or 8 days if we don't

[Aristeia]

why would scum extend their own suffering

[Aristeia]

I guess we're doing this

VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: For Dats<3

[Aristeia]

I'm fine with whatever atp

[Aristeia]

VOTE: enchant

playing optimal is more fun hehe

[Aristeia]

should say nonoptimal oopz

[Aristeia]

this was fun

ty for modding dats


*hugs mathblade*

we should not fight so much ^^

[Aristeia]

ty for your kind words I am not that good.

sorry for being excessively brutal during d1 - I did not mean to be so harsh on you, I lack certain elements of self awareness and tend to get carried away sometimes.