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In post 583, Radical Rat wrote:For now, @Greeting

Two points I would like you to address with a clear head now:
1. Do you have a towngame to refute Loki's meta read on you?

In post 10, Greeting wrote:Let's go!

VOTE: Alianna

I wrote:Greetings. Checking in. Will post pater!

I wrote:Greetings!

Prepare to be spammed with popculture gifs!

VOTE: kennyk

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I wrote: Greetings!

VOTE: 0verki11 because leet speak is so mid-2000s.

In post 314, Greeting wrote:

Hello, humans!

In post 522, fireisredsir wrote:mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

In post 583, Radical Rat wrote: 2. Why does scum!me drop the gimmick for readability Before getting sussed for it?

In post 603, Vivax wrote:

In post 522, fireisredsir wrote:mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

In post 604, Greeting wrote:My argument was that you used it as a psychological trick to hide the initial awkwardness of start of the game and content behind a veil. The argument wouldn't exist if you dropped it after one post, you continued for like 10 if I remember correctly.

If you were scum, you obviously wouldn't want to continue doing this forever, because you don't want to potentially annoy other players nor attract unnecessary attention. If you did this and had no meta on MafiaScum, ironically you could get written off as a quirky player. But, since you do have meta, people would notice the change in your behavior almost instantly.

In post 605, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 603, Vivax wrote:

In post 522, fireisredsir wrote:mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

You are playing similar here to Terminator. Did you even click Roden’s link where he said he found no similarities in this game and White Flag? But you just completely ignore that which makes absolutely no sense if you’re town and you made the very same horrific pushes in Terminator.

So when I flip town, are you going push furtive with the I was wrong on Loki. so furtive has to be scum argument?

In post 608, Vivax wrote:

In post 605, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 603, Vivax wrote:

In post 522, fireisredsir wrote:mafia cares about consistency because they have to put effort into faking it because it is something that comes naturally to most town who are just thinking their thoughts normally

holding two opposing thoughts in your brain in short succession is rare for most people

Result: The 'nonsensical' case on Loki

You are playing similar here to Terminator. Did you even click Roden’s link where he said he found no similarities in this game and White Flag? But you just completely ignore that which makes absolutely no sense if you’re town and you made the very same horrific pushes in Terminator.

So when I flip town, are you going push furtive with the I was wrong on Loki. so furtive has to be scum argument?

I will do that

Throwing more information at me is meant to throw me off I suppose. I like finding a clear cut angle such as that one, but you have the best reasons for disagreeing obviously.
I don't think that revisiting my Terminator meta here helps me to further the current purpose.

In post 595, Greeting wrote:

In post 578, Vivax wrote:

In post 576, Greeting wrote:

In post 574, Vivax wrote:

In post 572, Greeting wrote:Anyway, I think it's really interesting that

Vivax

is so hesitant about jumping on my wagon. I am an easy lim in this game, this day could have ended while I was in hiatus with the support of some townies. I actually think he might want to avoid looking bad when I flip town.

Nah, I just sympathize with unpopular takes as town

Very well. Looking back before I made post 567, what was so towny about me?

It was rather from observing some people's reactions to me just handing out a TR to you, then rushing a vote on you, then me rethinking the game entirely.
When I feel like I'm being driven to be on a specific person by my surroundings, I start doubting the game state and look in other places.
Scumreading you earned me absence of pressure over townreading you, so I figured that someone was trying to use peer pressure to manipulate me.

I... don't remember anyone townreading me in this game when I jumped in and then switching. As a matter of fact, my impression is that I got widely scumread almost instantly (358, 360).

If I remember correctly, it

Loki Dokie

who pressured others the most into jumping on certain people. The rest didn't really seem like trying to force others to vote me. They just built lengthy cases and that's it.

Care to elaborate?

Pedit: Do you think that

Loki Dokie

is scum for exerting a lot of pressure on the current wagon they're building? I feel like in 406 he might have wanted to bait me into jump on

Roden

without even thinking if it's a good read just so I could earn myself a townread in his eyes. What kind of town play is this?

In post 599, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 445, Roden wrote:

In post 393, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 366, Roden wrote:

In post 205, Loki Dokie wrote:UNVOTE:

Trying to decide now on Roden or Vivax because Roden has never wrongly sr me and he was in Terminator so unlike Dann, he definitely knows who I am. Vivax’s 180 on me is hella weird as well,

@Roden tell me how I’m different here than in Terminator and if you know my main, your vote on me is even worse,

I don't remember much from Terminator but my vote isn't based on that. I know who's alt you are and my vote is more or less because of that, defensiveness is NAI for you but I know from another alt that AtE isn't. The post I quoted and voted you for gave me AtE vibes and I wanted to see how you'd react. Either you double down and scum tell or you go hard at your self meta and town tell. Though tbh this part is townier than your immediate reaction:

In post 293, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 288, furtiveglance wrote:Yeah I'd definitely like Roden to say more before I considered voting there.

Dann’s argument would suggest that Roden’s scumgame isn’t good. His vote on me is bad but as scum, he’d probably realize that.

In the game I played with scum!him I was getting heavily wagoned and Roden hard wk’d me. This just seems to be really sloppy if Roden’s scum here.

Roden was so good in that game that last town miselimmed me at elo and Roden won, so why would his scumgame suddenly turn to shit? Idk what to think rn.

Realizing that I already know how to play around you as scum but not actually pursuing that is the kind of nuance I was looking for, more or less. You're more likely to avoid looking like your waffling as scum.

You have never seen my scumgame, so this is utter bs. You should have stuck with not knowing who I am sport. Major fos here.

This all started because you didn't know I was in White Flag, and I was only bringing it up and linked it because of that. I never said your play was similar to that game,

I was looking to see if there

were

any similarities and didn't see any.

@Vivax, is there some reason you decided to completely ignore this?

In post 614, furtiveglance wrote:Ok chill with the caps.

In post 615, furtiveglance wrote:I do scumread Vivax. I feel like they're aspiring to be weird town but aren't getting that authenticity.

In post 618, furtiveglance wrote:oh is it

this?

In post 619, furtiveglance wrote:One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

In post 622, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 619, furtiveglance wrote:One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

Spoiler:

In post 2, Datisi wrote:

game setup - The Turing Test

here is the md thread of the setup. it will also be explained below. pm or dm me if you have any questions.

setup:

~

8 human subjects (the town)

~

5 malevolent AIs (the mafia)

mechanics:

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but not flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.

both the day yeet and the mafia factional night action are mandatory.

if a hammer is not achieved by deadline, ties will be broken by seniority. if the mafia doesn't submit their action by deadline, i will randomize it for them.

sample role pm's:

welcome,

playername

. you are a

human subject

.

abilities:

~ you have no special abilities.

win conditions:

~ you win when human subjects achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

welcome,

playername

. you are a

malevolent AI

.

abilities:

~ your fellow AIs are

playername

,

playername

,

playername

and

playername

. as long as you are in the game, you may talk to them in the AI pt, located here.
~ during each night, you must select two players, 1 human and 1 AI, to participate in the turing test the following day.

win condition:

~ you win when malevolent AIs achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Yes, that’s why I think it’s extremely scum indicative that he’s hardpushing me, because with no nks, this is probably his best hope of getting rid of me.

In post 623, Radical Rat wrote:

In post 622, Loki Dokie wrote:

In post 619, furtiveglance wrote:One thing to note is that regular VCA isn't as useful with 5/13 being mafia. So if Vivax flips mafia it doesn't clear the competing wagons in the same way.

Spoiler:

In post 2, Datisi wrote:

game setup - The Turing Test

here is the md thread of the setup. it will also be explained below. pm or dm me if you have any questions.

setup:

~

8 human subjects (the town)

~

5 malevolent AIs (the mafia)

mechanics:

day 1 plays as normal, with the players voting someone to eliminate.
~ if the person voted out is a townie, nobody scores any points.
~ if the person voted out is mafia, the town scores 1 point.

the mafia does not have a factional kill. instead, each night, starting from n1, scum must choose two players to participate in the turing test the next day. the only requirement is that the two people participating are 1 townie and 1 mafia.

from day 2 and on, there is no votes to eliminate; instead, each day there is a turing test. the two players selected by the mafia are announced and removed from the game, but not flipped. the votes are locked between the two selected players, and the living players must vote for the person in the pair they believe to be mafia.
~ if a mafia member is voted out, town scores 1 point.
~ if a townie is voted out, mafia scores 1 point.

after one of the two has been hammered, the alignments of the selected players are revealed, and the game goes back to the night phase.

the first faction to reach 3 points wins.

both the day yeet and the mafia factional night action are mandatory.

if a hammer is not achieved by deadline, ties will be broken by seniority. if the mafia doesn't submit their action by deadline, i will randomize it for them.

sample role pm's:

welcome,

playername

. you are a

human subject

.

abilities:

~ you have no special abilities.

win conditions:

~ you win when human subjects achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name.

welcome,

playername

. you are a

malevolent AI

.

abilities:

~ your fellow AIs are

playername

,

playername

,

playername

and

playername

. as long as you are in the game, you may talk to them in the AI pt, located here.
~ during each night, you must select two players, 1 human and 1 AI, to participate in the turing test the following day.

win condition:

~ you win when malevolent AIs achieve 3 points.

the game thread is here. please confirm your role by replying to this pm with your role name, or by posting in your pt.

Yes, that’s why I think it’s extremely scum indicative that he’s hardpushing me, because with no nks, this is probably his best hope of getting rid of me.

It's actually kind of sort of a double NK? Regardless of who "wins" the test, you do get removed from the game that night. I clarified this with Datisi prior to joining the game.