Community | Day 1

[Andresvmb]

Why would Koka be cleared from a red Passenger flip?

The Passenger wagon is composed of 3 town, whereas Bell and PenguinPower are both potential scum on Kokabiel

I think your read of Bell is wrong, for what it’s worth. I think Bell has sufficiently demonstrated to be analyzing the game from a Town mindset. And the sarcasm-filled responses have been particularly entertaining. I also don’t know that Scum bothers expressing their confusion in the way that Bell has.

[The Bombay]

UNVOTE:

Roden might need to claim their target then, not even sure who has not checked in at this point.

[The Bombay]

Either of you get a mod pm about Roden?

No?

For reference

the secondary effect from my ability let's me send a message to my target mod-confirming me as town. I'd like for this player to announce this, please.

[Herta]

Lol didn't mean to quote that but hey that's where I am in the catchup

Here I was thinking sometime actually agreed about something with me

[JohnnyFarrar]

Post counts suck. This post is so long my phone stopped spellchecking it so have fun with typos I guess.

Here's everything thought I had reading through this accursed thread.

Spoiler: open at your own risk

Posts 1-24

Miller claim. I've never seen anyone fake claim miller. So hard for me to believe it's not true.

25-49

Is this TMI? furtive says that he is the miller, as opposed to just a miller. This suggests that he knows there is no miller in the game, thus suggesting that killer is a fakeclaim he was given by the mod.

This is a stretch. Or a joke? Either way not taking it for anything.

I don’t really furtive would come up with a fake claim the instant the game started.
Either they were handed it by the mod, there’s something in their role pm that explicitly encourages them to claim miller as scum
Or they’re just telling the truth.

Maybe their flavor inspired them, but not sure how likely that is.

This actually made me think just how wild a fake claim this would be, because another miller would render them both 100x more suspicious

Then simply...don't?

Bloodthirsty bird

50-74

I’m feel like I am making a pretty big reach

Self aware? Or backsliding?

1. The fact that DeasVail posted about his inability to solve. This shows that DeasVail is scum concerned whether people believe he is solving or not. Statistically this has proven to be a weak but >rand tell.

I'd be interested to see the data on this because it seems mad weak.

This is shaping out to be a game where my approach works and I go 2/3 in my early reads. I'll let you guys fight it out a little bit more before I post my PoE. Unless Bombay rolled scum and Luke is taking the reigns for marci (which I think isn't the case though my certainty is

low

) my reads indicate no scum has written more than 4 posts.

This is the first and only time I'll say Froggo's ego makes them hard to read.

75-99

Go on then, who's mafia?

This is a punchy response and I'm not sure how to feel about it

IMO I don't think you are a dull player so if you haven't seen anything suspicious yet then I think you should reread and be more open to being skeptical and critical of others. I think the idea of whether or not most posts are NAI is tricky. In this particular game I believe that a lot more AI content than usual has been created.

I know Lost was not a good baseline for which to Guage someone's town game but like yooooo you are mad different than you were in Lost.

100-124

Buttering up maybe

And this shows you're aware of buttering up as a scum strategy. Forming a scumread here.

Also I'm feeling pretty good about furtiveglance, flavia and frogster

Frog why?

125-149

By this point, Frogster has conceded he engaged in scummy behavior, and all of his reasons for Kokabiel being scum are invalid because of that.

Saying "I do this anti town thing always" -- while shitty -- is not a scum claim nor will I take it as one. This is the second stretchy vote you've made before page 10.

I'm trying to make posts made so far AI in my head, but I'm not really coming up with much.

Must be scum out of ideas.

Also, saw 2 different people taking this seriously.

I am pretty sure that this was a sarcastic/ joke post from Bell. Which made passenger latching onto it as an excuse to vote DeasV pretty bad.

Luke's such a hard read because he's so goddamn right all the time

150-174

I'll admit Koko was a part of my team solve I mentioned earlier, but now with more information (from their wagon piling on) I feel their reaction to pressure is more indicative of a Resident who is wrongly accused.

This seems accurate

I'll wait a little bit longer before I get into my ideas about hunting for the Dictator.

Where does this dictator terminology come from?

I think that Flavia's recent pop in (160 and 162) is incredibly scummy.

Like, the fact that when she came back to the thread, the thing she had to comment on was furtive's miller claim and bell's response from page 1, and then flashed forward to the current page to defend against a scum read pointed her way, and then left the thread with no comment on anything else.

It makes it feel like she wanted to make a comment on *something* but also did not want to touch any of the current discussions with a 10-foot pole.

~Luke

Ehh 162 reminds me of that thing that happens in IRL mafia a lot where people are sometimes reduced to saying "maybe I am, maybe I'm not, what proof do you have?" And I see that from both alignments.

165 - 167 do not leave me with a good Bell impression

so what bullshit tree are you trying to plant?

LOL

I townread Passenger and The Bombay.

I disagree and find that brave, respectively

175-199

(Did the thing where I zoned out a little reading this page)

I think Flavia's posts are cringey and unnatural in a way that makes them likely (with moderate certainty) to be new or a player returning to the game after a long hiatus

I feel this, though you conclude scum and I'm not as convinced. I believe you honestly think this though, the thought process is transparent. You two definitely aren't partners.

So my current solve for group scum is Flavia/andres and one more player who both has less than eleven posts and isn't excluded in the list above. The players who meet both of these criteria are:

Herta
Furtive
Penguin
Starpower

I should be on this list

*tilts head* tbh I’m surprised more people aren’t voting me, I say completely oblivious that I haven’t played with half the game before. Therefore they don’t know that my activity is kind of a blaring red sign that I’m scum here.

It is mad convenient that you say this as soon as the meta-reader-in-chief Nancy starts posting

200-224

Frog, if you are getting the feeling that Flavia is scummy, while also getting the feeling that she feels isolated. Why is your conclusion "she is the most active groupcum" and not "she seems like 3p"?

Luke i think Froggo's just 3p here

Flavia's 213 (not quoting because holy shit) is maybe more effort than *I* would put into a defense as town, but I don't hate it. Also that half as cocky bet thing at the end is against the rules but I thought it was funny and can't help but see Flavia as town doing it.

I like to read on my phone while drinking my coffee (heh, no work) but I can't exactly quote stuff and do things on it. So, I just read. Type later.
I mean, it could be a whole conspiracy where I ignored him or I could be telling the truth. Didn't think it was relevant cuz that's no way anyone could prove it anyway.


Given that I did answer some time later, why did you think it's important?

This is that same shit I talked about earlier. Newb tell, not scum tell.

225-249

I currently expect Kookaburra to flip Town and that they are a counterwagon to save Flavia

Of the two I'd be more willing to bet on Kookoo, sorry

Is it like a brain read or a heart read?

250-274

Kokabiel is an

Advocate

!

This makes that last post of kookoo's make more sense, I thought they were threatening to claim.

it be scum

Where do birds get their confidence?

275-299

I'll eat my socks.

like - with any seasoning or sauce, or just plain socks?

Some wasabi perhaps? (callback)

Mmm wasabi

There's no way you didn't hit this post limit on purpose.

(Mastina pokes in and arrives at some weird conclusions but I don't vibe with their thought process so I'm gonna hope I can just read the slot through Nancy)

300-324

Not quoting the walls here but: Frog reads really genuine here and I don't think he's groupscum unless I'm wrong on Flavia and/or/ his partners just aren't a presence.

Mastina's argument about Frog seeming like scum distancing away from Flavia also doesn't hit because I don't agree on Flavia

VOTE: unvote

I don't love the passivity from Herta voting-wise in this game so far but he's VLA as of this post so I'll give it time

if enough time passes and you don’t realize we’re town when you read me correctly in LOST, Elected Decisions and eventually in Masque, I may possibly lose confidence in that.

This reads like a threat

Actually I was thinking about going back to Flavia. It occurred to me that I may have been blindly following Frogster on Passenger. On someone else too I don't recall right now. I didn't have any agency there. But your moving off of Flavia stuck me.

Yeah this just reads disengaged

325-349

Not a lot of note here. Furt seems town and Roden is towning it up.

350-374

I'm not answering any questions from useless baggage anymore so Tell me if you want a claim
Peace out till i see something scummy or a question from someone who actually is doing stuff.

This strongly reads as scum trying to AtE rather than genuinely annoyed town. Kokabiel asks if anyone wants her to claim, but the rest of her recent posts don’t give off a vibe of annoyance or anger.

This.. . Isn't wrong. Hmm.

Apart from Catguin who i'm 90% certain is scum

WHO?

And Deas has been really townie, so that alone is whack.

I'm gonna have to take your word for this, Dea has been underwhelming

375-399

What have you done this game for it to warrant a townread on you? Nothing.

What are the chances that this is some alt that knows Mastina but NOT Nancy? This forum is a pretty small world? This comment combined with what they expect of Mastina makes me wonder if they're trying to bait Nancy here

(Oh God I'm losing steam on this catchup) A lot of cool, pertinent questions from people I think are probably town (Nancy, Luke, Roden, furt)

400- 424

Skim my posts

On it.

Lol

Who do you want to eliminate today?

Towntell, good faith, etc

Johnny - join this wagon with me.

I plan to after a lil bit of discussion

The Passenger wagon is composed of 3 town

I rescind that townread

425-449

You're very smart but a terrible actor.

Thanks, it's the neurodivergency.

RODEN YOU CAN'T BE OUT HERE KILLING MFERS LIKE THIS

I'm too confused to respond to your post.

Bro I have literally never townread Bell and maybe I never will

450-474

Guess now's the best time to explain that I actually have another reason to think Koka is scum, it should put some things in perspective. One moment please.

Is this the thing?

Alright let me dumb it down for you.
After flipping an easy miselim, you will be coming back to me because i'm another easy miselim you won't get blamed for. That's 2 free flips;
So why would i, in my right mind, not attack you despite most of your posts being scummy?

Just like, super off base. Wow.

Frog, where is the info that Dictator is the 3p? All I see is that there is a government operative who is antisocial.

I searched the thread for it earlier and Frogster's the only one who's said it.

475-499

VOTE: Passenger

Still think the Passenger wagon is far purer if we're doing Passenger/Kokabiel.

After this whirlwind of a page this is where you land? Furtive is not scum.

500-524

Bell's whole problem at the top of this page is that ko can't have done it this way because he can think of more efficient ways to go about it? Town isn't perfect.

Roden is an

Advocate

!

Is THIS the thing?

Penguin already scumread me even if he didn't state it. He broke character with his comments right after the announcement which is a pretty big tell. And now he is lurking

Haha got you Penguin NOW you're lurking

525-549

(Fuck me for waiting this long to catch up holy shit)

First thing everyone should know: my role isn't called Advocate or Moonlight Dancer. My ability is called Advocate, but my role is actually called

Proponent

. Koka has already botched their role claim as far as flavor goes. I'm fairly certain Koka isn't claiming their real role name because it would sound scummy and didn't think anyone else was also an Advocate. Though Koka did say the correct trigger phrase "Represent Residents", as that was mine as well.

Besides that, the secondary effect from my ability let's me send a message to my target mod-confirming me as town. I'd like for this player to announce this, please.

Knowing what I think I know now we boutta have a 1v1 on our hands

The 1 town 1 scum theory about advocates is perhaps more pleasing to those of us who desire balance, but it's not based on any fact. I won a scum game like a year ago because scum just had two doctors.

550-574

Ngl, if no one confirms roden's message, my reaction will be to assume that his target was scum. Not that Roden was scum. Even if his role did not confirm him, this entire play is dripping in towniness.

But also, doubt that happens, because that outs his target as scum, because he can just... tell us who he targeted.

So I am just skipping the waiting and living my life as though who ever his target is has already confirmed him.

These thoughts are my thoughts. How dare you steal my thoughts.

575-599

This gives a fake result and not a misleading?

This shit makes you so hard to read because like optimal play here if you're scum is to attack Roden hard. Unless you're trying to 'aw shucks' your way out of it but like jeez. Enigmatic.

I'll hit people up with a readslist shortly. If I asked a question to you somewhere in there feel free to answer, I don't actually remember most of it already.

[Bell]

Johnny's scum I guess. Hi Johnny scum.

[DeasVail]

UNVOTE:

Roden might need to claim their target then, not even sure who has not checked in at this point.

Maybe advocate is just another name for delegate...

(I'm joking)

(At least I think I'm joking?)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny's scum I guess. Hi Johnny scum.

Hey

WAIT A MINUTE

[Bell]

Johnny's scum I guess. Hi Johnny scum.

Hey

WAIT A MINUTE

*shrug* you're being entirely too townie here, when you're usually super scummy and lurky. You're trying too hard.

I solved for Johnny, you heard it here first folks. I told you so.

[Bell]

Why would Koka be cleared from a red Passenger flip?

The Passenger wagon is composed of 3 town, whereas Bell and PenguinPower are both potential scum on Kokabiel

I think your read of Bell is wrong, for what it’s worth. I think Bell has sufficiently demonstrated to be analyzing the game from a Town mindset. And the sarcasm-filled responses have been particularly entertaining. I also don’t know that Scum bothers expressing their confusion in the way that Bell has.

Lol, I think this is the first time you've actually town read me in a game we've both been in.

[JohnnyFarrar]

{Town}
JohnnyFarrar
Flavia
The Bombay (Hydra of Lukewarm and marcistar)

{Probably Town}
furtiveglance
N.Y. M (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Yume and mastina)
Star Power*Roden
DeasVail

{Null}
PenguinPower
Herta
Andresvmb*

{Scumlean}
Bell
Kokabiel
Passenger

{3p}
Frogsterking

Tell me I'm wrong

[JohnnyFarrar]

*shrug* you're being entirely too townie here, when you're usually super scummy and lurky. You're trying too hard.

Lol I almost flaked on like page 10, but Froggo was nice to me and RH invited me to play so I sucked it up.

[Bell]

You're wrong.

What are the asterisks for?

[Bell]

That read's list is sending a lot of alarm bells off in my brain.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think prods? I copied the list from the OP

[Bell]

You're being way too consensusy with your reads. *Squints*
Maybe you really did get a red role pm.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It's hard to have hot takes when the day gets solved pretty good before you get here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bell]

It's hard to have hot takes when the day gets solved pretty good before you get here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I want it on the record that I'm not scum partners with JohnnyFarrar this game.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Spoiler: confirms

First thing everyone should know: my role isn't called Advocate or Moonlight Dancer. My ability is called Advocate, but my role is actually called

Proponent

. Koka has already botched their role claim as far as flavor goes. I'm fairly certain Koka isn't claiming their real role name because it would sound scummy and didn't think anyone else was also an Advocate. Though Koka did say the correct trigger phrase "Represent Residents", as that was mine as well.

Besides that, the secondary effect from my ability let's me send a message to my target mod-confirming me as town. I'd like for this player to announce this, please.

spicy

I CAN CONFIRM I'M NOT THE PLAYER RODEN MESSAGED

I cannot confirm Roden.

Did someone confirm that Roden is town?
I did not receive a message and that breaks my heart a little because I was their strongest TR, supposedly.

I think correct play here is to wait for Roden's confirmation but I also wouldn't be that upset if the day ended before that.

I’m catching up.

Same

Either of you get a mod pm about Roden?

I did not.

Either of you get a mod pm about Roden?

No?

Assuming Bombay, Frog, and Koko didn't get it since they were posting after the reveal.

Still need to confirm:

Flavia
NYM
Penguin
Passenger

[N.Y. M]

{Town}
JohnnyFarrar
Flavia
The Bombay (Hydra of Lukewarm and marcistar)

{Probably Town}
furtiveglance
N.Y. M (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Yume and mastina)
Star Power*Roden
DeasVail

{Null}
PenguinPower
Herta
Andresvmb*

{Scumlean}
Bell
Kokabiel
Passenger

{3p}
Frogsterking

Tell me I'm wrong

I think you’re wrong. Frogs claimed informed - informed that one of the roles was misleading and I don’t think that refers to furtive because it just sounds like terrible game design if it did. so I want to hear if anyone received Roden’s message. I did not and so far no one yet has.

Hot take: Koka and Passenger might be aligned if Koka’s actually scum here. Both seem to be tr the other but Koka’s Passenger defense seems a bit over the top. How is she so sure he’s a miselim? She seems extremely confident on all her reads but especially the scum ones.

I think Frogs’ informed probably makes the most sense here if one of Koka, Roden are lying and of the two, only Roden is suspicious of Koka’s claim but not the converse.

Koka hasn’t made any effort revaluating her read on me and is ignoring everything I’ve said and she has only wrongly cased me but in addition to saying Penguin “slipped”, she hasn’t given any other reads, especially Passenger.

Prior to the informed thing I was less likely to think this and more likely to agree with Frogs but now I just don’t know. \_0_/

But I want to wait and see if anyone claims Roden message and how we ought to be interpreting that - one way or the other.

I decided only to partially claim my role today:

#1 I'm informed that at least one player has a role which gets misleading results.

I already claimed it earlier before Roden claimed. I assumed it was referring to an investigative, but I was jumping to conclusions, I doublechecked my role PM just now because I was getting suspicious, and below is the exact wording:

MY ROLE IS INFORMED FYI IN CASE ANYONE MISSED ME CLAIM IT:

INFORMED: AT LEAST ONE ROLE PROVIDES A MISLEADING RESULT

I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW RODEN'S ROLE WORKS...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At least one player has a role who

PROVIDES

a misleasing result. I wonder what kind of mod given information Roden may have

PROVIDED

to someone with his

ROLE

via a

PRIVATE MESSAGE

. I wonder if Roden has a

SCUM PR

with the ability to

MISLEAD

as you now know

THERE IS AT LEAST ONE ROLE IN THIS GAME WHICH PROVIDES MISLEADING RESULTS

Frog is now out of posts, and we have not even gotten to the point where we get to see who is the person who confirms roden

He still has a reservoir of 25 left but it’s for 3 days.

Liking Andreas and think he might be right about Bell.

Strongest trs rn are Frogs, Bombay. Furtive definitely seems to be uninformed.

@Luke: No not offended at all.

~Nancy

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nancy the Dictator stuff doesn't move the needle for you at all?

[N.Y. M]

Day 1 Count VII

Kokabiel (4) - Roden, Bell, DeasVail, PenguinPower
Passenger (4) - Andresvmb, Frogsterking, N.Y. M, furtiveglance
Roden (1) - Flavia
The Bombay (1) - Kokabiel
PenguinPower (1) - JohnnyFarrar
Frogsterking (1) - Passenger

Not Voting

- The Bombay, Herta

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• The Bombay and Herta are V/LA until Monday.
  
• If I missed any other V/LAs, let me know.
  
• With 14 remaining, it takes 8 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-11-16 17:00:00).

Kokabiel is an

Advocate

!

@mod what does this mean exactly?

Advocate is a flavoured term for Moonlight Dancer.

Roden is an

Advocate

!

@mod is Kookaburra confirmed not to be the Dictator because of your announcement that they're an Advocate?

Their alignment is not confirmed by my announcement. Nothing is confirmed by them being an Advocate except that they have Advocate in their role or are one.

I decided only to partially claim my role today:

#1 I'm informed that at least one player has a role which gets misleading results.

I already claimed it earlier before Roden claimed. I assumed it was referring to an investigative, but I was jumping to conclusions, I doublechecked my role PM just now because I was getting suspicious, and below is the exact wording:

MY ROLE IS INFORMED FYI IN CASE ANYONE MISSED ME CLAIM IT:

INFORMED: AT LEAST ONE ROLE PROVIDES A MISLEADING RESULT

I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW RODEN'S ROLE WORKS...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At least one player has a role who

PROVIDES

a misleasing result. I wonder what kind of mod given information Roden may have

PROVIDED

to someone with his

ROLE

via a

PRIVATE MESSAGE

. I wonder if Roden has a

SCUM PR

with the ability to

MISLEAD

as you now know

THERE IS AT LEAST ONE ROLE IN THIS GAME WHICH PROVIDES MISLEADING RESULTS

Nancy the Dictator stuff doesn't move the needle for you at all?

Frogs was was wrongly accused of beng informed in Masque for something similar. Why should that change my read? Why does 3p!Frogs claim informed and an extremely specific informed at that and it ironically seems to match up with some of the things Roden has been saying?

~Nancy

[JohnnyFarrar]

I guess I just don't see why our government themed third party can't be informed

[DeasVail]

I could see frog as third party maaaybe but I still think he’s more likely town barring this being an amazing replication of his towngame.

Things like the Flavia read progression- such as the way he went about trying to get me on board felt true to Frog’s way of doing things, while as scum I think he appeases more.
The intensity of his conspiracy theory regarding Roden is also more like him as town. As scum he is more malleable I think

[JohnnyFarrar]

Was he abnormal in Lost because he was town there and a huge dick to quite a few people