Unless they already claimed their musical, idk if they did? If they did and it's not the one I'm concerned about, I still think nobody should hammer before they claim, but I won't be able to give a strong argument for them being town based on that alone.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 11:28 am
by Cerberus v666
Also, I voted podoboq because 1) he was in the very small PoE pool I have, and 2) I was curious to see who would note the vote, and whether or not anyone would take the opportunity to move on him. Not much gained there.
I've liked podo since the beginning. I don't think it's likely that itl is scum either, looking back through his interactions with the two scum flips.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 12:56 pm
by itlepip
and the scum that isn't flipped...
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:36 pm
by The Pied Piper
Dwlee99:
The central core of my read on Dwlee is that he isn't actually making an attempt to read the game; his reads aren't really based in anything and he just pushes for pushing's sake. The main argument against this, from what I can tell, is that "this is his normal meta", and that people don't believe that he is intelligent enough to actually read the game and get opinions on people. The major counter I have to this is actually looking at his town meta; in Micro 598, Dwlee had a strong suspicion of Magna based on what looked like a scum slip to him. In this game, after he thought a player had scumslipped, he argued with other players, speculated on alternate scumteams, and, at one pointed, voted his top suspect and unvoted 15 minutes later to deliberate about it some more. This is a trend in all of his town games that I've read; Dwlee very clearly and transparently thinks about the votes and pushes he's making as town. As scum? Not so much. In Cyberpunk after I was killed, the town began self-destructing a bit, and Dwlee always followed on the heels of their votes, and, most importantly, when he changed reads on people, he just changed them for little to no reason, and there was none of the consideration that he had elsewhere in figuring out the game. The only meaningful thing that Dwlee has done this entire day is push us, and he's been pushing us for a long time. But during this time, there's no point where his push changed or evolved; he started scumreading us in 3074 and there's been no progress at all since then. He used his scumread of us to avoid voting Skybird until suddenly we were close to hammering her and then he decided that he didn't like something she said, he talked a lot about swapping votes onto Axelrod but never followed through. And he doesn't have this problem with just us; his reads on everyone have been completely static. There's not a single read that he's had that's organically evolved or changed; they've all been completely the same, across the board.
Vote: Dwlee99
I plan on detailing all of my major reads (at least), but will be posting in chunks. I will claim before I leave for the night.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:07 pm
by Cerberus v666
Maybe we can save you TPP!
VOTE: Dwlee99
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:08 pm
by The Pied Piper
First of all, I feel like Mirhawk still being considered on the same case that he was for Day 1/Day 2 reasons is just a little bit ridiculous; there's a pretty significant elephant in the room that he's put far and above more effort than anyone else in the game (608 posts!), and typically, a very overwhelmingly large percent of the time, these players are town unless they are players who are known to consistently put that type of effort in regardless of alignment. Mirhawk is not that type of player. He's played in 19 games before he's played in this one, and he has 1587 posts total. Now, normally I don't lean on post number for any type of argument, but this stands out enough where I find it pretty significant; his posts this game make up more than one-third of his total posts. His average posting rate elsewhere is 50 posts per game. That means that this game is a break out game of sorts, where this is a game that he's invested himself to a significantly larger extent than he has anywhere else. It's much, much easier to do this as town.
There are also a number of subtle touches that Mirhawk has in the game that would demonstrate an impressive amount of foresight as scum, but seem pretty natural as town (things like him saying his flavor doesn't match up with his claim and then saying it was due to a Officer Lockstock that wasn't a cop and saying that he was a VT instead of a PR like he implied). I think that the emotional investment that he's taken in this game is pretty significant and I think that the way that he's approached things is not how scum would approach the situation (in particular, when he was about to die, he brought up "calling the miller gambit" - while I don't think that his pride in that is alignment indicative, I'm really skeptical that he'd bring it up when he was sitting right next to death when that was the thing that got him killed in the first place).
I also think he's made countless on countless of posts that sound extremely genuine and show his emotional engagement in a way that wouldn't be there if he was scum; places like 4390, 5403 stand out especially. I also think that his ISO is probably as frustratingly impossible to get through as mine is which is probably why he's lynchable in the first place but skimming through Page 3 should give you pretty strong reasoning for why he is likely town; I can suck it up and expand the case on him if people think it will help their reads there, but I think will be more productive to respond to people's cases on him.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:22 pm
by Dwlee99
I'm focused primarily on you, tpp. I'm not "updating" my read on you because there is nothing to update. I've thought you were scum since whatever that post was you linked and you still are. Your entire play revolving around your claim and the inno you had is scum. I'm not changing my mind on that. Not to mention you're just targeting me because I'm the main proponent of your lynch.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:29 pm
by Cerberus v666
Dwlee, you overestimate your influence. Massively. If anyone is the cause of this lynch, it's Mirhawk. You're just an annoying little voice that keeps saying the same thing over and over again.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:30 pm
by The Pied Piper
In post 6010, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm focused primarily on you, tpp. I'm not "updating" my read on you because there is nothing to update. I've thought you were scum since whatever that post was you linked and you still are. Your entire play revolving around your claim and the inno you had is scum. I'm not changing my mind on that. Not to mention you're just targeting me because I'm the main proponent of your lynch.
If you were looking to refute my point that the only significant thing that you've done is push me, then I'd suggest digging up significant pushes or reads on other players.
If you were looking to refute my point that none of your reads has shown any sort of natural evolution (or anything but stagnation, really), I'd suggest you quote yourself changing your mind on someone in a natural looking way.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:32 pm
by drmyshottyizsik
you know I can see where this goes VOTE: dwee
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:43 pm
by Dwlee99
In post 6011, Cerberus v666 wrote:Dwlee, you overestimate your influence. Massively. If anyone is the cause of this lynch, it's Mirhawk. You're just an annoying little voice that keeps saying the same thing over and over again.
In post 6010, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm focused primarily on you, tpp. I'm not "updating" my read on you because there is nothing to update. I've thought you were scum since whatever that post was you linked and you still are. Your entire play revolving around your claim and the inno you had is scum. I'm not changing my mind on that. Not to mention you're just targeting me because I'm the main proponent of your lynch.
If you were looking to refute my point that the only significant thing that you've done is push me, then I'd suggest digging up significant pushes or reads on other players.
If you were looking to refute my point that none of your reads has shown any sort of natural evolution (or anything but stagnation, really), I'd suggest you quote yourself changing your mind on someone in a natural looking way.
my refute to that is that I don't need to evolve my read on scum you?
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:53 pm
by dramonic
oh my god you guys are just a special flavor of stupid aren't you.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 2:59 pm
by SirCakez
TPP why aren't you claiming?
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 3:00 pm
by SirCakez
Oh I didn't see the end of 6007 OK. I'm expecting that, I'll see what I think of your other stuff.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 3:01 pm
by dramonic
Because this town is composed of clownfucks and they know that once again, they're gonna dodge the rope in favor of some other sap who doesn't have enough cocksucking inertia to dodge it.
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 3:09 pm
by drmyshottyizsik
In post 6018, dramonic wrote:Because this town is composed of clownfucks and they know that once again, they're gonna dodge the rope in favor of some other sap who doesn't have enough cocksucking inertia to dodge it.
this lynch is your ass VOTE: tpp
Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 3:09 pm
by SirCakez
Yeah tbh that's what I'm thinking dram post-FS lynch.
It might give me the real push I need to stop playing this game, join extracurricular things and make new friends, start hanging out with current and new friends, tryhard in school, get into MIT, graduate valedictorian, be the next bill gates, marry the girl of my dreams named Alex, and have a successful and very happy life. Why?