i'll be here deciding if i should buy art for one of my characters while the big town lads decide whoc rosses
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:16 pm
by Taly
In post 5997, Ydrasse wrote:re a50: i think my worry is that... i don't want to let that sort of wifom win i guess, if he's scum? like, "oh no KILL ME kill me let me die here are my reads let me go" is something scum do, and it's like... idk, ~easier~ to me to just accept at face value: yes, you have been suspected a lot and you have been suspected so much, or your slot has, to let you die now especially when you're saying you want to die so much that it makes me head spin trying to think if you really mean it.
if people think a50 is super sincere + honest + should definitely go through i don't think i could like... bring myself to vote for him lol but neither would i stop it if that makes sense? a moral stand against it basically.
I think this is a solid reason to uncross
A50
still, I just don't know what the optimal approach here is. Really unique mafia scenario.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:18 pm
by Ydrasse
i think it's probably a bit unfair to characterize a50 as WANTING to die but he's kind of accepting it rather and insisting that it's going to be the case which isn't the same as like, begging for it actually
Town: Peta, Gammagooey, Gamma Emerald
Nulltown: Ydra, Taly
Null: Toog, Firebringer
Nullscum: Almost50 (mainly because I feel like his entrance here was his scum game)
Scum: Tamora's Angel, Ulyana
So I'm calling both my scum partners confirmed Scum? PERFECT!
not doing preflips stop with this
In post 5996, Taly wrote:he's convinced that I'm spewing incoherent bullshit
you are you literally admitted to it lol
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:38 pm
by SirCakez
accepting your death also is not a reliable towntell I've used it to get out of elims as scum and seen scum use it too
Town: Peta, Gammagooey, Gamma Emerald
Nulltown: Ydra, Taly
Null: Toog, Firebringer
Nullscum: Almost50 (mainly because I feel like his entrance here was his scum game)
Scum: Tamora's Angel, Ulyana
So I'm calling both my scum partners confirmed Scum? PERFECT!
not doing preflips stop with this
In post 5996, Taly wrote:he's convinced that I'm spewing incoherent bullshit
you are you literally admitted to it lol
WTF WHEN?
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:39 pm
by Taly
Ugh I'm tired of this shitty faith disposition you're taking towards me.
In post 5904, Taly wrote:It just seems like a stance to take if you don't want resistance. And there is still an implication of a deepeolf and I'm not sure what about the gamestate gives you the impression that multiple scum have crossed.
I literally did not say that
Again
I actually attacked Toog for saying that.
Are you getting our posts mixed up?
I didn't say you said that. I just don't understand your POV being that multiple scum has crossed when we have already crossed people with decent confidence in the townbloc and you haven't been crossed yet.
Like, why is
peta
now scum, and why didn't you reevaluate your stance on
Ulya's
self-vote when I challenged you?
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Where did I ever once say I thought multiple scum had crossed already
I was joking about my Peta scumread come on I said so earlier
What stance on Ulya self vote? When Dwlee crossed and Ulya voted for themself? I feel like I already said I misunderstood the context of that and disregarded it. Doesn't mean my Ulya SR is going anyways.
Oh right you did.
OK fine I concede on the
Ulya
point but I don't understand why you'd joke on a
Peta
scumread.
I want a transparent readslist.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:43 pm
by Gamma Emerald
How long have you felt like the
Gypyx
slot was scum,
Cakez
?
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:44 pm
by SirCakez
I'm taking bad faith towards you because your scumread on me doesn't make any sense
I can accept when a townread scumreads me for reasons that make sense but your reasoning doesn't process for me at all
I actually thought he was town earlier but then he did like nothing in more recent times and then I really don't like A50's positioning here
that said it's not my strongest SR
In post 3265, unwnd wrote:I've gotten the vibes too but I also feel like Cakez is being all dah controversial slots while making a drool puddle and saying vote Dunn
But maybe that's townie too
it's just tiltingly bad philosophy because i can think of plenty of examples where people big brained themselves into thinking they had to go for the "controversial" or "spicy" flip because they didn't want to take the easy one
If toog flips scum this game, the egg is gonna be squarely on your face because of this post + your choices in the blue room
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:01 pm
by Taly
I think I'm just going to throw kitty GIFs at
Cakez
when he posts until I learn how to read him.
I'm so frustrated at the several times I've had a scumread this game and it's overwhelmingly contested or hardly anyone bats an eyelash. (
peta
Event 2,
Ydra
Event 3,
Cakez
Event 4 and 5.)
And then people ignore the points where I did scumread scum and question my interactions.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:02 pm
by Gamma Emerald
eh I'm probably at the point where I've seen enough to at least disclose who I want to cross, it's SirCakez VOTE: SirCakez
I fee like my current view of the gamestate, though still kinda foggy, indicates he's almost certainly town
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:03 pm
by Taly
I don't think I'm thinking clearly. Hyperactivity and RLS has gone way up lately. Probably need a day break from mafia.
pedit
Fine.
VOTE: SirCakez
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:04 pm
by Firebringer
take a break from mafia taly.
This game will be here tomorrow
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:05 pm
by Taly
Thank you
Fire <3
goodnight for real this time.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:05 pm
by Tamora's Angel
VOTE: TA
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:05 pm
by Gammagooey
Hey I'm back it's skitter case time
The Slightly Bad Feels
I'm going to start with a few things that I gut don't like but are frankly shrugworthy if they had actually had things that gave townvibes afterwards. Here's a borderline comedically bad readslist for instance with all flipped town except Pooky being either scum or 'weirded out by', Dunn being 'forgot he was there', and having no thoughts on who I think is likely scum Saber.
In post 0, Morning Tweet wrote:Cephrir - scumvibes
petapan - feels weird. idk if that makes him scum necessarily but yeah
ulyana - probably town
Ydrasse - scum-ish
Saber - no thoughts
PookyTheMagicalBear - maybe town?
SirCakez - probably town
skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness, etc
Gypyx - had some townpings on prism, but she isn't a slot i can read confidentally. liked gypyx's entrance tho
Infinity 324 - still kinda weirded out by her lack of reaction to me voting her, and i think she's townreading me too easily
Toogeloo - honestly feels too clueless/unaware of what's happening to be scum
Galron - very underwhelmed thus far. was p easy to pick out town-him in radio buzz but not really seeing the same things here yet. could be because he hasn't caught up so i'll give this a little more time but right now feels kinda scummy
Dunnstral - forgot he's in the game
Dwlee99 - scum
Taly - townie
Gamma Emerald - scum
idk you read me wrong in radio buzz i'm not really planning to try to sort you until lategame anyway
In post 509, skitter30 wrote:uh this is a weirdly muted reaction to me scumreading you ...
Shit like this in regards to the duel and people self-voting isn't specific to skitter but it's literally pointless paranoia - it was known that one of the two duelees were going to die, and being paranoid about literally anything except *maybe it's secretly better for one player to be the first wagon than the second* was a complete was of time and effort for everyone involved
i'm kinda suspicious that the suspicious people are voting themselves for this ...
THE MEAT OF THE CASE
Go back to page 49 and 50 and re-read it. like right now, go ahead. In retrospect, something that I think is very important happened there.
No seriously go back and read it yourself. But I'll give you the cliffnotes anyway - there was a quickwagon popping up on Dunn on page 49. You know what happened on the next page? Skitter posted SEVENTEEN TIMES on a single page in rapid succession, the Dunn wagon got ignored, and skitter started up a galron wagon on the next page instead. It was an ENORMOUS distraction to a scum wagon, and by page 53 this was the votecount:
Oh let's take a look at some more of skitter's iso regarding Dunn maybe it's better oh wait no it's skitter mentioning that Dunn is an okay/good vote several times but literally never voting him
In post 2550, Infinity 324 wrote:still though, i think that logic applies in the abstract whether or not you've seen someone's meta
i'm sort of wondering where else you're looking if not to dwlee (and maybe me) but then again unwnd hasn't really towntold yet
for the first point: strongly disagree, i think it very much depends on someone's meta and how they're likely to play the game
second point: dwlee/unwnd/dunn maybe ydra maybe maybe you
In post 2801, skitter30 wrote:I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote
In post 2759, Taly wrote:Unwnd, if you're going to rip into my soul, type quicker.
I got a curfew.
Also sorry but what does this mean wrt how ur reading unwnd?
I took his last post of "but actually" as a "will get to you
Taly
ASAP."
In post 2801, skitter30 wrote:I felt his mortal-kombat reaction just now doesnt come from scum-him
Dunn wouod also be a good vote
VOTE: Dunn
Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
Dunn
, do something.
Ah ok - was willing for a read/ur thoughts on the unwnd/ydra thing. Would u mind sharing that and/or requoting if i missed it
(Tomorrow is fine tho, night!)
And a dunn/unwnd duel would be cool
In post 3072, skitter30 wrote:i would put dunn instead of cakez yeah
i don't think i want infinity there
And then uh last thing that should arguably be in the first category but I just really don't like that it feels like skitter is dissassociating their actions from what they want to do with this statement, and knows they shouldn't be voting unwnd but is making an excuse for doing it anyway
skitter talking to unwnd wrote:pedit ok i can drop it if you don't want to do this. i don't think i can unvote at this time tho
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:10 pm
by SirCakez
Also I get the sense that A50 is trying to use the thing I just mentioned like accepting death to get townreads
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:11 pm
by Firebringer
does accepting death get townreads. from my experience it does nothing.
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:16 pm
by Gammagooey
oh, and very last part. I don't think this should be considered nearly as much as the above, but I also really, really dislike Harley Quinn's interactions with skitter in their short time in the Saber/HQ/Tamora playerslot. It goes from town reading skitter to having doubts because of this skitter post (with the reasoning of HQ thinking skitter has a really bad sr on her)
saber's slot has just kinda been around and just making kinda polished observations without follow-through and without really having an underlying thought process. kinda reminds me of scum-lilith in that way tbh. harley's entrance was focusing on the wrong things and was kinda scummy in that i think it's easier for scum to focus on mechancis in a game like this than figure out what their reads ought to be
and then later after some previous pretty innocuous (imo) conversation with skitter her then this
In post 4874, skitter30 wrote:i am but there's something missing in ur logic there that i'm not getting
Your positioning on gypyx looks more like a buddy than toog, because of your positioning on me.
Because if you’re scum, you’re setting me up to flip me first, then toog, so it looks like a possible chaining of miselims. I still think gypyx is extremely scummy but less certain on that now because of Prism.
I don’t understand your confidence on scum!toog either, so there’s that.
I VERY think this looks like scumVscum and as I've said for a few days the things that I am confident on is that skitter/Fire slot and HQ/Tamora slot should stay behind.
In post 3265, unwnd wrote:I've gotten the vibes too but I also feel like Cakez is being all dah controversial slots while making a drool puddle and saying vote Dunn
But maybe that's townie too
it's just tiltingly bad philosophy because i can think of plenty of examples where people big brained themselves into thinking they had to go for the "controversial" or "spicy" flip because they didn't want to take the easy one
If toog flips scum this game, the egg is gonna be squarely on your face because of this post + your choices in the blue room
gamma i've screwed up mafia games plenty of times before i'm not bothered by it (i mean blue room feels bad for obvious reasons, my process there was bad and sloppy)
goodnight for real this time.