Then again, it's whatever, Enchant is their own person.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:13 pm
by MathBlade
In post 6072, fireisredsir wrote:in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean
in what world does that person vote VP over cape here
The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP
Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it
In post 6072, fireisredsir wrote:in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean
in what world does that person vote VP over cape here
The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP
Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it
So you've changed your mind? Is that solely because I resigned and voted VP with you or because you're just actively opposing whatever I say I'll do.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:16 pm
by Titus
Because my concern is that we vote Cape, April gets vigged, then we vote VP and we just lose.
In post 6072, fireisredsir wrote:in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean
in what world does that person vote VP over cape here
The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP
Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it
So you've changed your mind? Is that solely because I resigned and voted VP with you or because you're just actively opposing whatever I say I'll do.
No. It’s more I think you’re scum and I can’t figure you out and recent posting makes other theories viable
You + VP and you bussing is also possible
I’d rather elim you but elimming in the hood is better in case you’re Steven Universing it
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:17 pm
by MathBlade
In post 6078, Titus wrote:Because my concern is that we vote Cape, April gets vigged, then we vote VP and we just lose.
Then we lose as a town.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:17 pm
by Titus
*shrug*
I'll just trust Enchant will shoot in my scumpool.
Tell me which person to vote.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:18 pm
by MathBlade
You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement
In post 6082, MathBlade wrote:You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement
Huh?
We elim x, vig y, elim Z the game is lost.
X y and z if all town same statement
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:22 pm
by fireisredsir
like anyone who is town, I beg you, read through this progression and tell me that comes from town. this is scum titus who is BEGGING for a vp flip despite her saying that she will vote anyone else to save him and that she strongly townreads him. she even asked eyes, one of her strongest scumreads at the time, to vote with her on VP to end the day. how do y'all not see this
In post 5349, MathBlade wrote:Fire tene and myself surely all can’t be “agency captured”.
Why do you feel this way?
Where is the cognitive dissonance?
Is it simply you TR VP?
I answered the cog dis above.
I feel strongly that VP is town. While I doubt you're all agency captured, you are led astray. When you post things that don't jive with my read of the thread, we need to figure out who is wrong if they are agency captured or scum.
In post 5420, Titus wrote:Why Cape? Does it not bother anyone that I am the only person tring vp?
In post 5467, MathBlade wrote:It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town
Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.
Town cannibalizing its loud vocal players strongly indicates pride. Namely, slots are getting scumread because they oppose other vocal townread slots.
How many people contributed to today beyond saying VP is a good/ok elimination? There's far too many players that sat back and let this elimination go through. Scum have no interest in saving VP.
In post 5472, Titus wrote:Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.
In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me
???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.
Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?
Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day
Yes. If I was scum with VP, I'd have him shut up. Reads only give town more to work with. Particularly the rule of 3. If VP is scum here, I'll eat my hat.*
*Not a bet, just a confidence expression.
In post 5564, Titus wrote:I feel it's wrong to want the day over with but I kinda do. I don't see a way VP is saved, he doesn't want to be here, he's given final reads and I don't see what else we learn. Fighting for fighting's sake only hurts us.
In post 5576, Nero Cain wrote:I would like to resolve VP today, if we really can't get him Titus is fine but VP should have been flipped yesterday. All his stuff about being a good hunter and a net positive for town is just bluster. Don't let him fool you.
While I disagree with a VP elimination, I know he can't live until elo without a clear. A clear is unlikely to happen with yeet's flip. I'd rather admit I lost the argument and try again tomorrow than drag the town through a screaming match that is likely to fail and demotivate us further without a scumread of my own. In the rare event I am wrong, then I fully expect to be vigged tonight or eliminated tomorrow and I've made my peace with that. I think game health needs VP dead no matter how much I disagree.
In post 5585, Titus wrote:Eyes, thoughts about VP and ending this day?
In post 5590, fireisredsir wrote:titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed
can we just get this instead
I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.
In post 5597, fireisredsir wrote:titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero one
Literally everyone else is avoiding a comment on Nero. There are plenty of fake votes on VP from slots such as Deas. If I could get Nero, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's just not happening.
In post 5614, fireisredsir wrote:titus behavior here just makes no sense from town pov. she's not solving. it's all positioning and political
april pls come back
No. I have solved a chunk of the game. VP April Galron Math and Enchant are my core even if they don't or can't work together. I think that's enough to trap scum, even a deep wolf.
In post 5801, Titus wrote:If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.
In post 5878, Titus wrote:That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.
I mean about scum not being in the hood.
I'm not certain there are. I townread everyone in the hood. Could I be wrong on one? Absolutely. That's why I'm not resisting but documenting my objection. People can support opinions by disagreeing by defending me as town without actually agreeing by Titus is saying that Titus is town but wrong. It encourages people to keep me, and thus my voice, alive.
You’re the only one who thinks everyone in the hood is town is my point. You’re actively pushing where scum likely aren’t.
I laid out that scum are just as likely in the hood rather than out.
Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?
In post 5921, Titus wrote:Then just vote VP math and I'll vote VP and we can end the day. SCorpious and VP will follow.
So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood
So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.
And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice
So then it checks them both
Flipping someone rarely proves someone else. You're directing the charge today. Flip who you want. If VP is actually scum, flipping him would be harder. We could leash the vig in this situation. That might be helpful.
In post 6068, Titus wrote:So we follow your theory. You don't get distracted.
VOTE: VP
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:24 pm
by Titus
Fire, I'm just done with this game. I don't want anyone else to sub in. It's chaotic and stupid. Most of the scum are shielded from even being considered for an elimination while Math plays to eliminate the "charismatic" people he can't persuade. Namely, my townblock. Scum will never kill him, making a scum elimination damn near impossible. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be. Right now, I'm putting my hands in Enchant and I'm not even sure if he's a vig but he probably is.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:25 pm
by MathBlade
In post 6088, fireisredsir wrote:like anyone who is town, I beg you, read through this progression and tell me that comes from town. this is scum titus who is BEGGING for a vp flip despite her saying that she will vote anyone else to save him and that she strongly townreads him. she even asked eyes, one of her strongest scumreads at the time, to vote with her on VP to end the day. how do y'all not see this
In post 5349, MathBlade wrote:Fire tene and myself surely all can’t be “agency captured”.
Why do you feel this way?
Where is the cognitive dissonance?
Is it simply you TR VP?
I answered the cog dis above.
I feel strongly that VP is town. While I doubt you're all agency captured, you are led astray. When you post things that don't jive with my read of the thread, we need to figure out who is wrong if they are agency captured or scum.
In post 5420, Titus wrote:Why Cape? Does it not bother anyone that I am the only person tring vp?
In post 5467, MathBlade wrote:It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town
Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.
Town cannibalizing its loud vocal players strongly indicates pride. Namely, slots are getting scumread because they oppose other vocal townread slots.
How many people contributed to today beyond saying VP is a good/ok elimination? There's far too many players that sat back and let this elimination go through. Scum have no interest in saving VP.
In post 5472, Titus wrote:Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.
In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me
???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.
Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?
Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day
Yes. If I was scum with VP, I'd have him shut up. Reads only give town more to work with. Particularly the rule of 3. If VP is scum here, I'll eat my hat.*
*Not a bet, just a confidence expression.
In post 5564, Titus wrote:I feel it's wrong to want the day over with but I kinda do. I don't see a way VP is saved, he doesn't want to be here, he's given final reads and I don't see what else we learn. Fighting for fighting's sake only hurts us.
In post 5576, Nero Cain wrote:I would like to resolve VP today, if we really can't get him Titus is fine but VP should have been flipped yesterday. All his stuff about being a good hunter and a net positive for town is just bluster. Don't let him fool you.
While I disagree with a VP elimination, I know he can't live until elo without a clear. A clear is unlikely to happen with yeet's flip. I'd rather admit I lost the argument and try again tomorrow than drag the town through a screaming match that is likely to fail and demotivate us further without a scumread of my own. In the rare event I am wrong, then I fully expect to be vigged tonight or eliminated tomorrow and I've made my peace with that. I think game health needs VP dead no matter how much I disagree.
In post 5585, Titus wrote:Eyes, thoughts about VP and ending this day?
In post 5590, fireisredsir wrote:titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed
can we just get this instead
I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.
In post 5597, fireisredsir wrote:titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero one
Literally everyone else is avoiding a comment on Nero. There are plenty of fake votes on VP from slots such as Deas. If I could get Nero, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's just not happening.
In post 5614, fireisredsir wrote:titus behavior here just makes no sense from town pov. she's not solving. it's all positioning and political
april pls come back
No. I have solved a chunk of the game. VP April Galron Math and Enchant are my core even if they don't or can't work together. I think that's enough to trap scum, even a deep wolf.
In post 5801, Titus wrote:If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.
In post 5878, Titus wrote:That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.
I mean about scum not being in the hood.
I'm not certain there are. I townread everyone in the hood. Could I be wrong on one? Absolutely. That's why I'm not resisting but documenting my objection. People can support opinions by disagreeing by defending me as town without actually agreeing by Titus is saying that Titus is town but wrong. It encourages people to keep me, and thus my voice, alive.
You’re the only one who thinks everyone in the hood is town is my point. You’re actively pushing where scum likely aren’t.
I laid out that scum are just as likely in the hood rather than out.
Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?
In post 5921, Titus wrote:Then just vote VP math and I'll vote VP and we can end the day. SCorpious and VP will follow.
So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood
So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.
And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice
So then it checks them both
Flipping someone rarely proves someone else. You're directing the charge today. Flip who you want. If VP is actually scum, flipping him would be harder. We could leash the vig in this situation. That might be helpful.
In post 6068, Titus wrote:So we follow your theory. You don't get distracted.
VOTE: VP
Titus is unfortunately illogical as every alignment to me
*hides in blushies*
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm
by MathBlade
In post 6089, Titus wrote:Fire, I'm just done with this game. I don't want anyone else to sub in. It's chaotic and stupid. Most of the scum are shielded from even being considered for an elimination while Math plays to eliminate the "charismatic" people he can't persuade. Namely, my townblock. Scum will never kill him, making a scum elimination damn near impossible. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be. Right now, I'm putting my hands in Enchant and I'm not even sure if he's a vig but he probably is.
I want to elim in the hood
I also want to verify Boon.
Cape or VP does either
Boon picks problem solved.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm
by Scorpious
Are we serious with how much we’re posting?
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:27 pm
by Titus
I'll admit I'm done being logical. There's pride, denial and acceptance. At first, I had a reasonable belief that I could communicate and possibly get wagons going on people who might be scum. Then, I began to be in denial about how powerless I was. Then I fought how powerless I was by demonstrating how bullshit this position is of only threatening people in the hood. Then I finally accepted that this game is in Enchant's hands and I'm just doing whatever.