Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

I mean, its not spite spite like I dislike you so much that I'm intentionally ignoring the game to spite you just that I don't trust that your mena read is truthful.

[SCP 682]

I agree Flavor is likely mafia on balance of things

this really irks me. Like what do you know about the games balance?

there's a flipped town voyer

a flipped wolf bookie

2 claimed 1x gs

a vt claim

a parity cop claim

a monkery and a masonary.

I might be forgetting some claims but I don't see how a town you, with the same info as me, can determine whether or not a vig exists based on balance.

There was a masonry based vig in the original run of the setup theme so lol

[SCP 682]

I mean, its not spite spite like I dislike you so much that I'm intentionally ignoring the game to spite you just that I don't trust that your mena read is truthful.

Well I think you should try reevaling if you reached similar scumreads as me for mafia after I already outted my reads there.

Mena likes to be a lurkfuck as scum and loses a lot of steam as the game goes - and that's present here, and he has no fire in his play.

VOTE: Malcom

Let's do this, aight?

[Nero Cain]

pretty sure I was calling yd-butter scum before you did, not that I really care. My Malcolm thing is just that he was going to bat for Butterchurn and that "Boon is scum based on balance." just seems wildly dumb.

mena seems like a useless lurksack regardless of alignment so...

[Flavor Leaf]

I agree Flavor is likely mafia on balance of things

this really irks me. Like what do you know about the games balance?

there's a flipped town voyer

a flipped wolf bookie

2 claimed 1x gs

a vt claim

a parity cop claim

a monkery and a masonary.

I might be forgetting some claims but I don't see how a town you, with the same info as me, can determine whether or not a vig exists based on balance.

You forgot the Beloved Princess claim by your top scum read.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: malcolm

[SCP 682]

pretty sure I was calling yd-butter scum before you did, not that I really care. My Malcolm thing is just that he was going to bat for Butterchurn and that "Boon is scum based on balance." just seems wildly dumb.

mena seems like a useless lurksack regardless of alignment so...

butter I called out d1 but I kinda got converted to it and I had a strong townread on Norwee so i thought they were town but I was willing to reconsider bc of a recent game I just finished where I misread norwee horribly

but yes maybe u are right but I still uh didnt just copy your reads.

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I ever accused you of that.

[Save The Dragons]

we're choo chooing on malcolm now lezgo

[Save The Dragons]

[Sword of Ducks]

somehow this awoke a latent memory.

[Sword of Ducks]

Found it. It's definitely the next series I'll try to read after I get through the H. P. Lovecraft collection currently stuck in my school locker.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: butterchurn

[tictac]

skimmed
confirm masonry is as klick says
dunno why we not doing leaf, i'll read thu w more focus later tonight
not against scratchy i guess

[MalcolmTucker]

I mean, its not spite spite like I dislike you so much that I'm intentionally ignoring the game to spite you just that I don't trust that your mena read is truthful.

Well I think you should try reevaling if you reached similar scumreads as me for mafia after I already outted my reads there.

Mena likes to be a lurkfuck as scum and loses a lot of steam as the game goes - and that's present here, and he has no fire in his play.

VOTE: Malcom

Let's do this, aight?

Fire ahead. I'm town but my reads have been useless this game, struggling to get a feel for it.

[Nero Cain]

eh.......

[tictac]

UNVOTE: ND

I know Mala voted a guilty claim and it's usually the right thing to do, but there are a few things that give me doubt without the guilty being fake. So I'd like to compare who wants FL dead with the VCs.

1) FL claiming at night start. While I can't see it, FL wouldn't lie there as multiple people could CC him. Well we could have a whole random neighbor bullshit but unlikely.
2) The limited kill mechanic - The amount of nightkills/heals required to believe FL is not a vig. Heals/kill stops are very unlikely n1 due to the sheer number of possible heal targets and the lack of information. At least the werewolf kill was non-existent/healed/stopped/did not occur. Given the penalty to killing, it makes it very much less likely that FL matched a scum kill target.
3) FL is consistent - Shooting someone that was impossible to eliminate despite feeling there's great evidence makes sense. It also helps his townreads.
4) Ease to lim catboi - A catboi kill, unless mafia were tunneling him all day, doesn't make sense particularly given the cost. They would know, at a minimum, there would be two slots always willing to vote catboi/RCE. Even if we supposed FL scum, he would know that a catboi elimination would always be a strategically preferred elimination.
5) Catboi alive protects FL partners - With catboi alive, it shields his teammates because of the repeated wagon unless of course FL's team was flailing like desperate chickens to eliminate catboi.

~Titus

none gonna cc leaf and nothing gonna happen if they do.
it's leaf and fakeclaims are like confetti

how r u arguing both?
catboi easy 2 lim -> leaf cant be maf
catboi impossible to lim -> leaf must be vig

[tictac]

people really intentionally ignoring the fact FL claimed vig during the night phase before any of these "guilties" came out

For what it's worth I've taken FL out of my malefactor read.

lol
i have 0 idea what u doing today

[tictac]

Because that's exactly what he would do if he was mafia.

yea

[tictac]

Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

this i'm ok with
leaf u willing?

[Menalque]

mena seems like a useless lurksack regardless of alignment so...

Yes, that’s definitely how I got like 20,000 posts in about 2 years, by being a lurksack in my games

[Menalque]

This game just isn’t and hasn’t been fun for ages but I feel that repping out ruins game integrity so I’m sticking with it at minimal activity hoping that either I get limmed or that enough people get limmed that I start wanting to play again

[tictac]

I don't buy FL's kill conditions.

[tictac]

DOesn't make sense that vig kill condition is related to possible scum being alive.

Like, you can kill, but if a scum player in your monastary dies you can't kill anymore?

That's actually a perfectly valid vig gate.

from balance pow yea.
it looks designed in a game that's about randomness.

[Klick]

This game just isn’t and hasn’t been fun for ages but I feel that repping out ruins game integrity so I’m sticking with it at minimal activity hoping that either I get limmed or that enough people get limmed that I start wanting to play again

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