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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:18 am
by Almost50
In post 6089, superbowl9 wrote:DO NOT EXECUTE OUTSIDE THE CONF GROUP UNLESS YOU DENY BASIC MATH OR ARE TRYING TO LOSE THE GAME
I explained the MATHS for you before. It's 33.33% shot in the group and 50% outside if we are using total randomness.

But my question isn't even about that anymore. I want to give the "other" 3P group a good chance to win too, so THAT is why I am considering leaving ddl alive to be D4's elimination.

Your vote is noted though.

ddl (1): sb
shelly/Chemist (0):

Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Bell, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl

See how courteous and graceful I am? Even SCUM get to speak their minds in my court.

But I';; even go one step further and say this:

I am more interested in the
theoretical
correct play advice from S_S, mastina & jjh
precisely. Those will have a bit more weight than the other votes.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:21 am
by superbowl9
Uhhhh you DID NOT explain that math to me, you explained to me in PT that if you make a read assumption than you have a minorly better chance to hit scum outside the conf block. You might want to check because i believe youve left me out of something

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:22 am
by Bell
I vote for chemist.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:22 am
by Almost50
In post 6095, superbowl9 wrote:Agreed that we have an easy DDL elim tomorrow so it makes sense to go within PP/jjh, unless you majorly townread them A50 in which case go DDL.
I already explained I do TR them both, jjh more so. Gamma
shaded
the Ascetic claim, saying it reminded him of what HE did as scum before. That was TOTALLY UNNEEDED shade on a Scum p, and would have been best left unsaid.

Pickaxe was damn too early on Gamma's wagon and stayed the course. It could be, but is unlikely to be an early bus.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:23 am
by MathBlade
The math seems wrong but right?

If you’re making the assumption there has to be at least one scum between Shelly and Chemist it works

But then you’re literally assuming what you’re trying to prove.

That is like me doing a list of A50 and going look “100% chance of scum”

That’s not how math works lmao.

#Math can’t shut up

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:24 am
by Almost50
ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:24 am
by superbowl9
So explain this to me real quick. Let’s for some reason say you can assume with 100% certainty the scum distribution is 3-1 in large-confirmed groups. You’re telling me you get to narrow down the big pool to 3/6 because you have townreads but the small group stays at 33% no matter what?? YOU’RE NOT USING CORRECT MATH.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:26 am
by NorwegianboyEE
I'm more of an social studies kinda guy. I don't know anything about math tbh.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:27 am
by MathBlade
In post 6105, Almost50 wrote:ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl
Apparently I don’t get a vote either :(
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:28 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 6108, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6105, Almost50 wrote:ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl
Apparently I don’t get a vote either :(
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)
Comedy isn't your strong point is it? :P

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:28 am
by superbowl9
When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:30 am
by MathBlade
In post 6109, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 6108, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6105, Almost50 wrote:ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl
Apparently I don’t get a vote either :(
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)
Comedy isn't your strong point is it? :P
Not really. That’s why I wanted to make sure people didn’t think it was serious considering my prior serious arguments of the 3Ps hogging the game.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:34 am
by Almost50
In post 6104, MathBlade wrote:The math seems wrong but right?

If you’re making the assumption there has to be at least one scum between Shelly and Chemist it works

But then you’re literally assuming what you’re trying to prove.

That is like me doing a list of A50 and going look “100% chance of scum”

That’s not how math works lmao.

#Math can’t shut up
Actually I was making the assumption 3 scums are in Chemist/shelly/Taylor/TGP/DS/Pickaxe, and I now realize my mistake was to count Pickaxe towards BOTH groups (the 3 mod provided and the 6 outside), but he is still by far the weakest DR (if I even could call him a SR), so recalculating it becomes a 100% shot on ddl or a 60% on shelly/Chemist, which is still misleading because I am calling them both utterly confident reads and I am not shooting Taylor/TGP/DS today.

So, it's a choice between (what I personally perceive as) a 100% shot on ddl, or a 75% shot on shelly/Chemist, and the reason I want to take the risk is to secure tomorrow's elimination on the highest of all probability to flip Scum, so that we could keep our allies in the game rather than make their win con harder and possibly a bit more divergent from ours.

It a political move as a well as logical one to me.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:35 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Ok, my suggestion is shoot Shelly.
I agree on the premise of securing DDL as an more guaranteed scum elimination for tommorow.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:36 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Tbh i'm fine with Chemist too, but Shelly is more dangerous if scum.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:37 am
by Almost50
In post 6107, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm more of an social studies kinda guy. I don't know anything about math tbh.
Is that "Math" McConaughey or Math-U Perry??

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:38 am
by Almost50
In post 6108, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6105, Almost50 wrote:ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl
Apparently I don’t get a vote either :(
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)
Isn't "Math" short of your handle?

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:39 am
by MathBlade
I mean yes. If you assume you’re right you’re right.

If I assume 3 scum are your hood at the onset then I get a 100% chance if there being scum in your hood.

It’s circular logic.

If I assume I am the moderator there is a 100% chance of me being the moderator.

Wrong assumptions can lead to false conclusions.

That’s why as superbowl said you don’t assume.

Imho there’s still plenty of ways to get Titus’s hood their wincon.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:39 am
by Almost50
In post 6110, superbowl9 wrote:When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina
Why would I be bloody shooting someone I bloody TOWN READ?

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:40 am
by MathBlade
In post 6116, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6108, MathBlade wrote:
In post 6105, Almost50 wrote:ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl
Apparently I don’t get a vote either :(
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)
Isn't "Math" short of your handle?
(I had voted for DDL execution before that post. )

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:41 am
by MathBlade
In post 6118, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6110, superbowl9 wrote:When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina
Why would I be bloody shooting someone I bloody TOWN READ?
You wouldn’t but that doesn’t make you right.

You’re putting in the assumption you’re right to justify percentages.

Math is done without reads even if you’d never shoot there.

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:41 am
by superbowl9
In post 6112, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6104, MathBlade wrote:The math seems wrong but right?

If you’re making the assumption there has to be at least one scum between Shelly and Chemist it works

But then you’re literally assuming what you’re trying to prove.

That is like me doing a list of A50 and going look “100% chance of scum”

That’s not how math works lmao.

#Math can’t shut up
Actually I was making the assumption 3 scums are in Chemist/shelly/Taylor/TGP/DS/Pickaxe, and I now realize my mistake was to count Pickaxe towards BOTH groups (the 3 mod provided and the 6 outside), but he is still by far the weakest DR (if I even could call him a SR), so recalculating it becomes a 100% shot on ddl or a 60% on shelly/Chemist, which is still misleading because I am calling them both utterly confident reads and I am not shooting Taylor/TGP/DS today.

So, it's a choice between (what I personally perceive as) a 100% shot on ddl, or a 75% shot on shelly/Chemist, and the reason I want to take the risk is to secure tomorrow's elimination on the highest of all probability to flip Scum, so that we could keep our allies in the game rather than make their win con harder and possibly a bit more divergent from ours.

It a political move as a well as logical one to me.
The whole point of math is that you can’t trust reads. If you shoot outside the conf 3 and hit I will have no complaints. If you miss I am officially pressing the mute button on dumb PT ideas because so far every single one has worked out poorly. I have to pull everyones teeth just to stop trying to make fancy 5head plays

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:42 am
by MathBlade
In post 6115, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6107, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm more of an social studies kinda guy. I don't know anything about math tbh.
Is that "Math" McConaughey or Math-U Perry??
Alright Alright Alright I guess we’re doing this then lol. (I pick McConaughey I get a nice car ad out of it)

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:42 am
by superbowl9
In post 6118, Almost50 wrote:
In post 6110, superbowl9 wrote:When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina
Why would I be bloody shooting someone I bloody TOWN READ?
PT info but if you don’t care about that just shoot DDL is what i’ve been telling you

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:43 am
by Almost50
In post 6117, MathBlade wrote:If I assume 3 scum are your hood at the onset then I get a 100% chance if there being scum in your hood.
On what grounds? I mean, I gave you the premises of my assumptions, so don't argue using a "random" assumption. I want one supported ny evidence for you to make it.