Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[Gamma Emerald]

Taly: purgatory
Gamma Emerald: hell
petapan: heaven
Gammagooey: heaven
Ydrasse: purgatory
Cakez: hell
Ulyana: heaven
TA: hell

This read list highlights a problem I have with your play that might be scum-indicative: your suspicion of me and Cakez don’t feel based in any logic at this point. You’ve

constantly

had it out for us, and I can’t think of a real reason why you’d be acting this way aside from you just pushing some scum agenda.

[Ydrasse]

feel like taly knows i am town and then makes believe i might not be

Ulya

, you give me a headache sometimes.

Ulya is probably town as you've already concluded.

this is what i meant though, it is like you make show of doing something to sort me, then conclude i am town, but then a little while later treat it as if my slot is one you still have to look closely at instead of others like why would you want to start with my interactions when peta/ydrasse would be two birds with the almost50 thing you said you wanted to look at and you and gamma emerald just say the other is town while refusing to look closely at each other’s actions and instead are like ‘let’s sort ulyana again (even though she’s town) and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me

and you say i am probably town but won’t consider for heaven like it just the same loop even though actually doing any of the hard work detective stuff you make show of doing gives same result - that i am town - because!!! i am town

There are 6 town. I'm heavening people based on the confidence and strength of my townread. Yes, this is subject to change, but I currently feel solid about my choices and that's not to outright suggest that you are scum..

if i ate you can i go to heaven

[ulyana]

Taly: purgatory
Gamma Emerald: hell
petapan: heaven
Gammagooey: heaven
Ydrasse: purgatory
Cakez: hell
Ulyana: heaven
TA: hell

This read list highlights a problem I have with your play that might be scum-indicative: your suspicion of me and Cakez don’t feel based in any logic at this point. You’ve

constantly

had it out for us, and I can’t think of a real reason why you’d be acting this way aside from you just pushing some scum agenda.

have i not pointed out those reasons like sure you obviously would disagree with the ones regarding your slot but which of those regarding sircakez are you calling illogical exactly?

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's work to be as cohesive as possible.

How about we do a table for who to Heven.

Place your name on the player you want to Heaven. You can go more than or even less than 4 players.

Taly: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald
Gamma Emerald: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald
petapan: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald
Gammagooey: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald
Ydrasse:
Cakez: GEmerald
Ulyana: Ulyana
TA:

[ulyana]

Is thus an accurate depixtion if your vote, Ulya

not really no

also with two mafias alive what is this table meant to accomplish

[Taly]

Honestly

ydra

in this current moment out of the bottom 4 I like you as town the most.

But I'm going to put a pin in that because I'm going to return return the thread later with ISOs.

But that might be until later tomorrow. Got a very busy schedule and I'm heading out of town for my birthday to spend the day with family this weekend

So I might actually go VLA again.

[ulyana]

Got a very busy schedule and I'm heading out of town for my birthday to spend the day with family this weekend

happy birthday +)

[Taly]

Thanks!

[Ydrasse]

happy bdaaaaay

[Gamma Emerald]

have i not pointed out those reasons like sure you obviously would disagree with the ones regarding your slot but which of those regarding sircakez are you calling illogical exactly?

It’s not really the reads themselves that register as illogical, it’s the total lack of any sort of reconsideration based on anything that’s gone on this game. You seriously think Dunn clashes with not just me but also Cakez in the way he did as partners with us? You think I scrape out as much of my blood, sweat and tears that I have this game as scum? I can go hard early on as scum but there’s pretty much

always

a drop in dedication, that I straight up have not had when we’re already at least half-done with the game.

[ulyana]

have i not pointed out those reasons like sure you obviously would disagree with the ones regarding your slot but which of those regarding sircakez are you calling illogical exactly?

It’s not really the reads themselves that register as illogical, it’s the total lack of any sort of reconsideration based on anything that’s gone on this game. You seriously think Dunn clashes with not just me but also Cakez in the way he did as partners with us? You think I scrape out as much of my blood, sweat and tears that I have this game as scum? I can go hard early on as scum but there’s pretty much

always

a drop in dedication, that I straight up have not had when we’re already at least half-done with the game.

? i feel like i’ve reconsidered your slot twelve times this game and your ‘blood sweat tears’ argument is every bit as applicable to me, so,

is this the only reason sircakez is town to you? interactions with dunnstral that sircakez was part of drawing attention to and suspicion of me?

and i feel like interactions with dunnstral were likely intentionally shaped yes especially based and skitter’s interactions with the slot and dunnstral’s willingness to 50/50 the duel, like this still seems like very suboptimal mafia plan regarding the duel, but now i am trying to make the most sense of it i can now

[ulyana]

? i feel like i’ve reconsidered your slot twelve times this game and your ‘blood sweat tears’ argument is every bit as applicable to me, so,

like you’re scumreading me for the same thing you’re saying i should be townreading you for

sometimes people say this thing about scum assigning their feelings to others that might be applicable here though i have never actually looked into how often this occurs as it seemed too daunting a task

[petapan]

Peta

is snuggly.

dawww

Any thought that serves a

TA

Town narrative?

there is the vague gamestate-y read that skitter's total complacency in Event 5 was potentially non-partner indicative, although i don't know how much i believe that. certainly not enough to say yeah let's save TA. there's also other stuff that concerns me

Elaborate on Ydra day 2 progression?

I think a good thing to note is that if it's Ydra/TA, it very well fits my gamestatw read that scum has protected each other up to this point. Do you think Ydra could've been protecting a partner even though she was expressing an unpopular opinion about a teammate so openly?

It almost feels quite obvious for scumplay, or perhaps this Town is just really sharp.

mmmf problem with that is, ydrasse was protecting the unpopular TA while conceding the skitter slot that people actually wanted to save which dosen't make a ton of sense as i mused last night

anyway skitter was encouraging my push on ydrasse in Event 2 and even voted her briefly although they did the weird ydrasse selfvote/skitter unvote dance, but that'd be kind of screwy as scum theater

and notable that while skitter was accomodating/encouraging of votes on dunn her own vote and attention went elsewhere her own vote never went on dunn, doesn't seem like much of a coherent scum plan

What is odd about this readslist ?

I can name a few things, but I want to hear what you think.

mainly it's just him holding the skitter slot in null despite the other post i quoted about not liking skitter's entrance, lack of eview there, letting it be a suspect but having it above several town

[Gamma Emerald]

have i not pointed out those reasons like sure you obviously would disagree with the ones regarding your slot but which of those regarding sircakez are you calling illogical exactly?

It’s not really the reads themselves that register as illogical, it’s the total lack of any sort of reconsideration based on anything that’s gone on this game. You seriously think Dunn clashes with not just me but also Cakez in the way he did as partners with us? You think I scrape out as much of my blood, sweat and tears that I have this game as scum? I can go hard early on as scum but there’s pretty much

always

a drop in dedication, that I straight up have not had when we’re already at least half-done with the game.

? i feel like i’ve reconsidered your slot twelve times this game and your ‘blood sweat tears’ argument is every bit as applicable to me, so,

is this the only reason sircakez is town to you? interactions with dunnstral that sircakez was part of drawing attention to and suspicion of me?

and i feel like interactions with dunnstral were likely intentionally shaped yes especially based and skitter’s interactions with the slot and dunnstral’s willingness to 50/50 the duel, like this still seems like very suboptimal mafia plan regarding the duel, but now i am trying to make the most sense of it i can now

Can you provide meta examples to back up your effort levels being higher as town? I can definitely present games where I displayed that “high-octane early, running on fumes late” scumplay. And like, I think a part of why your activity spikes seem problematic is I feel like both of them, especially the first one, felt like they were responding to your game being put in jeopardy. That sort of drive in response to external factors is something that I honestly find a little foreign and as such it registers as innately scummy I think. That’s based in real life for me, as extrinsic motivation pretty much never functions for me.
For Cakez, it’s also probably some level of acceptance that “yeah peta has a point”, and also, I feel like my entire Dwlee/Cakez/Toog thing was just a mixture of stagnant suspicion and paranoia so I’m trying to expurgate those feelings.
You mentioning Dunn interactions makes me go back to how pretty much all of you/Dunn/Saber took my attempts to kick up some dust in the game in what feels like a really bad way. Idk how skitter reacted to my own actions but I remember others mentioning her reaction to Dunn getting pressured was not great, so it seems like it is likely all the scum were generally on edge in that moment.

[petapan]

Skitter + infinity team? Maybe?

this is a shitty reaction to 488

Indeed it was
Kinda like cakez here tbh

Cakez I was so ready to sheep your Toog read and then you called my post shitty so now I don't trust your reads sorry

I kinda hate all of ur posts tbh

Pedit idk if i agree witb his reads per se but i kinda like his vibe + openness abt not being motivated

ah here we go

Cephrir - scumvibes
petapan - feels weird. idk if that makes him scum necessarily but yeah
ulyana - probably town
Ydrasse - scum-ish
Saber - no thoughts
PookyTheMagicalBear - maybe town?
SirCakez - probably town
skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness, etc
Gypyx - had some townpings on prism, but she isn't a slot i can read confidentally. liked gypyx's entrance tho
Infinity 324 - still kinda weirded out by her lack of reaction to me voting her, and i think she's townreading me too easily
Toogeloo - honestly feels too clueless/unaware of what's happening to be scum
Galron - very underwhelmed thus far. was p easy to pick out town-him in radio buzz but not really seeing the same things here yet. could be because he hasn't caught up so i'll give this a little more time but right now feels kinda scummy
Dunnstral - forgot he's in the game
Dwlee99 - scum
Taly - townie
Gamma Emerald - scum

here's where i'm at ^

I weirdly expect more reasoning from a scum Cakez after WH13.

i viscerally hate the takes he is putting out though

what are you finding so bad about them exactly
idk if i disagree with his reads but they aren't like producing any sort of visceral reaction for me, and i kinda think he believes what he's saying ...
also does this not translate to a scumread?

Also Galron might be scum

:upvote:

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

wait where did this happen, i thought u were scumreading him

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

uh i strongly disagree with u

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

uh i strongly disagree with u

Elaborate? His early ISO just from skim had a ton of landmines. My readrate on Cakez is pretty decent as well. He spent a lot of time being in that mode of 'ugh need to catch up'

where he makes idle comments while not really interfering with what's going on

.

not sure what the landmines are, but i thought he was p good tonally early on
i remember liking how open he was abt he little he wanted to catch up - i think scum who doesn't want to play scum at least tries to mask that 'ugh i don't want to be here feeling'
also i'm not sure the bolded is scum-indicative for him particularly

Elaborate? His early ISO just from skim had a ton of landmines. My readrate on Cakez is pretty decent as well. He spent a lot of time being in that mode of 'ugh need to catch up' where he makes idle comments while not really interfering with what's going on.

weird he always feels like this to me

yeah this
like i'm not sure how you're distinguishing between 'cakez doing what he often does' and 'cakez scum'

@unwnd iirc the sort of thing you're pushing cakez for is what i was pushign him for in perpetual elo
not sure i find this super compelling

well at least we know that unwnd/galron doesn't make sense with sircakez now

ngl @unwnd this kinda looks like you trying to find a shiny new misflip to distract people from ur slot

You'd be wrong and like I said, the outcome is the same to me. I'm going to use my time efficiently

So far it just seems like all we can do is disagree, but I'm not really understanding why. It's one thing to think Galron is scum and another to use phrasings that derive you're not willing to give me any quarter at all.

i am willing to give you quarter and listen to you, but i think that the things you're choosing to talk about thus far are strange from town-you's pov and i don't like the cakez push

[petapan]

this is just all from page 1 of skitter's iso

you can say maybe it was whiteknighting but you have to ask yourself why she went all in on a TMI read on one town and hard defended him like seemingly no one else

[petapan]

Skitter + infinity team? Maybe?

this is a shitty reaction to 488

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

E-1

I'm going to hammer I guess. I think we need a flip, or at least a view of how these days are going to go down.

@galron like 3 posts on top of this u said u werenr sure if gamma is scum + u arent really caughr up / into the game yet. This intent is super premature in that context and doesnt really make sense

Ngl i'm starting to get some cold feet abt gamma
There's been like no resistance, the wagon comp keeps changing, and i dont like how people are popping out of the woodwork to vote him

Kind of just want to sheep you all game here

My point there was I am constantly mind melding with Ceph and it doesn't make sense for him to be scum with that in mind

wait where did this happen, i thought u were scumreading him

a little while ago I posted about it, I changed my read

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

I could sheep these
Dunn feels extremely underwhelming
And I didn't like Uly's response to being accused

i'm not sure anyone's putting you in the poe cuz you're inactive
(that reminds me i am actually wondering where cakez is tho ...)

~
dwlee if you're able to can you give like a bit about why you're liking the not-event-pool slots?

hi i will be here shortly sorry
fall break gonna fall break

atm I'm willing to vote Peta, Dunn, Infinity

why peta

I TR other people more and he fits into a scumteam that sabotaged that event

Spare

whatever I'm fine with this

Haven't read but can we spare and move on please

on reread this was scummy

why

I think Dunn's way of defense bodes well for him being town

Yes there's something fucky going with this game and I don't want you to sit here and conclude I'm only trying to save Galron from a red flip

mmmm don't like this

i'm not sure if that last post is addressed to me or ulyana

~
also iforgot to say this earlier but i'm kinda losing my earlier townread of infinity

infinity just seems so absent and uninfluential it's really weird and makes me think they are scum too

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I'm placing this quite yet. Gut would say on Saber or SirCakez. The former seems controversial and the latter I don't wanna have another game where me and Skitter are just in disagreement but happen to be the same alignment. I was a bit taken aback but her strong words but I'm starting to think that's how she is? I'm more familiar with her towngame but don't have data on her scumgame basically.

i am feeling you don't actually believe I am scum here
which is not good vibe
and this is also kind of buddying Skitter
maybe i was just wrong about Galron WIFOM and it's straightforward

I will happily duel with Unwnd
FYI
but also Unwnd and Dunn dueling would be hype
I like Saber's logic for Unwnd scum - Unwnd's read on her seems faked

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

How are you reading gypyx?

more likely town I think based on what I think scum are doing

You know what? Spiteful vote.

VOTE: unwnd

Hurry this shit up. Then whatever the outcome may be once you see that I'm a contestant rethink the gamestate because one of you is not being charitable. Someone asked me earlier 'what about the people who voted your slot galron' and my answer back then no longer applies. I refuse to believe a town of Skitter/Peta/Ydra/Cakez can't see that I'm not the right choice. One or even two in that group is not playing for the green team.

this is LAMISTy scum tactic
a lot of "woe is me" bs

yeah, nvm, cakez's response to unwnd last night is in total null territory (citation: warehouse 13), townreads for it are bad

i think the solving feels maybe genuine there but not confident at all

how does this relate to W13?

@peta sorry i read cakez iso and came to the same conclusion as before. the towniest thing i can pinpoint is the indecisiveness on you

i feel like if anything he'd be more prone to to getting tunnely, he seemed almost too soft in his read of ceph/me

but that's not really what the basis for my read is, i'm just not hard shoving it yet

was interested in your take because you've seen him as both alignments relatively recently

why would I do this when it has actively not worked for me in the past?

So what am I to think about the fact (Galron) was spared over Pooky? Not much, because nobody else seems to care.

this is not true i've been thinking about this all day

Taly is a big question mark for me because they don't fit in my mind. This is a curious (?) where I don't think they're townie but also not null. They're a hard elimination and in my absolute tinfoil paranoia I think they're being protected by scum. I have less on the motivations of why, but I feel their presence to not be something that relieves me. Maybe it's their nature to weird, but I can't townread weird because something tells me that Taly is probably decent at his own weirdness and using it as a means to be townread. There's nothing entirely wrong with his approach but that alone makes me question because it is presented in such a processed and orderly manner where every appearance by him is very deliberate. It would be townie in another game but not this one, and not based on the events that have happened.

I think this is ridiculous
Taly is transparently town and doing more to actually solve without stirring up BS than like 90% of the game
and you're saying that Taly is scum because his appearances are "deliberate"? what? I read the total opposite - Taly literally shows up so randomly

Anyways, about Skitter. I just disagree with her. I disagree with her a lot and often. Does disagreement need to be the reason why she is scum? No. No I didn't want to believe that, and I was trying to find compromise and not end up in a situation like Siege where I backed out of my townread of her because we came to a disagreement. I think Skitter is very not afraid to put her stake in things but that makes it dangerous because I've seen her do so to dissuade town. It's just this dismissive attitude that is rubbing me wrong and I wish it didn't.

this just doesn't make sense to me - this seems like just a gut read or something?

Saber is scum. I feel it in my bones. I have less words about this but goddamn. I have not felt good about one fucking post they made. It's so agenda-driven and handpicked out of the right arguments to make at the right time. It's calculated and not in the sense of a townie who is just making use of their time. It's calculated to where it's always just 'doing enough' and no more. That's my problem. She does enough to not be scrutinized but goes no further. It's missing the blemishes that make up townies where they don't know the answers. It's the exact fucking thing I look for and at this rate? I think I'm pretty damn good at recognizing it. She had just the right amount of push onto me and reason to vote me and now she's backstage in her PT because job is done. Conversation and interaction with her even from an outside perspective just read like someone who is trying to sell you on the appearance of a townie. And you're all fucking buying it and it annoys me.

I do understand this though so thanks

doesn't seem to really want to play (?) but is completely open about it

nooooooooooooooooooooooooo I'm very excited about this game
i'm just not as able to play as I used to be
and being behind would make anyone bummed out

Cakez towncase yourself for me

Doesn't need to be a big one but like why am I just wrong on you

Moreover, why can't I just..be wrong on you? Why is it scum motivated

basically - the way you entered this game and have been playing seems like you're trying to widen the elim pool and put people who generally weren't being considered (like Taly, Skitter and myself) into play while diverting attention away from people like Peta and Dunn who were sussed after Pooky and Ceph flipped town

here my reads are something like this

top town - (Saber, Taly, skitter)
(Ydrasse, Gamma, ulyana)
null - (Toog, Dwlee, Gypyx)
(Unwnd)
(Peta, Infinity)
top scum - (Dunn)

[petapan]

just random pull quotes from cakez i'm too lazy this morning to commentate them but he and skitter kind of lackadasically put each other as town for very weak reasons, the interactions with skitter there are all sort of stereotypically S/S

[petapan]

also worth noting that while cakez displayed due skepticism on people like me there was none of that for skitter, who is someone he absolutely should not be trusting to the level he did given she absolutely snowed him last time around

[Gamma Emerald]

uuuuuggghhh

[petapan]

Taly: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald, peta
Gamma Emerald: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald, peta
petapan: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald, peta
Gammagooey: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald, peta
Ydrasse:
Cakez: GEmerald
Ulyana: Ulyana
TA:

[Ydrasse]

can someone at least put their name next to mine ):

[petapan]

Taly: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald, peta
Gamma Emerald: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald, peta
petapan: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald
Gammagooey: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald, peta
Ydrasse: peta
Cakez: GEmerald
Ulyana: Ulyana
TA:

[petapan]

i checked skitter on saber and there wasn't much, just one random post of like half-done shade that didn't even strike me as worth quoting

what stuck in my craw was the way saber gave her reads - for those of you who have blue room access, look at how saber spoke about taly/ulyana vs how saber spoke about skitter when gammagooey came in with the scumread, tell me if you can see it

[Taly]

Saber

put

Ulya/I

on a pedestal of constantly stating we bleed towniness?

I mean, that's the impression I got off first glance. I'll look deeper if you'd like.