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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what fucking scum team r u talking about we have had 1 scum left for the last 5 days who would i even be disappearing to talk to roflololol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is a comical string of questions from bell rn

[Milobird]

Guys.
Pooky is just scum and this is disappointing.
Stop disappointing me.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Look at this utter garbage he is spouting.

-Bell

[SirCakez]

Your reads suck and I've never seen you have good reads so like.

That's my genuine opinion.
I feel like we've had this talk before.
Actually, now that I think about it, we have had this talk before.

-Bell

you can stuff it

[SirCakez]

this Milo vs Pooky slapfight is completely useless and not helping me at all here
I'm going to reread earlier parts of the game starting on my break tomorrow and look for actually useful content

[Milobird]

Why would I do that when I can claim the moral victory when you vote wrong on obvtown Bell, proving my point?
-Bell

[Milobird]

this Milo vs Pooky slapfight is completely useless and not helping me at all here
I'm going to reread earlier parts of the game starting on my break tomorrow and look for actually useful content

FFS, who is doing this slap fight? Who is trying their level best to make it into a slap fight?
Don't be stupid Cakez. Pay attention.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Look at this utter garbage he is spouting.

-Bell

gimme your address I'll order a mirror from Amazon for you rn

[SirCakez]

the PT would have spurts of activity then go back to being quiet
69 cakez posts
64 pooky posts
1 Ralts post lol

more details later gotta go

[SirCakez]

this Milo vs Pooky slapfight is completely useless and not helping me at all here
I'm going to reread earlier parts of the game starting on my break tomorrow and look for actually useful content

FFS, who is doing this slap fight? Who is trying their level best to make it into a slap fight?
Don't be stupid Cakez. Pay attention.

-Bell

ok I want to talk to you but give me time and space to work don't be a dick to me

[Milobird]

Fine.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh so now responding to your utter garbage is me trying to make things into a slap fight

hahahahhahaha fuck off

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'll shut up too

You can ask me anything you want

[Milobird]

seems random

Every wagon so far has been random tho, why call out this one

seems random

Every wagon so far has been random tho, why call out this one

what other wagon

Think there were wagons on dwlee and cakez

i think you already received your answer

Uhhh I don't get it

i think you already received your answer

Uhhh I don't get it

you said every wagon was random

i said what other wagons implying i don't know the existence of other random wagons therefore why would i call out another wagon

Fair

ok but given that its RVS and all wagons are going to be dumb why did you make that callout like you did? Further to the point, what did you hope to accomplish by calling it out like you did?

It seems to me that as someone who has been playing since 2004 you would know that frequently wagons start in RVS for basically no reason, are dumb, and then from the ashes of those wagons people actually start having more relevant opinions and that's how we move from noise to signal.

So like, what does town you hope to accomplish in this instance from specifically saying "x wagon is dumb."

Like, yes it is, that's the point. And I know you know this.

I wanna kill FB and STD.
-Milobird

Ralts and TSQ seem okay, but I’ll wait and see.

-Bell

The question was "what did you hope to gain from posting 'x wagon is dumb' when you know that all early wagons are dumb and indeed that's how the entire beginning of a mafia game works"

I think I’m usually pretty obvious town as town. I get overexcited and make occasionally scummy posts but usually bluster right on through to be annoyingly difficult to elim just from sheer quantity.

Except I can’t spam post because weekday job is demanding. So I should probably get a new meta.

STD is lying and being weird and I’ll take that to the bank.
-Bell

ok you found me

it's not possible for town to call out a wagon as dumb

you're right shea

1) first quote: so? do you usually call out all dumb 3 person wagons you become aware of on page 9 of a large?

no

i post what i feel as town and edit myself as scum

guess which one this was

2) second quote: ok but you're missing my point which is that people generally don't do this because they know its fluff and they are looking to find actual things to talk about which might create meaningful information for them to solve other players alignment which brings me to

since when do i do what people generally do or don't do

3) third quote: I don't see you doing that here. It's less a scum motivation thing and more of a scum mindset thing. Scum frequently have a hard time doing the whole trying to solve players thing because they already know the alignment of their partners, so they find ways to talk about the game which don't have actual consequence. they want to look like they're scum hunting or trying to divine alignment, but they're not. Your statement was that. It was the exact kind of statement scum makes when they're trying to look like they're making game relevant observations which under closer scrutiny are actually just meaningless fluff.

isn't it weird how i ended up voting one of the wagoners tho :thinking emoji:

And that brings me to the snarky citation needed post. The town std I'm familiar with would be attempting to solve me through this discussion. you're not. you're attempting to shade my arguments and try to make them look ridiculous. every single response you've made has been a slight misinterpretation of what I'm saying to make it look slightly worse than it actually is. I don't get the impression at all that you're curious about my alignment here, and given that my meta as scum definitely includes making aggressive d1 pushes (side eye: fb for townbinning me when he should know that about my scum game. potential pocket attempt?) one would think you would be.

i think you may not have an updated meta

sigh

I like tsq's takes so far. happy to see where this goes

VOTE: save the dragons

am i the only one to like STD's reaction to his wagon? Like, it's quite the overagression from TSQ, and fenrir's reaction doesn't really feel calculated if y'all see what i mean

additionally wheme seems cool

nah, i just like the content of his character and the greeneness of his role PM

most major thing is that i doubt scum would do the charizard fake claim thingy

am i the only one to like STD's reaction to his wagon? Like, it's quite the overagression from TSQ, and fenrir's reaction doesn't really feel calculated if y'all see what i mean

additionally wheme seems cool

What of my points do you disagree with?

i'm thinking that STD's comment on the gamestate isn't indicative of him actually picking between wagons to choose which one to call out as random as this is the only real wagon we got while STD was online, besides yeah, it was absolutely random too and i don't see why you're making such a big deal outta this

I think you must not be reading my posts then. Because my argument has very little to do with which wagon STD called out but rather why STD made that comment at all.

hmmm, fuck

yeah okay that's fair, better that way, still weighting on the side of town!STD tho

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

hai
tsq/std is tvt
VOTE: woolax

Without reading much of what TSQ said because I only got 4 hours of sleep despite popping a melatonin: firebringer wagon wasn't actually bad imo but I can see town!STD thinking it was and saying it like he did
Speaking of which:
VOTE: firebringer

most major thing is that i doubt scum would do the charizard fake claim thingy

I had a null takeaway on that because the ruleset openly limits the gens to 2 and 3, and I don't think fakeclaiming an obviously fake claim is likely to mean anything more than early-game shitposting.

Also, pretty sure I know what pokemon Mastina is claiming, but not sure if there's any benefit/detriment to saying. I

will

say I'm trying to think if there's a scummy equivalent that would want to be targeted, (something that steals your ability or something?) and I can't think of anything. So for now I'm thinking that's probably a legit town claim?

@Mastina: do you know what happens if you get targeted by multiple people in the same night?

- B.

that's a good point, on the other hand i might be overanalyzing a crumb too, but idk, got a good but feeling from wheme doing this

additionally, while the claim is slightly +town, i doubt mastina's role can't be a scum role too, heck, a reflexive rolecop maybe?

@Mastina: do you know what happens if you get targeted by multiple people in the same night?

I do, the interaction's laid out in my role PM. Not sure if I should share it tho. Do you think I should?

(Okay that wasn't me catching up, that was me jumping ahead. But NOW catching up from page one.)

VOTE: wisdom
let's murder him before he gets back from V/LA

VOTE: SirCakez
Even though I'm not scumreading this opening (not townreading it either but not scumreading it, is null), SirCakez draws scum in 100% of his games it seems so we may as well save him the misery of another scumgame and vote him out.

so uh T3 apart not liking 122 from milo, anything more concrete from your catchup?

I'm very happy with my assigned Pokemon.

Wood

you believe that my pokemon's one of the most appropriate for me?

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

DUN DUN DUN

Town.

VOTE: sir cakez
first person who posts is always scum. i think thats like mafia facts

Firebringer. (I can't read Firebringer and won't pretend that I can, tho I will say that this would be 'town' alongside the above by natural inclination.)

I wanna be the very best like no one ever was

your avatar looks like a pokemon

Scum?

PS: how did I completely miss the fact mastina is in this, I definitely looked at the playerlist multiple times and definitely did not see her name there o_O
-q

If it makes you feel any better, I completely and entirely forgot that I signed up for this game until I received my role PM.

Im gonna full claim

I am mareep. I pick a target to sheep and when I do I become a double voter when I am sheeping that person

locktown

Mastina's entry doesn't feel much like scum. It's chill. 337 is odd. I don't really unerstand it, because it seems designed to make Deadcell uncomfortable? But it just feels startlingly open. But that's kind of their MO at the beginning of the game anyway and they did just claim out right at the beginning. So.
Gyphx is being too reasonable early. All of his takes are informed and he uses that...to town read people and push at people he knows are wrong.
Dwlee, is mostly at the periphery. I think he was just trying to avoid attention by voting FB, rather than pushing more at STD, or voting somewhere else.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Ralts doesn't really stand out. He just doesn't understand what STD is saying and that's pretty much it. It's probably true regardless of his alignment. It's kind of pointless though. I guess you could stretch it and say how they're approaching STD is tip-toeing. Trying not to offend, not giving them ammunition, Not even directly asking them what they mean, but instead putting it on themselves for feeling responsible that they can't understand them. It's kind of post county buffing. But that's all a stretch to me. It's just two nothing posts I think. aybe the responsibility portion points away from them. I'm probably overthinking it.

-Bell

[Milobird]

can we put early pressure on mastina and see their reaction?

I mean, you

can

, but it aint gonna do you much good given that I've all-but-fullclaimed already so I really don't have anything more to give ya.

im putting on bet now that 90% of alexandrites posts will be gamma so i don't think any of u need to be worried about thinking "who is posting this?"

I'd take that bet but I'd lose given that that's pretty much exactly the amount I'd guess would be Gamma.

I still think mastina pressure is never bad

Oh I imagine it'd work wonders if I actually ever drew scum but since mods seem to want me to always be fairly confirmable town......

They kind of fall apart on their own as scum lately. Though I always feel bad saying that.

I mean, it's

true

, so no need to feel bad saying that, but I also tend to fall apart faster as scum when pressured so Wheme's not wrong.

Also in my experience pressuring mastina means she will respond to the pressure 2 weeks later when catching up and not acknowledge you continuing to talk to her in real time in the thread. She'll get to that in 2 more weeks.

I feel called out.

...But not unjustifiably as this is

also

true.

seems random

Speaking of random, have my readslist!

Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo

Truth Innuendos Lies
Sharing the Brain Cell

Kitty Trauma Team
Dwlee99
Ralts

The Goat
Gypyx
Alexandrite
chowchow
WhemeStar
Woolax
Wisdom
SleepyKrew

imaginality
T3
SirCakez

I can't decide if this a town reach or a scum reach tho.

If it helps I hated that post which immediately put imaginality in my bottom 3 reads. (Which, in spite of how I jested about the randomness of my readslist, was not in fact actually random. Well, mostly. I actually was stopping myself from posting readslists every page because I wanted to have a readslist where I manually added names as they posted rather than a readslist where I copied the names from the OP and rearranged them, but I caved in when I saw a mention of 'random' and couldn't resist. The names not posting at that point were basically random, the names having posted tho were not.)

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

Are you caught up now? Cool. This message is for everyone but especially T3 and mastina.

Please don't catch up like that. I'm begging you.

good luck with this, esp with mastina

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

what does this mean

-Gamma

(also from this point on if there's a tag that isn't Gamma, Meg, Pearl, or Garnet, it's probably Yume)

what does this mean

honetly it doesn't mean anything

Are you caught up now? Cool. This message is for everyone but especially T3 and mastina.

Please don't catch up like that. I'm begging you.

They will not listen guaranteed

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

also VOTE: alexandrite less talk more scrap

But how would that be determined? It’s not like we’re doing a mass claim on D1.

~Innuendos

just have mastina make an arbitrary way to separate things, if she's town we're good if she's scum we can prob read into the list she gives

statistically it would be hard for a random list to not contain any good PR

if anyone else needs me to tell them how to live their life just ask

Me next thanks. Give me the exact answer in my head and win a prize

Dwlee and Gyphx don't appear to be acknowledging the other exists.
Gyphx is engaging with Mastina, but they're tame questions so far.
While Dwlee doesn't appear to be acknowledging Mastina.

Those 2 scums being in the dead center of Mastina's reads though.
Tbh this is sort of atypical for Mastina, but given they haven't had much luck with their scum approach maybe they chose a more traditional scum reads list. It would be typical of anyone but Mastina to have that read's list as scum.

[Milobird]

Mastina's posts remain in the chill zone tho.
They also avoided the "I promise I'm going to post you guys" that murdered my town read of them in warehouse.
she said she was going to catch up and then immediately caught up. So that's cool.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Neither Gyphx nor Dwlee have engaged with Ralts, but ralt's is fairly focused and there isn't much to talk to Ralts about currently.
I don't really think anyone has reached out to Ralts at this point because nothing they've done invites that engagement outside of who they acknowledge themselves. They're being their own gate keeper. Either intentionally or not.

-Bell

[SirCakez]

I'm basically disregarding Ralts I got nothing from them

[Milobird]

You can objectively uptick them as scum just by them repping out.

-Bell

[Milobird]

Empirically, rather.

-Bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is this the part where you quote a bunch of shit and pretend to sort/solve when you have me penciled in already as the target

[Milobird]

I'm more interested in how people feel about Gyphx's posts towards Mastina.
I'm not sure if he's being cautious because they're scum together or if he's being cautious because he's super self-conscious and worried about getting caught by saying the wrong thing.

-Bell

[SirCakez]

You can objectively uptick them as scum just by them repping out.

-Bell

Fair point