Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pm
you said this game is outside your scum range, why not link some of your scum games and why you think you're outside that range?
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:57 pm
You're so steeped in the semantic argument that I have difficulty believing you're not just side stepping your play all together by saying people argue bad and if they argue bad they deserve what they get.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:58 pm
DYOH
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:59 pm
Yes, if they play bad and they get eliminated, then they deserved it. Do you disagree?In post 6201, Bell wrote:by saying people argue bad and if they argue bad they deserve what they get.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:00 pm
You argued you're outside your scumrange. That argument pinged me, so it's on you to demonstrate that wasn't a scummy thought process. You basically said you wouldn't try as scum or that you wouldn't have fucking murdered titus for shitty reasons as scum, both of which sounds like bullshit. What in this game is actually outside your scumrange?
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:00 pm
Figure it out yourself.
I'm not giving you a roadmap to reading me.
I'm not giving you a roadmap to reading me.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:00 pm
You just accused me of being lying scum without even pointing to a lie I could have made.
The reason that post was strange is because it was meandering and had no point or belief in place. It was a rush job that felt more like you were filling space then thinking about it.
I love calling myself town when I'm town by the way. Which is relatively evident by this game and a lot of other games. I usually call myself town when I'm town and I actually tone down how much I say I'm town when I'm not.
Except when I get into a loop and can't solve. But obviously, I'm not doing nothing so that goes out the window too.
The reason that post was strange is because it was meandering and had no point or belief in place. It was a rush job that felt more like you were filling space then thinking about it.
I love calling myself town when I'm town by the way. Which is relatively evident by this game and a lot of other games. I usually call myself town when I'm town and I actually tone down how much I say I'm town when I'm not.
Except when I get into a loop and can't solve. But obviously, I'm not doing nothing so that goes out the window too.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm
Zzz.In post 6206, Bell wrote:You just accused me of being lying scum without even pointing to a lie I could have made.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm
why not, though?
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm
Yes. If you're town and they're town and you eliminate them, it's your fault because you voted town.In post 6203, Brian Skies wrote:Yes, if they play bad and they get eliminated, then they deserved it. Do you disagree?In post 6201, Bell wrote:by saying people argue bad and if they argue bad they deserve what they get.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:03 pm
Why should I?
I'm heavily against the use of trust tells. Like, the literal idea that I have to give you any sort of hint in learning how to read me basically means I have to then subvert it in the future.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:03 pm
I assume that you didn't get into playing mafia because you were terribly interested in punishing people who play in ways you don't like, while rewarding those that do.
You taking this tack, is not so uncommon that I don't see town use it.
Funnily enough, if Spiffeh is also scum with you, you both used fairness a lot to win arguments and get town read.
You taking this tack, is not so uncommon that I don't see town use it.
Funnily enough, if Spiffeh is also scum with you, you both used fairness a lot to win arguments and get town read.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:03 pm
So it's your fault we eliminated Shelly and she didn't deserve that at all?In post 6209, Bell wrote:Yes. If you're town and they're town and you eliminate them, it's your fault because you voted town.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:04 pm
Yes.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:05 pm
If it wasn't why would I have apologized for misreading her.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:05 pm
Okay, Bell. I believe that you truly believe in the point you're making.
However, you're still probably scum.
However, you're still probably scum.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:06 pm
If you're so afraid of the use of trust tells, why argue you're outside your scum range in the first place...
This is actually a dumb argument, but you probably should recognize that you're being kinda manipulative in how people view your slot lately.
Bell is town. Find scum.
This is actually a dumb argument, but you probably should recognize that you're being kinda manipulative in how people view your slot lately.
Bell is town. Find scum.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:08 pm
No, I'm probably town you just either can't read people or you're scum this game.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:09 pm
How is it any more or less manipulative than how other people get others to view their slot?In post 6216, Hench Princesses wrote:If you're so afraid of the use of trust tells, why argue you're outside your scum range in the first place...
This is actually a dumb argument, but you probably should recognize that you're being kinda manipulative in how people view your slot lately.
I can say I'm already out of my scum range all I want. It's up to everyone else to believe if that's actually the case. If I actually went out and proved it, then that would be a huge issue.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:11 pm
There isn't a single strong suspicion here. This is all hedging.In post 7066, Almost50 wrote:You probably are. After all; you said so yourself.
But seriously, I am not having "scum" reads. I am having "suspects" instead. Why? Because we have still to flip ONE red role. Not one. So all I have is suspicion and speculation.
For instance, I -obviously- suspect Pooky. I tracked him and -according to Annie- he apparently went nowhere, which is disappointing.
Now the way I play Tracker is not make it clear whom I suspect. I leave it in a pool so scum can't guess whom I'm targeting next. Gun-to-my-head I might give in and provide a "vague" read list, yet I also may just provide a "fake" read lost to still make my target unpredictable (or -at least- not easily guessable)
Like, here's a read list for you to work off, but I give no promises it's accurate
Petapan < Mechanical clear for me
Deacon Blues/Dandelion Wine < Guessing the NK was meant to hit one of them and Gamma took the hit instead
Spiffeh < Play is almost too scummy to be scum
skitter30 < Call it a soul reade (I had actually provided the reasons earlier)
PookyTheMagicalBear < Had no night action so don't see why hw wasn't sent to do the kill last night
Firebringer <I historically struggle to get a TR on FB, but he has yet to trigger my scumdar
Lady Lambdadelta < I didn't like her rage over the preliminary read list I provided (that I even said explicitly was not my own). Otherwise, I have nothing much to say for/against her
midwaybear < This is the most volatile read I have. By PoE, and unless the other thread is dominated by Scum; this has to be a scum slot here. Yet, by play I have more Town pings from him than half the other players. (Actually, I'd only TR Deacon, Dandelion & skitter more is I ignore all mechanical reasoning)
Up to you now to decide which slot(s) am I misplacing on the list on purpose.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:11 pm
You're escalating to a trust tell, when he's basically asking you to self-meta.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:12 pm
they're*
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pm
In post 6220, Bell wrote:You're escalating to a trust tell, when he's basically asking you to self-meta.
Yes, so I'm not going to do it.In post 6221, Bell wrote:they're*
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:17 pm
Pretty sure someone commented on how to read him in xeno somewhere day one.
No I don’t remember who.
No I don’t remember who.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:18 pm
Moving the goal posts just so you don't want to do something is more convoluted then just saying you don't want to do something.
I doubt it would have hurt your position any. But okay.
I doubt it would have hurt your position any. But okay.