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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:24 am

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A LYNCH WILL OCCUR TO THE PERSON WITH THE HIGHEST VOTE COUNT AT DEADLINE.
IF THERE IS A TIE THE PERSON WHO HAD A VOTE ON THEM FIRST IS LYNCHED
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:35 am

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I think the haunt started randomly. When Hero mentioned my -------- before the haunt he was saying about how it only happened once. I think this was a fair argument actually so PS, Hero wasn't using the -------- from before the haunt as an example of why I could be the traitor, only to contrast it with the -------- after the haunt.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:58 am

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Hero and Oman are obvscumbuddies. Just sayin'.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:48 am

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Do you think there might be any Power Roles?
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:18 am

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Power roles come from the rooms we get.

Oh, and with deadline coming up, I'll claim. N1, I got a one-shot doc protection that I was told could disappear. Some adrenaline shot or something. I could only use it on someone on my floor. I used that on Kast. N2, I recieved a RB in the form of rope. I forgot to use it.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:44 am

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Interesting. The mystic coin also contains a line that it should be used before it disappears.

I'm inclined to believe that kmd got the item he claimed. That does not mean he is necessarily town; mod confirmed that items and rooms are predetermined.

@Mod-

The rules post #11 still states that no deadline majority results in no lynch. That should probably be changed.


@PS-
I strongly doubt that the Traitor caused the Haunt. Certainly not intentionally. Mod confirmed that the game begins with 9 townies and 3 mafia and that anyone could becomes the Traitor. If a player starts off as a "soon to be Traitor", who can start the Haunt at will, then it's really not what the mod confirmed.

Flavor-wise, Haunts are triggered by finding omens. Seeing as the mod announces whether the Haunt has started after each set of explorations, that seems to hold similar for us.

@Gunsmith Monkey-
I'm doubting the existence of a gunsmith as a town "cop" power. In a game with possible affiliation changes, investigative roles are already weakened. With a confirmation that at least one player has found a revolver, an investigation that is set-up to give potential false positives such as a gunsmith is very unlikely. Oman may have fake claimed the toy monkey as a gunsmith with the knowledge that mafia kill method is shooting.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:36 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Hero and Oman are obvscumbuddies. Just sayin'.
How so? The last time you mentioned that, it was when Oman was refusing to vote Hero. But he's doing the same for you too, and the two of you have the same number of votes on you.....
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:49 pm

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Oman wrote:EBWOP: Deadline is Aug 3rd so I should have time.
You are assuming everyone has the time to read/respond to your post if you were to post within the last day or 2. You do realise that the town can potentially lose the game on a wrong lynch at this stage? Delaying the post of your content that may influence the voting direction of town - especially since you already made it known that you don't like the current direction of the town's votes - is anti-town. It shows that you don't really care enough about the fact that the town isn't trying to lynch the person you suspect to be scum.

Anyway, like I said, I won't be around for the weekend. The mod said that in the event of ties, the first person who got the majority gets lynched. That would be Hero at the moment. Since I suspect Kmd more right now, I have to try and make sure it's him.....

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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:53 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Power roles come from the rooms we get.

Oh, and with deadline coming up, I'll claim. N1, I got a one-shot doc protection that I was told could disappear. Some adrenaline shot or something. I could only use it on someone on my floor. I used that on Kast. N2, I recieved a RB in the form of rope. I forgot to use it.
I think it's rather convenient that you remembered to do the action that can't be proven (doc-protection is only proven if you know the scum targeted the same person), but forgot to do the one that's more easily proven.
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:09 pm

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Kast wrote:
@Gunsmith Monkey-
I'm doubting the existence of a gunsmith as a town "cop" power. In a game with possible affiliation changes, investigative roles are already weakened. With a confirmation that at least one player has found a revolver, an investigation that is set-up to give potential false positives such as a gunsmith is very unlikely. Oman may have fake claimed the toy monkey as a gunsmith with the knowledge that mafia kill method is shooting.
On that note, I looked back at the post where the mod announced that name of the character to find the Toy Monkey.

I'm thinking now, at the beginning of the game, most of us decided that role-claiming would be of little use due to all the characters having the potential to be evil roles. But right now, we have one confirmed scum in Ash, does anyone think it's plausible to look for relationships between the characters? Because it just occured to me that Flash Williams, the character who found the Monkey, and hence
probably
Oman's role, has a clear association with Ash's role, Mdn Zostra, according to the info Kast provided.

Yes, I can see that most of the characters are connected to each other in some ways, but Flash certainly appears to have the closest association to Zostra, from what I can see.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:12 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Power roles come from the rooms we get.

Oh, and with deadline coming up, I'll claim. N1, I got a one-shot doc protection that I was told could disappear. Some adrenaline shot or something. I could only use it on someone on my floor. I used that on Kast. N2, I recieved a RB in the form of rope. I forgot to use it.
I think it's rather convenient that you remembered to do the action that can't be proven (doc-protection is only proven if you know the scum targeted the same person), but forgot to do the one that's more easily proven.
BTW, just to add on to this, it also seems fishy that you were the one asking for item/action claims. Methinks it might have been a way to find out which of us has night actions so you can claim to have RBed someone without actions, making it impossible to verify.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:31 am

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PsychoSniper wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Hero and Oman are obvscumbuddies. Just sayin'.
How so? The last time you mentioned that, it was when Oman was refusing to vote Hero. But he's doing the same for you too, and the two of you have the same number of votes on you.....
Read Oman's posts in ISO, especially where Hero gets some votes, and tell me you don't see the connection.
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PsychoSniper wrote: I think it's rather convenient that you remembered to do the action that can't be proven (doc-protection is only proven if you know the scum targeted the same person), but forgot to do the one that's more easily proven.
Can't really argue against that. Oh well. That's how it happened and you'll see it in endgame.
PsychoSniper wrote: BTW, just to add on to this, it also seems fishy that you were the one asking for item/action claims. Methinks it might have been a way to find out which of us has night actions so you can claim to have RBed someone without actions, making it impossible to verify.
Nah. If I'd planned on lying, I'd have done it anyway.

Also, since I'm lynched, I might as well mention for laughs. I was given the option to self-protect, and specifically told that, and protected Kast anyway. I thought he was a more likely kill target than I was.
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:33 am

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That a hammer? Well, one less game before I can retire now. Good luck without me. Go town!
No, that's L-1.

One problem here is that it gives Oman, who is also a major suspect, the opportunity to hammer. I'd have liked to have seen a wagon on Oman before the day ended, at least for information, but at this point switching my vote could cause deadline issues.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:30 am

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Unvote


Not just yet, I have something.
Kast wrote:@Gunsmith Monkey-
I'm doubting the existence of a gunsmith as a town "cop" power. In a game with possible affiliation changes, investigative roles are already weakened. With a confirmation that at least one player has found a revolver, an investigation that is set-up to give potential false positives such as a gunsmith is very unlikely. Oman may have fake claimed the toy monkey as a gunsmith with the knowledge that mafia kill method is shooting.
I don't think it's likely that there were two one-shot vig items, so I believe whoever found the revolver can't kill with it. I think that that's the gunsmith item, and it's more likely because A. It is a sort of gun and B. Because a toy monkey isn't a sort of gun, in fact I can't see the connection at all. I think Oman was lying.

I see no reason why the mod would make two items exactly the same, so tell me Oman-

What did the toy monkey REALLY do?


I could still get you lynched now, so tell me the truth.
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More lies. You knew perfectly well that wasn't a lynch, so you're trying to trick us saying that you were town. I don't think so.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:43 am

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Also could Kmd please point out the connection between:

Bloody room and adrenaline?

Kitchen and rope?
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:52 am

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@Banana-
-"Gunsmith" means a type of cop that tells you whether your target owns a gun. The mafia kill method is by shooting (which is presumably a kill caused by a gun). Oman's claim of having a gunsmith item is essentially a claim that his item made him into a cop.

As a fake claim, the gunsmith claim is safer than a normal cop claim. It is less common and weaker than a cop, so even if there are other investigative roles, they are less likely to counter claim.

-I would guess that a revolver is a multi-shot killing item (once per night). I don't think the existence of one killing item precludes the existence of others, particularly not when scum and town have equal access to the items. This is speculation, so it doesn't need to be believed, but I think it is a bad idea to close off this possibility.

I'll also speculate that your dynamite may have been a multi-kill item, and if so, it is quite different from a revolver. From board game flavor, the dynamite damages everyone in the same room. From the moderator's comment about other items potentially being destroyed, I suspect your dynamite had similar flavor. Btw, that was another reason to follow you; in the event that your dynamite was usable more than once (ie. multiple sticks of dynamite).

@Hero-
Funny you say you are willing to vote Oman but won't move your vote. Kmd is clearly willing to vote for Oman. I have expressed suspicion of Oman as well. Sounds like distancing in the event that kmd is lynched and flips town.

@Deadline-
I won't be around this weekend. I should be around Monday. I am willing to vote for either Oman or Herodotus, with much greater preference for Herodotus.

@Traitor & Revolver Player-
If the mafia are able to successfully mislynch today, please kill one of Oman or Herodotus.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:14 am

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Kast wrote:@Banana-
-"Gunsmith" means a type of cop that tells you whether your target owns a gun. The mafia kill method is by shooting (which is presumably a kill caused by a gun). Oman's claim of having a gunsmith item is essentially a claim that his item made him into a cop.
I know what a gunsmith is. I'm just saying, if an item had to be gunsmith what would you say it is more likely to be, revolver or toy monkey?
Kast wrote:I'll also speculate that your dynamite may have been a multi-kill item, and if so, it is quite different from a revolver. From board game flavor, the dynamite damages everyone in the same room. From the moderator's comment about other items potentially being destroyed, I suspect your dynamite had similar flavor. Btw, that was another reason to follow you; in the event that your dynamite was usable more than once (ie. multiple sticks of dynamite).
Well, it can't hurt to try.

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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:30 am

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@banana
What you're saying about a gunsmith doesn't make sense to me.
And are you just making up the part about throwing dynamite, or do you really have that ability?
Never mind, a more careful reading made it more clear.

@Kast
That isn't very credible. By the way, how do you know whether KMD is willing to vote Oman?

I didn't move my vote because removing a vote from the wagon on KMD would make me the deadline-lynch, and I find KMD scummy. Now that banana has unvoted, that is no longer an issue.

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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:57 am

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@Banana-
I don't think you fully understood me there.

-I don't think a toy monkey OR a revolver would be likely to be a gunsmith. How does owning a gun make someone able to find out if another person has a gun? And the toy monkey does various things in different Haunt scenarios, but often it is just a weapon that attacks people.

-I believe (or rather find plausible) your claim that dynamite is a one time use item. I suspect that when you used it, it probably had the ability to kill everyone in the room of the player that you targeted.

However, if you have it and want to confirm to us, you can say that you want to drop the dynamite. If you still have the item, you would drop it to the floor and would confirm that to everyone. First, find out whether you can pick it up again after dropping it.

@Herodotus-
-You'll have to be more clear about what you find
incredible
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-Kmd has said repeatedly that Herodotus and Oman are scumbuddies.

-I don't think mod clarified which player has lynch priority, but normally it seems that if one player was at 3 votes and drops to 2 votes, they are preferred over a player who was at 2 votes from the beginning. Moot now since you unvoted, but it would be good to get clarification.

-To be clear, I prefer your lynch to Oman's. I'll move my vote if necessary. Atm it is not.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:03 pm

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banana 563 wrote: More lies. You knew perfectly well that wasn't a lynch, so you're trying to trick us saying that you were town. I don't think so.
I actually really thought it was a lynch. Not that it matters. I'm today's lynch anyway. :lol:
banana 563 wrote:Also could Kmd please point out the connection between:

Bloody room and adrenaline?

Kitchen and rope?
Heh, I'm not the Mod. I have no clue. I'm not nearly creative enough to make that up though.
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Yes! Exactly what I've been trying to get you to do.

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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:04 pm

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Btw, I'd be willing to lynch either Hero or Oman. Hero is my preference though.

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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:04 pm

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Kast is obvtown btw. So if this kills me, don't go after Kast.

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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:08 pm

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Kast wrote:@Herodotus-
-You'll have to be more clear about what you find
incredible
about my post.

-Kmd has said repeatedly that Herodotus and Oman are scumbuddies.
... which could be a way of 'clearing' his suspicion of his partner Oman when I flip town.
Kast? Or was it I who wrote:Funny you say you are willing to vote Oman but won't move your vote. Kmd is clearly willing to vote for Oman. I have expressed suspicion of Oman as well.
Yes. Funny. Clearly. I realize you wrote this before I moved my vote, but it's just as significant now.
By the way, what I said was that I wanted to see a wagon on Oman, not that I was willing to vote him. That may sound like a fine difference, but it's there.
Kast wrote:-I don't think mod clarified which player has lynch priority, but normally it seems that if one player was at 3 votes and drops to 2 votes, they are preferred over a player who was at 2 votes from the beginning. Moot now since you unvoted, but it would be good to get clarification.
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A LYNCH WILL OCCUR TO THE PERSON WITH THE HIGHEST VOTE COUNT AT DEADLINE.
IF THERE IS A TIE
THE PERSON WHO HAD A VOTE ON THEM FIRST
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Kmd4390 wrote:I'm today's lynch anyway. :lol:
I consider saying this to be a scumtell. If you have more to add about that, then go on.

I'm pretty sure I like a KMD lynch better than an Oman lynch, but we have a couple more days.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:48 pm

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I don't think this will work Kmd. I'm sure the dynamite was one-shot, as the mod actually told me in the PM. Now you've just revealled yourself to be scum.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:52 pm

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Wait, I just got a PM from the mod telling me that the dynamite was multi-shot after all but it's gone now. That is pretty unfair.

Also she confirmed that I have thrown nothing at Kmd, so while that's pretty silly of me, it also proves Kmd is up to no good with his time-bomb.
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