Big Brother Mafia - Town wins!

[LlamaFluff]

saber, Sly is not going to listen to you unfortunately.

Doesn't hurt to try.

Oh great and mighty SlySly, will you hear my plea and put animorpherv1 up for eviction?

Given his track record of not putting up anyone that has a high ammount of votes, I would actually guess it DOES hurt to try.

Seriously though, ani nom is the right one.

[hewitt]

Seriously though, ani nom is the right one.

I endorse this.

[SlySly]

kmd is basically viewed as a strong town read by everyone.

I don't recall

everyone

stating a strong town read on kmd. Can you please quote where

everyone

stated that?

I can only assume that its the same to everyone else.

You do a lot of assuming for everyone.

You case on sens was pretty much crap

No, much like you, Sens was tunneling on me. He also tried to delay discussion several times.

Given his track record of not putting up anyone that has a high ammount of votes, I would actually guess it DOES hurt to try.

Given your track record of tunneling on me and your making assumptions for everyone, this statement from you is about par for the course.
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Since there has been no word from farside, I am putting together a nomination and reasoning post now, give me a few minutes to get it all together, please...

[LlamaFluff]

kmd is basically viewed as a strong town read by everyone.

I don't recall

everyone

stating a strong town read on kmd. Can you please quote where

everyone

stated that?

Can you quote where anyone but you was remotely happy with a kmd nom?

I can only assume that its the same to everyone else.

You do a lot of assuming for everyone.

Yep. Percentage wise, what did you think the chance of kmd getting lynched was.

You case on sens was pretty much crap

No, much like you, Sens was tunneling on me. He also tried to delay discussion several times.

Well im only tunneling that your ideas are really shitty. Which most people seem to agree with me on.

Given his track record of not putting up anyone that has a high ammount of votes, I would actually guess it DOES hurt to try.

Given your track record of tunneling on me and your making assumptions for everyone, this statement from you is about par for the course.

You arent listening to anyones ideas, and almost everyone disagrees with you on almost every stance you have taken. Im trying to beat that into you any way I can. If you want to call it tunneling call it tunneling, but if you think im going to stop because of that you have another thing coming.

[farside22]

farside: I am requesting a 3 hour extension of deadline as discussion has picked up greatly and want to give those who could be at work a chance to post before making my final nomination announcement.

No way. I post many times over and gave 48 hours to do a pick. I want a pick in the next 1 or I'm picking someone myself.

[SlySly]

Replacement suggestions and reasoning so far:

Llama(1)

- SlySly (tunneling, lobby for waste of POV, ignoring questions)

zwet(2)

- Mr. finch (non-participation, useless), animo (non-participation, useless)

saber(1)

- hewitt (policy lynch, suspects won't be helpful)

snow_bunny(1)

- saber (no reason given)

animo(2)

- Llama (crap he pulled), Crazy (ani voted Sens due to Sens replacement request)

siroginous(1)

- pablito (saying a bunch of nothing, push for specific plan earlier)

3 votes by reason of not helpful or non-participation, 4 if you cound pablito's "bunch of nothing" reasoning.

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Suggested evictee list so far (subject to change):

SlySly (HoH)

- kmd
zwet
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kmd

- Paltry

Mr Finch

saber
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saber

- Mr Finch (gut feeling)
SensFan
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snow_bunny

- saber (all the obvious reasons)
siroginous (numbers talk/distraction, general scum read)
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animopherv

- zwet (gut read)
Mr Finch (gut read)
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llama

- saber
zwet
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sironigous

- SensFan (deadline appearance after lurk, attacking Sly)
snow_bunny (ignoring posts and not answering questions)
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SensFan

- saber

SlySly (anger, vote not included in count as it can't be taken seriously by HoH)

zwet
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Mr Finch

- saber
zwet
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Paltry

- saber
zwet
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Crazy

- Mr Finch
animopherv
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Grandi

pablito

- sironigous
snow_bunny
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Yet to submit nomination suggestions: zwet, DisCode

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First off, the majority of you were no help in the nomination period at all. Some of you that chose not to help complained the most about me not going with the majority of reasonless suggestions.

I still think Llama is the best nomination at this point but I am going to go with the reasoning of the majority and nominate someone who is not participating.

nominate:DisCode

Choose carefully, your votes can't be undone.

[LlamaFluff]

being replaced is a excellent scumtell...

did you just think "picking llama will get me nommed tomorrow so I will pick someone that will piss him off the most"

Hell if you are going to say the "hur hur people were putting up 'useless' players so I chose one too", there were people getting multiple noms (ani) for legitimate stuff.

I need a bit of a cool down here as it went from "strong town v slight town" to "medium town v slight (improving) town"

[animorpherv1]

there were people getting multiple noms (ani) for legitimate stuff.

Thanks, my self confidence just shot through the roof....

[farside22]

Discode you now must sit in the chair next to SensFan/Hewitt.
If you guys want to say something before the votes are cast you may do so at this time.
The votes are now going to be in effect and the deadline does not change.
All votes are due by Monday (this Monday) no later then 4:30pm PST

[animorpherv1]

DisCode:

Why should you be aloud to "live"?

What will you do to help us catch mafia?

Will you be active?

Hewitt:

Where do you think SensFan went wrong?

What will you do to help us catch mafia?

Anything else we should know?

CONDITIONAL VOTE:

IF DisCode doesn't get back to me in 24 HOURS (aka 1 day) I would like to vote:DisCode

[SlySly]

being replaced is a excellent scumtell...

did you just think "picking llama will get me nommed tomorrow so I will pick someone that will piss him off the most"

Hell if you are going to say the "hur hur people were putting up 'useless' players so I chose one too", there were people getting multiple noms (ani) for legitimate stuff.

I haven't seen an announcement that DisCode is being replaced.

I will be nommed tomorrow if several specific players get HoH. That is the nature of being HoH, someone will not like your nominations and they will want you on the block. My survival is not key to winning this game, I just have to do my best and help eliminate scum. Review the suggestions that were given and the reasoning behind them and you will see that I really wasn't given much to work with. I had some gut feelings, null tells, emotional pleas, and some bandwagon hopping, but not much in actual suggestion due to scum hunting and revelation. I think you are scum so I put up who you suggested as HoH since it was fairly obvious you would have been kept over hewitt. If you want him as HoH, that gives me good reason to think he might be scum and that would explain his uber lurking. You said yourself that lurking in a mafia game is a bad thing. He has not been participating and that is the same reason given by the majority of those who felt it was important enough to participate in the replacement nominee phase, so you can't say I didn't go with the majority, I did, just not in the way you might have expected. If it were up to me, I would have you on the block and would be trying to help hewitt convince everyone to keep his helpful self around as opposed to your tunneling self, hun.

For those who chose not to participate, you have nothing to whine about as you chose to not participate.

[LlamaFluff]

If you want him as HoH, that gives me good reason to think he might be scum and that would explain his uber lurking. You said yourself that lurking in a mafia game is a bad thing. He has not been participating and that is the same reason given by the majority of those who felt it was important enough to participate in the replacement nominee phase, so you can't say I didn't go with the majority, I did, just not in the way you might have expected.

He was NOT LURKING. Look at his history. A few good posts, a gap untill a 'will catchup' post, then nothing. So thats not lurking, thats flaking, which is a null tell.

You did not "listen to the town but just go a slightly different way". You just made a move basically to spite me. Again you ignored pushes on scummy players and even pushes on useless players to push a flaker who I saw as town.

[SlySly]

You just made a move basically to spite me.

Not spite, I think you are scum, so I chose someone you wanted in power.

[SlySly]

He was NOT LURKING. Look at his history. A few good posts, a gap untill a 'will catchup' post, then nothing. So thats not lurking...

This is laughable.

[Snow_Bunny]

I don't know why Sly wanted everyone's opinion on the replacement nominate, if he isn't going to listen to that any roads.

[SlySly]

I don't know why Sly wanted everyone's opinion on the replacement nominate, if he isn't going to listen to that any roads.

Just because I didn't choose who was one of the most suggested doesn't mean I didn't listen. You were 1 of 2 that gave reason for the original suggestions. 2 out of 13 is not much to work with as far as reasoning goes. In the replacement phase, you were 1 of 4 who chose not to participate. Also in the replacement phase, there was no general consensus on the picks. Before the deadline bandwagon hopping, zwet had 2 votes and animo had 2 votes with 4 other players having 1 vote. The majority of the suggestions were by reason of non-participation and my choice reflected that stance. So if that truly was the reason behind those choices, those making those choices based on that reason, truly should have no reason with my pick and should choose to evict on that same reasoning.

[Kmd4390]

I had to sign up for every single game in the sign up thread that was currently open, and not flake from any of them. If I manged to not flake, and finish every game, I win and I get to change his avatar for 2 months. If I lose, he changes mine for two months. Luckily, Ani left lots of loopholes, so I've campaigned for my lynch in every game I'm in that I signed up for.

Hope that doesn't change things with us hewitt

Wow, you're a dick. Ruining games for an avatar bet. I don't want my creation of avatar beta turning into something like that...

Back on topic saberwolf you're not playing with SensFan anymore so don't ever refer to my spot as SensFan again. I know that's a little hypocritical since I just compared another player to him in a game we're both in but I'd prefer if everything to do with him was past tense.

*Shrug*

When you replace a player, you take responsibility for any tells that player gave off. I'm still leaning slightly town on you and some of that comes from Sens. That's just the proper way to look at the game.

Why me, Kmd?

Bit busy now, will post something useful later, when I have time.

Because I have no idea who you'd nominate, so it would force you to either pick two players or let the town guide you. Either way, it helps town get a read on you.

Oh, I see. Don't worry, if I must put my effort on it, I will.

Hypothetically, who would you nominate right now if you had to choose two players?

Still awaiting answer from kmd on this...

Llama is on the hotseat. What do you think of the POV being wasted on you when you had no votes on you? Think that decision was a little on the rushed side? If yes, what does that say to you?

If Hewitt is town and your replacement nominee is scum and is evicted, the veto wasn't wasted.

I would have gotten more of a reaction from everyone before actually using it, but I don't have a problem with the fact that he used it. The no votes thing is BS. Paltry, if I'm remembering correctly, didn't want to vote Sens. So it makes sense to want a new player on the block.

nominate:DisCode

Choose carefully, your votes can't be undone.

Vote DisCode

I really like this choice.

He was NOT LURKING. Look at his history. A few good posts, a gap untill a 'will catchup' post, then nothing. So thats not lurking, thats flaking, which is a null tell.

what was good about his posts?

[PaltryExcuse]

Sorry for being non-existant these past couple days. School got the best of me, and I will catch up after some sleep. I feel especially bad in this game as it was during a re-nomination I caused. I apologize again.

[zwetschenwasser]

Sorry, but I'm V/LA currently until I can get my life back into working order

[SlySly]

If Hewitt is town and your replacement nominee is scum and is evicted, the veto wasn't wasted.

Nailing scum has been my goal the whole time. If not for the play of hewitt, I would still think Sens was scum and would be happy with my original nominations. The discussion lost due to the hasty POV use could still leave it as being interpreted as a waste. My new nomination came directly from one of your questions while you were on the block. Luckily, it had not been wasted already, or that question may have never been asked and answered.

I would have gotten more of a reaction from everyone before actually using it, but I don't have a problem with the fact that he used it. The no votes thing is BS.

I disagree that the no votes thing is BS because it stopped kmd vs Sens discussion in its tracks. I may have felt a lot better about its use after some discussion and some votes had been placed. Discussion, and/or voting patterns, might have helped clear one of you two in my mind, which may have made my replacement choice easier. I think some information came out of the situation anyway, so not a total loss either way.

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Sorry, but I'm V/LA currently until I can get my life back into working order

Deadline for voting is monday. Please think about this deadline and do us all a favor by requesting replacement now if there is even a small possibility that you may not have time to think about and submit your vote by then, which, as already stated by the mod, could result in a modkill.

[Snow_Bunny]

Hypothetically, I would nominate Sly and Zwet.

[hewitt]

Where do you think SensFan went wrong?

What will you do to help us catch mafia?

Anything else we should know?

First of all I think SensFan went wrong joining this site. I just in general think he's an awful person to play Mafia with and this game once again proved I was right.

In this game I think he was just being too moody and unhelpful and generally doing a really job of purposely pissing people off to make himself feel better. To help catch the Chenbots (drat you Julie!) and the producers I think I will do a very good job of people able to deduce who is taking advantage of other players in this game and I think I'll do a good job of staying present, informative, and dissectible.

Basically, I think I'm a much more helpful person to keep around in this game than DisCode and I think I've already showed that with how little I've been here compared to how long he's been here.

The DisCode nomination surprises me, definitely was not what I was expecting. Which reminded me of the Big Brother recurring theme "Expect the Unexpected". Keep in mind that the mod could possibly be pulling some twists from past Big Brother Seasons such as two players playing as one until a certain point and then they get to split (Twin Twist Season 5) or voting back in a player who has already been evicted (Seasons 4, 6, 9).

Back to DisCode I definitely don't think he was the most obvious choice and not one that I would've seriously considered. He hasn't been posting for six days which is a cardinal sin in my book but earlier in the game he didn't seem too awful. I don't agree with this nomination but it's certainly better than a LlamaFluff nomination in my opinion. This will be interesting because I definitely can't peg DisCode as a floater for sure, but we'll see I suppose.

If DisCode is evicted and then elects me HoH I would listen to everybody's input and then most likely nominate SlySly and a weak pawn that I wouldn't mind seeing evicted either such as saberwolf, zwetschenwasser, or Snow_Bunny.

[SlySly]

If DisCode is evicted and then elects me HoH I would listen to everybody's input and then most likely nominate SlySly and a weak pawn...

The thanks I get for saving someone's neck!!! rofl!!

[Snow_Bunny]

What were you expecting with your scummy actions? Be declared safe town for the rest of the game?

[Kmd4390]

Sly, so we agree that the veto being used quickly was probably wrong, correct? Because I thought your issue was the fact that it was used. If it was the speed of it, I can see that. Although that seems more like a playstyle thing than a scumtell.

Snow, thanks for the answer.

Hewitt, I find the use of the word "pawn" weird next to the names you list.

Sly, how the hell have you "saved Hewitt's neck"? You nominated him (well..Sens) for eviction.