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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:34 pm
by Stels
gandalf5166 wrote:Actually, I would like to call for the town to lynch me. I cannot say more than that you don't want my role to stay alive. I'm pretty sure I'm the semi-bastard role.
Lynch Vote: gandalf5166
Town Vote: Nachomamma8
Are you trying to play jester here?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:48 am
by Kirbyoshi
@mod: I am currently LV-ing mongoose.
Gandalf's softclaim.....hmmmm. He could actually be jester, he could be scum trying to play jester, or he could be something completely different. At the moment, I'm not sure. Rereading now.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:56 am
by Kirbyoshi
ISO'd him. Couldn't find anything. The only thing I found that might be used against him is that he went V/LA and still posted regularly. Either that or he came back like 10 days early.
@mod: When a certain indy (jester, lyncher, etc.) meets his win condition (if there even is such a role in the game), what happens? Does the game end? Does it continue as normal?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:25 am
by Stels
I think that's a rhetorical question. I mean, what's the point in gathering 28 people together and ending it when only 1 person wins. I'm pretty sure that the jester or w/e gets removed from the game after winning. This info is found in the wiki and the flash intro. >_>
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:26 am
by Stels
Oh, and the game goes as normal, if you still don't get it.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:58 am
by Kocc42
But for smaller games you might have the more evil variation that ends the game immediately.
Gandalf needs to explain himself.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:38 am
by gandalf5166
I am not a jester or any kind of third-party, I am protown, and I'm saying that it's much better if my role gets lynched. I will say my role if everyone PROMISES that they will lynch me today.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:48 am
by Pikachu
[AGM]
Promise is pointless because if it's jester nobody is going to do it.
So how about you just tell us and then we decide?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:54 am
by gandalf5166
I'm Peach, the Beloved Princess. I thought about it over night, and the risk of me being NKed is too great. So I decided that me being lynched would be better. Now you're probably thinking that the end result is the same: a wasted day phase. But it's not. 1. If we lynch me, we can still pick a smash ball recipient. 2. You can still use the reactions to the claim to help find scum. By the way, mod said that some people MIGHT not like it. I'm pretty sure that everyone hates jesters.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:55 am
by gandalf5166
Even better, I could be day-vigged. Then, I still lose if I'm the jester. Plus, we preserve the day phase.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:20 am
by Framm 18
gandalf5166 wrote:I'm Peach, the Beloved Princess. I thought about it over night, and the risk of me being NKed is too great. So I decided that me being lynched would be better. Now you're probably thinking that the end result is the same: a wasted day phase. But it's not. 1. If we lynch me, we can still pick a smash ball recipient. 2. You can still use the reactions to the claim to help find scum. By the way, mod said that some people MIGHT not like it. I'm pretty sure that everyone hates jesters.
Wait a second. I am not familiar with this role, but...
You are saying lynch you, a townie, but we still get the smashball (We get it no matter what anyways), then we lose another lynch the following day, as opposed to you being NKed and us only losing one Lynch. Why as a goodie would you want to do that? It makes no sense to me. That makes you appear even more scummy than before.
Also, now that you have shown your face again, Vezokener, can you start scumhunting, or are you going to go back into hiding?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:29 am
by Gollum
Chronopie wrote:@Gollum: What would you say to a rabbit stew... With taters? /off-topic
Tasty. We will takes it.
We are still intrested to know why the fate did not kill the mongoose last night.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:45 am
by Zaziesurio
Okay, sorry, I am here.
Zazie, however, hasn't responded to my PM yet, and I'm not town/lynch voting without him since he's supposedly back from V/LA. Supposedly.
This looks to me exactly like the process of bussing would look - "I'm 'okay' with my buddy's lynch, but I don't support it...Oh wait, more votes? Then I'm on the wagon!" Then they (it?) goes on to call diddin obvscum even though they hardly made a case against him, just saying "I don't buy his ISO" doesn't fly.
I fail to see where I said I did not support diddin's lynch. I also fail to see how calling someone obvscum despite not pioneering the case on someone is scummy. There was not that much
to
the case on Diddin; our collective reasons for voting him could be summed up in one or two sentences and once one person's made their case, I don't see what's wrong with simply saying "Y'know, I've looked over the person in question's iso and I agree with the case x made on y, vote: y."
Re: Gandalf, I assume in a game this large there is a doctor or two in the game that could protect him from being NKed by scum, thus preventing us from having to lose a day at all. I don't know if it's a good idea, though, considering the doc should be available to protect other, actually useful roles/what if the doctor dies in late game and we get screwed b/c of it? Probably a stupid idea, but figured I might as well point it out anyway.
He has a good point about getting a smash ball recipient if we lynch him as opposed to letting him get NKed.
We are still intrested to know why the fate did not kill the mongoose last night.
Seconded.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:52 am
by The Master Hand
Kirbyoshi wrote:@mod: When a certain indy (jester, lyncher, etc.) meets his win condition (if there even is such a role in the game), what happens? Does the game end? Does it continue as normal?
The game continues as normal.
mothrax (0):
Pikachu (0):
kocc42 (0):
manho (0):
MehPlusRawr (1): Furry
gandalf5166 (5): Fate, MehPlusRawr, Gollum, gandalf5166, xVEZOKNERx
I doubt it (0):
Fate (0):
Switz (0):
Stels (0):
Kirbyoshi (2): manho
Nachomamma8 (0):
xVEZOKNERx (2): Framm 18, tanstalas
Zaziesurio (1): Switz
mongoose (2): Kocc42, Kirbyoshi
Bunnylover (0):
Framm 18 (0):
Furry (0):
Chronopie (1): Chronopie
tanstalas (0):
Gollum (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
SharkFinn (0):
Brian Hollywood (0):
With 24 alive it's 13 to lynch!
mothrax (0):
Pikachu (0):
kocc42 (0):
manho (0):
MehPlusRawr (0):
gandalf5166 (0):
I doubt it (0):
Switz (0):
Stels (0):
Kirbyoshi (0):
Nachomamma8 (9): Kirbyoshi, Nachomamma8, Stels, manho, Pikachu, Chronopie, mongoose, Kocc42, gandalf5166
xVEZOKNERx (0):
Zaziesurio (0):
mongoose (0):
Bunnylover (0):
Framm 18 (0):
Furry (5): Pikachu, tanstalas, Switz, mothrax, Gollum
Chronopie (0):
tanstalas (0):
Gollum (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
PaltryExcuse (0):
Brian Hollywood (0):
The person with the most Town Votes by the end of today will receive the Smash Ball.
Deadline is August 30th, 2010 at 12:20 PM CST. Majority will not automatically result in the person gaining the Smash Ball, thought.
Fate may no longer compete for the Smash Ball.
SharkFinn has replaced PaltryExcuse! Welcome him to the game.
manho has announced V/LA until August 14th, 2010.
Checking for prods now.
I doubt it, Nachomamma8, MafiaSSK, and Brian Hollywood are being prodded.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:43 am
by Kirbyoshi
Mod, did someone steal my vote?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:51 am
by manho
@gandalf, can you state what will happen if you are lynched and if you are night-killed?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:57 am
by MafiaSSK
Prodded. Will try and catch up.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:52 am
by Kocc42
If a Beloved princes dies we lose our following Day phase because everyone is busy mourning her death. I thought that happened regardless if it was by lynch or night kill. I also doubt that's our bastard role.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:03 am
by Framm 18
Kocc42 wrote:If a Beloved princes dies we lose our following Day phase because everyone is busy mourning her death. I thought that happened regardless if it was by lynch or night kill. I also doubt that's our bastard role.
Once again, if that is the case then why do we want to lynch Gandalf if he is telling the truth?
I would think that it would be better to have him killed at night if that is the case, so that we don't waste this lynch and forego the next lynch, anyways.
A worse case scenerio if we wer to lynch gandalf, would mean losing a townie this lynch, having 1-3 townies after the lynch, foregoing the next lynch and losing another 1-2 townies the next night.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:02 am
by Pikachu
[FRIEND]
@Mod: My side of the hydra is going to be V/LA until Tuesday 8/17. Sorry guys.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:32 am
by gandalf5166
I'm sorry, it seems I was not clear. If I am lynched, it is as if I was a VT. Nothing happens. We only lose a day if I'm Nked. That's why I would much rather I were lynched. Also, looking at my role PM, it doesn't say anything about day vigs. So........ probably not worth the risk.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:36 am
by gandalf5166
To clear up any jester concerns, think about it. Are there any SSB character's that would make any sense as jesters?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:15 pm
by Chronopie
No characters (afaik) fit a jester role. TBQH, I actually had (privately) speculated on Peach being a Beloved Princess role.
Nevertheless, Lynching a Beloved Princess is not the right call. We would be lynching a (near confirmed due to exclusively town role) townie, have the standard NK(s), and then lose another day for the funeral.
We would be far better off treating gandalf/Peach as conf. town, lynch someone scummy, and
possibly
having a doc protect Gandalf so we don't lose said days.
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:31 pm
by gandalf5166
Chronopie wrote:No characters (afaik) fit a jester role. TBQH, I actually had (privately) speculated on Peach being a Beloved Princess role.
Nevertheless, Lynching a Beloved Princess is not the right call. We would be lynching a (near confirmed due to exclusively town role) townie, have the standard NK(s), and then lose another day for the funeral.
We would be far better off treating gandalf/Peach as conf. town, lynch someone scummy, and
possibly
having a doc protect Gandalf so we don't lose said days.
I guess...... But what if there is no doc? I guess mafia would still have to assume that there was. Hmmmmmm.....
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:41 pm
by Switz
gandalf5166 wrote:I'm sorry, it seems I was not clear. If I am lynched, it is as if I was a VT. Nothing happens. We only lose a day if I'm Nked. That's why I would much rather I were lynched. Also, looking at my role PM, it doesn't say anything about day vigs. So........ probably not worth the risk.
If this is actually true, it might actually be worth lynching Gandalf today because we'll get our D3 without having to worry about whether the Doc we don't know exists will or should save him. But that's not normally how the Beloved Princess role works, which is why I'm a little skeptical. Gandalf, your role specifically states that lynching you nullifies the Beloved Princess effect?
If it doesn't, I too don't support lynching him today. Otherwise, I'm all for getting rid of a potential trap.