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hitogoroshi wrote:

Furpants_Tom wrote:OK, fair enough. It's an explanation, at least; although I think Benmage fetishing Fate and claiming it as a stalk remains a real possibility. Why do you think it's not?

Fate, Destroyed by an Unspeakable Being N1

Yes, if he was planning to claim it as a murder (although, he may not have realised the flavour was different, either). If he was always planning to back off and promise not to kill Fate, it's a great way of ensuring he's unguarded, and explaining a useless action and an insanity. Surely that's a possibility?

hitogoroshi wrote:

Plum wrote:Town Alliance of Awesome
Plum
ReaperCharlie
hitorogoshi

RC and Hito, suggestions for other members? I like to keep my Townreads working like a well-oiled machine <3

Furcolow.

Also I vote that we are The Brofessionals in honor of Furcolow. You don't need to feel slighted, Plum, because Bro is a state of mind and not gender-specific.

Maybe Spyrex can be a bro too. I think I like his points on AV but I have literally zero operating knowledge of AV because I can't remember a single point he (? just guessing with no listed gender) made. I'll need to ISO spy and AV (day and a half and I have to resort to ISO's, hot damn) and try to find my position in the conflict. Also since there seems to be some brahgnotive dissonance on whether the most apbroriate wagon is Baby Spice or Seacore, I'll try to run a comparison between the two. Before the fact I feel that Seacore's tunneling and "if you're not scummy, this is a policy lynch" trumps Baby Spice going after a point that maybe a townie could believe in, but there's never any harm in listening to my bros.

DUH Furc. Brainfreeze on my part. I wouldn't go without Furc in the brotherhood. And I'm happy to be a bro. Not sure about SpyreX being a bro which would be a first, just about. That said so much stuff in so little time in this threas means it's just as likely I'm missing some good stuff from him. I'd be okay either way. Oh wait - I could go for Fate and/or Benmage too, but it could just derail the point, so.

hitogoroshi wrote:Sunk costs are an economic fallacy. Ben wasted his N0 action, but that doesn't mean he should waste his N1 action and a rez kit just to confirm himself and make use of his stalk. You can deal with having to prove your alignment by behavior in-thread like the rest of us, with the added bonus that you get a huge head start because your actions are super unlikely from a scum viewpoint. Sure it could be scum WIFOM, which means you will still have to contribute some content to prove your good intentions. It's not worth burning a rez kit and some night actions just to absolve you of this responsibility.

Hmph, fine. Still think that in this specific circumstance it'd be better, but you point is decent and sensible, so I won't argue. That said, if we don't trust Benmage not to kill Fate and we think Fate's Town, what then?

Furpants_Tom wrote:Quality work, beautiful to watch some of the most contested players in the game scramble to make it into the kool kids klub. Well trolled.

??????????

(483) - you remember precisely the time when you stopped reading the sign up thread? I also love the contradiction about having all the time in the world when he accused us of making cases when you weren't around so you couldn't respond.

(523) - I don't think should use your Occult Books on Benmage. I think you should use the Books on Furcolow. He is lying. He is probably going Murderer if he is not Cult. Whatever your result on Furculow is good information for us. If he is lying (either about going Murderer or being Cult) then he has an insanity (either from Stalk or Craft Fetish) and you will get a result since you will have no insanities (even if someone passed you a fetish since that resolves after the Commune action). If he has no insanities then you still have your Books and Furculow is cleared of doing something non-town. I think this is the best course of action right now, and it clears up Fucolow to a greater degree than anything else. Can someone double check my thinking and resolution/insanities? Are there any flaws in this?

UNVOTE:

Up to 23 now.

xvart.

I'll deal with you tomorrow thread.

FFF

@the latest post that was not awesome: WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY NIGHT ACTION YOU UNCONFIRMED SACK OF LIST POSTER

Hello, Furcolow confirmed town? In what game because it's not this one.
Prooven lier, prooven that he is trying to play to his 'town meta' (Something only scum need to do), hell just so scummy in every way.

Let alone his own relentless push to try and claim mod-confirmed-town.

Hell, we haven't even confirmed his night action, only his target.

Finally, Percy did not change the rules for ward at all. His correction was to the descriptive part of the hear noise. Ask him yourself if you doubt me.


Anyway, I'm off to a two day Bloodbowl tourney this weekend, so though I may be able to check in via my kindle if I find a hot-spot.

Plum. For the record, I always liked you. (well, a little bit).

Also;

Either/or (him or BS) makes me haaaapppyyy!!!!!

Furpants #392 wrote:Number 1 with a bullet. Badass. It's a list of the people who have only posted to agree with other people, isn't it?

It's more of a 'list of gut-scum.' and an open declaration that I am watching your every damn move. (also, future me adds: Fate makes a good outlining of my feelings in his #529)

Seacore #393 is horrible.
Tell me, do you think it's possible that a wannabe murderer will go with that sort of WIFOM given the near-impossible wincon? In the last game, no murderer openly claimed shit like that (Even ani, who stayed Town for the rest of the game.)

Regardless,

Lost butterfly #410 is scummalicious.

Furcolow is still Town.

Seacore #427 is just as horrible as his #393

Seacore #474: Really now? Furcolow claimed that the recipient of his Ward action was El Goosuki RIGHT ON PAGE 1. And then he dug himself in a hole by saying some UNIMPORTANT SHITTY SHIT SHIT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about Drippereth and now the cult are partying in their Daytalk about an easy mislynch.

Although something



totallynotmafia's #481 is a likely scenario. I won't be surprised if furc does something stupid like, post the N0 PM based on how he's been reacting.

Oh great, MoI's #490 is scum too!

I am not reading SSBF's #491 wall of scum. The Furcolow vote is horribad though.

Fate's #523 is real awesome.

Something is off with MoI's #542. It reads a LOT like buddy distancing, especially since they're like OMGUS voting each other here. In this wall, he only mentions AV twice -> "Your response is underwhelming" + "SpyreX's case is compelling.". MoI doesn't read like his usual aggressive self..

BRO-DRIUS, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO 'GET BACK ON' #574? OH WAIT, YOU MEAN YOUR ISO #7. WHAT DO YOU MEAN SEARCH FOR SOMETHING AWESOME? Also, no-bro, I'm Town in this game. 8D. (Percy should add a masonry mechanic, even if it's just for us two. 8D) Also, why aren't you openly claiming your noise, breadcrummyness aside?(And I'm not seeing the breadcrumbs. D: )

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God damn, this game is a bitch to catch up to. So much punishment for sleeping.

Thanks, the plan emerged after realising that (a) we needed to keep Fate alive, and (b) we needed to test Fate wasn't lying, which are kind of contradictory things, but I think the plan - though it's not watertight - does have its merits. But if Benmage doesn't shoot he needs to tell us before the night phase :S

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Fate wrote:ASSVOROUX:

REZ KITS SHOULD NOT BE WASTED ON TOWN ON TOWN VIOLENCE. THIS ENCOURAGES INSANITY OF BOTH KINDS

WHAT THE HELL

Wtf is this aversion to insanities?! You can pick something like "Twitchy" and it's FINE if we know the reason for it.

And even if Benmage doesn't shoot/kill you, we still need to Res you tonight because if you use Occult Books on Benmage - but then get killed by, I don't know, - we'll then have no idea if it was Ben-as-cult or someone-else-framing-Ben-as-cult. Why don't you want Res kits?! If you've actually got a res kit yourself and were lying about the occult books, now would be the time to admit it.

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xvart wrote:If he is lying (either about going Murderer or being Cult) then he has an insanity (either from Stalk or Craft Fetish) [...] Can someone double check my thinking and resolution/insanities? Are there any flaws in this?

Yes; those flaws being
(a) Do you really believe he stalked N0? If so why do you think that he claimed to hear any noise, when his previous experience with SA would have pointed to Warders hearing noise?
(b) You only get an insanity from crafting three Fetishes in one night. If he crafted two, he would NOT have received any insanities.

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I can get on board with either a Seacore or a Baby Spice vote; my reasons for finding them suspicious are pretty similar.

AurorusVox wrote:

SpyreX wrote:9.) Hell no you didn't say "scummy". You said "I don't like" that's one of those quantifications that are so awesome.

Why would I notlike it if I found it townie? I forgot I had to spell everything out.

Oh look, I did actually spell it out;

AurorusVox wrote:I don't like the fact that

Andrius

has RVS'd VasudeVa but then FoS'd (rather than voted) Bowser. Considering that Bowser has a five-strong wagon by the time of his post (#342),

it looks very suspicious to me.

He continues to keep the VasudeVa RV through the rest of his catchup posts.

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Do you really think Furc warded one of his scumpartners?

Benmage wrote:Oh and totally not Mafia....how would lyncjig me after killing fate make any sense????

And I am down for seacore lynch.

I'm talking about the case in which everybody tells you not to carry out the murder on fate yet you still do it. Whether or not it makes sense doesn't matter I can guarantee you will most likely be lynched the next day for it.

Anyway, I'm not so keen on the plan anymore, and I'm actually thinking it might be a bad idea, namely for the fact that because we can't direct someone specific to rez fate, we may end up wasting all of town's rez kits with everyone trying to rez him, or the opposite with nobody rezzing him at all. I think the point of the whole exercise was lost a bit too, which was to try and call BM's bluff, as his reluctance to murder somebody he apparently abhors was pretty damn fishy. Anyway, I think if anything the plan was useful to see people's reactions to it.

Okay, the noise/ward list is almost complete. We just need to know if Triglav used ward and if Andrius heard noise or warded.

*sigh* Everytime I think I've figured out the Furcolow situation, a better argument gets brought up. Specifically, AurorusVox and Ojanen both bring up a good argument pointing towards Furcolow is town, but I also need to consider Baby Spice's argument. *thinking*

Is it just me, or has Benmage disagreed and or tried to prevent every plan that would confirm that he is town? The plan to have him kill Fate he was against. He's been trying to get Fate lynched instead. Benmage also tried to persuade Fate to not use commune on him here. I don't know why he would have a problem with being confirmed as town if he actually was town. But he has a large motivation for trying to prevent it if he is scum. To be fair, I don't think Fate's plan would work, because Benmage could easily get himself an insanity tonight before Fate uses commune, but Benmage isn't even using this reason to persuade Fate. It could be a coincidence that he didn't like either plan, but I am going to keep my eye on Benmage. I currently think that having Benmage attempt to kill Fate while somebody protects him would be the best plan.

I don't like El Goosuki's reads either. There are really only 1 or 2 people in his list of Ba-a-A-a-d pipl that I think are actually scum.

totallynotmafia wrote:For me, because town are genuinely trying to find the scum, and scum are trying to look like they're genuinely trying to find the scum, the only real "scumtells" I look for or rely on are the unecessary bits people include or the bits that on the surface look innocent or pro-town or even just a throwaway line but an actual town member would be unlikely to say it in that situation - kind of like you can tell someone is lying when they overcompensate by providing too much information. So yes, you stating you would like to hear more from certain people that early in the game with already a wealth of posts (I mean, you could have just said "I don't have a read on these players yet"), was the most voteworthy thing at that stage.

So, do you have any reads on anybody other than me? Also, what do you think of xvart posting the noise and ward lists?

totallynotmafia wrote:Your explanation is plausible, just not sure if I believe it yet.

Think of it this way. I mentioned my town reads. Then I mentioned my scum reads. Then I mentioned the players I needed to hear more from all in the same paragraph. Why would I ask for more posting from players I already have reads on? I wouldn't. Obviously, I asked for more posts because I couldn't read them, and I think it makes sense that those were my neutral reads because they followed immediately after my town reads and scumreads.

totallynotmafia wrote:Fate, if BM is town and genuinely believes you're scum he's probably gonna go ahead and murder you anyway, and if you flip town then we're probably gonna lynch BM tomorrow, so the whole thing would be disastrous in the end.

Umm... If BM murders Fate that means he isn't cult because cult can't murder. So... why would we lynch him in that case?

I'm not sure if totallynotmafia actually is totally not mafia. Nearly everything he's said has been regarding content aside from his suspicion of me. Apart from that, I don't think he has given us any reads, and again, I'm not believing that his suspicion of me is the best he's got.

However, I think I'd rather for the point AurorusVox brought up combined with the points I brought up in my catchup post. I also get the impression that he is deliberately misinterprating the main point against him. More later. I am two pages behind and it seems like I always will be. D:

This fucking game.

I really don't understand the Baby Spice hate. Looking through her posts they come across as newb town to me. I absolutely understand where she's coming from with the furc hate but since that's not going anywhere w/e. The rest of her posts don't look bad though, I think the reaction to someone claiming being confirmed town isn't scummy either, it happens most games, and it's really not indicative of alignment. Not seeing her as scum at all. Bad wagon.

Can't say the Elli/DGB hydra have done anything for me so far. DGB putting Fate on her scum list is bizarre, and they've seemed to be on the periphery of the game for the most part.

Where's Kunkstar?

Triglav's still scum btw. A multi hydra head (at least 3 it seems ) with only 2 posts at this stage is unacceptable. The fact their first post contained a vote on xvart for a really poor reason 'lol you made a list' is also really bad.

xvart #627 wrote:Can someone double check my thinking and resolution/insanities? Are there any flaws in this?

I checked it, but you're unfortunately wrong. First, there is no reason to believe cultists would have any insanities yet. On last count, only 11 of us had heard noises, including players who were warded/stalked, which would suggest that no cultist crafted more than two fetishes and thus took no insanities. Also, they cannot all even have crafted fetishes, or more players would have heard noises. Second, pass fetish resolves before commune, so passing a fetish to Fate would make his investigation useless.

However... if the cultists really have no insanities yet, and thus no reason to worry about an investigation, they would not have to waste an action to pass a fetish to Fate. Thus, Fate can currently search for would-be murderers just fine, whether it is Furcolow or anyone else he might suspect. Even if Benmage kills him, recovering the occult books by grave robbing would clear Furcolow/whoever Fate decided to investigate.

Fate #629 wrote:@the latest post that was not awesome: WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY NIGHT ACTION YOU UNCONFIRMED SACK OF LIST POSTER

Calm. Down. No one is confirmed at this point, not me, not you, not even Furcolow, though he is closest of us to being confirmed (even though I suggested he might have stalked, I find the possibility remote). That doesn't mean we couldn't make suggestions, and as was pointed out by hitogoroshi, you investigating Benmage will tell us nothing and waste your books. If Benmage is cult, he can simply craft 3 fetishes (why launder?) and gain an insanity for you to detect. Because of this, investigating Benmage is pointless, and you should consider another target.

Wickedestjr #637 wrote:Okay, the noise/ward list is almost complete. We just need to know if Triglav used ward and if Andrius heard noise or warded.

Triglav #558 wrote:

Lost Butterfly #388 wrote:1) Triglav, did you ward last night--and if so, whom?

1. No, and if so we probably wouldn't have said. Why would you need to know whom, and why would this be the only slot you'd ask?

Andrius #272 wrote:

No Ward from me.

As for whether Andrius heard noise, he said he crumbed it, but I don't see where. Unless he means

Andrius #272 wrote:@ RC: I HEARD YOUR MOM AND FATE IN THE BUSHES. IT WAS LOUD.

this.

Wicked, wtf are you smoking?
Post 377 (iso 65):

Benmage wrote:Hito, there is too much wine for me to not kill fate. Plus I don't have a town read on her. And it still confirms me.....

Post 496 (iso 66):

Benmage wrote:From PG 16 I am killing fate because there's too much wine not too and apparently to many idiots who can honestly believe this some sort of scum ploy..gg fail town.

Post 508(iso 69):

Benmage wrote:All that said. I am still killing fate.

Furpants_Tom wrote:I have a strong suspicion that we're running down the same blind alleys into the same brick walls over and over. I'd quite like to discuss some other posters, and why they're acting the way they are.

This doesn't answer my question. How strong is the vote? Also, does this mean SpyreX isn't your top suspect at the moment?

SSBF wrote:Complusion: It removes blood off you anyway so you can use the actions that you have. Somewhat beneficial IMO

Bad idea. Having to launder every night that you are bloody means prevents you from performing more beneficial night actions. It's not the worst insanity to take, but there are much better ones. Did you see my list of insanities that would be good to take?

SSBF wrote:Only positive thing we got from the hydra with the first thirteen posts was that they heard noise, which supposedly makes Furcolow likely town.

Do you think it means he is town?

Confirming Benmage

I don't really see the problem with Benmage trying to kill Fate tonight and Fate getting protected. It confirms Benmage and the insanities don't cause too much of a problem, because we can just have him grave rob. In SA II there was a way to make sure that a player actually cooperated and grave robbed when they were supposed to. Is there something preventing that plan from working here?... because otherwise I don't see the harm in having Benmage become a grave robber after confirming him.

...okay. One page left.

Wickedestjr wrote:Ojanen

Who is this person? ._."

Ojanen's in the tribolite(sp?) hydra.

Gotcha, thanks ^^"

I'm still reading (basically have to take the day off work to deal with this pile)

but just wanted to say:

Seacore wrote:So, even with the two assumptions, a) that you're not cult and b) that you wouldn't go murderer, we still have you doing something which is so incredibly anti-town. You rarely get a better reason to lynch somebody day 1.

lol, wut?

Xvart have you ever played with furc before? If so, what game(s)?

xvart Post 603 wrote:Fucolow also has a tendancy to vote/FoS anyone who votes/casts suspicion on him.

FYI, he pretty does this as town.

= = = = =

Okay, things seemed to have calmed down which is good. Going to ISO a couple of people and decide together where the best place for our vote is. Better post coming later.

-Sotty.

AurorusVox, 633 wrote:(a) Do you really believe he stalked N0? If so why do you think that he claimed to

not

hear any noise, when his previous experience with SA would have pointed to Warders hearing noise?

I do not know what he did last night, but I do not believe he Warded last night. I would never presume to understand why Furcolow does what he does and why he says what he says. A lot of players I can attribute motivations or postulate why they might do something; but Furcolow is so far off the reservation it is fruitless.

AurorusVox, 633 wrote:(b) You only get an insanity from crafting three Fetishes in one night.

Well shit. Scratch that good plan. So seven cult members can craft a fetish of every single player in the game by roughly the conclusion of N2 (considering there were four wards N0) without gaining an insanity? Hmmmm...

AurorusVox, 633 wrote:And even if Benmage doesn't shoot/kill you, we still need to Res you tonight because if you use Occult Books on Benmage - but then get killed by, I don't know,

the cult

- we'll then have no idea if it was Ben-as-cult or someone-else-framing-Ben-as-cult. Why don't you want Res kits?! If you've actually got a res kit yourself and were lying about the occult books, now would be the time to admit it.

It's highly doubtful that the Cult would Craft Fetish of either Benmage or Fate, considering discussion in the sign up thread. But I suppose if they can craft multiple fetishes it's possible for later on.

We're only missing claim for the final list.

xvart.