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what's your short form reasoning for thinking DGB is scum here? ftr, I don't think omelet passing or whatever proves anything, so EK is wrong about that. But, I also don't think DGB has been that scummy so far. Nothing IS or Scumbrage has said has convinced me, so I'll give rational people a chance.

I'm having a hard time separating my emotions from scumreads in this IS/Umbrage ragefest. I still think it should be glaringly obvious that DGB is town, especially in light of my information. But I really don't want to argue about this forever. I will not be voting her. Ever. The case on her is basically stupid, and her night action is verified to be harmless.

I could really go for a vollkan or UT lynch at this point. I mean, if this really is a clusterfuck of town-town fighting, scum are sitting there laughing, so we should wagon somebody who is quietly fueling the fire (vollkan, LG) or somebody who has done noooooooooothing (UT).

what's your short form reasoning for thinking DGB is scum here? ftr, I don't think omelet passing or whatever proves anything, so EK is wrong about that. But, I also don't think DGB has been that scummy so far. Nothing IS or Scumbrage has said has convinced me, so I'll give rational people a chance.

If I could pin that one down I would. Its hard to quantify but everything is about 15 degrees off if that makes sense. It's really telling that, according to her own logic, she should be voting me and should have been out of the gate.

But no.

I think this is the best approach Re:DGB and loleggs.

↑ Amrun wrote:
If you want to stick a "for now" on it, go ahead, but instead we ought to just claim whomever gets the egg each day and if we get down to one scum and the egg suddenly stops going around... welp.

Personally, Im ignoring it.

I don't particularly want to compromise on my Umbrage but I can see the vollkan case but would rather make my own case before making a decision on him.

OK, I'm going to see what being calm gets me.

I'm assuming here that DGB's role is some sort of friendly neighbour role. Even if that's not the case, it's what EK claims to believe.

EK's actions don't add up. If, upon receiving the omelette, she thought it meant DGB was confirmed town, the first logical thing she would do is tell us about it.

But that's not what she did. She kept insisting DGB was town, but she never proved it when she could've all along. She let IS an myself rant for a while before she revealed the omelette. Why?

Similarly, DGB's first thought today should be about EK. She gave EK the omelette for a reason. Why?

EK had the knowledge that DGB was town the whole day. I'm not convinced that DGB being the Chicken Lady means she's town, but EK said she did. As far as she knew, she could confirm DGB, and yet she didn't.

Look. Either the omelette is harmless or it isn't. If it is, it's definitely some sort of friendly neighbour role, or whatever it's called. If so, DGB would use it to become confirmed town. That's it's only possible use.

So why, when targeted with a role she believed was used so that DGB can be confirmed town, did EK not immediately confirm DGB?

Furthermore, why didn't DGB try and confirm herself? At any time, she could've asked EK to say what happened.

The only explanation is that the omelette is NOT used in this way.

The omelette CAN'T be something good, or DGB would've said what it was. There's no point in giving a fellow townie a gift if they have no idea what to do with it.

So either the omelette's something bad, and it didn't work on EK, or there is no omelette.

If the former, DGB is either scum or a vig/vig-like role. If the latter, EK and DGB are scum together.

Let's assume the omelette is something bad. The fact that it apparently didn't work on EK means something. If an ability has different effects on different people, it's pretty much guaranteed to be based on alignment, like a CPR Doc.

So if DGB is town, she got an alignment result on EK. Which begs the question: WHY DIDN'T SHE SAY ANYTHING?



I'm not rolefishing. I'm just trying to see if there's any possible way EK and DGB can be town. Forget everything else. Think about it: THEIR ACTIONS MAKE NO SENSE. No matter what the omelette is or does, it has to do SOMETHING, and either EK or DGB had to have gotten a result from it. WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY ANYTHING?

You realise we revealed too much in the first place. There is a clear reason why no more as been revealed and it would be good to keep it that way. I agree DGB isn't confirmed however talking about it further is probably more likely than not, going to damage the town. All talk of her role needs to stop now. Pursuing it further places you top of my scum-tree.

Although that wouldn't really change your position upon the tree, my star.

Ok I have not slept in something like 40 hours. So this might be entirely unintelligible. But here goes some stuff I was thinking about on a reread.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:

vote: untrod tripod

almost forgot you were in the game lol

↑ VP Baltar wrote:short list is UT, Lucronis and vollkan.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:

↑ shaft.ed wrote:Untrod Tripod ... getting prodded

That's mod confirmed scum basically.

↑ VP Baltar wrote:

Spyrex wrote:VP why you take your good vote away and replace it with a bad vote?

I guess today is ironic question day. You left me hanging bro. I've been pointing out UT all day. The guys lurks like mad as scum, especially when pressure is on. Just lynched him as scum for that. Unfortunately, no one will apply real pressure with a vote.

There's literally everything VPB has had to say about me. I'm not really sure what your case is here. I lurk D1 so I'm scum? Cool. It's not like that's what I do every game or anything, but whatever we'll roll with it. Let's just ignore all the other scummy nonsense going on in this game to pretend you're pushing a lurker while you've got your vote parked on a screaming rager and your voting action yesterday was to participate in a town lynch. And I'm scum because I..didn't...lynch town? I'm not really following the logic. Not that there's really any to follow because your entire argument for me being scum can be boiled down to "because he's scum" and some kind of weak meta thing that really doesn't really hold true in the first place.

SpyreX's "case" on me is just as nonsensical, but whatever he's got a better avvy so we'll let it slide

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Like some others in the game I'm *really* not following how DGB's reported night action confirms her as town. Or scum. I reckon she has equal chances of being town, scum or 3rd party. The egg thing (with the information we have now) doesn't really say anything to me. Still her particular brand of insanity this game is not unusual, so I don't really call THAT scummy. Just crazy.


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The weirdest part of yesterday to me, on reread, is Umbrage going from "OMG YOU GUYS POPS IS SO OBVTOWN" to "OMG GUYS LET'S LYNCH POPS". I'm not really seeing a pro-town motivation to lynch someone you think is town. Correct me if I'm wrong here. If town-Umbrage thought pops was town, he really shouldn't have participated in the lynch. Scumpointz. Also the yelling. Ugh. Making stupid noise is a lot worse than my lurking. And the neighborfishing about DGB and EK is just bad news bears. Unless it was scumbussing. I guess Umbrage trying to scumbus DGB makes a certain amount of sense?

Also make up your mind, do you think the omlette neighborizes or masons? Because neighbors rarely have confirmed alignment. And also EK never claimed that it made DGB confirmed town, she just said that the omlette didn't kill her when she ate it so I'm not really sure where you're coming from on that. I SINCERELY doubt that their interaction was some kind of scum gambit. Why would scum go out of their way to establish a connection? Why wouldn't DGB use her amazing egg power on a townie to lure them into thinking she's town. There is no good reason on day 2 of a large theme for two scum to say "HEY GUYS, WE HAVE INTERACTED AND ARE PRETTY SURE ABOUT STUFF ABOUT EACH OTHER". NO REASON. If EK turns up dead tomorrow night and is town, yes maybe we can go after DGB because THAT would make sense. But you asserted

I'm just trying to see if there's any possible way EK and DGB can be town. Forget everything else. Think about it: THEIR ACTIONS MAKE NO SENSE.

Yeah, their actions make no sense if they're both scum...

Have I totally missed something here?

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Basically I don't feel strongly about the majority of the players in this game.

Pretty much I want to lynch Umbrage because his whole thing on DGB seems REALLY weird, forced and illogical to me.

SpyreX's "case" on me is just as nonsensical, but whatever he's got a better avvy so we'll let it slide

What?

@Umbrage if you know or believe someone is a confirmed townie is there a reason to say so if that person isn't in danger of being lynched when doing so would reveal role information? I don't understand the argument that EK didn't confirm DGB as town sooner when DGB wasn't in danger of being lynched.

I'm and putting it back on
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I notice that he is someone several people find scummy but not a top scumspect.

What Vote Count

EK, it might have been a weak post, but I noticed a few things about some posters I found somewhat scummy and shared what I felt. This is one of my first few games on the site, and I'm trying to learn the ropes as quickly as I can. I've read many games where much newer posters make a dumb mistake and hinder the town, and certainly don't want to go down that lane.

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prozac is tunneling on umbrage, who got excited as Day 1 was about to end. I think that umbrage is somewhat bipolar or gets really bored when activity dies down and hurts the town. That one capslock page reminded me of xReckonerx, but people hated it, and umbrage didn't really give me town vibes today. Gurgi posted a lot in Day 1, but is really slipping under the radar for Day 2(I'm one to talk). He has not defended himself adaquately, but there are some Somalian sandstorms or something like that so maybe he's busy? IS is looking pro-town to me. maybe llkan might be scum, but not for IS's reasons. My views changed quite a bit from one reread, and I'll wait for gurgi to post a bit more before I vote for him. I'll sleep on it. Why was it necessary to mention sunny side up eggs in the first place?

This is my post.

↑ Will-o-wisp wrote:EK, it might have been a weak post, but I noticed a few things about some posters I found somewhat scummy and shared what I felt. This is one of my first few games on the site, and I'm trying to learn the ropes as quickly as I can. I've read many games where much newer posters make a dumb mistake and hinder the town, and certainly don't want to go down that lane.

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prozac is tunneling on umbrage, who got excited as Day 1 was about to end. I think that umbrage is somewhat bipolar or gets really bored when activity dies down and hurts the town. That one capslock page reminded me of xReckonerx, but people hated it, and umbrage didn't really give me town vibes today. Gurgi posted a lot in Day 1, but is really slipping under the radar for Day 2(I'm one to talk). He has not defended himself adaquately, but there are some Somalian sandstorms or something like that so maybe he's busy? IS is looking pro-town to me. maybe llkan might be scum, but not for IS's reasons. My views changed quite a bit from one reread, and I'll wait for gurgi to post a bit more before I vote for him. I'll sleep on it. Why was it necessary to mention sunny side up eggs in the first place?

UNVOTE: Internet Stranger
VOTE: Mist Beauty

I want to know why you just changed your vote there.

I had no problem with that post beyond still bringing it back to eggs and that I would disagree somewhat about if Im tunnelling or not.

This post takes into account currently.. a re-read of pages 1-9 and then one read of day 2.. pages 18-22, plus the most recent. Incomplete data, but with any luck, I hope it helps for the time being. With any luck, I can start contributing more regularly now!


DGB
VPB
EK
scooby
MB
amrun



porochaz - well, for now poro is leaning town, with the heavy case against umbrage, but sometimes the posts give me a funny feeling.

IS - IS's starting large rant post was really weird.. but I have made the mistake in a game, as town, not noticing that someone was dead, and generally think that it's a pretty easy mistake to make when catching up. I have also played with IS(town) before, and seem him with the same stubborn jack-ass attitude as here, but I feel like I need to see a more solid argument rather than just notes.

MBL - need more.

mysterio - need more.

UT - I thought yesterday's play was hideous.. "let's kill as fast as possible!" attitude.. but the most recent post has appeased me for the moment, maybe UT's style is playing seriously after the first day... which is something I can agree with.

Spyrex - eerrr I think I need to look at this one again.

Lurc - errr.. look again time.


imaginality - #188 was so bad. His list of scum reads and town reads were completely opposite mine, something I have learned to consider scummy.

Lord Gurgi - After reading again, the opening "let's all vote farside!" thing seemed to be the real kick to serious game... even though I get the feeling that was a joke.... the way LG defended just seemed off.. the thing about checking about the vote thing in thread, versus messaging the mod seemed like possibly looking for pro town points. There are more points, but I'm not doing a full-blown post in this direction tonight.

Umbrage - I will make a more complete post on this later.... But yesterday's play felt so terrible, especially with the swinging on and off ideas about pops, no clear idea of what to do... felt very scummy. Today's pushing for more information on the omelettes in particular, has just thrown my scumdar through the roof.

vollkan - I have seen Vollkan's logic fight with itself in this thread more than once, mainly on the scooby issue. Feels like another. good direction to be pursuing soon.

That said...

↑ SpyreX wrote:

SpyreX's "case" on me is just as nonsensical, but whatever he's got a better avvy so we'll let it slide

What?

Also, I like how UT is faulting me for not making a more substantial case when he's said shit all.

↑ Porochaz wrote:You realise we revealed too much in the first place. There is a clear reason why no more as been revealed and it would be good to keep it that way. I agree DGB isn't confirmed however talking about it further is probably more likely than not, going to damage the town. All talk of her role needs to stop now. Pursuing it further places you top of my scum-tree.

Why don't you want to talk about it? Why would EK claim it if she didn't want to talk about it? If she didn't think it could help prove DGB's innocence?

VPB wrote:The weirdest part of yesterday to me, on reread, is Umbrage going from "OMG YOU GUYS POPS IS SO OBVTOWN" to "OMG GUYS LET'S LYNCH POPS". I'm not really seeing a pro-town motivation to lynch someone you think is town. Correct me if I'm wrong here. If town-Umbrage thought pops was town, he really shouldn't have participated in the lynch. Scumpointz. Also the yelling. Ugh. Making stupid noise is a lot worse than my lurking. And the neighborfishing about DGB and EK is just bad news bears. Unless it was scumbussing. I guess Umbrage trying to scumbus DGB makes a certain amount of sense?

Also make up your mind, do you think the omlette neighborizes or masons? Because neighbors rarely have confirmed alignment. And also EK never claimed that it made DGB confirmed town, she just said that the omlette didn't kill her when she ate it so I'm not really sure where you're coming from on that. I SINCERELY doubt that their interaction was some kind of scum gambit. Why would scum go out of their way to establish a connection? Why wouldn't DGB use her amazing egg power on a townie to lure them into thinking she's town. There is no good reason on day 2 of a large theme for two scum to say "HEY GUYS, WE HAVE INTERACTED AND ARE PRETTY SURE ABOUT STUFF ABOUT EACH OTHER". NO REASON. If EK turns up dead tomorrow night and is town, yes maybe we can go after DGB because THAT would make sense.

I explained why pops had to die: because you morons wouldn't do anything until he was dead. Just like how you're not going to wake up until I'm lynched. Too bad that's not going to happen.

"Bad news bears". I've got to remember that next time I'm scum and want to dismiss someone's reasoning without actually arguing with them, thanks!

Here's the thing about the omlette: I don't know. I don't know if it neighbourizes. I don't know if it masonizes. All I do know is that whatever it does, EK's reactions MAKE NO GODDAMN SENSE.

And the bit about EK never saying it made DGB confirmed town is a BIG FAT LIE.

↑ elvis_knits wrote:

↑ Umbrage wrote:OK, LET ME SIMPLIFY:

DO YOU BELIEVE THE OMELET CONFIRMS DGB AS TOWN?

Yes

OH LOOKIE HERE

↑ elvis_knits wrote:

↑ Umbrage wrote:OK, LET ME SIMPLIFY:

DO YOU BELIEVE THE OMELET CONFIRMS DGB AS TOWN?

Yes

SEEN ENOUGH BITCH?

↑ elvis_knits wrote:

↑ Umbrage wrote:OK, LET ME SIMPLIFY:

DO YOU BELIEVE THE OMELET CONFIRMS DGB AS TOWN?

Yes

If it neighbourizes, why did EK say she believed it made DGB confirmed town?

If it masonizes, why wouldn't she use it to prove DGB's town right away?



And THAT is what you are all overlooking. THAT is the one thing you can't dismiss.

SHE HAD A CONFIRMED TOWNIE UNDER ATTACK BY ONE OF THE MOST RENOWNED SCUMHUNTERS ON THIS SITE, AND SHE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

And that, my friends, is what we call PROOF.

↑ Lurconis wrote:@Umbrage if you know or believe someone is a confirmed townie is there a reason to say so if that person isn't in danger of being lynched when doing so would reveal role information? I don't understand the argument that EK didn't confirm DGB as town sooner when DGB wasn't in danger of being lynched.

I'm

unvote

and putting it back on

Vote Lord Gurgi

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I notice that he is someone several people find scummy but not a top scumspect.

THANK YOU. YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON TO TAKE THIS GAME AND MYSELF SERIOUSLY.

This man is town everyone. Write that down.

Now, to answer your point:

1), Did DGB want to be confirmed? This doesn't make sense because DGB didn't say anything to EK about the omelette. She would've been waiting for EK to speak up and confirm her, and yet she never said anything. "EK, is there something you want to tell us?" "EK, did you get anything last night?" No hints of any kind.

2), Why would EK reveal the omelette when she did? DGB was in no danger of being lynched.

Still doesn't make sense. The only thing that makes sense in my mind is this:

Last Night, EKscum and DGBscum hatch (tee hee) a plan to make DGB confirmed town, but they agree it would be suspicious if used right away, so EK only pops it out when pressed. EK panicked under IS' pressure, and that's not something a townie would do.

A man after my own ego. I still mistrust the eggs, but I don't know what to do about them at this point. Umbrage does have a point, but I still need more evidence before the rest of you will hang DBGScum.

I still really like my Vollkan vote though. The dude is still coasting, skimming and cheerleading. When he is town, he goes all out with the white knight points bullshit. I think he has assigned points twice so far. Have you just finally dropped that sillyness Vollkan or are you just scum?

What are you even going on about now, Umbrage?

Who are you saying is one of the most renowned scum hunters on the site? YOU?

ROFL

I didn't particularly care that you were attacking her. You were one person, and your attack seemed like a lot of speculation. Scooby also didn't like DGB as I recall, but I don't think he voted her. Two people suspecting her, but it wasn't going anywhere. When IS came on and was like "this vote isn't changing" and he wouldn't listen to me and was posting walls, I began to think that it was going to waste a lot of our time given that now there were three people who really disliked dgb. So I gave the info that I have, that I think should make people reasonably sure she's town.

That's what happened. I don't understand why that seems strange to you.

You're attacking me one the one had for not telling my info sooner, and on the other hand for telling it too soon. Which is it, Umbrage? Did I tell it too soon or not soon enough?

We could just lynch scumbrage and then we wouldn't have to listen to this.