Mini 1262 - Game Over (Over!)

[Pine]

We can discuss it further D2. We don't have time to build from scratch. 46 hours and change by my reckoning.

[Force of Nature]

Says the guy who's voting Shadow?
We're probably going to get a deadline extension out of Mattman flaking anyway.

[Pine]

I'm voting Soda, for whom an established case and an established dialogue exists, as well as a substantial number of people who have expressed suspicion and at various points voted against. The case against Grimmjow is weak, being based mostly upon his lurking and absence, which appear to be site-wide, he has mostly been ignored by the group as a whole, and there has been little suspicion leveled his way except by a few individuals. Simply put, he is a valid topic of investigation, but we don't have the time to rally a wagon from thin air in the next 42 and a half hours.

[Pine]

October 30

- Mini Normal 1262!

Moderator:

Regfan

Status:

Day 1, 26 pages

Replacing:

Mattman

Deadline is in less than two days but I'm likely to extent it two more days due to the replacement.

With a bit less than ninety hours thanks to the above-quoted proposed deadline extension, it becomes reasonable to hear out your case on Grimmjow.

[SleepyKrew]

Grimm wagon is good. This is an intent to vote if it grows.

[Pine]

Why is it good?

[SleepyKrew]

stuff thats proly been said b4

[Pine]

In your own words, please.

[SleepyKrew]

Umm
uselessness?
lying?
stuff?
idk FoN help me out here bro

[Regfan]

I am in the process of finding a replacement for Mattman, I have decided to extent the deadline for two days to do this but this will be the only extension to the day. The new deadline is on the 2nd of November at 11PM or in: (expired on 2011-11-02 23:00:00)

[Pine]

Grimm wagon is good. This is an intent to vote if it grows.

Umm
uselessness?
lying?
stuff?
idk FoN help me out here bro

Can anyone else see why these two quotes are directly at odds? In the first, SKrew expresses certainty regarding Grimmjow. In the second, a mere two posts later, he cannot adequately explain, even to his own standards, WHY the proposed Grimmjow wagon is good.

Please give an example of Grimmjow lying. I'm fascinated to hear this.

[implosion]

I am pretty much coasting at this point, because I've been busy as fuck in real life, and it's late in the day. I'm

willing

to vote triangle to get a lynch if necessary. Life should get less busy starting today, pretty much.

[xRECKONERx]

FYI: Grimm & I were V/LA from Friday through tonight. I just forgot to post it... we're out of town.

[Regfan]

Nachomamma8 replaces Mattman, everyone give him a warm welcome!

[Pine]

Huzzah! Welcome, Nacho.

[Force of Nature]

Yes! Nacho is a good player.

Grimmjow is scum because:
"I don't know what to make of Reck this game"
"FoN made the worst case ever. I'll ignore that for now."

Welp, I'm always hesitant to believe a miller claim. Some

asshole

guy in my last game claimed miller, but ended up not being miller or mafia, so yeah. Other than that, fairly unimpressed with Furcolow.

He just COMMENTS ON THINGS and never actually pushes anything home or sticks with anything or proposes solutions.
He dumps a fairly lousy/framey case on triangle and then votes him.

I don't care about him doing it in some other games, placing one vote the entire day while fencesitting on everything makes him more likely to be scum.

He's also been lurky/scummy most of the game but nobody has gone after him aggressively for it.
The scummy players nobody is actually attacking are very likely to be scum.

Specific stuff:
His "pine is obvtown" comment didn't make sense. Pine wasn't obvtown at all. And he just sticks to that Pine read instead of continually rethinking.

it seems to me, that you are trying to figure out how to be perceived as more town. Which is a scum motive.

This barb at sleepy was ENTIRELY without followup reading of sleepy. A lot of his things have zero followup.

AND HE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RECK, WHO HE OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE INSIGHT ON, OTHER THAN THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF HIM. He's of course happy to co-wagon though.

Reck defended Grimm quite a bit then put him in his lurkers pile. He made several posts about his reads on Grimm and such, and when Grimm followed him onto Triangle he labeled Grimm town.

his play here looks EXACTLY like Modern Family where he lurked and made scummy comments then replaced out because he just wasn't feeling the game. This feels very similar.

This characterizes it pretty well. Lurking and scummy comments. I guess I'll go read that game after the Patriots annihilate the Steelers.
But Reck+Dram scum Dram was scummy and Reck was "he does this every game trust me" and they won.
That should not work twice.

[Force of Nature]

Hey Nacho, I think the vote graph I made earlier might be useful for catch up.
It doesn't cover some more recent stuff though I can update it I suppose.

[xRECKONERx]

Grimm isn't scum. His play here isn't scummy. And your entire case on him is completely flimsy.

I would rather lynch SK or FoN today. My vote is staying on triangle unless we can get momentum.

[Grimmjow]

AND HE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT RECK, WHO HE OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE INSIGHT ON, OTHER THAN THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF HIM. He's of course happy to co-wagon though.

Ok, so I am, like Reck said, am out of town, and therefore not able to really put a lot of effort into this just yet, but I did come across this, and it stuck out to me.

I cannot read Reck in games. Hell, I can hardly read him IRL. So this is based purely on conjecture, which is totally wrong, but you you're making this part of the case on me? That's bullshit, sorry.

I'll figure this out when I get home tonight (assuming I'm not fucking exhausted from driving all evening). So yeah, we have a few more days now, which is awesome because that means I actually will be able to get into this game since I'll have more free time coming up.

[Furcolow]

HI Nacho

[xRECKONERx]

Reck defended Grimm quite a bit then put him in his lurkers pile. He made several posts about his reads on Grimm and such, and when Grimm followed him onto Triangle he labeled Grimm town.

"these attacks on him are bullshit" and "he's lurking" aren't mutually exclusive, FYI

[Furcolow]

I don't really see the case on Grimmjow, honestly; I won't be voting him today.

[Pine]

I think the case FoN presents on Grimmjow is reasonable, but not enough. It's more or less the

start

of a decent case, and is not yet compelling enough to alter the voting dynamics of the current wagons. If the active lurking were to continue into D2 without good reason, then it might become sufficient.

[Furcolow]

After truly analyzing that graph, I'd be interested in a soda lynch

[Furcolow]

Soda defending bad wagons for credibility
Soda also with that vote on Per with an FoS on Pine is scummy for the stage of the game it was at