Mini 1313: Blood Bowl Mafia (Game over)

[Tierce]

Hmmm

A problem for tomorrow. Slandaar needs death, and Inte is upgrading himself rapidly.

Slandaar is dead. He was hammered.

I'm going on ahead because huh one of us will probably not survive the odds and

oh geez what are the odds of Tiercetown dying N2

. ._.

Vote count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)

(6) Slandaar – pizzadudes7, Glork, GreyICE, Tierce, BBmolla, inte

(1) GreyICE – Slandaar
(1) PeregrineV – Ghostlin
(1) Glork – PeregrineV

Not voting

: Dazzy

Deadline

: Saturday 7 April 20:00 CET

[Tierce]

Slandaar has 8 posts elsewhere since his last post here, which was his claim.

There's

no way

a town player doesn't want to add more information to the game than what he did, with over two hours between that post and his last registered activity on the site.


[/saulres]

[Tierce]

I'm going on ahead because huh one of us will probably not survive the odds and

oh geez what are the odds of Tiercetown dying N2

. ._.

I'm not that sure that those cups of coffee didn't include alcohol.

EBWOP: "one of us will probably not survive the

night

"

[Glork]

Okay, so Slandaar was scum.

PV, meh... he can be town, for now. I haven't bothered to compare MwtK.

{Inte, BBMolla, Dazzy} appears to be the pool we're looking at.

Do you guys want me to go ahead and trade myself for one of them, or should I just go through with the dice plan and probably-not-be-targeted-tonight?

[BBmolla]

Okay, so Slandaar was scum.

PV, meh... he can be town, for now. I haven't bothered to compare MwtK.

{Inte, BBMolla, Dazzy} appears to be the pool we're looking at.

Do you guys want me to go ahead and trade myself for one of them, or should I just go through with the dice plan and probably-not-be-targeted-tonight?

I'd roll dice. If you tell scum what you're doing before hand they'll just plan accordingly. Also, rolling dice might scare scum enough to the point they'll be afraid to waste their kill on you, possibly giving you a shot while letting you live.

Maybe do something like 1-2 shoot Inte, 3-4 shoot me, 5-6 shoot Dazzy, 7-10 block. Or even 1-5 shoot, 6-10 block and then just choose who you want to shoot.

[BBmolla]

PV, meh... he can be town, for now. I haven't bothered to compare MwtK.

Why can PV be town all of a sudden

[Tierce]

PV-scum had little reason to help Malee-town catch up on the thread. Some people say scum is more likely to do secretarial duties in a game, but I think that one showed a type of proactive kindness and eagerness to get scumhunting going that does not easily come from scum. Besides, the whole raging against you felt natural and genuine.

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

That pool is good. Don't forget Ghostlin.

I think dice plan = good.

We are likely originally 10:3/9:3:1, right? This means that, if we have just lynched scum, we should be 7:2/6:2:1/6:3:0 (Slandaar SK on last one). Do the math from there, I'm incredibly sleepy and can't figure out if a vig on lynchpool would be good.

[BBmolla]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

[Tierce]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

Ain't gonna tell you~<3

[BBmolla]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

Ain't gonna tell you~<3

Okay. I don't see why you should hide it though. You're not worried about getting nk'd?

[Glork]

Probably started 9:3:1. 9:2:2 is POSSIBLE, but I think 9:3:1 is more likely given the "disappeared" flavor.

Which means 6:3:1 or 6:2:2 today... but should be 6:2:1 regardless after the Slandaar-lynch. (I am NOT seeing Slandaar-SK. I don't remember the last time I saw an SK claim Vanilla Townie.)

Could be as bad as 4:2:1 tomorrow. Yuck. With a bad vig, could be 3:2:1. Double yuck. Might not even be able to get a lynch on scum in that case.



I'm going to roll a d10 with 1-8 being "Protect Self" and 9-10 being "save SPP." No way in hell scum take just a 20% chance on killing me, but it gives me a 20% chance of self-protecting another night.

[Glork]

PV, meh... he can be town, for now. I haven't bothered to compare MwtK.

Why can PV be town all of a sudden

Tierce and Grey seem to think he's protown. I don't agree nearly as much as they do, but I'll get PV figured out sooner or later.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, are you caught up with the thread?

I was yesterday. Looks like 5 pages now.

[Tierce]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

Ain't gonna tell you~<3

Okay. I don't see why you should hide it though. You're not worried about getting nk'd?

I'm calling the slot town. What's your problem?

Do you intend to grab firmly onto the "but Tierce called me protown and she can read me well!" if I die tonight and you get run up? I don't expect to have 100% accurate reads on you, reading you is an evolutionary arms race as I said elsewhere. With each game I have to count additional layers of WIFOM and play the odds.

So no, you're not getting anything more accurate than this right now, because I am incapable of giving more and I am sleepy as hell but can't go to bed because schedule must be adhered to.

[BBmolla]

As said before, towntell on BB's slot because Tebow appeared to have no knowledge of who the scumteam was. Minor, but usable.

Tierce, have I literally had zero affect on this slot?

Ain't gonna tell you~<3

Okay. I don't see why you should hide it though. You're not worried about getting nk'd?

I'm calling the slot town. What's your problem?

Do you intend to grab firmly onto the "but Tierce called me protown and she can read me well!" if I die tonight and you get run up? I don't expect to have 100% accurate reads on you, reading you is an evolutionary arms race as I said elsewhere. With each game I have to count additional layers of WIFOM and play the odds.

So no, you're not getting anything more accurate than this right now, because I am incapable of giving more and I am sleepy as hell but can't go to bed because schedule must be adhered to.

Fine. You've just been very vocal about how you feel about me in every game and I don't understand why this one is different. Trying a new strategy for playing with me?

[BBmolla]

Also, if you died tonight we'd never know if it's "Town for like one thing, but null on the rest." or "Town for many reasons." Do you not think I could easily use that as scum? I could say "She said pro-town" and insist that you very clearly thought I was town even if you didn't think it that much.

[Tierce]

No, silly. It's just that don't have a read on

you

. I have a read on your slot, which is townish because Tebow seemed genuine against me on D1 and had that minor tell on page 1 pre-crash, but not a

Tierce Certified BB Read

^TM. I know you probably replaced in in hopes of drawing a town slot and getting easily read by me, but I don't

know

what alignment you got.

These things take time and your attempts to force it doesn't help, if you are town.

Was busy in town during most of today and then got busy hounding down Slandaar and Dazzy. Now I'm exhausted and can't brain, so I'm not going to throw down further Tierce Certifications of Alignment because I'd bungle that up.

Again, you care too much about my read on you. Shoo. Go be Awesome. Provide more info, that's more likely to yield results than poking at me for a definite read on you, because no one listens to the reads of the dead anyway (

sorry Glork

).

[Glork]

because no one listens to the reads of the dead anyway (

sorry Glork

).

Hmph. Pout.

[BBmolla]

Mk.

[PeregrineV]

@Grey- We'll see.

@Glork- if Slandaar is scum, then any plan is good since if you are town it's all double-bluff and whatnot.

Also,

Then you asked me to ask Slaandar (who I already said I didn't want to lynch) to respond to YOUR false dilemma to him about inte (who I already said I didn't want to lynch) and Ghostlin (who I already said I didn't want to lynch).

The whys they are town, because.

(4) Slandaar %u2013 Pizzadudes7, Glork, GreyICE, Tierce

@Tierce- thanks for the vote counts all together.

@BBmolla- How about an inte, Slandaar, Glork and ghostlin opinions?

MOre after kid goes to sleep.
pedit-holy shit guysm I'll have to come back to the 5 or so above me.

[PeregrineV]

Never mind, I read them.

[Tierce]

And?
Is that all you have to say about what has happened today?


What the hell, man. Why do several players in this game make CES sound like a loquacious chatterbox.

This should not feel like pulling teeth.

[Dazzy]

As a small preface: I said there was more on my mind, and that I wanted answers to those questions before I proceeded. That's why the post looks a bit meh, because I cut out some info pending answers. The fact is, Tierce was looking pretty town until I came back today and saw all of her interactions since I left. I took a look at her ISO and things started rubbing me the wrong way. SO YES, I AM SUSPICIOUS OF TIERCE. No waffling or soft suspicion - I genuinely think she could be scum. I'm not sure, but if you're asking for surety you're in the wrong game.

Ew, scratch that, further look makes me hate this post.

Last night I nominated Tierce because I did see her as most pro-town. Use that how you will.

He (sorry, got your gender wrong earlier) thought I was town N1. Apparent conclusion that I'm town for my reaction to the fake vengekill.

Yeah, your reaction to the vengekill made me insinctively say "town". Going into N1 you were my top pro-town rank followed by Glork. I didn't feel like airing out my townreads just before night, because I figured if everyone said that you were their top-townread, then you'd get a bullet. Thus, I tried to lessen your chances of dying while also nominating you.

Tierce, there are better targets than me and I think you know that.

Addressing me as if I am town. This post shows belief/knowledge I am town.

This sentence was written as I began the post. At that point, I hadn't really re-read and you were still town-ish in my head, I guess. I read your ISO after writing it.

Feel free to ask me questions because it's much easier for me to solidify my thoughts if you do, but don't make my lynch a foregone conclusion just because I flaked for a bit (namely since I'm not the only one).

"Don't look at me! Look at the other flakers/lurkers!"

Nope. All I said was don't make my lynch a foregone conclusion - that is, something that doesn't need to be discussed. I don't mind if you suspect me, but be fair about it

.

What makes me hesitate is this "town bloc".

Never expresses why.

See top of post.

As unlikely as inte's proposition is, something similar to it is still possible, and I'm hesitant to vote with such a group even though it mostly lines up with my own reads, as I don't trust some of the members.

Never expresses why. He has mostly townreads on the town bloc, but... who doesn't he have a townread on?

I do not have a town read on: Tierce, PV, Grey(anymore), BB, Inte, Slandaar(lynched), Ghost.

@Glork, Please expand on your claim that Tierce is guaranteed not scum. I haven't really seen you come out and say so to that degree before your post 569. Is it really impossible for her to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?

Now... I am suddenly possible not-town? The way this is being put doesn't look like it's a question for Glork's opinion on me,

because he has already said what his

opinion is on the whole bloc with me included. It's soft suspicion, trying to break townreads.

Clarify who "he" is in this case. I asked Glork to back up his read on you when he hadn't come out and said it in such concrete terms before. What's the issue? Also, IIRC glork din't ask to be made part of the bloc, so I was wondering what he thought of it because he's a town read.

@Tierce: Assume for one second that you hadn't seen the timestamps on Grey's post/Mod's login. Is Grey still town?

Soft suspicion on Grey, trying to break townreads.

Wrong. Forming connections. Guess what, Tierce's answer was terrible. Up until that timestamp post, Tierce was calling Grey scum all over the place. I take issue with how her read flipped on its head based on a single event, but taking that event out of the equation affects nothing. Bull.

My gut was yelling at me though, and who knows what will happen tonight?.

WOOOO NIGHT WIFOM!

Pretty sure that's not what that is, but ok then.

Heads. will. roll.


PEdit: This doesn't sound like paranoia, though, Grey. It's more like "oh, don't

you

think X could be scum? It's not that Dazzy thinks that any of the bloc players are scum, it's that he is trying to break townreads by layering soft suspicion on players that are

ridiculously protown.

Damn that's annoying. Every time you say that you are "ridiculously protown" or something of the sort, I gag a little, because town has no reason to say that. If you are town, your actions should show that, and you shouldn't have to run around reminding everyone how townie you are - "Hey remember when I did that?

Super

townie eh?" *wink wink nudge nudge*.

Tierce has said herself that she is cowardly as scum. What's more insecure than shoving your past accomplishments into other's faces?

Also, jumping on me for having a theory or suspicion is dumb. Scummy and dumb.

Today:

Last night I nominated Tierce because I did see her as most pro-town. Use that how you will.

Earlier today:

Tierce's little "vengekill" frenzy is something I haven't decided on the legitimacy of.

Could be real, and that's where I'm leaning now.

Glork is an early town read.

As of end of D1, I was reading inte and

[Tierce]

as weakTown

and majiffy as weakScum.

Yeah calling bullshit on that MVP vote for me.

I'm not seeing how these quotes make me saying I MVP'ed you bullshit. I thought you town at end of D1. Where's the issue?

So:

I don't like Tierce's interactions this game. Her play looks fine from close up, but when I looked at it all together I got a bad feeling, especially around the Grey/Malee slot.
So here's my crazy theory: Tierce is scum with Malee/Grey and another 1 or 2 people. I think she was bussing her lame partner Malee for towncred right up until the point where Grey came in and she realised she might not have to kill a buddy.
She starts the day with strong suspicion of Ghost. What happened to that? Grey (the slot Tierce wanted lynched so bad) said he thought Ghost looked town based on a single action. Tierce changes her vote.
AFTER that, she calls Grey scum while possibly coaching him, right up until...
TIERCE discovers GREY has a very convenient timestamp tell which makes everything he says 100% true. Malee? Scummy? Lynch her?

Noooo

, not Tierce.
Tierce forms the "town" bloc out of herself, her newly cleared BFF, and the generally accepted top townie, Glork. But NOONE IS ALLOWED TO QUESTION HER BECAUSE SHES SUPER TOWN K? IF YOU DO YOU IS SCUM.

This sequence of events has me seriously quesitoning Tierce's motivations, and motivations are what's important. She has a string of changed opinions and complete turnarounds, but jumps on me for changing my read of her? Bull. Shit.

It's entirely possible I'm wrong, especially given Tierce's apparent meta, but not expressing my thoughts would have been a disservice to the game. I'll keep looking at other people just in case.

[BBmolla]

Tierce calls herself super town all the time as town btw.

Why are you pushing a silly theory with nothing that backs it up?

@PV: Town, Scum, Town, Scum

[PeregrineV]

And?
Is that all you have to say about what has happened today?


What the hell, man. Why do several players in this game make CES sound like a loquacious chatterbox.

This should not feel like pulling teeth.

Well, no, but the more I talk the scummier I am. But since this is twilight, here goes.

Actually, Dazzy has a good Tierce post already. And Glork (who I did have a town read on day1 end) tunnels me, then ignores my questions to him after pushing hard that I answer his. And Slandaar (whom he did not want to lynch today) got lynched.

Ghostlin gets tagged as scum and he disappears not only from the thread but gets ignored for all practical purposes.

All the claims of "I'm so town why didn't scum kill me?" sound forced.

I didn't play or read My Little Pony Mafia, so I get none of the references, and since I have little enough time for my few games now, I have no way to check any of it.

If BBmolla stops posting, he's scum.

I'm auto suspicious of Grey, but have no strong read on him one way or another.

Pizza

is

was townish for meta reasons, but his play is lacking this game.

Inte's minimal participation raises my hackles and he's done nothing to prove otherwise either day.