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↑ HerrRudi wrote:The fact that Jason is a popular unanimous pick I think is a town tell for him. Johnny saying lets just lynch Jason since everyone is suspicious of him is terribly scummy in my opinion now with that in context. Jason should live today.

I'm still for a Cheery lynch. I will also happily wagon on Johnny.

I'm pretty sure that City is being sincere with her busy schedule and her response to a tunnel I put on her reads town. I also just have a gut town read here.

This was the feel for me of yesterday and herr said it himself.

It's not OMGUS, him saying i am a unanimous lynch = scum is just off base, and he is basically saying "You didn't like our mislynches D1/2 YOU SO SCUM BRO"

And that last bit is wrong in so many ways.

As for you giving up and being lazy with the post, i think it is more of a town tell due to the fact town could sit back at this point (i choose not to because of who i am) fact is a mislynch on me leads to another day and another chance for the town to screw up (this is from my perspective i am not saying i'm so town like cherry did) so i would rather somewhat be in control of the lynch.

The more scum kills the more likely scum will win, lynching scum sooner is better.

However even though i said you seem more town (note the wording) and cherry is more scummy, that doesn't mean that is right, tunneling won't do any help to this game right now, hence why i'm not.

And your lynch preferences are the 2 other un-confirmeds, that isn't helpful and you may as well have not posted anything.

↑ JasonWazza wrote:

↑ HerrRudi wrote:The fact that Jason is a popular unanimous pick I think is a town tell for him. Johnny saying lets just lynch Jason since everyone is suspicious of him is terribly scummy in my opinion now with that in context. Jason should live today.

I'm still for a Cheery lynch. I will also happily wagon on Johnny.

I'm pretty sure that City is being sincere with her busy schedule and her response to a tunnel I put on her reads town. I also just have a gut town read here.

This was the feel for me of yesterday and herr said it himself.

It's not OMGUS, him saying i am a unanimous lynch = scum is just off base, and he is basically saying "You didn't like our mislynches D1/2 YOU SO SCUM BRO"

Wait, what in the world has Rudi got to do with this? I was just talking about you and Dog.

Jason wrote:
And that last bit is wrong in so many ways.

As for you giving up and being lazy with the post, i think it is more of a town tell due to the fact town could sit back at this point (i choose not to because of who i am) fact is a mislynch on me leads to another day and another chance for the town to screw up (this is from my perspective i am not saying i'm so town like cherry did) so i would rather somewhat be in control of the lynch.

The more scum kills the more likely scum will win, lynching scum sooner is better.

*clap clap clap* Well done figuring that out.

Jason wrote:
However even though i said you seem more town (note the wording) and cherry is more scummy, that doesn't mean that is right, tunneling won't do any help to this game right now, hence why i'm not.

And your lynch preferences are the 2 other un-confirmeds, that isn't helpful and you may as well have not posted anything.

Did you see the part where I said that I'd rather lynch you over Dog?

↑ JasonWazza wrote:No that was me using town sense, there is a big difference, one thing i am gonna point out, you said a bus was unlikely

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm willing to vote either

City or Jason

.

We all basically agree on Jason

, but I'd rather wait to see what Nhammen thinks before moving forward.

So why exactly did the bus become super likely now?

Cause it is purely convenient.

There is a difference between bussing and distancing, either Johnny was bussing City, which I doubt, or he was distancing from you.

My definitions of those as bussing: voting a partner with intent to lynch.
distancing: attacking a partner without intent to lynch.
Given that Johnny voted on the smaller wagon between you two yesterday, I am thinking he performing distancing with you.

I actually find Jason to be least likely to be Johnny's partner. This is in a big part because of their predecessor's behavior. In post #42 Venrob (who Jason replaced) put Nekoko (who Johnny replaced) at L-1. Now if Jason, and thus Venrob were scum, this would be a bus. However, Venrob would only bus if he actually believed Nekoko would be lynched. If this is the case, then it is a signiicant misjudgement on Venrob's part. However, this is not an impossible misjudgement, becase Venrob seems to have had some bad play regardless of his alignment, so I am not ruling out Jason as scum. Also, Nekoko did not vote Venrob for this. This could be unwillingness to vote a partner, or unwillingness to place an OMGUS vote.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to make judgements based on Nekoko's play, since he/she seems to have copy/pasted their town meta into this game. So, next I will look at Johnny's play. Here there is a little bit more information, but not much. His replace-in post contained too much information, so anything relevant to alignment is likely to be lost in signal/noise. I am very surprised he went back and looked at my meta in #169 after making a case on me earlier. He didn't need to, and this is likely something I would not have done as scum. Another wall from Johnny in #256 contains too much that could be lost in signal/noise. I think I found one gem though.

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:

↑ nhammen wrote:hmm... good catch. Can you show me those games?

I can't decide if this is incredibly townie or incredibly scummy, but I just felt I needed to say something about it. Normally, this would be a townread, but Joyous Pooch is so firmly planted in all of our townreads that it kind of looks like you're looking for reasons to suspect him. Meh, null.

The catch was a catch that Dog had made about Jason's play. However, when Johnny read this, he somehow assumed that I was starting an attack on Cheery. Is this a scum player being paranoid about an attack against their partner?


The following exchange also makes me believe that Johnny and Jason are not partners:

↑ JasonWazza wrote:

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Jason, 207's reasoning for gaining nothing from the "scripted" debacle is hard to understand. Care to expand?

Re-read out of NOWHERE from Jason
Mostly decent questions or comments, nothing really interesting and nothing directed at me. The vote is just wrong. Wii hasn't give

much

content, but he has given content. He calls me town though~

1. i think i answered up there
2. wait what, cause he calls you town it's ok that he gives jack shit?

And the re-read was my second re-read, first one is brief overview of how i feel as i go, second re-read is a detailed kick ass bit that i have after i got to this point in the game.

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:I was actually happy about YOU calling me town in the post containing your vote. Sorry, didn't make that clear. (I've said that a lot this game, haven't I)

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:@ Happy Mutt, did you read Jason's meta enough to see if he was this jumpy?

Also, I have never seen scum ask town to meta their partner. I am now OK with saying that Jason is probably town.

So, my list from most likely Johnny partner to least likely is:

Cheery
City
Jason
Rudi

VOTE: Cheery Dog

If everyone is cool with it, I want the hammer on this one. Nhammen has changed my mind. What do you have to say Cheery?

I don't believe Venrob had intent to lynch Nekoko then either, based on venrob's other newbie, the IC went onto L-1 early, so if Jason is the partner, Venrob would have been taking a calculated risk to clear his partner.

Johnny had also said he had meta'd you, so given that, it's quite possible he would have asked for a meta analysis on his partner - possibly he had done it himself and jason was that jumpy in other games. I may have to go look for myself.

I think you may be correct about that exchange between them though saying they're not partners.
UNVOTE:

@Herr, your decision is up to you, while I'd not like to be hammered because I don't want to see this game in LYLO, I don't know if I'm reading the game right either.

I'm cool with lynching Dog. Because we can go over-analysing everything like we did yesterday, but the only thing that'll help us further right now are flips, IMHO.

Wait wait wait a second. Our "over analyzing" got us a scum lynch on Johnny. Cheery was the sure bet to be the lynch early, but we held off and nailed Johnny

Nhammen and the other players, does this last city post change things for you? I think it does for me...

Honestly, I'm just an impatient person.

Well this isn't exactly the time for impatience. I hope you see my point and how terrible that post was in the context of the last day

My vote is still off because of Rudi's post asking me what I thought, which doesn't seem like something you would ask the person you thought was scum.
Though it is possible I read the question the wrong way.

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:
Also this question you never answered which is why I was currently suspecting a you/johnny team.

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:

↑ CityElectric wrote:.
Johnny: not always the best arguments, but he asks good questions. Town.

What questions has he actually asked which you are considering good? The only questions I find he has asked are in his replace in post, is that the only place you have this read from?

I think this also still stands for a possible City/Johnny team
Coming in and calling your partner town with poor reasoning.

I just wanted to see if you had any last words.

Anyways I think I'm all for this now

VOTE: CityElectric

Sorry i missed this thread a few times in the past few days :S

City why do you need to be impatient with this game?

I'm not sure i see your scum intent for that myself herr, i can see just being impatient that this game is being a little dragged on.

We want to get this right. And saying that only flips help at this point is an underhanded way of begging for me to hammer. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way it was done, especially since I don't think City was too big of a Cheery critic. I'll double check on that though

She did say that she thinks the scum team is Jason and Cheery, so that counts for something.

I've been looking through ISO's and thinking, and I'm pretty sure we can win this if we just go Cheery then City anyways. Jason is probably town, nhammen and I are town, so POE leaves those two

I'm just gonna drop the hammer here. \

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CheeryDog

(that isn't a hammer)

I have been holding my vote, and city never voted either.

Really? I thought it was actually. If you want this lynch feel free to drop it then

Just doing a quick re-read to be sure of myself.

Oh I see my mistake When Cheery voted you. That registered in my memory bank as you voting Cheery on the previous page. Classic mix up

P-Edit: Post any observations with your hammer

Yeah i planned to have something with that herr and i think i just found something that tipped me over the edge for a cherry/johnny team.

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:

↑ Cheery Dog wrote:I happen to find this bit of your post to be the scummiest sentence so far this game, but it's not enough for me to move my vote.

But no vote?

I said in that same post that it wasn't enough to vote my vote, treat it as a FoS if you like.
Why are you suggesting I should have contradicted myself and actually voted?

Seems almost like coaching and we already have the one flip to have it as possible so with this i am confident enough to hammer