Newbie 1365 - Vantasmagoria of Flower View (Game Over)

[Nekoko]

Hey TIP have you played mafia outside mafiascum before?

[Tierce]

Votecount 1.19

(3)

Shawn

- Thor665, Nekoko, TheIrishPope
(1)

Commandodude

- sycorax
(1)

MontyWhittaker

- Shawn
(1)

TheIrishPope

- Ms Marangal

(1)

No Lynch

- Commandodude

(2)

Not voting

- MontyWhittaker, Sakura Hana


Prods are only issued after 72 hours of inactivity.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
The deadline is May 4 at 10:35 PM PDT. Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 22:35:00)

[Shawn]

I dont want to lynch Thor today, Monty is better.
Sakura, you are tunneled. Nothing I say you will believe therefore you are tunneled on me. This is bad. Very bad. Stop doing it.

1. If lurking is a scumtell then why arent you on the other lurkers as well?
2. So where do you draw this as a scumtell? because he's acutally... you know, scumhunting?
3. So suspecting on the likely scum is a scumtell, so since im suspecting you as well, am i giving you a scumtell as well?, What does a single vote have anything to do with applying pressure if no one's jumping on your Monty BW to begin with? And how is he trying to blend in with the town when he hasn't even been posting at all until that point?

1. Because no one else lurked as much as Monty and delurked when pressure was on him.
2. This is a scumtell because he made a false conclusion, 'Irish was leading town the wrong way', when if he actually read the thread enough to place a vote, he shouldve know n that Irish has no pull with town.
3. The reason why Monty's stuff is scummy because he jumped on the 2 forming bandwagons, Irish and Me, without actually wanting to find out our alignments. Scum love to jump on scummy looking town bandwagons when they start forming but they dont want to be the first vote or start one. Monty is the prime candidate for this. He has been trying to blend because all of his posts up to my case have been echoing town opinion and not offering anything new to town.

Monty the reason why your blendyness is different is because Ive shown how you are blendy, you havent shown how nekoko is blendy. Go do it.
Explain your switch in read on Irish, what did he post that was 'interesting'? That made him town? Me being scum = him town? Show me where you get that.
Your specific question is 'what are my townreads'. That is the all the effort you could put in? Disgraceful.
My townreads are
Irish
Sakura
Commando
Nekoko
Sycorax
Thor is null
You and MM are scum.
YAY LIST POST.

[Ms Marangal]

Hmm

Unvote

VOTE: Shawn

Back to L-1 again Shawn.

[Shawn]

Hmm

Unvote

VOTE: Shawn

Back to L-1 again Shawn.

Yay I really like your reasoning on what made you vote me.
Also Monty is going to come in here and hammer me after this. I guarantee it.

[Ms Marangal]

Give the reason for you switch on Irish.

Why you voted commando, then decided to call him obvtown

Why you called Monty out for not posting much when Nekoko didn't post much either

and how/why you moved Sakura from scum to town

[Ms Marangal]

I would also want to know why you moved Thor from scum to null

[Shawn]

Give the reason for you switch on Irish.

Why you voted commando, then decided to call him obvtown

Why you called Monty out for not posting much when Nekoko didn't post much either

and how/why you moved Sakura from scum to town

YOU CALLED ME TOWN FOR ALL THIS WTF DUDE/LADY.
Did you read the case? Did you know that the case on Monty is about his actions in his few posts, not that he has few posts? Or are you too dumb to see that?

I moved Sakura from scum to town because she is obvi town and clearly cares about trying to lynch scum and she is actually playing the game right now. The reason why she was scum was because I didnt like her playstyle(same with Irish) and initially took it to be scummy when it wasnt.

GG I Win Thanks for playing.

[Shawn]

I moved Thor from scum to null because I have 2 people that are scummier than him and since 9 player game = 2 scum, he cant be. Pending flips though.

[Ms Marangal]

Yes, and I'm switching that opinion on you, Thor is very convincing.

I thought you had a reason for doing what you did, turned that assumption into me defending you, though given the fact that the majority of my town reads are more fluid then I would like them to be has caused me to take a step back and actually read what has happened.

You forgot my question in regards to Nekoko and Monty

[Shawn]

I called out Monty for being lurky in conjunction with my case. I didnt think nekoko was scum, what the fuck was the point?

I want to lynch scum. You defending monty with all the wrong reasoning scummy. YES/NO?

I thought you had a reason for doing what you did, turned that assumption into me defending you, though given the fact that the majority of my town reads are more fluid then I would like them to be has caused me to take a step back and actually read what has happened.

Ok so I was town. I am scum because Thor is convincing about 2 days ago. Right. And you realised this when I made the best case in the thread. Right. Sounds like a bad reason to switch.
Also what do you mean by 'take a step back and actually read'. You mean you have been coasting along with your vote on Irish(i think) and not reading the thread? or something else?

[Ms Marangal]

I want to lynch scum. You defending monty with all the wrong reasoning scummy. YES/NO?

No

and what I mean when I say, take a step back and read is I am taking a step back and do a more detailed reading of what has been going on, and start making connections. I don't do intensive read through unless I need to. I have been reading, but it was more of me looking for things that initially spark my interest and things that I can get into.

[Shawn]

I want to lynch scum. You defending monty with all the wrong reasoning scummy. YES/NO?

No

and what I mean when I say, take a step back and read is I am taking a step back and do a more detailed reading of what has been going on, and start making connections. I don't do intensive read through unless I need to. I have been reading, but it was more of me looking for things that initially spark my interest and things that I can get into.

So you admit that your reasoning is wrong. Cool story. That makes you scum. Nice.

Why did you read change on me today rather than when Thor initially said I was scum?

[Ms Marangal]

No, I was saying that, even if my reasoning is wrong (which I don't think it is) Defending him with it isn't scummy... Don't twist my words

and I change it now rather then when he stated it Initially because I can be fairly stubborn and I didn't think you were scum when he initially stated it.

[Shawn]

No, I was saying that, even if my reasoning is wrong (which I don't think it is) Defending him with it isn't scummy... Don't twist my words

and I change it now rather then when he stated it Initially because I can be fairly stubborn and I didn't think you were scum when he initially stated it.

Why did you changed it. I asked WHY, I know you changed it. What made you do it?.

I didnt say defending him is scummy. Im saying that your defense of him was scummy and I pointed that out which you refuse to adres.

[Ms Marangal]

Uhh...

I didn't refuse anything. I stated that my defense of him wasn't scummy. You asked if me defending Monty with "wrong reasoning" is scummy and I said that it wasn't. You asked Yes or No, I replied with No.

I changed my points now, rather than then Because I took a closer look at your posts and noticed details that I had missed before.

[Ms Marangal]

Also, 627 struck me in an off way

[Shawn]

Uhh...

I didn't refuse anything. I stated that my defense of him wasn't scummy. You asked if me defending Monty with "wrong reasoning" is scummy and I said that it wasn't. You asked Yes or No, I replied with No.

I changed my points now, rather than then Because I took a closer look at your posts and noticed details that I had missed before.

I showed you why your defense was wrong and you didnt care. I call that refusing to address.

Where are the details? Also what strikes you about post 627?

[Ms Marangal]

No you didn't

and your appeal to Sakura.

You're reads look manufactured.

You're reason on Monty is... Decent I suppose, though that's stuff I have seen town do a shit load of times as well.

[Shawn]

No you didn't

and your appeal to Sakura.

You're reads look manufactured.

You're reason on Monty is... Decent I suppose, though that's stuff I have seen town do a shit load of times as well.

My appeal to Sakura is bad? good? scummy? excellent?
Come on here, more info.

How in the world do my reads look manufactured? Makes no sense unless you back it up.

About monty, so that read is good then, but the rest are bad. Right.
I dont understand how you see that I am scum and You dont seem to be able to articulate it either. Maybe another reread is neccessary.

[Ms Marangal]

It was a bad appeal obviously since I didn't like that post

and your reads look manufactured. put together, mechanical, not genuine it really isn't something that can be explained. You're reads were probably manufactured all game, tactical reads to suit your benefits.

Monty is the only good thing you have in that post, yes. But I'm not sure if I agree with it.

[Shawn]

It was a bad appeal obviously since I didn't like that post

and your reads look manufactured. put together, mechanical, not genuine it really isn't something that can be explained. You're reads were probably manufactured all game, tactical reads to suit your benefits.

Monty is the only good thing you have in that post, yes. But I'm not sure if I agree with it.

lulz.
So you cant explain your scumread on me. Or the change other than 'rereading'.

Can we lynch Monty first then you please?

[Shawn]

It was a bad appeal obviously since I didn't like that post

and your reads look manufactured. put together, mechanical, not genuine it really isn't something that can be explained. You're reads were probably manufactured all game, tactical reads to suit your benefits.

Monty is the only good thing you have in that post, yes. But I'm not sure if I agree with it.

To expand on the manufactured reads thing. Its your not you're. you're is 'you are'.

So which read do you feel is manufactured? You said that all my reads were 'probably manufactured' so you must have 1 or 2 specific ones. Which ones?

[Tierce]

sycorax has been prodded.

[Sakura Hana]

Just dropping in to say before anyone drops a hammer that the only reason i removed my vote off Shawn was because i wanted a bit more discussion before the day ended so that maybe we can find the other scum, tho at this point it doesn't seem we will be getting anywhere with that anyway.