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In post 582, NicCage wrote:

In post 38, NicCage wrote:Why me and not Toomai?

Jake, does this inform your read on me?

In post 52, NicCage wrote:Yep

unvote

VOTE: zefiend

Why, as scum, would I do this? How does scum stand to benefit from this and why is it scummy?

In post 591, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:

In post 590, NicCage wrote:Jake or dashie could you answer my questions please?

You mean the "why would I do this [sheep]" as scum? When the reason for your sheep was "zef is sheeping"?

I really don't see a question from you really. I already explained why that post, and other things, were a scumtell.

In post 59, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:My turn to post!

Vote NC

In post 38, NicCage wrote:Why me and not Toomai?

This is a really bad post to start as it doesn't actually attack any of the logic that was presented as to why its scummy, but instead tries to deflect part of what he is being called for to another as well without really giving thoughts on hp or Toom.

In post 52, NicCage wrote:Yep

unvote

VOTE: zefiend

This is a pretty ugly sheep. Apart from zef being one of my stronger town read at this point, it seems like more of a runaway vote following a vocal player who was calling him scum. I would love to actually see NC try and give reason for the vote before GCBC gives one (even though they probably both are missing reasons - zef is really town which anypony should see at this point).

In post 149, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:So the "zef is town" breakdown.

In post 50, ɀefiend wrote:

hapahauli wrote:Of course.

However I don't understand why he would vote someone

on the basis that he hates RVS,

while effectively making an RVS vote of his own

.

A random vote is one that is made randomly, without reasoning or justification.

hp [leaves] placed his vote and gave a reason. Therefore, it isn't a random vote. Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part). The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it. This seems forced to me.

This is good and logical. Its town picking up on something that he sees as scum trying to throw out a vote on non-existent reasoning. While its not worded perfectly (more to follow there) he is pushing into it not even blindly but actually trying to discern where the attack is coming from while giving his overall conclusion at the point in time.

In post 58, ɀefiend wrote: If you construe hp [leaves] vote as random there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, as we have different interpretations of the term "random vote." To me, his vote was not meant as a joke.

To rephrase it a bit differently, I find the fact that you "find <<what hp [leaves] did>> scummy, or at the very least something worth pursuing" is pushing to force an issue that's simply not worth it.

More "trying to get to bottom of reasoning" as opposed to "lol you are scum" response.

I never said you were trying too hard. To clarify, I am voting for you because I don't like the way you are going after hp [leaves]. I feel as though there is nothing there to warrant going after, and your pushing on it and questioning is unsettling.

This was that "misinterpretation" I was talking about. The comment he got railed on was him basically saying "that is a really bad point" or at very least saying "that appears to be a very bad point" instead of "you are attacking him too hard over a valid point".

I am all for prying information from someone, but only necessarily if they do something genuinely suspicious or questionable. It seems as though you are admitting to "forcing things", albeit for the sake of generating information... so, along with the fact that you are generally being proactive in regards to activity, I will

Unvote: hapahauli

for now.

We get full circle here. He sees where the push is coming from, and although he does appear to still disagree with it, he feels that its town motivated instead of scum motivated. I can follow him, do you?

@NC - How is that vote "safe". If any vote is "safe" its yours on him because its sheeping the vocal player without actually giving any reason of your own as to why you are voting him. I can point to quite a few "safe" votes so far, usually one where the palyer starts trying to kick up their own logic isn't one.

Since when is "wordy" a scumtell anyways?

Basically NC is scum.

He sheeps over the loud player onto Zef who is "wordy" and "making a safe vote". When half of his case is exactly how he is playing the game

In post 319, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:

In post 312, Varsoon wrote:Can't tell if GCBC is telling me to unvote or ACfan to unvote.

Either way,

unvote

Glad to see I got some kind of reaction out of JakePony.

JakePony, please explain why I should support your vote that's 250 posts old.

reaction testing an active poster by calling him inactive?

you can vote whoever you want, but my original reasons for voting him are still valid and he hasn't done anything but lurk. He has had 1 content filled post but he didn't even complete it, he said he had more to come and then vanished again. When I asked when he was going to finish he said that the rest of what he was going to say wasn't valid (or whatever) anymore. There was the one time when someone (can't remember who at the moment) voted and only gave a reason of "BC" and he immediately showed up ask about that and provide nothing else.

He isn't scum hunting and nothing coming from him shows pro-town behavior.

In post 574, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:You don't have to wait for this pony to actually be at my laptop to ask me questions, its not like they will disappear by the time I get off of work (which may cut into access this weekend since I need to go in for at least one half day).

Also we are almost for sure going to be still voting NC here. Outside of something massive happening with regards to ac he wont be getting our vote today, if he is scum he is pushed into a corner for what he does. If he is town scum are pushed into a corner.

Plus he is a good pick for NC partner, if you look at the two the both sorta acknowledge eachother but don't really take stances for the most part. Not sure where you are getting "that's not scum and scum" from there.

In post 536, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:I don't know if nic is going to flip scum, it's possible he flips town but I seriously doubt it. Usually wagons on a townie do not take this much effort, and they almost certainly don't generate multiple counter wagons.

If i had to guess, Nic is a scum PR which is why it's making it that much harder, even just a scum goon would not be this difficult as scum would just buss from town cred.