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In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote:

In post 574, Majiffy wrote:

In post 563, enomis wrote:What happened to make you feel so confident Coug is scum.

Weak wagon hop on a perceived easy mislynch.

You are not an "easy mislynch". I've seen you play very well, and except for what I see as the fatal flaw, you still are now.

In post 581, Grimgroove wrote:StrangerCoug isn't really trying to defend himself. In the QT he practically ackowledged to be giving up. Some last words from his part would be good, but

I'm declaring intent to hammer

.

Not very many people were happy with this lynch pool and there wasn't much legitimate stuff for me to defend. I honestly saw your intent to hammer as a desire to move along when I read it, but now you're seeing my post in the QT as a big deal. I disagree that the request to keep posting in the QT after I die is an appeal to emotion. First of all, why is it illegitimate to want to know what my neighbor thinks of the game? I'm aware of people sharing a QT (often scum, but beside the point) where the QT got new posts despite the poster being the only person in the QuickTopic alive.

Second of all, if I'm scum and you're town, then what would I gain from the QT that I couldn't gain from the thread post-mortem?

You're reacting to my request suspiciously, Grimgroove.

UNVOTE: Majiffy
VOTE: Grimgroove

The aim of your request was not that I would keep posting in the QT, this was not your goal. The aim of your request was that I would start reading you as town.
This is a set-up, whichever way you turn it. The way this is being turned against me is probably an unexpected bonus of what you were trying to do, but yes, you're scum. It's obvious to me now.

In post 625, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote:

In post 574, Majiffy wrote:

In post 563, enomis wrote:What happened to make you feel so confident Coug is scum.

Weak wagon hop on a perceived easy mislynch.

You are not an "easy mislynch". I've seen you play very well, and except for what I see as the fatal flaw, you still are now.

In post 581, Grimgroove wrote:StrangerCoug isn't really trying to defend himself. In the QT he practically ackowledged to be giving up. Some last words from his part would be good, but

I'm declaring intent to hammer

.

Not very many people were happy with this lynch pool and there wasn't much legitimate stuff for me to defend. I honestly saw your intent to hammer as a desire to move along when I read it, but now you're seeing my post in the QT as a big deal. I disagree that the request to keep posting in the QT after I die is an appeal to emotion. First of all, why is it illegitimate to want to know what my neighbor thinks of the game? I'm aware of people sharing a QT (often scum, but beside the point) where the QT got new posts despite the poster being the only person in the QuickTopic alive.

Second of all, if I'm scum and you're town, then what would I gain from the QT that I couldn't gain from the thread post-mortem?

You're reacting to my request suspiciously, Grimgroove.

UNVOTE: Majiffy
VOTE: Grimgroove

The aim of your request was not that I would keep posting in the QT, this was not your goal. The aim of your request was that I would start reading you as town.
This is a set-up, whichever way you turn it. The way this is being turned against me is probably an unexpected bonus of what you were trying to do, but yes, you're scum. It's obvious to me now.

And to add to that question in bold: What would you gain as any alignment?

In post 623, Wisdom wrote:Why would you care what Grimgroove thinks of the game after you die? I don't get it.

I want his reads. It's pretty simple.

In post 624, Wisdom wrote:

In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote:I'm aware of people sharing a QT (often scum, but beside the point) where the QT got new posts despite the poster being the only person in the QuickTopic alive.

The only occasion that happens is the last scum alive posting their thoughts in the QT, for people to read afterwards (and even that usually only happens in Newbies, I think)

It's not inconceivable for neighbors, which we all effectively are, or masons to post thoughts after one of them dies, too. And I've seen the last scum remaining posting thoughts in the QT in non-newbies (and I was his scumbuddy in one of them, I believe). What exactly is throwing you for a loop here?

In post 625, Grimgroove wrote:The aim of your request was not that I would keep posting in the QT, this was not your goal. The aim of your request was that I would start reading you as town.
This is a set-up, whichever way you turn it. The way this is being turned against me is probably an unexpected bonus of what you were trying to do, but yes, you're scum. It's obvious to me now.

That really does not answer my question. "The aim of your request was that I would start reading you as town"? I should be convincing everybody I'm town in the first place. Is that not, then, the aim of everything else I've been doing, even though they haven't all been effective?

In post 626, Grimgroove wrote:And to add to that question in bold: What would you gain as any alignment?

I would gain the potential to glean at why you're doing what you're doing. If I flipped scum, you could simply deny me that potential as I had posed a threat—I honestly don't see the QT continuing to be used if at least one of us is scum and dies. (Which I think begs the question to everybody else why the hell we're bothering with our own QT if we're both scum, but we're not.)

In post 627, StrangerCoug wrote:

In post 623, Wisdom wrote:Why would you care what Grimgroove thinks of the game after you die? I don't get it.

I want his reads. It's pretty simple.

To do what with them? You would be dead.

How would my being dead hurt reading my partner's QT to see what he puts there?

I don't see how that would be useful but whatever

Yes, "whatever", let's just keep our vote on Grimgroove and pretend nothing happened.

@Wisdom: So your reason for voting me is?

Read my posts.

594 in particular

Yes.
The only thing I could find was a bunch of townreads on me, a wacky sneario involving me and Majiffy, and no arguments.
Oh, no, one.
The part where I consider StrangerCoug's request to be scummy and try to get him lynched for it.
And the part where I consider all those inconsistent statements of yours with regards to that equally scummy.
Yes, now that's not really an argument is it?
With your "whatever" you admit yourself you're not convinced about Stranger's explanation of his request. Yet me thinking it's scummy is a bridge too far.
Yeah, I'm reading your posts. I hope everyone else does as well, and will remember them.

So, I'm kinda-sorta caught up, and here, have some thoughts:

Majiffy is breaking my brain. On the one hand, there's no way scumJiffy would issue the challenge thinking he'd live through it.

StrangerCoug is also hurting my brain. It does indeed sound like he was giving up; recent posts of his, though, show otherwise. Perhaps he got his second wind.

I'd rather vote SC than Jiffy today, though.



Pretty sure that's L-1.

@Wisdom:

594 is not a reason. It's not an argument.
It's a hypothesis coupled with circumstancial evidence brought up to fit the "case".
No, I doubt you'll get me lynched like that.
If you do, shame on town.

In post 594, Wisdom wrote:Majiffy scumreads Grim to the extent of ignoring the town plan and just challenging Grim's team so that he can vote him.
Majiffy changes his vote to Coug because Coug is being wagoned and doesn't even care about his Grim scumread anymore. In fact, he puts him FOURTH on the list of who town should lynch.
You'd imagine that Grim would be mad at this and he would want to lynch Majiffy no matter what, but what happens? He calls Majiffy town and INTENDS TO HAMMER Coug, while we haven't even properly heard from 2 people.

This is not a hypothesis. This is what happened. Facts.

I'll let Majiffy do the dissing of that 594, from what I've seen he's pretty good at that.

You assumed I would be angry at Majiffy. I was, I am, like many other people. But why should my anger lead to me lynching him? Obviously, that's what you were hoping for, but why would that make me town? Why couldn't I just be a reasonable guy who thinks with his head and not with his whatever it is that dominates the bodily functions when one is angry?

I have limited access over this weekend.

In post 594, Wisdom wrote:Majiffy scumreads Grim to the extent of ignoring the town plan and just challenging Grim's team so that he can vote him.
Majiffy changes his vote to Coug because Coug is being wagoned and doesn't even care about his Grim scumread anymore. In fact, he puts him FOURTH on the list of who town should lynch.
You'd imagine that Grim would be mad at this and he would want to lynch Majiffy no matter what, but what happens? He calls Majiffy town and INTENDS TO HAMMER Coug, while we haven't even properly heard from 2 people.

I challenged Grim's team because I was scumreading both.
Coug followed the scum behavior I had texted to Mollie that I was expecting. I had also called Amrun voting me out of spite.
Grim is forth because the people earlier than him in the list are stronger scum reads for stronger reasons. Which would be self-evident if you read my posts regarding those players.

In post 596, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: Grimgroove

So you believe I'm scum but decide to place your vote off my wagon?

Wisdom, I know you have moments of retardation, but this is pathetic.

I am, however, interested in why the hell Coug would care if Grim kept posting in the QT.

In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote: You are not an "easy mislynch". I've seen you play very well, and except for what I see as the fatal flaw, you still are now.

So going against an agreed-upon plan by the majority of players in the game, in favor of forcing unwanted 2v2 amongst players not in the scumpools of most players, and eliciting an emotional backlash against such play isn't going to set up a favorable environment for a mislynch?

I'm sure you can explain my wagon actually competing with yours, then, as no one had really stated a scum read on me and there had been talks of you being read as scummy by a few players.

In post 635, Nobody Special wrote:Majiffy is breaking my brain. On the one hand, there's no way scumJiffy would issue the challenge thinking he'd live through it.

Or would he?

StrangerCoug is also hurting my brain. It does indeed sound like he was giving up; recent posts of his, though, show otherwise. Perhaps he got his second wind.

I'd rather vote SC than Jiffy today, though.

I would? Idk. It's a tough call, because I knew I'd get backlash and scum would hop on me.

Coug is coming back because he's seeing an opportunity to lynch Grim, who now appears to be an easier wagon to push through than the one on me which stalled immediately after he and his buddy Safety hopped on.

Coug needs to die today.

*fourth

In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote: You are not an "easy mislynch". I've seen you play very well, and except for what I see as the fatal flaw, you still are now.

So going against an agreed-upon plan by the majority of players in the game, in favor of forcing unwanted 2v2 amongst players not in the scumpools of most players, and eliciting an emotional backlash against such play isn't going to set up a favorable environment for a mislynch?[/quote]
The impression I got from your post is that you think I think you're a village idiot, which you and I know you're not.

In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote:I'm sure you can explain my wagon actually competing with yours, then, as no one had really stated a scum read on me and there had been talks of you being read as scummy by a few players.

Basically a lot of Amrun-sheeping going on.

My show's coming on; I'll elaborate later.

In post 640, Majiffy wrote:I had also called Amrun voting me out of spite.

Nono, that never happened. Shes voting you because you are scum which she has posted extensive evidence to support.

In post 642, StrangerCoug wrote:The impression I got from your post is that you think I think you're a village idiot, which you and I know you're not.

That's not at all what I think you think. I think you knew what I did would stir up a lot of controversy and negative feelings, and you tried to maximize on that for .

In post 642, StrangerCoug wrote:Basically a lot of Amrun-sheeping going on.

Yes blindly sheep the person who is thinking emotionally. I can't wait for you to explain this clearly logical move from a town POV.

In post 640, Majiffy wrote:I am, however, interested in why the hell Coug would care if Grim kept posting in the QT.

Why not? I've been interested in reading scum QTs after I've been lynched as scum even if its one scum left.

Lol.

No the way that Coug has dropped my wagon for Grim's is giving me pause on them both being scum.

^ In fact that SC isn't just intent on following his hypothetical scum QT after this but instead throws out a request that can be interpreted oddly as a supplement makes him probable town.

P-edit: I need to catchup.

I don't think anyone but Grim in the group is likely scum really.

Sc, eh. I thought he was scum in Switchboard and I was wrong and hes doing similar things here.

I guess I could buy the request as an attempt to look uninterested in getting lynched.

In post 640, Majiffy wrote:So you believe I'm scum but decide to place your vote off my wagon?

Wisdom, I know you have moments of retardation, but this is pathetic.

Did you miss the part where I called you both scum?
Grimgroove is scummier.
But you're just as scummy for now completely withdrawing your scumread on him and pushing only Coug.