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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:09 am

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You're not the only one who agrees with PJ here...
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:15 am

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hmm.. I don't think I'm voting Pug and he hasn't tried to defend himself at all, or do anything to prevent this.

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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:43 am

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petroleumjelly wrote: 1.) Your early FoS on Max for good reasoning, with an early FoS on Glork on
bad
reasoning (perhaps very purposely: I've noticed scum tend to use weaker arguments against their own partners)
I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't believe I ever gave Glork an FOS.
petroleumjelly wrote:2.) Sitting on the fence for a long time about the issue of Lloyd, while also showing suspicion on him. As scum, this would be an attempt to nudge the town into voting Lloyd without committing yourself firmly to the position.
I wasn't sitting on the fence for a long time. I voiced my suspiciouns in one post and voted for him in my next post only two days later and I committed myself fairly firmly to my suspiciouns of Lloyd.
petroleumjelly wrote:3.) Trying to expand to the potential shows which could be scum (perhaps so it is easier to attack townspeople)
I was only expanding on one of the reasons I was suspicious of Lloyd.
petroleumjelly wrote:4.) Not voting for Glork based on the fact that you found Lloyd more suspicious, while calling the case on Glork weak
You mean I voted for someone I found more suspicious over someone I was less suspicious of; that's insane. Why would a protown player ever do that?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I'm not sure how to respond to to that. I was more suspicious of Lloyd so I kept my vote on him. It's as simple as that.


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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:16 am

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1. Pug, who should be lynched over you?
2. Lloyd/Max, I think you need to claim your flavor.
3. Can we get a prod on armlx or a replacement? And a votecount!!!! PLEASE!
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:18 pm

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ubertimmy wrote:2. Lloyd/Max, I think you need to claim your flavor.
3. Can we get a prod on armlx or a replacement? And a votecount!!!! PLEASE!
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:51 pm

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ubertimmy, if you are really a cop, then you are not CSI (to counter Pug89's claim)?

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ubertimmy and Thesp,

Have you ever been in a game where the moderator told your what your investigation flavor was?

When flavor is to be guessed by players via deduction, how could Max and I *know* our flavor?

Based on results thus far, my guess is that we're either naive or insane.

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petroleumjelly wrote:Where did the night-kills go? HMM? Are you going to propose that neither side sent in a kill?
petroleumjelly,

On night 0...Night kills could have been targetted on a potential un-killable serial killer (MeMe), and a potential un-killable godfather (possibly zu_Faul).

Besides Max and I...I think al_kohaulec with his doctor claim, is the most cleared person right now.

- Since you opened up the can of worms of referencing past games that I played in, I can do the same with games that you played in...

You replaced me in Deck of Cards, when we had a godfather role. I recall that you put in a good amount of effort to make sure that we (scums in that game) would win.

Also, I recall your elaborate scheme in Back to Gambits 2, where I had replaced later on. In that game, you tried very hard as well, with an over-elaborate scheme of claiming Judas, and then Vampire.

In this game...I sense that you are trying too hard as well, much more than a restless townie would.

I don't buy your claimed 2 shot self protect power. A townie that cannot be killed at night, is too strong in terms of balance of power.

With the above reasons, I think you are scum in this game. Thus, my vote for you stands unless someone convinces me otherwise.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:07 pm

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Lloyd, you're a real doof sometimes.

1.) Of course I was lying about my second self-protect. I said that so scum would be more scared to target me. I did, however, have a self-protect Night Zero (which was not chosen, it was an automatic self-protect). I am very confident Ibaesha was targeted by
at least
one scum group Night Zero. Thanks for having me reveal that, awfully pro-town of you.

2.) If MeMe was an unnightkillable Serial Killer, there is no excuse for her living through a second kill on her (after being replaced by LoudmouthLee, and then Dirge). Even if she only had a one-shot protection, it would also make even
less
sense: how many games do Mafia groups target the
same person
two nights in a row? When scum see a kill blocked, 90% of the time (so long as there are no doctor deaths), the scum group will target somebody else.

3.) Also: I put effort into a lot of my games when I am town as well. I put effort into games because I like to... what's this?
WIN GAMES
. I am not a "lazy" player by nature.

Saying I am more likely to be scum because I put effort into games is entirely stupid.

Would you rather me be lazy? Would you rather me mindlessly bandwagon? Would you rather me not check the thread?

That's how games are lost. I don't sign up for games to lose.

Right now, you are really stretching to find reasons to vote for me. There are obviously better people to place your vote on.

Pug89 has claimed CSI, which is more likely to be an investigative role than anything, if that is actually his role. He has claimed townie. He has many ties to Glork. He has not been a large contributor to the game. He does not have any redeeming circumstances (such as a Cop investigation). Pug89 is the play today.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:49 am

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petroleumjelly,

1) I did *NOT* ask you to reveal anything. You are the one who decided to reveal that you don't have a second self protect.

2) Your 90% number is figurative. I doubt you could back up the number with history of past scum night actions.

3) I pointed out that you aren't playing like a restless bored townie. Play however you choose to play.

- If Pug89's CSI townie claim is true, he may be our backup cop.

- Just because viper0933 says that he's a townie after what seemed like a lynch, it doesn't make him one.

- Night 0's lack of kills doesn't clear you at all. You could still be scum who was targeted by MeMe, but survived because you had a self-protect, or was protected by a doctor.

Your previously proposed scenario does't clear you at all.

Please re-explain how lack of night 0 kills eliminates the possibility of you being scum.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:51 am

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If we've got a backup cop, which I think is far from certain.
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:22 am

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K. I'm here. Sorry, RL > mafia. Rereading and such.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:29 am

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Lloyd wrote: - If Pug89's CSI townie claim is true, he may be our backup cop.
Mason cops, a regular cop, and a backup cop, in a 12 player game?
Lloyd wrote: - Just because viper0933 says that he's a townie after what seemed like a lynch, it doesn't make him one.
It doesn't, but it's a small point in his favor, all players have their own method of how they act after they're lynched and in twilight, most players throw in the towel and say what they were. I don't know what viper would do, but I'm not saying he's definitely a townie, but it's simply a small point in his favor.

[quote="Lloyd]
- Night 0's lack of kills doesn't clear you at all. You could still be scum who was targeted by MeMe, but survived because you had a self-protect, or was protected by a doctor.

Your previously proposed scenario does't clear you at all.

Please re-explain how lack of night 0 kills eliminates the possibility of you being scum.[/quote]

please explain where the lack of night kills could have gone?

I'm assuming one at least did go towards him as I protected him N0. So that would account for one of the kills, now as for the second kill, where did that go Lloyd? Why don't we have a second kill? Was somebody roleblocked? If so that person needs to come forward and say who they blocked because that most likely means we caught another scum (or two). There may be other possibilities, but the self protect is the only one that is possible in any way right now. If he was protected from both killing groups, it means that both killing groups targetted him, and that he is not associated with either of them.


I admit that the selfprotect thing is suspicious, and I missed the actual post where he claimed it, but otherwise, tell me where the second kill went Lloyd, and maybe I'll look at your arguments.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:57 am

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No, I'm not CSI.

Lloyd, you misunderstand me. How about your showname?
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:40 am

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Lloyd:

1.) I don't care. You showed doubt of my second self-protect, and frankly I doubt scum were fooled by it anyways.
2.) I don't care. Of course it's not an exact number. It doesn't need to be. "Scum are more likely to act scummy" doesn't need an exact number to make it true, and the same goes with all scum tells. I don't need a graph with numbers on past games to make my point in this game.
3.) I don't care. Should I apologize because I'm not restless? Because I
am
bored. This game is taking way too long. I want Pug89 to be lynched so we can go into night.

I am not the play today. I am amazed you are still gunning for me. I am also amazed that you are trying to give Pug89 claims (Deputy), when you should know yourself that you have already claimed Mason Cop. There are no deputies when there are Mason cops.

I will not "reexplain" why the lack of night-kills clears me. I already have.

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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:00 pm

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I have a suspicion that the flavor behind Lloyd-masons could bury Pug89, but if we want to vote sans that, I could live with that.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:16 pm

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Just letting you know I'm getting my wisdom teeth removed tommorrow so I will not be posting for a few days. I'll deal with any questions or arguments about me then.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:13 am

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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:22 pm

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Just a quick question to clear everything up.

Who is still yet to claim/be confirmed/etc?

I know:

Me- Amazing Race- 1 Shot RB + ???? (yet to say)
Lloyd- Mason Cop (prolly naive) with Max
Max- Mason Cop (prolly naive) with Lloyd
Al_ - House- Doc with autopsy info ability
PJ- Some kind of kill immunity
Ubertimmy- Cop
Zu- Townie (with Not Guilty investigation)
Pug- CSI- Townie (prolly lying scum)

Assuming these are all true (which I have no reason to currently doubt, with the exception of Pug espcially given the influx of 3 CSI shows plus many rip offs on other channels...), we have 1 scum in

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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:23 pm

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EBWODP: I'm slight suspicious of PJ as the last time he posted with all the action lay outs etc. was in Back to Gambits 2, where he was scum (or pseudo-scum as one of the Judas roles).
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:27 pm

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*giggle*

Eh, these games are different. In Back to Gambits 2, I was trying to coordinate the scum-kills by giving them a road-map in case the town mass-claimed. Here, I know what roles we're dealing with, so I am trying to confirm as many roles as possible.

I believe those roles are correct, although you should add a "+ ???" for my role, since I do have a second ability.

As it is, it seems many roles have duplicate features to them (Masons being Cops, Doctor with a possible investigation, whatever second ability Armlx seems to have, as well as my role), so I am more inclined to believe that Pug89 is just plain lying.

Let us lynch him for my collective sanity now, please. And where has our Mod gone? *sigh*
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:08 am

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* Lack of kills on night 0

Scenario A - Some moderators (e.g. Kelly Chen) prefer not having kills on night 0, but do allow other types of night actions. I think this is LostProphet's first moderated game on this site, so I don't know what his preferences are. Nonetheless, it's possible that he disallows night kills on night 0 as well.

Scenario B - MeMe had a one shot un-nightkillability protection

Scenario C - There is a delayed killing mechanism in place

Scenario D - petroleumjelly and al_kohaulec could be scums, and covering for each other. I think this is less likely, as al_kohaulec took a risky move in claiming doctor.

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* Thesp and armlx's insinuation that Max and I are CSI

Thesp and armlx, we are not CSI. If you want to vote for Pug89 on the basis thinking that Maxi and I are CSI, you are then making a wrong assumption.

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* ubertimmy wanting to know my show's name, even though he didn't give his show name

I see the question from ubertimmy as fishing, very similar to how he was fishing for information from me yesterday.

If ubertimmy is really a cop, I don't know why he's concerned about others' show names when he ought to be more concerned about his investigation results.

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* petroleumjelly claim of a second ability

At this point, I don't believe petroleumjelly in claiming powers.

First, he says gets an auto self-protect and a second manual self-protect.

Then, he says he lied about having a second manual self-protect.

Now, he claims a "+ ???" for his role. I am finding it unconvincing.

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* Pug89

People that want to lynch him - petroleumjelly, Thesp, al_kohaulec, ubertimmy

If Pug89 turns up scum, then it might clear one of the 3 above, unless scums are doing something suicidal and throwing one of their own under the bus.

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* viper0933

If he is scum, he may have bought himself a ticket to winning this game.

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* ubertimmy's investigations

To me, it doesn't make sense why Glork didn't re-block ubertimmy last night.

Since ubertimmy claimed being blocked last night, wouldn't Glork have suspected that ubertimmy is a power role?

If Glork didn't block ubertimmy last night, who would Glork have chosen to block instead?
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:04 am

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armlx wrote:Assuming these are all true...
Hahahahaha!!!!! That's a good one!
Lloyd wrote:* Thesp and armlx's insinuation that Max and I are CSI
Where did that come from? That's not an accurate picture at all.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Sat Jul 22, 2006 6:36 am

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ok, a vote count would be nice now.

and I'll
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for now to look over what claims we have (I didn't realize we had so many) and since we have so many people claimed right now, it might be good to have a mass claim by anybody who hasn't claimed yet.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:46 am

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Lloyd, if you can't see
why
people would see you as CSI, I'm shocked.

If you'd like me to claim my showname, I will.

I'm concerened about others' show names because im concerned with the basic point of the game - to find mafia.

Maybe Glork's block didn't go through because he died?

As you said, all moderators run things differently.

To anyone not voting Pug: Why isn't pug a good lynch, and who is a better lynch over him?
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:23 am

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*rubs temples*

Lloyd, you have no idea how much of a frustration you are to me right now. You need to realize:

1.) You and Max are the scummiest claimed Masons I have ever seen in the history of Mafia Scum. If it were not for your claim, I would think you are scum. Period. Your contribution to the game is little to nothing other than "I'm a Mason, voting is bad for me." And now you are going after
me
. I know you are a good player elsewhere, but I am not afraid to tell you that your play this game just plain sucks. Apologies if you take that the wrong way, but that is my honest opinion from one Mafia Scummer to another. You need to look at the whole picture and reevaluate the game, because you have been off the whole time. The best players realize when they make mistakes, and change them. That is what you need to be doing right now.

2.) You don't even have a case against me other than "I am leading the town", and the only
reason
I am leading the town is because everybody is lurking and not contributing, and I don't like games dyng. Also, people usually follow others when they agree with something: get over the fact that people are going to agree with me.

3.) I honestly don't give a flying frick as to whether or not you don't believe my second ability. Because I am not going to be lynched today: I still expect to die overnight, because I am practically the only person who is actually playing the game. The correct lynch today is Pug89. I have asked you before if you had any better suspect, and you have not answered. And why? Because there are no better lynches. Pug89 needs to be lynched.

4.) Think before you speak. If Glork had re-blocked Ubertimmy, it would have been
guaranteed
that Glork would be lynched on Day Two, because blocking the same role twice in a row (especially a claimed Cop) when there would have been better targets (read: people who were actually suspected on Day One) would be highly suss. You need to remember that Glork was trying to get away with a claim of a
pro-town
role-blocker. Role-blocking Ubertimmy again would have made his claim drastically less credible.

I am baffled that this game is still in Day Two. There is simply no excuse for this. Pug89 needs to be lynched.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:23 pm

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petroleumjelly wrote:I am baffled that this game is still in Day Two. There is simply no excuse for this. Pug89 needs to be lynched.
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