btw @Nat: If you're going to bring up Red Wine (Where I had no townie heat on me for a long while but we went for it because it was working, not because they felt they had to.) I'd present Marketplace in response, I feel very similar here to what I did there towards the end. You were in the game too.
TIP's vote looks forced, could be a bus as people have said, or could be a desperate shove off of a bad judgement call.
There we go. You see, these types of posts make me think that you do have reads even if they're muddled. And I just want to know them, even if they are. So pretty please tell me your opinion of everyone?
Everything I currently have is out here. I'll post as I see it.
In post 598, Shadoweh wrote:CES, why did you target Tierce in specific and why did you give up so easily on convincing her to vote with you?
I felt JacobSavage's elaboration made that whole sideshow Tierce was engaged in fairly uninteresting, so it seemed like a natural angle. And then I worked that angle more by defending JacobSavage too.
SSK, chamber can confirm that I already posted my reasoning in the Neighborhood before I voted you.
Unvote, vote: Espeonage
This whole post is entirely bull.
I'm going to start by addressing CES's response to Shadoweh.
First off, his whole defense of JacobSavage, (as far as I can tell), consists of
In post 408, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
I put it to you that I am in fact being nice by giving you a neat little wagon to jump on for when you realise JacobSavage doesn't look scummy.
. That's one hell of a defense and a way to improve that "angle".
But I honestly don't even still see why Tierce was the one CES was focusing in on. His reasoning is that Tierce sounded bored? So he wanted to help her? Right.
But maybe his reasoning was "in the neighbourhood". Which is another thing that I don't get from this post. Chamber can confirm the reasoning was posted in the neighborhood?
Why not make it publicly out there where we can all respond? Why not make it publicly out there so everyone will definitely read it? Or is it because you wanted an excuse to be able to start a Because Reasons wagon. I feel like that is more believable.
But you're not the lynch today. Because Deadlines.
Yes and you shouldn't have. Hop right back on, tip.
I mean, do you really think a mafiassk lynch is happening today? Don't waste your vote.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:53 am
by TheIrishPope
have you not seen all my proof?
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:01 am
by sirdanilot
Meh, I read CES-scum too so my vision is clouded here. Your case is certainly not strong enough to switch the wagon over to mafiassk.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:05 am
by ActionDan
In post 567, Shadoweh wrote:shos, I'll be sure to try and enjoy mafia less in the future. Some of you are trying very hard to help that happen.
MyDan, you of all people who gets wagoned constantly for lurking should know better then to hop onto a lurker wagon for no reason. What was that suposed to accomplish?
I'm getting really annoyed with Espionage's refusal to do that reading that he's promised about five times now. Is it that hard to fake reads besides the lurker for getting modkilled too slow? JUST POST. You are doing everyone a disservice by making it impossible to read you. (which is probably the point.)
I Dunn o ran out of scum reads. Who should I vote?
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:06 am
by Shadoweh
In post 627, MafiaSSK wrote:
But maybe his reasoning was "in the neighbourhood". Which is another thing that I don't get from this post. Chamber can confirm the reasoning was posted in the neighborhood?
Why not make it publicly out there where we can all respond? Why not make it publicly out there so everyone will definitely read it? Or is it because you wanted an excuse to be able to start a Because Reasons wagon. I feel like that is more believable.
But you're not the lynch today. Because Deadlines.
Him saying it was in the Neighbourhood is CES being cheeky, if you look in his ISO it's in one of the green
sections.
ChessDan, vote for one of TIP/Esp/MafiaSSK for viability, ignore the last one if you want to vote scum.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:08 am
by ActionDan
VOTE: esp
Done
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:14 am
by TheIrishPope
In post 632, sirdanilot wrote:Meh, I read CES-scum too so my vision is clouded here. Your case is certainly not strong enough to switch the wagon over to mafiassk.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
IT IS CERTAINLY STRONGER THAN THE NON EXISTANT ESP CASE
In post 634, Shadoweh wrote:
ChessDan, vote for one of TIP/Esp/MafiaSSK for viability, ignore the last one if you want to vote scum.
hold up.
so the only one who publicly defies the strongest wagon needs to be lynched.
does anyone else see what is wrong with this.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:26 am
by Desperado
I will not be voting Esp today.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:30 am
by Elscouta
On MafiaSSK and TheIrishPope
As it has been said by many people, post 563 is perfectly fine. Most of the remarks are good, and i don't find surprising at all that a player coming back from vacation with 6 votes on him focuses his reading/catch-up post on the people voting him. TheIrishPope, on the other hand, is starting to really looks horrible. All its ISOs is fluff and snark except the occasionnal vote, often without explanation. I particularly dislike how he went from Nat wagon (seemingly his preferred lynch target) to Esp wagon (seemingly a compromise lynch target) to MafiaSSK (less likely to be lynched than Nat, and with a fairly weak reasoning). I highly doubt he will get lynched today, but if a speedwagon wants to start on him, i'm ready to reserve a seat.
Regarding the related case on Cogito Ergo Sum, i haven't made my mind on it. From what I read, it is mostly a case of "buddying", and I'm quite uncomfortable with this kind of case. It is my opinion that town should defend other players they consider town (and I got lynched quite a few times for this...) but I'm aware that the site meta doesn't like it. It isn't a lynch possibility today anyway.
On Espeonage
He is still as useless, and seems to have basically given up on the game. It is hard to say whether it is scum ploy, or just a vanilla townie "whatever, i'm out of the game". Given his posting style is far from townish, I'm starting to feel "okay" on his lynch, given he will obviously never get NKed, and is not a PR. I still think we can aim for higher, and lynch much more scummy players.
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Good Wagons (by order of preference):
JacobSavage, TheIrishPope, sirdanilot
Okayish wagons:
Espeonage
Bad wagons:
Natirasha, MafiaSSK
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Desperado wrote:I will not be voting Esp today.
Can I sell you the deliciously tasty JacobSavage wagon then? An amazing EIGHT post for the whole game, with basically only one post with content, and yet one very significant scum tell.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:34 am
by sirdanilot
I would go with a JS wagon, but Esp wagon is better.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:40 am
by chamber
I'm up to page 24~, Espeonage isn't doing this game what I caught him for day 1 in red wine. Doesn't mean he is or isn't scum here, me deferring back to you I guess.
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:07 am
by TheIrishPope
Seeeeeeeriously
Why is every single player acting scummy except for maybe Tierce
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:30 am
by shos
Elscouta - you're a person to work with.
I agree with you on MSSK, not necessarily on TIP. his posts might be short one liners and fluff, but they are a ton, and together they provide content and not that much noise. even with posts like "hahahahahahahah" - it's basically a post saying 'I disagree'. I sorta agree with him on some things, and I don't think he's a scumlynch for the while.
about Espionage - I don't understand what people want from him. yes, he's useless and stuff, but so is like half the people here it seems(possibly including myself judging by my indepth activity), and it looks like a randomly-picked compromise lynch with many followers. at the moment there are what, 7 votes on the wagon? I'm *sure* that there's at least, say, 2 scum over there, and that espion is town.
How comes nobody takes any single fucking comment about Actiondan??
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:14 am
by Aegor
Esp is a terrible lynch for today. Someone can just vig him tonight. Lynching him gets us almost no info and there has been no real case that he is actually scummy, rather than just confusing/anti-town/annoying/useless/incompetent.
UNVOTE: VOTE: PeregrineV -- parked vote on Shadow after RVSing me, no contribution since them.
