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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:49 pm
by Thor665
@Mod - request Yiley prod...preferably with red hot poker.


A lot of games had their flow hard smashed by the loss. By the point we're sitting around debating a lock I think that's not a lock happening situation because it defeats the value of locking the thread in the first place. Mod should either lock asap, or not lock at all in my opinion. We're already past the sweet spot.

@Antihero - do you see the Bulb wagon picking up traction today, when and how?

@Pere - whom do you expect to leap onto the Smargaret wagon? What are you doing to facilitate this happening?

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:55 pm
by smargaret
I'm all for a lock, too, mostly because I didn't actually get a chance to review anything before the site went down. Also seconding the request for a yiley prod.

Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:50 pm
by Antihero
In post 625, Thor665 wrote:@Antihero - do you see the Bulb wagon picking up traction today, when and how?
Since you declined, probably not.

I'm tempted to change my vote to jello man just because of how annoyingly bad his play has been so far, but that's not really a good reason.

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:34 am
by Thor665
In post 627, Antihero wrote:I'm tempted to change my vote to jello man just because of how annoyingly bad his play has been so far, but that's not really a good reason.
So, you have a scum read (Bulba) and an anti-town read (Jell-o) do you have any other scum reads?

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:56 am
by jasonT1981
Alright, I am locking topic until I get word back from mods on site about missing posts.

10 DAYS, 3 HOURS, 23 MINUTES on the clock, however, I will restart it at 11 days 3 hours 23 minutes


Posts are expected back on Saturday... So expect game to open late Saturday evening or Sunday Morning depending on what time they get the posts back (keep in mind I am in the UK so it maybe in the middle of the night posts are recovered)

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:48 am
by jasonT1981
No word on posts returning, but been advised to open game

Day 2 vote count 7

Cxinlee 4 - Bulbazak,Yates,smargaret,BROseidon,
PeregrineV 2 - penguin_alien,Thor665,
Smargaret 1 - PeregrineV
Bulbazak 1 - Antihero


not voting

T S O
Yiley
cxinlee


V/LA


None

Prods sent out

None

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

(expired on 2014-03-16 16:48:46)

till Day 2 Deadline

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:53 am
by PeregrineV
So far so good. Let's see who all comes back.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:55 am
by T S O
Peregrine, I have a Cop result here on you.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:01 am
by BROseidon
Hi guys.

Gonna be busy with finals this week. Not going V/LA b/c I should be mostly good to post one-liners and shit.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:01 am
by T S O
whoah whoah BRO

I see congratulations are in order!

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:58 am
by PeregrineV
In post 632, T S O wrote:Peregrine, I have a Cop result here on you.
So you got the famous Tiger Attack Cop Role? I heard it let's you investigate a player anytime the site is down for more than 8 hours or we have to rollback any posts.

Did you get:
Guilty
Not Guilty
A Little Guilty
Pretty Guilty, But Remorseful
Guilty of Something, but Not Relevant to This Game
Other

?

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:23 pm
by BROseidon
In post 634, T S O wrote:whoah whoah BRO

I see congratulations are in order!
Outing as cop on day 2 is not gratsworthy >:C

Crumb your result next time.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:24 pm
by Yates
In post 632, T S O wrote:Peregrine, I have a Cop result here on you.
Please tell me this is not a gambit. That would make me feel sooo good about this post!
In post 439, Yates wrote:
In post 434, Smudger wrote:If you feel I am scum why are you not voting for me? Is it because you are lining up lynches?
You can make this easy for me. Were you and Zek inexplicably the only two scum in this game? I mean,
I thought it was you, Zek, and Zakk [PereV]
based on the assumption we had at least 3 scum but if you are trying to say there are only 2 scum and you are the second then I guess what you are suggesting makes sense. Otherwise, oddly enough, the order of lynches and the information those lynches provide matter to me. *shrug* What can I say? I'm old fashioned in that I like for my lynches to be based on proven information rather than mere speculation.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:23 pm
by Bulbazak
In post 636, BROseidon wrote:
In post 634, T S O wrote:whoah whoah BRO

I see congratulations are in order!
Outing as cop on day 2 is not gratsworthy >:C

Crumb your result next time.
I know you're not this stupid...

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:11 am
by penguin_alien
So I don't want to quote-strip and no one really wants me to quote strip. I'll just say that having read the game, my top two scum suspects are cxinlee and Antihero, the latter for Smudger's play in good part. The way both of them were defending/coaching Zekrom stood out. Some other people were town-reading him, sure, but those felt like active reads as opposed to looking for reasons why he just might, possibly, not be scum. Smudger's Day Two opening was awful, and Antihero's entrance didn't thrill me either. Antihero-wise, I'm also getting the kind of 'oh, he makes logical points, must be town' vibe I had the last two times I got snowed by Antihero-scum. Add to that the really soft push on cxinlee while not wanting to change his vote...I have little problem considering this the remaining scum team.

Current thoughts on everyone else:

Yates--leaning town. The more I read, the more I see the posting style I expect from Yates-town. It doesn't hurt that I agree with his assessment of Smudger.

Bulbazak--town; gut read. Not getting the agenda-pushing sense from the Bulbazak-scum I remember, and I don't see scumbuddy interactions with Zekrom.

T S O --town; gut read. No reason to go to bat so strongly for Zekrom, and his approach reminds me of FEA.

smargaret--Eh, if cxinlee is scum as I suspect smargaret pretty much has to be town or incredibly self-destructive scum. Going with town unless I get reason to think otherwise.

Yiley--With people having shown that they were willing to lynch elsewhere at the end of Day One, I'm pretty sure scum had little motive to come in and hammer their own role cop. I tend to think that any bussing was done early on when scum figured they'd have time to find plausible reasons to switch their votes. Given that we have a VT flipped, and given that we have no evidence of multiple scum groups, scum probably lost a ton of power with the role cop lynch. Yiley's been less than productive, but I'd lean slightly town.

PeregrineV--The Zakk case is weak, and I'm not getting scum-PV from his posts. I'll keep an eye out, but not interested in lynching today, post-unlocked thread shenanigans aside.

Thor665--Town; had plenty of clout to keep the Zekrom wagon suppressed and didn't. Probably other stuff too, but I don't think I have to persuade anyone of town-Thor right now.

BROseidon--Heh, not feeling super-confident in my read here. I like his interactions with other players. I also tend to think that BRO-scum down a teammate would have come into Day Two with a plan. Hesitantly leaning town. Pending more info, and I think he'll forgive my lack of a solid read here.


PV: re: , um, your point about #168 is wrong--smargaret did address Zekrom, just misnamed him Zakk. Which actually makes me think she's town, as scum shouldn't be mixing up their scum buddies unless she had the sheer misfortune to draw scum with Zakk and Zek, and if you're town, that obviously can't be the case...

And counting Zekrom's posts is pretty much a zero-sum game. None of them were more helpful than others, and having had the experience of playing in several Zekrom games and modding one, the line between anti-town Zekrom and scum Zekrom is rather blurred. So saying that he had lots of posts when smargaret made her posts doesn't really speak to their utility in the slightest.

UNVOTE: PV

Antihero-cxinlee interactions feel theatrical. I'm OK with this:

VOTE: cxinlee

That's L-1...

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:18 am
by Antihero
In post 639, penguin_alien wrote:Antihero-wise, I'm also getting the kind of 'oh, he makes logical points, must be town' vibe I had the last two times I got snowed by Antihero-scum.
LOLZ

never thought i'd see the day when someone complimented my scum game

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:08 am
by PeregrineV
In post 639, penguin_alien wrote:PV: re: 549, um, your point about #168 is wrong--smargaret did address Zekrom, just misnamed him Zakk. Which actually makes me think she's town, as scum shouldn't be mixing up their scum buddies unless she had the sheer misfortune to draw scum with Zakk and Zek, and if you're town, that obviously can't be the case...
smargaret's was referring to Zakk's , not to Zekrom in any form. My question remains, why no attempt to scumhunt the biggest topic at the time?
In post 639, penguin_alien wrote:And counting Zekrom's posts is pretty much a zero-sum game. None of them were more helpful than others, and having had the experience of playing in several Zekrom games and modding one, the line between anti-town Zekrom and scum Zekrom is rather blurred. So saying that he had lots of posts when smargaret made her posts doesn't really speak to their utility in the slightest.
The point was to show that the chance existed for smargaret to engage Zekrom to either scumhunt or defend him (if she thought he was town). She did none of that.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:22 am
by penguin_alien
PV:
In post 168, smargaret wrote:Zakk - anything else to say? Because calling someone out around one post when we have seven pages of actual stuff to go on (as opposec to questions about emotional state) and then nothing else? That's a bit fence sitty.
The emotional state stuff pretty clearly referenced Zek to me...? I can see it being read both ways.

The putting Zek in with three likely town players is more suspect. If my cxinlee read is wrong, then I'd agree with smargaret pressure. Although it's hard to criticize people not wanting to get on the Zekrom merry-go-round given his method of engagement.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:08 am
by Bulbazak
Blah blah typical Bulbazak L-1 speech blah blah blah

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:38 am
by T S O
mmmgh, I have a flu and it's not even funny how badly I'm feeling atm. I'll try, but it could be a while til I'm back.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:19 am
by PeregrineV
In post 642, penguin_alien wrote:PV:
In post 168, smargaret wrote:Zakk - anything else to say? Because calling someone out around one post when we have seven pages of actual stuff to go on (as opposec to questions about emotional state) and then nothing else? That's a bit fence sitty.
The emotional state stuff pretty clearly referenced Zek to me...? I can see it being read both ways.

The putting Zek in with three likely town players is more suspect. If my cxinlee read is wrong, then I'd agree with smargaret pressure. Although it's hard to criticize people not wanting to get on the Zekrom merry-go-round given his method of engagement.
But that's kind of my point. She had no trouble engaing the top three other posters with some sort of question, but not Zek.

Then throws in a single question at the guy who posted once?

Hard to envision a town mindset from that, esp. in light of the Zekrom scumflip.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:34 am
by Yates
In post 639, penguin_alien wrote:I'll just say that having read the game, my top two scum suspects are cxinlee and Antihero, the latter for Smudger's play in good part. The way both of them were defending/coaching Zekrom stood out. Some other people were town-reading him, sure, but those felt like active reads as opposed to looking for reasons why he just might, possibly, not be scum. Smudger's Day Two opening was awful, and Antihero's entrance didn't thrill me either. Antihero-wise, I'm also getting the kind of 'oh, he makes logical points, must be town' vibe I had the last two times I got snowed by Antihero-scum. Add to that the really soft push on cxinlee while not wanting to change his vote...I have little problem considering this the remaining scum team.
I really want you to be Town because I agree with all of this. And I'm glad because any time I start to second guess my read on CXI, someone else reminds me why I'm voting there.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:39 am
by Thor665
@Pere - what's your opinion of the cxin wagon?
@Antihero - same question

Hint: I'm calling you scummy for not even mentioning it.

@Cxin - I have intent to hammer you, please claim.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:02 am
by PeregrineV
In post 647, Thor665 wrote:@Pere - what's your opinion of the cxin wagon?
There's nothing to mention.

I don't think scum intentionally tries to antagonize other players, or continue to post the same way when said players think you are antagonizing them.

Had a and took a stance on Zek that didn't seem to come from scum.

Is probably town, but is probably also going to be lynched today.

I don't have a strong enough town read to try to save him, but not seeing scum.

Would hammer him near deadline, but not my lynch of choice today.

Does that help?

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:04 am
by Thor665
Who do you think is the scum pushing him then?