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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:31 am

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@aun - no I did not crumb. I don't really see the point of it except in certain circumstances. Certainly as a bp the last thing I wanted to do was let the scum know my role (as they then are not going to waste a kill on me). This is why I was so reluctant to claim when aronis pressured me yesterday.

Perhaps more to the point breadcrumbing doesn't really prove anything, for example darklight could well still be strongman and have had his fakeclaim sorted from the start.

623 seems super genuine where the reasoning is explained. *twiddles thumbs and waits for mod to answer questions*
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:36 pm

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I see. Eh, the lack of crumb is null.

@DarkLight: Have you revisited Reminiscence yet?

@reinoe: You haven't made any comments on whether you think we should use your govern today and that's bothering me. Do you think it's worth using it? If so, who would you like to govern? Seems silly not to give you a say in your own action.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:22 pm

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@reinoe: You haven't made any comments on whether you think we should use your govern today and that's bothering me. Do you think it's worth using it? If so, who would you like to govern? Seems silly not to give you a say in your own action.

It's because I don't care.

My enthusiasm for this game has been greatly diminished since I can't govern myself. The only reason why I chose a town card is because I'm tired of being mislynched as town so I figured I'd be able to save myself. I just assumed the info in the wiki applied to this game but it doesn't.

I missed out on being a werewolf because of that misunderstanding.

For some reason Reminiscence isn't getting lynched ever despite her obvious lies and anti-town card selections. I'm going for Aronis but that's not whom I want to lynch most.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:26 pm

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Vote Count 4.1


DarkLightA (1):
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Aronis (1):
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No Vote (4):
Aronis, DarkLightA, Marky Mark, Reminiscence

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday, September 22, at 9:30AM CST, which is in (expired on 2014-09-22 09:30:00).

Reminiscence has been prodded.
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I also request an answer to my question, please:

awesomeusername wrote:
@Mod: Hypothetically, if a governor were to bold "Govern: [playername]" in the thread, activating his action, would you publicly confirm that [playername] is in fact governed and removed from the lynch pool in a mod post?

My apologies, I forgot to respond to this. Yes, I would confirm the action is in effect.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:20 pm

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reinoe wrote:
awesomeusername wrote:

@reinoe: You haven't made any comments on whether you think we should use your govern today and that's bothering me. Do you think it's worth using it? If so, who would you like to govern? Seems silly not to give you a say in your own action.

It's because I don't care.

My enthusiasm for this game has been greatly diminished since I can't govern myself. The only reason why I chose a town card is because I'm tired of being mislynched as town so I figured I'd be able to save myself. I just assumed the info in the wiki applied to this game but it doesn't.

I missed out on being a werewolf because of that misunderstanding.

For some reason Reminiscence isn't getting lynched ever despite her obvious lies and anti-town card selections. I'm going for Aronis but that's not whom I want to lynch most.


The apathy is not going to help us. Do you think either of rem or aronis are likely to be the strongman, or do you just find them scummy in general?

Now the mod has cleared things up, I think we push on with having reinoe govern someone. He is very likely telling the truth about his role, but there is no harm in checking, and it let's us narrow down the strongman suspects.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:31 am

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Prod received.
I expected the game to be finished earlier...
I won't be able to get into this game until Thursday though.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:43 am

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Rem, if you're town, are you expecting your townmates to work for you or are you giving up? :/

reinoe's post looks genuine.

@reinoe: Actually, I'd probably rather lynch Rem than Aronis today, since Aronis can't be strongman. I'd far prefer DarkLight, though. You have any thoughts on DarkLight?

Let's proceed with the governing, then. I think I'm fine with anyone besides DarkLight and Marky Mark right now.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:42 am

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awesomeusername wrote:@DarkLight: Have you revisited Reminiscence yet?

Sorry, but no. I've been really busy lately and haven't had much time. I'll hopefully get to it later.

I'd certainly like to test the governor. It would have to be on whoever is least likely to be lynched, in order to not interfere with the play. That's probably awesomeusername.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:44 am

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Govern: awesomeusername
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:27 pm

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reinoe has Governed awesomeusername.

awesomeusername may not be lynched today.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:00 am

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Reinoe could you answer my question please?

Marky Mark wrote:Do you think either of rem or aronis are likely to be the strongman, or do you just find them scummy in general?

Well that's Reionoe's role confirmed - if I had to put money on a player being strongman given the current info I would go for a darklight lynch, but best option given the even player count and potential MYLO seems to be VOTE: No Lynch (unless I am missing some glaring reason why we shouldn't?)
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:43 am

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VOTE: DarklightA

Between myself, reinoe, and awesome. I think we have this pretty much locked up.
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:57 am

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I have some thoughts I'd like to get out before nightfall, so don't lynch quite yet please. I promise I won't be long.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:36 am

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@Aronis: Even with the strongman, your role is not useless because if I see you targeting somebody we can confirm me as not strongman. So if we don't kill the strongman today, try to target whoever you think I'll target. If we do kill the strongman today and the game doesn't end, I guess play as you normally would.

I'm sort of at a weird spot in my reads right now because I'm inclined to think that Rem, reinoe, and Aronis are town, but I'm unhappy with their play. My primary suspects are Marky Mark and DarkLight, but they've been playing well.

  • DarkLight's crumb is making me somewhat unsure of my read of him as the strongman. He's still probably the best option for a lynch today because he's the most likely to be on a scum team. Also, note that he claims to have gotten his role from a werewolf card, so it's not unlikely that even if he's scum he has the Werewolf 1-shot bulletproof card and decided to crumb that.

  • I'm getting increasingly paranoid of Marky Mark. Given how he helped get the ac1983fan lynch going and his natural play, I don't think he's a werewolf or on team-scum at all, really. I think if he's scum he's third party; he did claim an SK card plus a generic VT card (though he was almost last to claim so claiming safely would've been unnecessary). Marky Mark is playing more how I would expect scum to play today than DarkLight is. Nonetheless, he's seemed pretty town all game so hopefully my paranoia is misguided.

  • I still think Rem's town, but I'm less sure of this than I was a few game days ago. Regardless, he needs to talk more tomorrow. I don't care what alignment he is, if he doesn't talk we can't read him and if we can't read him we'll lose. So make him talk. I could be wrong in my townread of him.

  • Reinoe's latest post felt very genuine and thus very town to me. If he's scum, his strategy this game has been to hide behind his Rem push and not contribute much else. I think his Rem push is probably genuine based on his attitude towards Ki-Gi and xfda as well, but it doesn't really excuse the lack of other information, I suppose.

  • Aronis seems town to me from the roleblocker claim, and we also know he's not the strongman. He hasn't had much influence on the gamestate, though. I think at this point in the game apathy is slightly more of a town tell than a scumtell, but I could be entirely misreading the situation. There are people who think Aronis is scummy, and to be honest I haven't been able to understand their arguments. If I'm alive tomorrow and the strongman is dead, I'll enquire further.

I don't really have that much of a preference between lynching or no lynching today. If anything, I'd rather lynch today because it's pretty likely I won't be alive tomorrow, and I actually have some reads I like for once so I want to have some influence on the lynch. You can always no-lynch tomorrow if you like.

Okay, I'm done. Sorry for the wall.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:17 am

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Marky Mark wrote:Reinoe could you answer my question please?

Marky Mark wrote:Do you think either of rem or aronis are likely to be the strongman, or do you just find them scummy in general?

I find Aronis in the "lean scum" territory. And Rem in the Definitely scum territory. In my view this means Rem is probably the strongman with Aronis maybe being the strongman.

Quite frankly I can't possibly see why being the strongman matters at all. Scum is scum and this "who is the strongman murder mystery" seems stupid to me. The scum is the strongman. They're one in the same. You find the scum you find the strongman.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:11 pm

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Sorry in advance for the wall.

reinoe wrote:I find Aronis in the "lean scum" territory. And Rem in the Definitely scum territory. In my view this means Rem is probably the strongman with Aronis maybe being the strongman.

Rem being strongman is certainly plausible role wise, alignment wise I cannot see how could come from a scum perspective. I have both you and aun as townleans but your scumreads are complete opposites, which is puzzling to say the least.

There were a couple of bits in aun's wall that pinged my scumdar:

aun wrote:My primary suspects are Marky Mark and DarkLight, but they've been playing well.

I'm in a similar place with my read on darklight - his posts seem fairly towny but I find myself thinking he could well be strongman by virtue of poe...

aun wrote:I'm getting increasingly paranoid of Marky Mark. Given how he helped get the ac1983fan lynch going and his natural play, I don't think he's a werewolf or on team-scum at all, really. I think if he's scum he's third party; he did claim an SK card plus a generic VT card (though he was almost last to claim so claiming safely would've been unnecessary). Marky Mark is playing more how I would expect scum to play today than DarkLight is. Nonetheless, he's seemed pretty town all game so hopefully my paranoia is misguided.

...but your stance on myself is rather inconsistent - you list me as a top scumread, but then go on to talk about how I've "seemed pretty town all game". The point about me being SK seems a bit of a reach (particularly given there's only been 1 NK for the last couple of nights). It could be paranoia, but it feels like you are trying to avoid writing off a potential lynch target, in a similar way to how you discussed how Not_Mafia might be SK back in .

aun wrote:I don't really have that much of a preference between lynching or no lynching today. If anything, I'd rather lynch today because it's pretty likely I won't be alive tomorrow, and I actually have some reads I like for once so I want to have some influence on the lynch. You can always no-lynch tomorrow if you like.

The bit about no lynching tomorrow is an odd sentiment - the whole point of no-lynching is to enable us to have the best chance of catching scum, doing so today gives us an advantage both straight away and in the following day (if there is more than 1 scum), whereas if we wait until tomorrow we may have already lost.

Perhaps slightly more importantly :
Reminiscence wrote:I won't be able to get into this game until Thursday though.

It's now thursday. What are your thoughts on the current scenario?
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:21 am

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Hello I'm back.
So with reinoe being confirmed governor, the pool for strongman lessens.
So there's no other way of a full bulletproof dying other than a strongman, right?
In that case, I still believe that there is only one scum left and I would like to have a lynch today.

Also, let me look at some stuff and come back.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:25 am

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Hm it looks like looking at wagons won't help :(

Day 1 lynch was on confirmed scum.
Day 2 lynch was a deadline lynch.
Day 3 lynch has a self-hammer (I didn't even realized that he self-hammreed until now) that taints the wagon that would've been very informative otherwise.
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:35 am

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Marky Mark wrote:...but your stance on myself is rather inconsistent - you list me as a top scumread, but then go on to talk about how I've "seemed pretty town all game". The point about me being SK seems a bit of a reach (particularly given there's only been 1 NK for the last couple of nights). It could be paranoia, but it feels like you are trying to avoid writing off a potential lynch target, in a similar way to how you discussed how Not_Mafia might be SK back in 499.

But then that was his play in general this game. I think it's more of his stream of his thought process rather than avoiding something.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:39 am

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Plan:
lynch one of me/DLA today.
If we mislynch, aun watch aronis while aronis roll a dice between roleblocking Marky Mark and the one who didn't get lynched.
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:13 am

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@reinoe: It's not that I care that much about the strongman (although the role works very well for scum, given the roles claimed). The thing is, we only have a small pool of strongman suspects since anyone who can verify that they're a different role is not a strongman. Like, we know you can't be the strongman because the strongman can't govern.

@Marky Mark: My point was that I think you unlikely to be in group scum. But yeah, you're number 2 on my list right now by PoE even though your play has been pretty good. You leaving options open was actually one of the things that was bothering me, so I guess if my play looks like that, too, it's certainly something town could do. I see your point about no-lynching though. I mostly want a lynch today because I expect to die tonight so I won't be able to have much of an impact on the rest of the game.

Oh good, Rem posted and still looks town.
@Rem: What reasons do you have for believing there's only one scum left? Also, strongman goes through a roleblock, so if we don't lynch the strongman today, Aronis is basically a tourist. The best we can do with that is confirm me as not-strongman.

@MOD: I request a prod of DarkLight and Aronis
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:53 am

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Sorry. I'm here.

awesomeusername wrote:You can always no-lynch tomorrow if you like.

This strikes me as odd and potentially coming from a last werewolf. If we mislynch and there are two scum left, it's game over. However, awesome seems led by the assumption that play will continue tomorrow, signifying either:
1. He knows a lynch will hit scum—he has no way of knowing.
2. He knows a mislynch won't end the game.

Nevertheless, I'm most comfortable with a no lynch today. There's a real possibility of two scum being left, and I'm not certain of anyone being town, so a limited lynch pool is helpful no matter what IMO. Also, if there is two scum left, it's easier to vote correctly in LyLo. Then all 3 town must assemble on one vote rather than all 4 in MyLo. The only reason not to no lynch would be the possibility of us lynching the strongman today and the roleblock being successful. But that's not going to happen as I'm seemingly the main suspect now. Also, if scum no-kill, that would royally fuck it up.

VOTE: No Lynch
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:20 am

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I'll admit my wanting to lynch today is selfish. Either way, though, all of town has to get on a scum in order to lynch correctly, and in MYLO scum has to mislead 2 townies instead of 1. My own influence aside, I am inclined to agree with reinoe that it's generally better to lynch in MYLO, since the next day will probably go basically the same except without the townie that the scum wants around the least. I can see where you all are coming from, though.

And I meant you could no-lynch tomorrow assuming tomorrow happened. I find it a little weird that this is the one thing in the last few posts you thought was worth commenting on. On a somewhat related note, any thoughts on Rem yet?
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:31 am

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Hey phone posting, can someone compile a list of all the claims.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:25 am

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@reinoe: See .
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