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Voidedmafia - 2 (pirate mollie, Nazarene)
ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (Sonic Boom)

Not voting - 4 (EddieFenix, Voidedmafia, DrippingGoofBall, ika)



Last votecount was page 25, post 617.

↑ istott wrote:

<<< The best part of the image is the flexibility behind the meaning of the words. There are at least three different ways that could be read:
"I must move with great speed",
"I must go without eating",
And, "*gripping nether-regions* I gotta GO. Fast!"

Now tell me, which do you think a hydra-slipping Sonic is? >>>

I legit laughed for half a minute.
Thank you so much, mastin.
It would have to be number one though.

Or is it..


Number two?

By number two, do you mean number three?

↑ istott wrote:I legit laughed for half a minute.
Thank you so much, mastin.

I aim to please!

Don't look at me, I'm not voting.

Some people think my contribution will only lead to a town loss.

You guys better hustle.

↑ shos wrote:

↑ Mathdino wrote:townread on ProHawk

LOL

I hereby pro-mote a pro-bably pro-town pro-hawk lynch.

DGB, I don't want you to just not play at all, I want you to just try not to tunnel on people so hard that you essentially bet the game on you being right or wrong.



Bulb may yell no, but I simply do not like what he's done so far. If I'm wrong he can freely yell at me all game long.

P-EDIT: How many pro-somethings can you fit in there, Shos?

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:I want you to just try not to tunnel on people so hard

I'm not even tunneling.

Oh, heck with it, might as well make it official.




Voidedmafia - 2 (pirate mollie, Nazarene)
ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (Sonic Boom)

Not voting - 3 (EddieFenix, DrippingGoofBall, ika)


Last votecount was page 26, post 625.

I am a pro-fessional and I do not need your help. I have no pro-blems and you are pro-ne to harm my pro-crastination.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On 'explain yourself':

No, I actually want him to explain himself. He has yet to, thus my vote remains. First it was fake outrage and now it's for appearance?

First, those terms are not incompatible with each other. Second, it absolutely was for show, because if you wanted Fenix to explain something, you would have been very specific about what you wanted him to explain. Saying "explain yourself" essentially boils down to you seeing a behavior that can be called scummy and then calling attention to it in a general noncommittal way in an effort to look town.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On mollie:

I can't see why he would've been concerned with mollie at that point in the game.

Anybody who's played with Mollie would be concerned about her.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On original points:

That's bullshit. He was the first to vote shos, but with no reasoning. You were the first to question shos and Nazarene was the first to actually push him. That vote means nothing.

Rereading that early section of the game, and considering that ProHawk continued to push Shos, meaning the vote wasn't RVS, I'd say that naked vote carried a lot of weight and meaning.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
However, it's all predicated on the idea that ProHawk is town and I'm scum pushing a townsperson.

Nope. My case has nothing to do with my ProHawk read.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Also your comments on the ProHawk wagon are inane: EVERY wagon is either A. Not going to happen and therefore safe, or B. Going to be pushed through by town later on. So what you're telling me is anyone who starts pushing a wagon is scum?

Nope. One of the key aspects to playing scum is learning which wagons to push and which not to push. Some wagons are more dangerous to scum than others. Funny that you're trying to dismiss that fact when its basic mafia theory.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

Furthermore

, you claim that I called the shos wagon a bad one (in response to Nazarene, mind you) before it happened because it was something I'd want to stay away from. Yet AT THE SAME TIME, you're saying that I'm voting ProHawk for being an easy target. This makes no sense.

I did not say that whatsoever. Shos was an easy wagon. Heck, that he seemed to, as you said, be trying to draw votes should have made it obvious that he was a very dangerous wagon to be on as scum. It was very easy to vote Shos, same as it was very easy to vote Guille. Both made what appeared to be super scummy moves, making them easy wagons. ProHawk, however, is not an easy wagon. What I said you were doing was using non-reasons, i.e. easy to fabricate reasons, to push him. Your whole case on him revolves around "fluff", not that you ever explain said fluff. You just say fluff and then whip the rest of the mob into a frenzy. Along with lurking, that's a very easy reason to push a wagon and requires zero commitment. ProHawk as a player required more of an effort to get lynched than Shos, Guille, or Sonic, but when it comes down to it, you're using those easy non-reason cases to push said lynch.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
And on jackel, 221 is where I started defending him. This was after 3 players had already voted him.

True, but that was after you had asked Nazerene for his read and then fence sat like crazy.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On deflection:

Like hell that was banter, he responded to my telling him he'd produced nothing by trying to tell everyone that mollie had also produced nothing, and then voted her. And he was blatantly wrong.

His response about Mollie was not to you but Mollie. Given their history, this makes it banter. And if he voted her, then that meant he was scumreading her, which even if he was talking to you, would point to that not being deflection and an actual scumread.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Why would you not explain your townread?

Because I feel like it.

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Are you townreading him solely because I'm scumreading him?

Nope, just like I'm not townreading ProHawk simply because you're scumreading him.

↑ Mathdino wrote:

↑ Bulbazak wrote:

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
His 'points' are nothing new and his mollie fight early on was utter BS.

I can see how he'd be concerned about Mollie. As for no original points, that's BS, as he was the first to push Shos and provide reasons to vote Jackel.

I forgot the 2nd part. Cause I mean this...
this isn't even true...
You call this (296) reasons to vote jackel?

No. I call that a reason to vote Shos. This is his reason for voting Jackel.

↑ Mathdino wrote:
Read his ISO again, Bulba. Your townreads on both him and Fenix are completely unfounded.

I don't think I've given all the reasons why I'm townreading them, but I assure you, they're not unfounded.

↑ Mathdino wrote:
I want to reiterate that you're pretty much voting me out of
1. Gut, and
2. Your townread on ProHawk, which is weak as hell.

1.) I haven't been gut reading you since I made the case on you. This is a legitimate scumread.
2.) My read on ProHawk has nothing to do with why I'm voting you, and if you think it did, you should either be accusing me of being scum chainsaw defending ProHawk or scum WKing ProHawk. The fact that you're doing neither is far more telling, as it shows cognitive dissonance.

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:

↑ Bulbazak wrote:In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

HOLY DEMOTIVATION BATMAN

Please someone NK me

UNVOTE:

Here. I'm not voting anyone anymore. Lynch whoever the F you want.

Get over yourself. You've played with me before, and this is not the first time I've expressed this opinion. You didn't throw a hissy fit then. Why are you throwing one now?

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:
I'd believe multi-cop over no sane cop.

No one said anything about an insane cop.

↑ ika wrote:
@bulb: you gonna talk to me or jsut vote me?

I'm not voting you atm. Did you want to talk to me?

↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Wtf is this reasoning? ^

Solid town reasoning.

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:
Bulb may yell no, but I simply do not like what he's done so far. If I'm wrong he can freely yell at me all game long.

You're wrong, and this vote is stupid. You're siding with someone who is scum and didn't actually make a case containing any analysis on someone who is town and just provided analysis out of the wazoo. Out of the two, which sounds more like scumhunting to you?

SHOOOSSSSSSS

should i go full ika mode for day 1? you didnt answer it and i want to knwo if i should

pedit:

@bulb: lete me rephrase: you were voting me at one point

yes i want to talk with you. seeing how you are also a player who like mecanics and what i would say "non-normal" what you think the setup is? i want to break this game into 2.

I'm not sure how successful we'd be trying to break the setup, as it seems to be designed in a way to throw us off. I am, however, thinking that scum probably have 1-2 godfathers on their team, with 1 being limited in the case of multiple. I'm definitely not going to blindly play Follow the Cop.

So guys, I saw at least one question directed toward me and I am headed out the road for a trip out of town (Sorry Naz). Will try to get some time tonight, but no guarantees. If there are any of you fence sitters thinking you want me gone, hurry it up because if I am going to be lynched I need to know sooner rather than later.

Voided, I tunneled on you when you were town, so I guess we can call it even, no yelling involved.

↑ Bulbazak wrote:I'm not sure how successful we'd be trying to break the setup, as it seems to be designed in a way to throw us off. I am, however, thinking that scum probably have 1-2 godfathers on their team, with 1 being limited in the case of multiple. I'm definitely not going to blindly play Follow the Cop.

what about muli-cop/cop insanitie(s) or even backups?

do you think this could be a thinly viled "basic" game (ie, cop+doc vs goon+PR+PR) and then a jumble of random stuff to make it interesting?

what about the idea of no VT and everyone is a PR game?

↑ ika wrote:

↑ Bulbazak wrote:I'm not sure how successful we'd be trying to break the setup, as it seems to be designed in a way to throw us off. I am, however, thinking that scum probably have 1-2 godfathers on their team, with 1 being limited in the case of multiple. I'm definitely not going to blindly play Follow the Cop.

what about muli-cop/cop insanitie(s) or even backups?

do you think this could be a thinly viled "basic" game (ie, cop+doc vs goon+PR+PR) and then a jumble of random stuff to make it interesting?

what about the idea of no VT and everyone is a PR game?

Most of this has occurred to me. There was a reason I made a reference to "There is No Doctor", as I think there may be multiple cops and that Mastin may have made them almost useless just to have fun with us. Anything is possible.

fair enough.

anything for me while im around? im gonna be gone in a few

↑ Bulbazak wrote:Get over yourself. You've played with me before, and this is not the first time I've expressed this opinion. You didn't throw a hissy fit then. Why are you throwing one now?

As a player that dooms her faction, all I have left to do is "hissy fits." If you want to call it that. I just lost my motivation, deal with it.

May I interest you in a policy lynch?

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:I want you to just try not to tunnel on people so hard

I'm not even tunneling.

You aren't , but I'd thank you if you could keep it light if/when it happens.

↑ Bulbazak wrote:You're wrong, and this vote is stupid. You're siding with someone who is scum and didn't actually make a case containing any analysis on someone who is town and just provided analysis out of the wazoo. Out of the two, which sounds more like scumhunting to you?

I can accept that Saurus's case is not as solid as I originally expected, and I'm not liking some of his responses to you (for instance, that your case is gut and based on your townread, the former of which I could tell was definitely not true), but neiher am I going to accept what ProHawk has done (or hasn't done, rather) as proof enough to not wagon him. I see words but not , Bulb, and unless I'm just not looking hard enough (which, honestly, is entirely possible) I can't and won't defend someone that doesn't seem to have the latter to me.

On a related sidenote, Saurus's response feel like they're dipping toward wordage over meaningful rebuttals.

↑ Bulbazak wrote:No one said anything about an insane cop.

Istott questioned if there was a normal cop in the game at all. It doesn't have to be strictly insane, but my point was that as of D1 I'd probably believe we had two or more cops in this game than that we had one insane/paranoid/naive/etc. Cop.

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:

↑ Bulbazak wrote:Get over yourself. You've played with me before, and this is not the first time I've expressed this opinion. You didn't throw a hissy fit then. Why are you throwing one now?

As a player that dooms her faction, all I have left to do is "hissy fits." If you want to call it that. I just lost my motivation, deal with it.

Someone says something negative and you automatically go to hissy fit mode? Isn't that more or less proving him right?

↑ ProHawk wrote:Voided, I tunneled on you when you were town, so I guess we can call it even, no yelling involved.

1.) Wha game? I don't remember what game(s) we played together.
2.) I'm...not tunneling you?

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:May I interest you in a policy lynch?

If no one will lynch Dino-scum, I will consider a policy lynch. Get it going.

↑ Voidedmafia wrote:
On a related sidenote, Saurus's response feel like they're dipping toward wordage over meaningful rebuttals.

Trust that.

↑ Bulbazak wrote:

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:May I interest you in a policy lynch?

If no one will lynch Dino-scum, I will consider a policy lynch. Get it going.

Then policy lynch me, since that's in the town's best interest.