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[copper223]

@Om
Check again what I said about Pirate Ika, they made quite a big mistake if you look at their posting history overall imo, I can't say more.

The other sketchy names are TGTP and Vonflare for starters and Toonfighter as a follow up, my problem with Toon is that he always looks super sketchy to me so I have no clue if he is once again scummy (as far as I read the game) as town or actually scum here (I'm leaning towards the latter cause I don't see why Copper vs VDA in our latest game wouldn't even make you question if Drixx is scum here Toon, care to explain why you once again come in just to drop an opportunistic vote when you have just seen an example where the 1v1 was a TvT?)

I am still not sold on Bulbasaur so there's that to consider as well.

Do you know how often town and scum 1v1 D1 Om? Almost never, I've just come from a game where I could tell you 50 scumslips I believed a guy made and I promptly got him lynched D1 spending my time in a 1v1 (the game I just mentioned to Toon) only to find out he was town, I also have a problem with Drixx's claim cause it makes him more likely to be town everything considered if I am interpreting what the mods said about slapping the two games together and not testing for balance correctly, I strongly disagree with Drixx about your case on him being scummy though, in fact that case pretty much means you are my second top town after Oranje.

[Om of the Nom]

ok well i'm not explicitly townreading or scumreading any of those sketchy names so i can work with that for now, i'll take a closer look at them in the morning

i have a few ideas of what u mean re:pika but im not 100% sure what specifically ur referring to

ok so
my issue with drixx now is that
despite this whole spiel ive made, and a few others chiming in too
drixx is still extremely reluctant to give out reads
and he's resorting to bad tactics to try and defend himself
and he's focused all his attention on him and i, as opposed to taking any more stances anywhere else

i will think the claim over tomorrow, though at this point im not inclined to care about it

[Drixx]

Yeah, I'm done. When someone is behaving so stupidly that they define "It's early in the morning and I need to sleep" as "still extremely reluctant to give out reads", there's no reasoning with them.

Have fun feeling stupid when I flip exactly as I claimed Om. I will be back post game to taunt you for thinking you're good when you made a terrible, fallacy ridden case against me, and then were so excited about finally thinking you were good at the game that you decided I don't get to sleep or handle my RL work, and asking to do so makes me scummy. There's nothing in your worthless pile of tripe post to defend.

I think it's hilarious that such bad play will rob the town of the rest of day 1. I reject Copper's assertion that this is my fault. I made a reasonable request to sleep (which I've done), and to get my work done (which I have not yet), and got piled on and the driver on my wagon called me scummy for wanting to handle the basic necessities of life.

@Copper - When people are either scum and will twist anything you say or do to fit their agenda, or just really bad town and think asking to sleep is a scum tell, there's no fighting that.

[copper223]

@Drixx
This game is not a 1v1 between the two of you, I will tell you post game you wasted your considerable analytical power bad mouthing someone else instead of actually trying to win the game if you flip town.

This latest post from you I dislike more than most, you are just calling Om bad here and it is phrased in a way that makes me think you believe she is town, that is completely useless imformation for the rest of us if this is the case.

Why aren't you checking what I said about Ika's vote on you being sketchy and that there is some evidence of it? Why aren't you interacting with the players you know from past games, asking them for their read on you, like cerberus? Why do you constantly find a reason to avoid giving (scum)reads?

[Toon Fighter]

Yeah, I'm done. When someone is behaving so stupidly that they define "It's early in the morning and I need to sleep" as "still extremely reluctant to give out reads", there's no reasoning with them.

Have fun feeling stupid when I flip exactly as I claimed Om. I will be back post game to taunt you for thinking you're good when you made a terrible, fallacy ridden case against me, and then were so excited about finally thinking you were good at the game that you decided I don't get to sleep or handle my RL work, and asking to do so makes me scummy. There's nothing in your worthless pile of tripe post to defend.

I think it's hilarious that such bad play will rob the town of the rest of day 1. I reject Copper's assertion that this is my fault. I made a reasonable request to sleep (which I've done), and to get my work done (which I have not yet), and got piled on and the driver on my wagon called me scummy for wanting to handle the basic necessities of life.

@Copper - When people are either scum and will twist anything you say or do to fit their agenda, or just really bad town and think asking to sleep is a scum tell, there's no fighting that.

Even if you are town, you are not giving us much to work with here. You act like a spoiled brat and refuse to find scum other than OMGUSing Om. The day has barely begun and you are giving up and throwing the towel. Your attitude justifies the votes just as much as your poor plays, so you should work on that.

[Drixx]

I asked for time to go to sleep and work before coming back and trying to respond to the several different things people are telling me I ought to be doing if I'm town (which I am). While I slept, a bunch of people piled on, and the primary driver on my wagon interpreted me asking for a very small portion of a 3-week day phase to sleep and work as scummy. Please forgive me for thinking that in the face of that logic, I'm unlikely to win out with any sort of rational appeal.

On the assumption that I return later today and I'm still alive, I'll take a look at Copper's suggestion for what I ought to do to somehow get out from under a wagon which is currently claiming I'm scummy for

sleeping at night

.

My questioning of Om still stands, and hasn't been answered that I've seen. There's a whole game full of people who haven't pushed any cases at all. Why was I singled out from the pack? Was it because I didn't take the naked votes seriously? I dunno, because there was never any explanation of a vote on me.

In any case, I need to get some work done. I'll check in when I've done my work so that I can play.


@Copper - Thanks for the roundabout compliment. As far as things go, I just am not super concerned that town will lose a good role if a mislynch comes my way. My utility is only down to what scumhunting I do, and someone decided I wasn't doing that fast enough for its taste, which is irritating since I actually did start a case on someone and simply hadn't pushed it further yet. Now, instead of focusing on what I was paying attention to, I'm somehow obligated to re-read 600+ posts and give "reads" on mostly fluff, and you and I both know that there's almost nothing I can say that's going to stop this wagon. Why do you think I've responded the way I have?

[Drixx]

EBWOP - @TF - You missed the part where I pointed out one of the hydras as scummy apparently? Also ... I'm still bemused by the fact that a bunch of people are simultaneously voting me because I haven't pulled a miracle out of my ass and found scum in the first 1/3 of the first day with almost entirely fluff posts to work with while at the same time almost everyone voting me also hasn't done any scumhunting. My wagon got going because Om decided to throw a vote on me and encourage other people to do so (without any reasons), and I gave it an opening by responding sarcastically.

There's something a little off about people calling someone "fucking worthless" and "spoiled brat" and saying they're "refusing to find scum", when all of those same people also haven't done anything they're demanding of the person they're heaping insults on.

I've really got to get my work done now. I'll try and do better than you lot when I come back, because if I am finding scum on your standards, I'll basically have to point at the entire game and say "You aren't finding scum, so you're scum" and that won't really be useful or even particularly cogent, at least not in my opinion.

[copper223]

@Drixx
Either you decided to call it quits early as town because of not having fun, thinking the lynch is happing no matter what, you are stressed in RL... or you are caught scum and you believe any extra information you give will just harm your faction.

I am not voting anytime soon as giving you the chance to post is good no matter your alignment and I would be pretty annoyed if someone else did, so if you are town take your time, post what you think about the rest of us sans Om and we can go from there.

[Cerberus v666]

Hmm. I fail to see how om's case has any value, at least, any value vs a purely random lynch. I find om's posts to be incoherent however, so perhaps I'm just missing their merit. Also, and this is just a general question going out to anyone who chooses to respond, do you think, if scum saw momentum forming on a train for one of their partners, they would prefer to pile on said train, or to take advantage of the other votes lying around and split the momentum to other options?

Hmm. Soren doesn't care that I'm voting for him, which is perfectly reasonable, but ignoring the reason why I'm voting for him isn't. He hasn't pushed the D1 claim thing at all though, but I'll just leave the vote there for the time being.

[ActionDan]

My role has immunity from being killed by a specific scum faction, ergo my role essentially confirms multiple scum factions.

I have a very good reason to believe you are telling the truth about your role. (Also the mod confirmed multiple scum teams [specifically 2] would be present in this game)

[God of Power Outlets]

@TGTP
First the not so damning points:
1. You are so full of it, do you think Cabd is an experienced player? Do you think Nachomamma8 is an experienced player? Do you think Reckoner is an experienced player? Do you think Antihero is an experience player? Do you think Mastin2 is an experienced player? They all did what you describe as foolish, so the only foolish one is you if you are town which is probably not the case.

2.You also attributed to me a quote that comes from Drixx, about attacking the playstile instead of the player, why?

3. but here comes the big one

"Faction specific bulletproof," said the Beast. "As in a bulletproof scum that can't be cross-killed?"

We know the two game designs are separate and have been mashed together, so to assume cross connections in order to call Drixx scum is just blatant misinformation, if you believe his claim he is probably town!

VOTE: TGTP

OOG:
I was mod removed from a game without warnings because a jackass mod did not like 3 posts containing 1 insult each when the other player was giving as good as he was getting, so since there is no precise guideline on how mods react to it I am now going for a 0 insult policy and I want it enforced or I will just leave the game. This is one of the main problems on MS I think, I was about to just quit and I know of 3 newish players on the forum that actually did because they thought their treatment was unfair compared to what happened to them in other games.

@All
For those of you that think Lucian is scum, go and check out his first newbie game onsite please, especially BBmolla but also the Commonwealth if you guys are town here, I am not as sold on him as on Oranje but his town play would probably look just as scummy to you if you think he is very scummy here so I don't think those indicators are good for this particular player.

@Lucian
Answer my question about Soren please.

@Bulbasaur
I liked your read on Oranje, I can see why you would genuinely think that Lucian is scum so if you are town please check that game out (see above).

First off, I will say with 100% certainity that NONE OF US will ever try to use that excuse (...okay, maybe 98% because I could almost imagine Venusaur trying to use that as scum, but it'd be a very rare occasion), so tia (ty for that one, Mollie) if you don't insinuate that again.

Secondly, well...Venu's play has to be seen to be understood, but reads are both incoming and have been placed by at least two heads (one of which has been a consensus, so yay that). I'm fairly sure all three of us have at least glanced at the thread/read up to about page 5, but I'm the only one who's caught up. It shouldn't take them too long to do so, though.

I am certain Mastin2 would use that excuse as scum. I am also certain if you are scum you would say whatever so that doesn't help in the slightest. Waiting to see what else you come up with.

@Drixx
I agree with Om about you not pushing any scumreads and that is one of the main beefs I have with you, if you are town you can't hide behind the "town is dumb" slogan for why you are likely getting lynched here, your play has just as much to do with it if not more.

@All
Some of the votes that are coming in on Drixx are super sketchy, like Ika's

(you are likely scum as well mates), I would strongly advise town to do a quick search of their posting history

, if Drixx is scum the other scum faction is likely pushing on him now, the fact this is multiball is making me question the wagon dynamics, otherwise he could only be town in this position.

1- I don't give a shit if you disagree with me about whether Bulbasaur would fuck up as scum or not.

2- so i fucked up my quote tags or whatever and that makes me scum? go somewhere with that shit

3- blatant misinformation? oh, fuck you. Do you not understand sarcasm? I WAS ASKING HIM A SARCASTIC FUCKING QUESTION YOU DISINGENUOUS LITTLE TOOL

ask me if i believe bulletproof claims day 1

go ahead

FUCKING ASK ME

[God of Power Outlets]

the rest of that post is tl;dr bullshit that i can't even get my dick hard for


don't fuck with me copper, i promise you, PROMISE YOU you won't win

[ActionDan]

We know the two game designs are separate and have been mashed together, so to assume cross connections in order to call Drixx scum is just blatant misinformation, if you believe his claim he is probably town!

Because they've been mashed to together, I think roles will not actually be altered from when they were in respective 13p games. Meaning that if there was a town BP in one game, they'd probably be BP in this game but wouldn't have anything to do with the other set of mafia. Meaning it'd make sense for them to be BP for a specific faction. Similarly, a scum BP would originally exist to counter vigs and town killing roles, thus wouldn't have anything to do with the other set of mafia either; however, no scum BP would actually think to claim immunity to one scum faction (though to do so would be profitable, but I don't think they'd think of it considering what their actual role PM would imply).

[God of Power Outlets]

hey dan if you're scum / SK can you do what you did last time we played together and shoot me tonight


i'd appreciate that, thanks in advance

[ActionDan]

but I'm not.

[copper223]

Lol I have never been lynched as town, bring it on babies, if you can stop insulting and resorting to AtE's.

Do you believe his claim? If so why are you voting for basically confirmed town, do you disagree with my interpretation of the mod's intro where he said the two mini's were designed separately and slapped together, ergo it's very unlikely there are cross immunities as you claim?

@mod I would like an explanation on what you accept and what you don't in this game as far as personal insults go

[vonflare]

VOTE: no insults

[ActionDan]

TPTG hasn't insulted you personally

[ActionDan]

Like in case it's skipped over

Drixx is town guys, off the wagon you go

[copper223]

YOU DISINGENUOUS LITTLE TOOL

oh, fuck you.

Do you have a problem reading the english language Dan?

[God of Power Outlets]

Lol I have never been lynched as town,

only twice in eight years, motherfucker



bring it, bitch

[ActionDan]

no, but it's never actually personal with kuribo. (well sometimes it is, but not in this case)

[God of Power Outlets]

Do you believe his claim? If so why are you voting for basically confirmed town, do you disagree with my interpretation of the mod's intro where he said the two mini's were designed separately and slapped together, ergo it's very unlikely there are cross immunities as you claim?

jesus fucking christ



A FACTION SPECIFIC BULLETPROOF CLAIM IS NOT CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN



do i need to god damn spell it out for you

[God of Power Outlets]

that's not even to say he isn't fakeclaiming


how the fuck do you know he's even a faction specific bulletproof? he might be full of shit

bulletproof claims are always sketchy as fuck anyway

[copper223]

only twice in eight years, motherfucker



bring it, bitch

I have no interest in lynching you if you are town, answer the questions I asked which are relevant to this game contrary to most of your posts.