503: Dead People Have Powers - Happiness Or Destruction?


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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:22 am

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well i mainly guessed/forgot about DG, which sounds bad but its true
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:42 am

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my arguement on draux

his Post 10
All of that is of course based on the fact that there are only three Scum and not more
knows for a fact the number of scum

post 12
Well, I mentioned that the entire plan (which suddenly occured to me one morning) was on the basis of there only being three Scum and not more. I guess it's possible that there are four Scum, but I seriously doubt a Mini would have 1/3 of it's players as Scum. =/
backtracts on the facts he knows


darn. i was hopeing for alot more stuff to jump out as saying im scum!! but there is little. the thing i say most was lots of distanceing, but thats not very concrete
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:33 am

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Vote Count


Ckillor (1): ckillor
Claus (0):
Delicious Goldfish (0):
Draux (0):

req to lynch 6
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:06 am

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Setael wrote:I just don't understand how ckillor knew it would be Draux counterclaiming and not DG. Reeks of mafia-style insider info.
DG wrote:I don't understand how Setael and Y can be so 100% sure that RA was scum. That doesn't make much sense to me.

I do agree that N1 was a disaster with a non-investigation, so you won't hear me whining about that.

But N2's investigation was not unhelpful, especially for those of us who are not scum, and wouldn't really know for sure of someone's alignment.
This post is really fishy to me. After the confirmed cop confirms that RA is scum, DG is still doubting it. Was he trying to prevent a RA lynch? Is it possible there are 2 scums left? (DG and ckillor)

I wasn't DOUBTING RA being scum. I was wondering why two people were 100% sure of someone being scum
prior to
the cop investigating him... Unless I missed something? But I totally doubt that I did.

I repeat, I have no doubt that ckillor is the real cop and that RA is confirmed scum. But why did Y and Setael already "know?"
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:45 am

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ckillor wrote:i was hopeing for alot more stuff to jump out as saying im scum!!
Wow. That's a pretty big slip.

1) I see no motivation for Draux to counterclaim you if he is mafia. He would know that even with your claim (assuming it was true), we'd have to choose between him and DG and since there's been a LOT more suspicion on DG than on Draux, I see no reason Draux would have made himself so vulnerable.

2) I find it hard to believe that you forgot DG was in the game, since you had just listed the player list. However, you were confused when you listed the player list so I can probably buy that. I actually think it much more likely that you, as scum, would claim town spiritualist if you thought that you and Draux were the only two left. You would want to claim it before he did in order to make him look like the counterclaimer, just like you did.

I'm convinced that ckillor is scum. We don't have enough time to draw this out anyway.

vote: ckillor



Max: The VC is off. You have ckillor voting himself, when it is Draux that is voting him. Also, we may need some prods on ghosts in order to get 6 votes. Can you please prod anyone who hasn't posted yet since daybreak who is still able to vote? Thanks!
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:12 am

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I will throw my vote into the ring, with a
Vote: Ckillor
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[quote=DG]I repeat, I have no doubt that ckillor is the real cop and that RA is confirmed scum.[/quote]

I assume you meant "kilroy is the real cop..."?
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:37 am

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We knew RA was scum because it was obvious. You can check the posts prior to the D_O lynch.

I'll have to read a bit before I vote.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:58 am

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crap. from a few messed up posts, i have really screwed my self. but its my own fault. i am the town spiritualist and thats all i can say
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:08 am

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This is our game state the way I see it:
ckillor (Alive) - Spiritualist?
Draux (Alive) - Spiritualist?

DeliciousGoldfish (Alive) - Neutral.

Spambot/Claus (Alive) - Doc.
Y (Dead) - Town.
skitzer (Dead) - Town.
Kilroy8675309 (Dead) - Cop.
Night_Light (Dead) - Town.
Seteal (Dead) - Town.

RandomActs (Dead) - Scum.

death_omen (Afterlife) - Town.

kabenon007 (Afterlife) - Scum.


That said, this post seems weird:
ckillor wrote:
Setael wrote:The Mafia PM from page 1.
Mod wrote:Mafia PM wrote:
You are mafia with X & Y. You can only kill when one of you is dead. During night you may talk among yourselves.
You win when all townies are dead or that is unstopable

Z is also a spiritual channeler if he is alive all dead people can talk and vote during day.
Setael wrote:

So here's an idea. There are only 3 scum + 1 scummy spiritualist.
thats only 3 mafia total. not 3+ 1 scum channeler
Every one else understood it as four mafiosos. Care to explain?
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:09 am

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Kilroy8675309 wrote:I will throw my vote into the ring, with a
Vote: Ckillor
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DG wrote:I repeat, I have no doubt that ckillor is the real cop and that RA is confirmed scum.
I assume you meant "kilroy is the real cop..."?
DEFINITELY a typo. One of those reading then typing what you're reading instead of what you're thinking things... Probably going to bite me in the ass but hopefully not...
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:12 am

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and wasn't it ckillor that counter-claimed cop forever ago? or am i completely mistaken...

i see ckillor as more scummy than draux.
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:04 pm

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DeliciousGoldfish wrote:and wasn't it ckillor that counter-claimed cop forever ago? or am i completely mistaken...
You're completely mistaken.

It seems like you're completely ignoring me insinuating you're the Neutral...
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:04 pm

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uh no, DG. ckillor did not counterclaim cop.

This will be really unfortunate if the town loses just because ckillor's claim was so odd. I'm keeping my vote on him just because I see no reason for Draux to counterclaim as scum.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:27 pm

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@Y i had looked at it as 3 mafia members because of the three letters, but i guess i see how it could be seen as 4. i messed this game up so bad. i need claiming/content lessons
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:48 pm

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unvote


I'm torn. I really can't see Draux as scum, but ckillor's last few posts have felt so town. I need to find time to do a reread...
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:21 am

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Vote Count


Ckillor (3): Draux, Kilroy, Y
Claus (0):
Delicious Goldfish (0):
Draux (0):

req to lynch 6

OMG it's deadline on Friday
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:41 am

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Setael wrote:Also, we may need some prods on ghosts in order to get 6 votes. Can you please prod anyone who hasn't posted yet since daybreak who is still able to vote? Thanks!
Ha! You want to prod me to vote?? Wouldn't that make it deliciously simple for you! No, I'll just haunt you for awhile, the nightmare lurking in the dark.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:45 am

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Ah, on second thought, I will indeed vote:

Vote: Claus


Let's see who will jump on THAT bandwagon!
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:36 am

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Hmm. I'm in the same place setael is... in that i think the way ckillor did the claim thing looked suspicious (more so than draux certainly), but i'm just not sure i'm ready to lynch him yet....
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:30 am

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Setael wrote:This post is really fishy to me. After the confirmed cop confirms that RA is scum, DG is still doubting it. Was he trying to prevent a RA lynch? Is it possible there are 2 scums left? (DG and ckillor)
Then we would've lost already. As scummy as DG sounds, Ckillor is the real Scum. Now he's just whining about how he 'messed up'. :roll:

And RandomActs, kindly shut up and leave. Mmkay?
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:52 am

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Not necessarily.... not if the 4th scum can't make night kills.

And... why do you want RA to shut up? I'd prefer he talk and maybe give us a clue what to do here.

I'm really torn. Draux if you're scum, you did a really good job acting townie d1. We almost lynched you to be the transporter.

We only have a couple days. Can we get a few more peoples' insight into whether Draux or ckillor is the scum?
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:54 am

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Setael, you saw how 'helpful' Kabenon was when after we Lynched him. Do you seriously think RandomActs would be anymore helpful?
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:28 pm

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Draux wrote:Setael, you saw how 'helpful' Kabenon was when after we Lynched him. Do you seriously think RandomActs would be anymore helpful?
People can mess up...
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:48 pm

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RandomActs wrote:
Setael wrote:Also, we may need some prods on ghosts in order to get 6 votes. Can you please prod anyone who hasn't posted yet since daybreak who is still able to vote? Thanks!
Ha! You want to prod me to vote?? Wouldn't that make it deliciously simple for you! No, I'll just haunt you for awhile, the nightmare lurking in the dark.
Hey, feel free to haunt us if that makes you feel better about yourself, mr. Scumghost. But please have some decency and don't spam the thread like Kabernon did, Ok?

BTW, I'll start the Ckillor x Draux reread now.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:25 pm

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Okay. I did a reread of Ckillor's posts, Draux's posts, Kabernon's posts, and Random Act's posts, trying to look for signs of scummyness and townieness. I have the detailed post analysis in notes, but right now I'll just post a summary of the post analysis - so that other players can be less biased when commenting/doing their own.

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Ckillor/Draux Analysis on the game:


*** Stage 1 - Day one, up to the roleclaim:

Both Ckillor and Draux seem to be concerned about the health of the spiritualist with weak breadcrumbs. But Ckillor does that before the mass roleclaim, and Draux does that after the mass roleclaim.

Ckillor seems lost during this part regarding the rules. Draux starts right of the bat discussing town strategy, but he also discuss scum strategy regarding roleclaims in his first few posts.

Ckillor is one of the first to claim, before the roleclaims. Draux is the last to claim, seems to be away while everyone roleclaims - expresses surprise that two scum decided to counterclaim, and says that that is a bad move for scum.

*** Stage 2 - Lynching the Fake Cop:

Ckillor does not show a lot of suspicion on anyone until Kabenon is about to get lynched. Then he suspects Kabenon. The timing is very scummy - but the reason is legit - Kabenon asking who he should investigate.

Draux puts Kabenon at Lynch -1, says he is "67% sure" that Kabenon is the real cop, but never gives reasons for his suspicions of Killroy, and never really participates in the discussion before that vote.

*** Stage 3 - After the real cop is dead/Before I replace:

Draux: Says that he wants to lynch the real doc, but does not position himself on who he thinks the real doc is. On post 31 drops a breadcrumb (Channeller, please don't claim) which seems a little out of place to me.

Ckillor: Also wants to kill the real doc. Thinks RA is the real doc. Scumhunts a little saying that D_O may be the third scum. Post 42 is very good - cares about the game. Post 32 is interesting, he uses "town channeler", instead of spiritualist.

*** Stage 4 - After I enter the game:

Ckillor: Post 48 - is confused at why people are going after an unconfirmed when we have a confirmed scum/doc between me and RA. Leaves vote on RA during discussions (I'm not sure if he left the vote there because he thought RA was true doc or fake doc, though).

Draux: Post 38 - concurs that D_O is the scummiest player, but says that is not confortable with the speed of the bandwagon. A little overreactive, and not really combating the bandwagon. When setael unvotes, Draux reminds about the Autolynch in the thread, before the mod pipes in.

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Kabernon and Random Acts Analysis


Kabernon hugged Spambot saying he was the true doc, and said that RA was the fakedoc, so I was interested in his reactions regarding Draux and Ckillor.
-- He mentions ckillor three times in his posts before going batshit insane, but never accuses or defends him.
-- He mentions Draux once by passing, and once normally before going insane

After Kabernon is lynched and goes Spammy:
-- He has a small discussion with ckillor, trying to confuse him regarding his role. Ckillor for a moment seems to doubt himself, considering that Kabernon may be telling the truth.
-- Draux says off the bad that whatever kabernon says is false in the beginning of the day. By the end of the day, Kabernon accuses Draux of being his scumbuddy.

Random Acts:
-- Random Acts seems to never mention Ckillor
-- Random acts, in his post number 6, says that "Y, Draux and Night Light are townish looking" during the who-to-lynch-first discussion.

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Okay. After the re-read, I think it is more likely that Ckillor is the true Town Channeler. I'm not really sure, and would really appreciate input from the others.

Since no one is voting Draux yet,
Vote: Draux


I'd like to ask Draux and Ckillor to keep their votes firmly planted on each other, and for the town not to put the lynch -1 vote lightly, because Random Acts could just hammer if we choose wrongly. But please, try to position yourselves before friday.

We have the whole week to make this decision. Group endgame - yay! :-)
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