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↑ grapes wrote:I've been kinda thinking about Firebringers claim. If we're assuming dave was blocked by scum, then a town roleblocker seems hella inelegant.

Even if Dav is scum, I am inclined to agree with another RB being odd.

We have 1 RB/BG kind of role
Myself as a doc/BP distributor
and then FB as RB.

None of these powers work to the dayvig, so we can take that out of the discussion right now.

That would leave at least 3 roles against a Vig and/or Mafia.

Thought edit - Although, the role were the powers are removed for the day could easily balance this out.

@FB - Can you confirm fully your role?

btw Dav who is your flavour char?

Double voter?

can we get Dav off L-2 and then purge Fire

A Simple Plan (6): Davsto, Xtoxm, randomidget, Vedith, grapes, Knuckles

Guessing at least one scum here.

↑ Davsto wrote:I'm okay with an ASP lynch early on, he's basically a huge lurker from what I've seen and I'd rather get that out of the way sooner than at LYLO and fuck up everything. Probably a good idea for a compromise lynch if we haven't decided on scum by the end of the day.

So dave's vote... I have an issue with this. Dave is a VIG, who can KILL LURKERS and that's actually one of the better functions of a vig early. Him wanting to waste a lynch on a lurker is concerning, to say the least. Says nothing more about it anywhere, no real reasoning.

Xtoxm largely settled on ASP after Starbuck treestumped.

↑ Randomnamechange wrote:

Xtoxm wrote:No one should be not voting at this point.

You're goddamn right.
VOTE: A simple plan
Quick request: try to lynch me rather than vig me. If you try and lynch me I can prove my claim to be true.

This is lurking scum.


I don't know Vedith's reason. He stated early in the thread ASP's inactivity was a null tell but still ended up voting after Startbucks stumped.

↑ Knuckles wrote:Eh. Actually, I probably have too many townreads, will hammer unless ASP decides to answer my question soonish.

I don't think Kunkles is scum but damn... He was reading ASP as town all day and just decided to vote.

Grapes doesn't ever express fully. States Starbucks has some resistance, hops votes. Stumps, hops right back. I could see this as possible scum.

If there's some reason Davesto isn't scum, it's grapes and random.

↑ grapes wrote:Explain what's town about being reluctant to engage up until you've got a wagon on you - tossing out a readslist with like 50 null reads and throwing up a shitton of AtE?

This is why I don't like this new "we must list our reads" schtick and why I was reluctant to share. I knew it was going to get used against me on (1) the sheer fact that this is my first game back on site after 2 years and (2) I don't know any of this player list save for half of one of the hydras. So yeah, it's going to take me a bit to feel things back out. Hence, a ton of null reads.

I don't know where I was reluctant to engage?

Also, what AtE?

That is not a normal lynch wagon. We were faced with ASP lynch vs no lynch. Vedith's role requires him to be on the lynch wagon. Making assumptions about "scum have to be on the wagon" is not a good path to go down.

So then we take Random who never tried any other vote but this one and honestly wouldn't have been around to care no-lynch or not.

↑ Xtoxm wrote:btw Dav who is your flavour char?

I believed I mentioned it earlier, but Samus Aran.

If he was scum, it would have been really easy for him to lurk the day out and leave us more likely to falter to a no lynch, or simply manipulate the VCA. We were sub 24h til deadline. No lynches benefit scum and when flash wagons pop up like that - even with the target having been town - each participant is individually more likely to be town due to the inherently pro-town intent behind avoiding a no lynch.

All this to say, ignore the VCA and scumhunt normally please.

Anyway, rn i'm really concerned about Fire and his bonus vote ability, of all the roles that should have been participating in yesterdays massclaim, if town, that ability is about top of the list and with the dayvig. So it's really concerning that Pepto kept it hidden, and like I said before, town has all these killing roles, probably because scum have a lylo accelerator we need to find.

So I needed to go back and work out the conclusion that every has come to.


At the end of Day 1, dongempire said...

↑ Donempire wrote:Did he got hammered?

Did we just fucking hammered ASP?

Alright, cop/someone check vedith please. There is a huge chance he will flip scum.

I think being a lightining rod in a game with a supposed vigilante will be hard, but meh.

Whoever he targeted, he prevents their actions, but also redirected any actions to that person onto himself.

Davsto says he targeted Vedith, which means that if he did target Vedith, then dongempire died in his place since Vedith is saying that he didn't have a BP to target himself.

Vedith says that he healed Xtoxm, instead of giving a vest. Further explanation in #539. We don't know if that action went through because there's not usually confirmation of receipt.

So correct me if I'm wrong, I needed to see the info all together for some better comprehension, the thought is that Knuckles was redirected to kill dong, which could mean that dong targeted someone that he felt was likely to be town and protected them, he targeted Dav and stopped his shot all together, or Dav was RB'd by Pepto/Fire?

↑ Firebringer wrote:So haven't read everything but I gather Xtoxm and Davsto are town.
Vedith likely BP town, but have to ISO him a little more.

What brought you to these conclusions?

I'm interested to see your input once you read through and are fully caught up.

I was RBed by someone, apparently. Someone (can't remember who) said that Dong targeted Knuckles, iirc.

↑ Starbuck wrote:he targeted Dav and stopped his shot all together

Pretty anti town to RB a Vig if they are your highest town read, if you ask me.

Agreed. I was just trying to make sure that I followed all that happened in the last few pages, as it was kind of all over the place.

Fire needs to input immediately.

↑ wgeurts wrote:

VC 1.04

Knuckles (4):

Sound of Silence, Xtoxm, Vedith, Noseferatu

Xtoxm (3):

Aj The Epic, Starbuck, A Simple Plan

A Simple Plan (2):

Peptobislawl, grapes

Sound of Silence (1):

randomidget

Not Voting:

Knuckles, Dongempire, Davsto

With 13 votes, 7 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-10-10 04:24:57)

So this was Pept voting, no double vote.
I'm not sure why FB would activate it if it is an activation phase. He either gained it over night or it's on even days.

Yeah FB really needs to explain further - Did you know about it?

I used AB ability last night to make myself a double voter.
Phone posting wll post my full role later.

So why did you not advise at the time? It was pretty obvious that we would notice...

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