Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[notachipmunk]

^ that face is pretty much my reaction to everything right now...from that other guy to cobalt to Drixx
I can't even

[Drixx]

I know it's completely crazy. I always note the game number if I get something that's not vanilla, and I wrote 1-shot BP for Newbie 1686 by mistake (that game is now over). So when the question arose during the day phase yesterday, it slipped my mind. It wasn't until I won 1686 and went to close out my notes for that game that I saw I had noted 1-shot BP there ... but I was a mafia goon in 1686 and that obviously couldn't be correct, so I went and looked and sure enough ... I'm the missing 1-shot BP.

I'm super duper embarrassed. I've never mixed up my notes or had any issue with keeping games separate. FrogSC2 is probably blowing his top in the dead thread ripping me to shreds right now.

[notachipmunk]

I'm gonna try to process thoughts right now, and will think it through later too. So Drixx, if you are bulletproof and Rufus is JK (which is pretty much a given atm...the if is on you) then there is a roleblocker which means kage isn't a clear and you are? Whereas otherwise kage is confirmed town right now. So you are switching yourself into that spot kinda.
It's weird that you forgot so I'm confused on whether to believe it.
I assume if there's no bulletproof which is what we all were assuming that it would be safe to claim bulletbroof nowish because no one could also claim since there would be 6 VTs. So the timing is weird. Like after all the times Frog asked for a claim and no one did, either meant someone wasn't claiming, which I thought was possible bc I wasn't sure if claiming Bulletproof was a good thing as town, or that there wasn't one, which seemed more likely. I'm gonna have to read through everything again =p

[notachipmunk]

I know it's completely crazy. I always note the game number if I get something that's not vanilla, and I wrote 1-shot BP for Newbie 1686 by mistake (that game is now over). So when the question arose during the day phase yesterday, it slipped my mind. It wasn't until I won 1686 and went to close out my notes for that game that I saw I had noted 1-shot BP there ... but I was a mafia goon in 1686 and that obviously couldn't be correct, so I went and looked and sure enough ... I'm the missing 1-shot BP.

I'm super duper embarrassed. I've never mixed up my notes or had any issue with keeping games separate. FrogSC2 is probably blowing his top in the dead thread ripping me to shreds right now.

I read through that game actually (I assume it's safe to talk about it since it's over now since you just did yes?)
It's funny bc you claimed bulletproof in that game too! I assume that was an intentional fake though?

[kagesong]

I think this is very obvious Drixx is claiming BP right now because it would this app keeps me from being clear and clear him and make sure that he was as low as possible in the voting order

[Rufus Delorian]

Just try to pass it off as a teaching thing...this is what

not

to do newbies, take note.

Claiming 1-shot would be a sneaky thing for the regular goon to do, I imagine Drixx could be very sneaky. It's the only way to derail the plan and no-one can counterclaim, either he is the 1-shot or there isn't one and he knows it. Though if he was a regular goon, I expect he would have killed me and probably not have killed his own partner on D1...and his partner wouldn't have jumped on an imaginary Drixx wagon, so I'm going to believe the claim.

Reubus went straight for Literallypam too, he could have switched suspicion to me pretty easily D1 without seeming dodgy if he wanted to save his partner so I think he's probably town too.

So I reckon we lynch Kagesong and Notachipmunk in that order.

[notachipmunk]

Just try to pass it off as a teaching thing...this is what

not

to do newbies, take note.

Claiming 1-shot would be a sneaky thing for the regular goon to do, I imagine Drixx could be very sneaky. It's the only way to derail the plan and no-one can counterclaim, either he is the 1-shot or there isn't one and he knows it. Though if he was a regular goon, I expect he would have killed me and probably not have killed his own partner on D1...and his partner wouldn't have jumped on an imaginary Drixx wagon, so I'm going to believe the claim.

That is actually what he just did in the game he was in that ended. Different situation though of course, just not quite as trusting of it as you are is all

[Rufus Delorian]

He killed his partner on D1? What are the odds of it happening twice in two sequential games though?

I jail Drixx tonight, if there's a Roleblocker, it won't matter coz I can't jail anyone. If there's not, there'll be no NK. We can use the same logic as before, if the Roleblocker is choosing not to do a NK to frame Drixx, we're still one NK up and if we lynch Drixx tomorrow after no NK and he shows up bulletproof, we'll know there's a Roleblocker.

...crap, just did maths, I think the scum withholding a NK to frame Drixx would win them the game if we went for it so my jailing Drixx is a bad thing to rely on.

[notachipmunk]

He killed his partner on D1? What are the odds of it happening twice in two sequential games though?

Of claiming BP as scum? Idk =p But chances of being scum 2 games in a row should be kinda random, especially if we have the same setup. The strat worked well that time, though he had his scumbuddy with him the whole time there. I guess ultimately it's just another scenario. I won't base whether I trust him or not based just off of that, just kinda strange that it happened there too is all. But who knows!

[Rufus Delorian]

His explanation does sound believable though. Also, I really think an IC would be doing a pretty bad job introducing newbies to the game if he got on a scum team with literallypam and immediately screwed them over.

I think Kagesong was acting kinda erratically at the end of D2: self voting when it was clear someone else was getting lynched, arguing how we were stupid for only seeing things one way (only Drixx & the scum should have known there was another way) and seeming to get pretty worked up at Frog.

Then Frog gets NKd...clearly it could be someone else trying to frame Kagesong by NKing the person Kagesong was arguing with but then Kagesong's been WIFOMy all game so it's exactly what he would do if he was scum.

VOTE: Kagesong

It's going to be Drixx now isn't it?

[Drixx]

It's simply a co-incidence that I claimed BP in that game. I pointed you to a flawless scum win because it simply happened that I got assigned two consecutive games and I simply put the 1-shot BP note in the wrong game notes. It's as simple as that. The replacements that showed up on day 1 gave me plenty of opportunity to swap away from literallypam, if I was scum. Why would I insist on that lynch when given multiple chances, and even drawing some heat and scum read from FrogSC2, when I could easily have gone elsewhere and never drawn a whiff of suspicion for it?

Co-incidence isn't correlation or causation.

[notachipmunk]

@Rufus - I get that it doesn't mean he is straight up lying or anything, but the reasoning of it wouldn't set a good example to newbies is silly - since it means automatically the IC has to play a certain way which automatically skews the gameplay - I think it was on day 1 where I said something a little silly where responded Drixx saying 'It therefore follows you should not treat me any differently than another player just because I'm the IC." But anyway that's not super relevant to this. I just kinda don't agree entirely with your reasoning.

@Drix - It's really just the timing that's weird to me. If you claimed when Frog was all over it or pretty much anytime else I guess it wouldn't make me suspicious. It very well may all be coincidence. I'm just still thinking over it...and ofc not forgetting that there are other people to analyze too =p

[kagesong]

His explanation does sound believable though. Also, I really think an IC would be doing a pretty bad job introducing newbies to the game if he got on a scum team with literallypam and immediately screwed them over.

I think Kagesong was acting kinda erratically at the end of D2: self voting when it was clear someone else was getting lynched, arguing how we were stupid for only seeing things one way (only Drixx & the scum should have known there was another way) and seeming to get pretty worked up at Frog.

Then Frog gets NKd...clearly it could be someone else trying to frame Kagesong by NKing the person Kagesong was arguing with but then Kagesong's been WIFOMy all game so it's exactly what he would do if he was scum.

VOTE: Kagesong

It's going to be Drixx now isn't it?

Well, on the one hand, I'm glad you're able to see the exact logic I was going to state. On the other hand, I feel like my logic has been disregarded this entire time. Yes, I was wrong about Frog, BUT, I was right that Phantom was being framed. Whoever IS scum, is doing a great job of misdirection. But, I'm not sure what else to offer. Take the logic you present for me, add it to the suspiciously late claim, and I don't care what happened D1, it's suspicious as hell. However, I don't know what to follow beyond that, as no one seems to even attempt to think about my logic, simply claiming that this is all WIFOM, when it's pretty straightforward. So, I'm afraid all I can do is sit back.

[Drixx]

You all realize I could have just "confessed" I was the 1-shot and said I hoped that I would draw night fire since the scum must know I exist, instead of telling you the truth that I mixed up games and literally didn't realize until Phantom was lynched and the thread was locked, right? If I were scum and this was a fake claim, it would not be "Oops I forgot" but "Damn ... I wish I had successfully drawn fire" and it probably wouldn't have happened today right at the day start.

Look at day one and tell me why I would have been the architect of my partner's demise when given every opportunity to go get a mislynch somewhere instead, if I were scum.

This isn't even difficult at all. I would have to be holding the most gigantic idiot ball ever made to be scum and have acted as I have.

VOTE: notachipmunk

[kagesong]

You all realize I could have just "confessed" I was the 1-shot and said I hoped that I would draw night fire since the scum must know I exist, instead of telling you the truth that I mixed up games and literally didn't realize until Phantom was lynched and the thread was locked, right? If I were scum and this was a fake claim, it would not be "Oops I forgot" but "Damn ... I wish I had successfully drawn fire" and it probably wouldn't have happened today right at the day start.

Look at day one and tell me why I would have been the architect of my partner's demise when given every opportunity to go get a mislynch somewhere instead, if I were scum.

This isn't even difficult at all. I would have to be holding the most gigantic idiot ball ever made to be scum and have acted as I have.

VOTE: notachipmunk

Then I should be your logical vote. Apparently.

[Drixx]

I don't necessarily agree that you are the culprit here. Just because I screwed up and you

aren't

cleared doesn't mean you are scum. If you were the roleblocker, I would expect our jailkeeper to be dead. Why isn't he?

[kagesong]

I don't necessarily agree that you are the culprit here. Just because I screwed up and you

aren't

cleared doesn't mean you are scum. If you were the roleblocker, I would expect our jailkeeper to be dead. Why isn't he?

I'm just quoting me=scum as an apparently common logic for people. I don't have any answers.

[Drixx]

Apathy and inactivity will lead to a town loss here guys. Let's get some discussion going. There's certainly plenty to discuss.

[notachipmunk]

I wanna see what Reubus thinks atm, he is usually quite talkative...well not like Frogleveltalkative but still up there.

Soooo here's something: Drixx why the vote on me I am curious?

[Rufus Delorian]

Well I guess, before he turns up...does anyone think Reubus seems scummy so far?

I'm curious about the Notachipmunk vote too, looking back at her ISO, she's only voted 4 times and 2 of them were for Literallypam, one of them putting Pam at L-1 before being convinced to unvote by Frog then revoting again...same reasoning I've used to kinda clear Drixx and Reubus.

Balls, looking back at Kagesong's ISO, I'm less convinced than I was before, although...bit of an odd thing to notice, post 26, Kagesong asks about if anyone saw Literallypam's name as Literallyspam...Pam hadn't posted yet at that point...the name was obviously on the player list so that could be it, or it could be that he had the name in his head because he was part of the scum team.

Some opinions of likely scummyness would be good from Kagesong and Notachipmunk, especially if there's good reasons to think Drixx or Reubus are scum.

[notachipmunk]

I'm gonna try sorting out things that I can connect on town/not so town things that have happened for each remaining person from my POV. These aren't really in any order yet as much as it is my working through what I think.+ If anything seems logically off or straight up wrong by all means respond to this:

Rufus: If it wasn't legit confirmed that you are town I would have been suspicious of the pam not-vote, and general pam support, and so far incorrect reads on the 2 lynches - but it's pretty much absurd to think you're not jailor right now, so nothing much to say I guess =p

Reubus: It looks like you were technically first on the pam train so that is plus, you were very pushy D1, so probably not afraid to put attention on yourself. D2 I was initially not too concerned by your vote on Rufus bc I was not super trusting of Frog and he was the one saying Rufus is the JK- though I suppose now that we know he is town I can take some of what he said as genuine. Also I was not too sure on how claiming works so I wasn't too suspicious of you doing that, as I was ready to vote for him too that day had it not been for pretty extensive explanations on why it is highly unlikely he is not town. Voted for Phantom - ehh Phantom had it coming, that was total weaksauce on his end for town. I feel like I need to reread more =p

Drixx: My view on you after D1 was pretty positive due to the pam flip scum. Though it looks like yes Reubus was technically first lol (fight it out!) Though by that logic I was a mid-vote on pam and you were on it sooner than just about everyone else but Reubus. D2 I don't remember anything that would have swayed me either way. I think that is the day you and Frog were at odds a bit. The weirdest thing is the BP claim. I could be pushing into something that is legit, but I am not ready to just let it go as it opens up how I can reread your posts from another POV and see if it makes sense as you being scummy. That requires believing that you would vote for your scum partner on D1 and probably having a lottt planned out for it to work and I still need to look through it. Anyway, the one other thing that could even be considered weird is hammering Phantom super early on D2. Honestly I would have probably voted him in one of the following days if nothing changed but not that early. Also Frog said he would have a FOS on anyone who hammered if PC wasn't the last wolf. And Frog isn't here to question you on it so that's a thing. But PC was scummy so it can be argued to be a worthwhile risk.

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

[Reubus Swagrid]

Catching up shortly

[Reubus Swagrid]

I have a huge apology to make to my fellow town. I am 1-shot bulletproof. I simply forgot. It has never happened before in a game. It makes a huge change in how to evaluate things; however, it gives us two conftown.

There's an upside though. The roleblocker knew there was a 1-shot BP and left Rufus alive. Our lynch pool is {Kagesong, notachipmunk, Reubus}. We'll get to lynch two of them... so let's work the problem.

Rufus: I'd like your thoughts on each of those three.

This post triggers me so hard

[Reubus Swagrid]

Just noting the only person who isn't confirmed town on the Phantom lynch is Drixx

[Reubus Swagrid]

We kinda already pursued the Frog = Scum line of thinking. Without a Bulletproof Townie, it doesn't work out.

Reubus did the Rufus = Scum line of thinking but without any other power role claim, it doesn't work out.

We're currently on PhantomCobalt = Scum with a hint of Kagesong = scum in the mix.

Drixx, Reubus & Notachipmunk haven't had much suspicion pointed at them but they all voted on a scum lynch D1, if you can think of any reason to suspect one of them more than PhantomCobalt...we've got time I guess.

Personally I'd rather string up PhantomCobalt and be done with it.


Also, I read 'That other guy' as Kagesong.

For everyone who mentioned me as a no show. I had a personal emergency, which included my laptop getting stolen and hours with cops. I honestly thought it was still monday. IF THE MOD WILL HONOR IT my official vote is VOTE: literallypam

If not, I apologize for my absence and hope you all understand.

SO PLEASE QUIT EXCLUDING ME FROM THE PAM VOTE.

So late tho. Legit the credibility this late a vote gives is next to nothing